Reconciling Disappointment, Part 1
Author's note: The following marks the first in a ten part series, seeking to recap the 2011 season on a position-by-position basis, while asking where the 12 win decrease from 2010 to 2011 came from. Hard-hitting analysis will be noticeably absent, on account of me being the author. Quick-and-dirty fluff will be the medium, with an eye towards high-level projections for the coming year. If you remember a similar series last year, you have a good memory, and I ask that you not ruin the illusion of my creativity in the comments. "What a fresh idea," you'll write. Thanks in advance. Also, last year I wrote up each position as though it were an investment option, with buy/hold/sell advice. Hopefully you also took my advice to sell that literary gimmick; this year I'm imagining each position as a particular industry. You'll probably want to sell on this one, too. Position groups will be presented from least to most culpable.
Position: Second Base
2011 Innings breakdown: Brandon Phillips - 90%
Miguel Cairo - 5%
Paul Janish - 3%
Todd Frazier - 1%
Edgar Renteria - 0%
Chris Valaika - 0%
2011 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):
|
AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
SB |
CS |
BB |
SO |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
|
588 |
89 |
174 |
35 |
2 |
17 |
78 |
13 |
8 |
42 |
83 |
.295 |
.348 |
.449 |
.797 |
|
BABIP |
Contact Rate |
Walk Rate |
Batting Eye |
SBO |
RC/G |
|
.321 |
85.9% |
6.5% |
0.51 |
13.2% |
5.09 |
2011 Composite NL average second baseman batting line (over 650 PA):
|
AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
SB |
CS |
BB |
SO |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
|
585 |
72 |
151 |
28 |
4 |
12 |
59 |
10 |
4 |
47 |
105 |
.258 |
.319 |
.380 |
.699 |
|
BABIP |
Contact Rate |
Walk Rate |
Batting Eye |
SBO |
RC/G |
|
.297 |
82.0% |
7.2% |
0.44 |
9.4% |
3.97 |
2012 Contract status:
Phillips - team option for 2012
Cairo - signed through 2012
Janish - arbitration eligible (1st arb year)
Frazier - not yet arbitration eligible
Renteria - free agent
Valaika - not yet arbitration eligible
Advanced minor league depth:
Henry Rodriguez - age 21, 841 OPS at A+, AA
Cody Puckett - age 24, 780 OPS at AA
Kris Negron - age 25, 607 OPS at AAA
Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: +1
Brief summary of 2011: Phillips, coming into the year, was noted for his remarkable consistency. I, in fact, wrote a piece exploring that very phenomenon in a different venue last off-season, ultimately concluding that players like Phillips (i.e. having a similar track record) can maintain the consistency for 4-5 seasons, but then drop off precipitously. Instead, of course, Phillips threw down a career year, just in time for the team to evaluate a $12M contract option. Warning signs abound, however. Falling levels of power and speed indices were offset by a sharp increase in BABIP. From at least one quantitative vantage point, the defense began to slip as well.
Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: At some point, a person just needs to accept the role of being the bad guy and bring the heat. If 2012 isn't a relative disaster for Phillips, then 2013 will be. Since all signs seem to point to the Reds not only picking up Phillips's option year, but offering an extension as well, things could get ugly, quickly. I see a decidedly non-zero chance that Phillips never posts a slugging percentage over .400 again. With the strong 2011 Phillips had, there's quite some distance to go before he truly becomes a "bad" player, but the cost-benefit analysis of a longish contract extension would appear to be unfavorable. Can Alonso play second?
Comparable industry: The fast food giants are neither great cuisine nor staples of a healthy lifestyle. Take them away, however, and we'd certainly feel the loss of an enjoyable guilty pleasure. They don't do everything well, but the Cokes and fries can make up for a lot. As a centerpiece of your life, you'd be well served to bump up your life insurance coverage. As a low-priority complement...the chains have their place, even if you have the gnawing feeling that all that salt and fat will eventually catch up with you anyway.
