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Reconciling Disappointment, Part 1

Author's note: The following marks the first in a ten part series, seeking to recap the 2011 season on a position-by-position basis, while asking where the 12 win decrease from 2010 to 2011 came from.  Hard-hitting analysis will be noticeably absent, on account of me being the author.  Quick-and-dirty fluff will be the medium, with an eye towards high-level projections for the coming year.  If you remember a similar series last year, you have a good memory, and I ask that you not ruin the illusion of my creativity in the comments.  "What a fresh idea," you'll write.  Thanks in advance.  Also, last year I wrote up each position as though it were an investment option, with buy/hold/sell advice.  Hopefully you also took my advice to sell that literary gimmick; this year I'm imagining each position as a particular industry.  You'll probably want to sell on this one, too.  Position groups will be presented from least to most culpable.

Position: Second Base

2011 Innings breakdown: Brandon Phillips - 90%

                                            Miguel Cairo - 5%

                                            Paul Janish - 3%

                                            Todd Frazier - 1%

                                            Edgar Renteria - 0%

                                            Chris Valaika - 0%

2011 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

588

89

174

35

2

17

78

13

8

42

83

.295

.348

.449

.797

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.321

85.9%

6.5%

0.51

13.2%

5.09

2011 Composite NL average second baseman batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

585

72

151

28

4

12

59

10

4

47

105

.258

.319

.380

.699

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.297

82.0%

7.2%

0.44

9.4%

3.97

2012 Contract status:

Phillips - team option for 2012

Cairo - signed through 2012

Janish - arbitration eligible (1st arb year)

Frazier - not yet arbitration eligible

Renteria - free agent

Valaika - not yet arbitration eligible

Advanced minor league depth:

Henry Rodriguez - age 21, 841 OPS at A+, AA

Cody Puckett - age 24, 780 OPS at AA

Kris Negron - age 25, 607 OPS at AAA

Relative win increase, 2011 vs. 2010: +1

Star-divide

 

Brief summary of 2011: Phillips, coming into the year, was noted for his remarkable consistency.  I, in fact, wrote a piece exploring that very phenomenon in a different venue last off-season, ultimately concluding that players like Phillips (i.e. having a similar track record) can maintain the consistency for 4-5 seasons, but then drop off precipitously.  Instead, of course, Phillips threw down a career year, just in time for the team to evaluate a $12M contract option.   Warning signs abound, however.  Falling levels of power and speed indices were offset by a sharp increase in BABIP.  From at least one quantitative vantage point, the defense began to slip as well.

Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2012: At some point, a person just needs to accept the role of being the bad guy and bring the heat.  If 2012 isn't a relative disaster for Phillips, then 2013 will be.  Since all signs seem to point to the Reds not only picking up Phillips's option year, but offering an extension as well, things could get ugly, quickly.  I see a decidedly non-zero chance that Phillips never posts a slugging percentage over .400 again.  With the strong 2011 Phillips had, there's quite some distance to go before he truly becomes a "bad" player, but the cost-benefit analysis of a longish contract extension would appear to be unfavorable.  Can Alonso play second?

Comparable industry: The fast food giants are neither great cuisine nor staples of a healthy lifestyle.  Take them away, however, and we'd certainly feel the loss of an enjoyable guilty pleasure.  They don't do everything well, but the Cokes and fries can make up for a lot.  As a centerpiece of your life, you'd be well served to bump up your life insurance coverage.  As a low-priority complement...the chains have their place, even if you have the gnawing feeling that all that salt and fat will eventually catch up with you anyway.

Poll
2nd Base in 2012?
Way worse
3 votes
A little worse
93 votes
The same
137 votes
A little better
38 votes
Way better
15 votes

286 votes | Poll has closed

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I can see a small dropoff from Phillips.

But, I don’t think he is going to get his extention. He’ll play his butt off since it is a contract year.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

unRavenRiley'd

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

So not Raven

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Lord.

That would’ve been fantastic.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

idgi

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The BP BABIP boost was driven by a a high line drive rate

Just about 20%, compared to 15 and 16 in recent prior years. There are certainly problems with batted ball classification, so this is all with a grain of salt. But BP swung at more pitches this year, particularly in the zone, and made more contact on his zone swings. He also hit fastballs much better.

Even though his walk and K rates were about the same as prior seasons, he might have become a different hitter this year. To my eyes, he made far fewer uppercut swings (at least until September). Definitely something to keep an eye on, moving forward.

by ken on Nov 17, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

I think we also have to remember that we saw all this happen when he was put in the leadoff spot.

