Trade Rumors (for realsies this time): Jair Jurrjens jumping to Jincinnati?

so something like Heisey and Jeremy Horst is about all I’d consider. I’m with ‘creds and GBSAMBB, I’d honestly rather stand pat if you have to give up someone major.

heisey is my favorite. Probably the most versatile as well.

Jurrjens is pretty sweet though.

What are the park comparisons between GABP and Turner? Is this a similar field, as far as hitting / power numbers for a pitcher? If he is moving from a similar field and can still do the 3.ish ERA, then it’s a worthy trade.

This is better than the B level prospect he used to be, but let’s not fool ourselves about his value.

Its likely that other teams may notice that we don’t know what we’re doing all the time.

Speaking of, anyone else up for Andruw Jones as the RH portion of our LF spot (if Heisey gets traded)?

I just don’t think he’s going to be a superstar. A very good shortstop, but not a superstar.

I got ripped (I can’t remember how badly, but enough) for saying positives about Starlin a while back.

Damn, she really does get around!

Mercker for Belisle
Neagle for Reith (and Drew Henson and Jackson Melian, to be fair)
Brett Boone/Remlinger for Rob Bell, Neagle, and Mike Tucker

It’s pretty impressive to trade for 4 Braves pitchers and have each of them blow up in the Reds’ faces.

You know, like @JohnFyaman.

Kidnapping in Venezuela, armed robbery in the DR.

This news is not exactly encouraging tourism.

Why not just send the Brewers back?

50 years of NL history vs. 15

I really don’t see the Reds matching up with the Braves very well anyway, because what the Reds have a surplus of (1B, C, mediocre SP depth) the Braves don’t really need.

But every single stat, both traditional (ERA, Strikeouts) semi-traditional (WHIP) and new (FIP, K/BB, GB%) indicate that Cueto was better.

And I’d argue that a half run difference in both ERA and FIP, as well as a 40 point difference in ERA+ absolutely counts as significant.

Now, to who will be better in 2012, I’d bet a fair amount that Cueto will be. I don’t know why Bill James thinks otherwise, but there really is no arguing that Cueto hasn’t been much better the last 2 years. And if I’m a GM, I care a hell of a lot more about the last 2 years than the 2 before that, especially with young pitchers, and doubly so if the pitcher “in decline” is also losing significant velocity.

As such, without getting into specific players, because I have no idea, Cueto absolutely, 100% has much more trade value right now. (and that’s ignoring the contract situation, which I think also favors Cueto).

Sure, if you count their entire career totals, but again, I see two pitchers going in completely opposite directions, and my guess is most GMs would see that too.

but okay.

Look, I said this:

“…he was significantly better in 2011, right?”

You responded:

“Significantly better? I disagree.”

I pointed out multiple ways in which he was significantly better in 2011. If you don’t think that a 169 ERA+ is significantly better than a 128 ERA+, or that a WHIP of 1.09 is significantly better than a WHIP of 1.224, I don’t know what to tell you.

I guess now you’re either arguing about the definition of significantly or willfully ignoring that we were specifically talking about 2011. So yes, other than arguing semantics or switching to a different point than the one I specifically asked you about, I really don’t see what you’re arguing about.

remember when RR used to be fun?