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I can see a small dropoff from Phillips.
But, I don’t think he is going to get his extention. He’ll play his butt off since it is a contract year.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
so fresh and so clean clean
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
unRavenRiley'd
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
So not Raven
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hope y'all enjoy the series. HOWEVA...
I had a different offseason series planned. It would have involved Pops Daniels, and therefore it probably would have involved profanity, and -more importantly- it would have been epic. It was torpedoed by copyright concens. I sincerely hope that the people protected by copyright who were neither financially nor reputationally threatened by our proposed actions sleep well tonight. And that’s all I’m going to say about that.
Write your congressperson today!
by riverfront76 on Nov 17, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
UNPLANNED STRIKETHROUGH
THEY’RE ON TO ME!!!
by riverfront76 on Nov 17, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
*Shifts eyes uneasily from left to right*
Where are the bastards? Down with censorship!
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Lord.
That would’ve been fantastic.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
that makes two of us
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
The BP BABIP boost was driven by a a high line drive rate
Just about 20%, compared to 15 and 16 in recent prior years. There are certainly problems with batted ball classification, so this is all with a grain of salt. But BP swung at more pitches this year, particularly in the zone, and made more contact on his zone swings. He also hit fastballs much better.
Even though his walk and K rates were about the same as prior seasons, he might have become a different hitter this year. To my eyes, he made far fewer uppercut swings (at least until September). Definitely something to keep an eye on, moving forward.
I think we also have to remember that we saw all this happen when he was put in the leadoff spot.
I think he sees more fastballs in that spot, but I’m not doing the research to back that up.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I thought about that, but he led off in 2010 more often and didn't do so well
Then again, he also was playing when he shouldn’t have after the HBP on his hand.
That is what I was chalking 2010 up to.
He should have been put on the shelf after being hit with that pitch. I think his OPS was like .300 during the injury.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
You sound like Herman Cain
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Is Herman Cain's wife's first name Hiswoman?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I get so confused when you two talk to each other!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Nov 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Us two who?
There’s only one of me.
by BigBadBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
you should photoshop Ron Swanson's face on Jay Bruce's body
to complete the effect
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Crum-Bum Beat
by -ManBearPig on Nov 17, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I had to vote "way worse" and I hate myself for it
I don’t think El BeePerino is going to fall apart as quickly as rf76 does, but I do think he’s going to be no better than a 3-4 win player next year, which would be a 30-50% decrease from last year. That constitutes “way worse” in my mind.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions
I think that expecting another career year is a bit much. That's why I put down "a little worse".
I think he’s a smarter player who will play within himself. He kind of reminds me, at this point in his career, of a 150 game Rolen. That’s not at all a bad thing.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I think he even realizes he'll probably do a little worse.
Which, is why he wants a contract now. But, even if he is little worse he’ll still get a big contract in FA. He brings so much value to the table, even in an average year, that a team will overpay.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I love BP
I’m a hipster cuz I loved him even before it was cool! Having said that, the BP of 2-3 years from now is honestly not a player I really want on my team for any significant amount of money. I feel like the decline will be harsh. I hope it’s not true (unless he goes to the Cardinals).
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I hope he doesn't get a huge extension
Teh Fay seemed to think the Reds were willing to give him 4 years. IMO, that’s too many. Though I can see why they’d be tempted, since there’s not much in Louisville.
I think the Reds need to stick to the “don’t sign a middle infielder past age 32” rule.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
3 year deal or bust.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this play
I’d love for BP to stick around but there’s no way he’s going to give a decent discount (on money or years) to do so. He needs to do what’s best for him and I wish him all the luck in the world, but I sincerely hope the Reds don’t extend him.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I'd rather they not spend money on a mega BP contract
And use that money instead to try for a Votto extension, and go with a Henry Rodriguez/ Ronald Torreyes type at second in the future.