I think he sees more fastballs in that spot, but I’m not doing the research to back that up.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought about that, but he led off in 2010 more often and didn't do so well

Then again, he also was playing when he shouldn’t have after the HBP on his hand.

by ken on Nov 17, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That is what I was chalking 2010 up to.

He should have been put on the shelf after being hit with that pitch. I think his OPS was like .300 during the injury.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I had to vote "way worse" and I hate myself for it

I don’t think El BeePerino is going to fall apart as quickly as rf76 does, but I do think he’s going to be no better than a 3-4 win player next year, which would be a 30-50% decrease from last year. That constitutes “way worse” in my mind.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

I think that expecting another career year is a bit much. That's why I put down "a little worse".

I think he’s a smarter player who will play within himself. He kind of reminds me, at this point in his career, of a 150 game Rolen. That’s not at all a bad thing.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he even realizes he'll probably do a little worse.

Which, is why he wants a contract now. But, even if he is little worse he’ll still get a big contract in FA. He brings so much value to the table, even in an average year, that a team will overpay.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I love BP

I’m a hipster cuz I loved him even before it was cool! Having said that, the BP of 2-3 years from now is honestly not a player I really want on my team for any significant amount of money. I feel like the decline will be harsh. I hope it’s not true (unless he goes to the Cardinals).

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 17, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he doesn't get a huge extension

Teh Fay seemed to think the Reds were willing to give him 4 years. IMO, that’s too many. Though I can see why they’d be tempted, since there’s not much in Louisville.

I think the Reds need to stick to the “don’t sign a middle infielder past age 32” rule.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 17, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

3 year deal or bust.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this play

I’d love for BP to stick around but there’s no way he’s going to give a decent discount (on money or years) to do so. He needs to do what’s best for him and I wish him all the luck in the world, but I sincerely hope the Reds don’t extend him.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather they not spend money on a mega BP contract

And use that money instead to try for a Votto extension, and go with a Henry Rodriguez/ Ronald Torreyes type at second in the future.

And if Votto still declines, then use all that money set aside for a nice pizza party for the rest of the team.

Respect my authoritah!

by BigBadBruce on Nov 17, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

BigBadBabyBruce...?!

My internet mind is going to explode.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hahaha

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

"Since Nov 02, 2011"

And they say patience is a lost quality among today’s youth.

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was here first!
  • kicks the dog in anger*

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Look out y'all, he's serious enough about this to use bullet points

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow

by jch24 on Nov 17, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

and asterisks!

That bullet point must’ve used steroids

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you know why bullet points are good to use?
  • they make things seem important.

(i really hope that worked.)

i once did a powerpoint presentation that parodied powerpoint presentations. and this example was one of my slides that i needed to have that used bullet points. it was awesome.

by Heeringa on Nov 17, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

you really want to mess with people?

reverse the typical tree structure and instead of indenting sub points, outdent them

I did that with a deck last week, and about 3 minutes in someone on the conference line said “is there something wrong with the file? your bullet points are backwards”

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

learn from Arroyo!

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 17, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I just really feel like they are going to sign BP to an extension,

which will mean they can’t afford Votto, they’ll do their best to compete the next 2 years with Votto, then let him walk for who knows what (I don’t think the CBA is going to include the same type/number of draft picks), and we’re going to be stuck with an aging BP and no Votto.

/emo’Creds

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Jocketty did say that they will try to extend Votto past his contract.

It was reported a couple days ago when Jocketty blew up over trade rumors.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

They haven't failed yet.

If the deal is really 9 years and $230+ it could happen.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That's definitely not the deal.

I’d bet a lot that it’s under $200 million. That’s what’s been reported, anyway.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

it's been reported that the actual offer was well under 200 million

from buster olney’s twitter account

If the Marlins’ offer for Albert Pujols was well below $200m, and below STL’s offer of $21-22m a year, then yes, it was all about PR.

by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like it.

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

They're not going to re-sign Votto anyways

because they’re not going to commit $160M+ to a single player, which is the right move.

by ken on Nov 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right

I’d just like to believe they could do it if they wanted to, and it rubs me the wrong way that they are going to overpay BP but aren’t willing to do so for Votto.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You should be a fan of the Rays, then.

They seem to be the only team in the entire league that doesn’t overpay for someone, at some point.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

But, the Reds!

They’re my favorite team!

You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they overpaid

for Josh Hamilton.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 17, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's racist!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the Reds are foolish enough to try to get a BP deal done without talking to Votto's agent.

It’s not like they don’t know if/when Votto’s contract expires.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I do. But that's just me.

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I just like giving him shit

Trolling people on here is clearly acceptable, I’m just trying to fit in!