And if Votto still declines, then use all that money set aside for a nice pizza party for the rest of the team.
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
BigBadBabyBruce...?!
My internet mind is going to explode.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know... sometimes i read stuff and think i posted it.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
StrongBadBruce?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Oh my goodness, a Strongbad reference?
I feel like I’m in college again.
by the finest muffins on Nov 17, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
"Since Nov 02, 2011"
And they say patience is a lost quality among today’s youth.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was here first!
- kicks the dog in anger*
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Look out y'all, he's serious enough about this to use bullet points
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know how it happend, but is beautiful.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
and asterisks!
That bullet point must’ve used steroids
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
a performance enhanced bullet point!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
you know why bullet points are good to use?
- they make things seem important.
(i really hope that worked.)
i once did a powerpoint presentation that parodied powerpoint presentations. and this example was one of my slides that i needed to have that used bullet points. it was awesome.
you really want to mess with people?
reverse the typical tree structure and instead of indenting sub points, outdent them
I did that with a deck last week, and about 3 minutes in someone on the conference line said “is there something wrong with the file? your bullet points are backwards”
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
learn from Arroyo!
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Nov 17, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I just really feel like they are going to sign BP to an extension,
which will mean they can’t afford Votto, they’ll do their best to compete the next 2 years with Votto, then let him walk for who knows what (I don’t think the CBA is going to include the same type/number of draft picks), and we’re going to be stuck with an aging BP and no Votto.
/emo’Creds
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Jocketty did say that they will try to extend Votto past his contract.
It was reported a couple days ago when Jocketty blew up over trade rumors.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
They haven't failed yet.
If the deal is really 9 years and $230+ it could happen.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's definitely not the deal.
I’d bet a lot that it’s under $200 million. That’s what’s been reported, anyway.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
it's been reported that the actual offer was well under 200 million
from buster olney’s twitter account
If the Marlins’ offer for Albert Pujols was well below $200m, and below STL’s offer of $21-22m a year, then yes, it was all about PR.
You guys are right. I thought I read it was north of 225.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I know. But they are going to sign BP, then the normal budget constraints are going to guarantee they can't also sign Votto
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I don't like it.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
They're not going to re-sign Votto anyways
because they’re not going to commit $160M+ to a single player, which is the right move.
You're probably right
I’d just like to believe they could do it if they wanted to, and it rubs me the wrong way that they are going to overpay BP but aren’t willing to do so for Votto.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I'd rather them not overpay for either of them.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
You should be a fan of the Rays, then.
They seem to be the only team in the entire league that doesn’t overpay for someone, at some point.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
It ended up they didn't have to pay him much.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Woah, I totally forgot he was on that team for a minute
But like BBB said, even that didn’t bite them.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
But, the Reds!
They’re my favorite team!
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think they overpaid
for Josh Hamilton.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't think the Reds are foolish enough to try to get a BP deal done without talking to Votto's agent.
It’s not like they don’t know if/when Votto’s contract expires.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
You should disagree with me so we can "ruin" this thread for HLM
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I bet you have a really strong back, carrying that cross around with you everywhere you go
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Nah, I just like giving him shit
Trolling people on here is clearly acceptable, I’m just trying to fit in!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I like that too
but I still miss daedalus
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
he is pretty ugly
I’m fairly confident the only way he’ll get tang is due to him having money and being a pro athlete
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
it's gonna take him a lot of money, though....
dude is that ugly
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
nope, that's me!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
you rang?
I was alluding to thevole on Twitter yesterday that the Reds don’t need BP and need to speed that “earmarked” BP money on Votto for a long term contract
but I had to stop tweeting b/c I figured tweeting and driving is probably worse than texting and driving, and then got tied up at work
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if BP could still slug 400
Granted, a lot of this year’s SLG was from that period where his boomstick was swatting homers left and right, but I doubt a guy who hit that many doubles and homers would suddenly drop below .400 like that.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Nov 17, 2011 11:36 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I think he will always slug .400
If for no other reason than to make sure that he does, even if it’s to the detriment of his avg/obp.
He’ll start uppercutting if need be.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
It really is a chasm between the NL's Best 2B in 2011
and anyone else I can imagine the Reds signing or having in the system in 2013.
Almost the only thing you could reasonably be upset with in BP’s 2011 was his continued Grade F base-stealing (60.8% success). That might even get worse as he ages and if he continues to hit lead-off.
So given the mutual interest, I think the extension is a foregone conclusion and will be longer than we all would like. But I don’t think it will hamstring payroll as much as it will make things that were impossible anyway a little more impossible. BP should be good value for the next two seasons, getting paid maybe only slightly more than he is now. And you can hope having everyone in place for the next two years will lead to success that will cause a payroll bump for a few years after that.
Or, you know, just defer some more millions until a time in which US currency is worthless.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
I think one reason they might extend him is because it might give the Reds more payroll flexibility this year.
Deferred money is a real possibility, and even if they don’t defer the money it doesn’t mean he could end up making less than $12,000,000 this year in return for a longer contract.
It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
sheesh
the 2018 Reds already have a payroll of $35 million, and their first round draft pick is still sticking gum under the desks in Mrs. Welch’s Algebra classroom.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they probably shouldn't be deferring anymore contracts.
But, that doesn’t mean they won’t.
It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
also Walt may not be a GM for many more years so he may be less worried about the distant future.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
I bet you're a republican
Interest rates are low, time to invest in America and the Cincinnati Reds!
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 17, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am pretty sure bigbabybruce is a teabagger.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
Is not...they do a lot I do not agree with.
Maybe in the beginning, but not since they were bastardized by evangelists.
It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter,
we’ll all be using bitcoin by then.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Betting on currency devaluation is the new market inefficiency.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
500k a year for the next century.
Let’s do this thing.
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
teh fay
Has a report from Jocketty. With no real news. He said they had a nice meeting, and made progress, but a deal is not in the offing yet.
Phillips, coming off a Gold Glove and Silver Slugger year, is believed to be seeking a deal somewhere between the five-year, $62 million pact the Atlanta Braves signed Dan Uggla to and the four-year, $38.5 million deal Milwaukee signed Rickie Weeks to. Both of those deals were reached last off season.
Jocketty said the Reds have met with several other teams to discuss possible trades, but didn’t name any names.
He also said END is shook up at the armed robbery, but fine otherwise. And that there has never been an incident in the DR before.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The only incident in the history of the Dominican Republic!
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
by andromache on Nov 17, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I would be OK with 4 years $36 million
He is older than Weeks after all…
Not buying it? Man I don’t want to see what BP looks like in 4 years. 3/32 Would be OK with me. I just really don’t want an albatross.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I can think of one albatross I'd really like:

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have no idea what this story has to do with the girl who lost her virginity to me.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Nov 17, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Wow, this is a beautiful step out of character for you Yossi
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
awesome
@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 17, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Burton signed with the Twins today
just so ya know – via mlbtraderumors
twitter - MattAnderson19
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Nov 17, 2011 8:02 PM EST reply actions
actually
Burton signed with the Twinkies 4 days ago. Those sluggards at MLB Trade Rumors just didn’t report it.
Phil Dumatrait was also (re-)signed. And of course, they got Matt Maloney off waivers.
Krivsky is the assistant GM there now, so it’s an ex-Reds reunion.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Bowden and Krivsky
they just know which players they like, and refuse to ever EVER give up on them…
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
by kcgard2 on Nov 18, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
off topic question
Is there no way to read fan shots on he sbnation iPhone app? ’creds, feel free to snark back with an “ask Siri” response…you owe me one!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
What you should ask Siri is why anyone would want to read fanshots.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
ha
For instance, I can’t get to the theriot video thread.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 12:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

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