It feels so nice to be back to normal

by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

you rang?

I was alluding to thevole on Twitter yesterday that the Reds don’t need BP and need to speed that “earmarked” BP money on Votto for a long term contract

but I had to stop tweeting b/c I figured tweeting and driving is probably worse than texting and driving, and then got tied up at work

The ends justify the means

by Highlifeman21 on Nov 19, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if BP could still slug 400

Granted, a lot of this year’s SLG was from that period where his boomstick was swatting homers left and right, but I doubt a guy who hit that many doubles and homers would suddenly drop below .400 like that.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Nov 17, 2011 11:36 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I think he will always slug .400

If for no other reason than to make sure that he does, even if it’s to the detriment of his avg/obp.

He’ll start uppercutting if need be.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It really is a chasm between the NL's Best 2B in 2011

and anyone else I can imagine the Reds signing or having in the system in 2013.

Almost the only thing you could reasonably be upset with in BP’s 2011 was his continued Grade F base-stealing (60.8% success). That might even get worse as he ages and if he continues to hit lead-off.

So given the mutual interest, I think the extension is a foregone conclusion and will be longer than we all would like. But I don’t think it will hamstring payroll as much as it will make things that were impossible anyway a little more impossible. BP should be good value for the next two seasons, getting paid maybe only slightly more than he is now. And you can hope having everyone in place for the next two years will lead to success that will cause a payroll bump for a few years after that.

Or, you know, just defer some more millions until a time in which US currency is worthless.

Mgr., Red Reporter

"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I think one reason they might extend him is because it might give the Reds more payroll flexibility this year.

Deferred money is a real possibility, and even if they don’t defer the money it doesn’t mean he could end up making less than $12,000,000 this year in return for a longer contract.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

sheesh

the 2018 Reds already have a payroll of $35 million, and their first round draft pick is still sticking gum under the desks in Mrs. Welch’s Algebra classroom.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 17, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they probably shouldn't be deferring anymore contracts.

But, that doesn’t mean they won’t.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 17, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

also Walt may not be a GM for many more years so he may be less worried about the distant future.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 17, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet you're a republican

Interest rates are low, time to invest in America and the Cincinnati Reds!

@DavefrmLville.....is fun to follow on twiiter!

by Dave from Louisville on Nov 17, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure bigbabybruce is a teabagger.

"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone

by Yossarian22 on Nov 18, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Is not...they do a lot I do not agree with.

Maybe in the beginning, but not since they were bastardized by evangelists.

It's never too early to learn that the government is a greedy piglet that suckles on a taxpayer's teet until they have sore, chapped nipples. I'm gonna need a different metaphor to give this nine year old. ~ Ron Swanson

by BigBabyBruce on Nov 18, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter,

we’ll all be using bitcoin by then.

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."

by Cy Schourek on Nov 17, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

500k a year for the next century.

Let’s do this thing.

We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Nov 17, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

teh fay

Has a report from Jocketty. With no real news. He said they had a nice meeting, and made progress, but a deal is not in the offing yet.

Phillips, coming off a Gold Glove and Silver Slugger year, is believed to be seeking a deal somewhere between the five-year, $62 million pact the Atlanta Braves signed Dan Uggla to and the four-year, $38.5 million deal Milwaukee signed Rickie Weeks to. Both of those deals were reached last off season.

Jocketty said the Reds have met with several other teams to discuss possible trades, but didn’t name any names.

He also said END is shook up at the armed robbery, but fine otherwise. And that there has never been an incident in the DR before.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 17, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

I would be OK with 4 years $36 million

He is older than Weeks after all…

Not buying it? Man I don’t want to see what BP looks like in 4 years. 3/32 Would be OK with me. I just really don’t want an albatross.

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 17, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Burton signed with the Twins today

just so ya know – via mlbtraderumors

twitter - MattAnderson19

by in_Votto_We_Trust on Nov 17, 2011 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

actually

Burton signed with the Twinkies 4 days ago. Those sluggards at MLB Trade Rumors just didn’t report it.

Phil Dumatrait was also (re-)signed. And of course, they got Matt Maloney off waivers.

Krivsky is the assistant GM there now, so it’s an ex-Reds reunion.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Nov 18, 2011 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Bowden and Krivsky

they just know which players they like, and refuse to ever EVER give up on them…

expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

by kcgard2 on Nov 18, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

off topic question

Is there no way to read fan shots on he sbnation iPhone app? ’creds, feel free to snark back with an “ask Siri” response…you owe me one!

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

ha

For instance, I can’t get to the theriot video thread.

Tequila and pancakes, anyone?

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 18, 2011 12:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

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