Farmers Only: Predict the Reds 2014 Lineup
BK and I, in the absence of any real or significant prospect news to report on, decided to present our fine readers with a fun exercise. We want you to predict the Opening day roster for the 2014 Redlegs. This is stolen from something Baseball America does each year in their organizational prospect rankings. In addition to an organization's top 10 prospects and best tools, they list their projected roster for each team in 3 years. BA releases its Reds top prospects list soon (November 16th), so before we get their predictions, we want you to make your own.
Of course, there are ground rules.
1) You can only choose from players currently in the organization. That means no Russian billionaires buying the team and signing Pujols, Sabathia, Jimenez, and Reyes.
2) You can assume that players will sign contract extensions. For example, Joey Votto is not signed through 2014, but if you think he'll re-up and still be on the team, that is fine. Alternatively, you can also assume players will be released or traded. If you think Jay Bruce is a bum and is off the team by 2014, you don't have to include him, even though he's currently under contract through then.
3) Players must be listed at the position in which they currently play. No making Billy Hamilton the starting CF.
4) You are only listing a starting 8, 5 starting pitchers, and a closer. We don't care about UT infielders or middle relievers.
It's up to you how you want to do this. You can either predict what Walt will do, or you can say what you would do if you were GM. Do you think Walt signs Brandon Phillips through 2014? Would you?
Of course, all of these rules mean that none of us will actually be right. This is just a fun exercise to think about how we would use the current talent in the organization.
Find BK's and my predictions after the jump, and leave yours in the comments. Happy predicting!
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| C | Devin Mesoraco | Devin Mesoraco |
| 1B | Yonder Alonso | Neftali Soto |
| 2B | Henry Rodriguez | Ronald Torreyes |
| SS | Zack Cozart | Zack Cozart |
| 3B | Todd Frazier | Juan Francisco |
| LF | Yorman Rodriguez | Yonder Alonso |
| CF | Drew Stubbs | Drew Stubbs |
| RF | Jay Bruce | Jay Bruce |
| SP1 | Aroldis Chapman | Aroldis Chapman |
| SP2 | Johnny Cueto | Johnny Cueto |
| SP3 | Mike Leake | Homer Bailey |
| SP4 | Homer Bailey | Mike Leake |
| SP5 | Daniel Corcino | Travis Wood |
| CL | Brad Boxberger | Brad Boxberger |
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2014
1B yasmani grandal
2b Torreyes
SS BH
3B Roar
LF juan duran
CF yorman
rf bruce
c mesoraco
Sp cueto
sp leake
sp wood
sp lecure
sp kid from dayon
DL (tommy john) Aroldis
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
Cuban flag'd
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's an awful lot of turnover, hoss
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It's also 4 position starters aged 23 or under.
I’ll believe that when I see it.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
In fact, Bruce would be the old man of that group, at the ripe old age of 27.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Also, if Sam LeCure is one of the team's top 5 starters in 3 years, this will have been a terrible stretch.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Is the Dayon Kid who wins in the end
after the Cincinnati Kid and Toronto Kid die in a murder-homicide?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
This is hard.
C – Meso
1B – Yonder
2B – Henry Rodriguez
SS – Zach Cozart
3B – Juan Francisco
LF – Frazier
CF – Drew Stubbs
RF – Jay Bruce
SP 1 – Johnny Cueto
SP 2 – Aroldis Chapman
SP 3 – Mike Leake
SP 4 – Corcino
SP 5 – Sulbaran
CL – Boxberger
I guess I’ll explain my thinking. i thought the pitchers would be the toughest I don’t think Homer Bailey will be around. I think at that point in time the organization will have cut ties with him. I’m also unsure on Wood. He will probably still be with the organization, but I don’t know if he will be a starter or in the majors. He really needs to get his shit together. Chapman might not even been in the rotation at that point, but we can only hope.
As for the lineup, I still think Yonder will be around. Meso is a lock and so is Stubbs and Bruce in my mind. I really don’t think Francisco will be around. i don’t think his game will stick at the ML level, but if him and Frazier are still around then you’ll see Francisco at 3B and Frazier in LF. Soto and Torreyes could be ready, but Soto needs to improve on his defense and plate discipline, and I think Torreyes will still be in AAA.
I like BK’s list because it is very ambitious, but I have to go with the safer route.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
2014
C- Mesoraco
1B- Yonder Alonso
2B- Henry Rodriguez
3B- Juan Francisco
SS- Zack Cozart
RF- Jay Bruce
CF- Drew Stubbs
LF- Yorman Rodriguez
SP1- Johnny Cueto
SP2- Aroldis Chapman
SP3- Mike Leake
SP4- Homer Bailey
SP5- Daniel Corcino
Pen- Includes
CL- Brad Boxberger
Donnie Joseph (Figures things out this year)
Tony Cingriani
Logan Ondrusek
Yasmani gets the Yonder treatment and is in AAA learning another position.
Todd Frazier is the UT man.
Billy Hamilton makes an appearance in September.
Billy Hamilton makes and apearance in September...
and steals 40 bases and the hearts of everyone in Cincinnati.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 1, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I came close to putting Cingrani in my rotation, but I have no idea what they're going to do with him
He strikes me as a fast mover though
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 1, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the overall plan is bullpen, but if he continues to impress as a starter who knows.
It sounds like his pitches outside of his fastball aren’t very good, and that would be a big problem.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
I understand your sympathy towards the hitters
I wouldn’t want anyone to face him. That would be 3 strikes of torture.
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
2014
C – Meso
1B –
2B – Brandon Phillips (long term deal we won’t agree with)
3B – END
SS – Cozart
LF –
CF – Hi-Z
RF – Bruce
SP 1 – Cueto
SP 2 – Chapman
SP 3 – Leake
SP 4 – Wood
SP 5 – Josh Smith (longshot)
Closer – Boxy
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
Opps, 1B and LF were blank
1B should have been Grandal, LF Frazier
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
I fucking spelled oops wrong….
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Nov 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and you weren't even on mobile

"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
All this said
I think LF, SS, 3B, and at least one SP will probably all be people that are not in the organization now.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
2014
C – Meso
1B – Votto
2B – Hank-Rod
3B – Frazier
SS – Cozart
LF – Alonso
CF – Stubbs
RF – Bruce
SP 1 – Cueto
SP 2 – Wood
SP 3 – Leake
SP 4 – Corcino
SP 5 – Lotzkar
Closer – Chapman
STACHE SMASH!!!
by Corky's Stache on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
mine
C meso
1b votto
2b hamilton
Ss cozart
3b soto
Lf yorman
cf durango
Rf bruce
Sp josh johnson (flipped for grandal…Alonso…and end)
Sp Chapman
Sp cueto
Sp leake
Sp wood
Cl boxberger
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This should be fun.
C-Meso
1B Grandal
2B Billy Hamilton
SS Zach Cozart
3B Todd Fraizer
RF Jay Bruce
CF Drew Stubbs
LF Yorman Rodriguez
SP Chapman
SP Cueto
SP Leake
SP Bailey
SP Wood
RP Boxberger
Votto for Rookie of the Year!
2013 is when we win the World Series
Votto, Philips and James Shields [who we traded Alonso and Fransico for] are gone.
Votto for Rookie of the Year!
2014
C- Meso
1B- Votto
2B- Hamilton
SS- Cozart
3B- Frazier
LF- Yorman
CF- Stubbs
RF- Bruce
SP-Shields
SP-Chapman
SP-Cueto
SP-Wood
SP-Leake
Closer- Boxy
by DerekH91 on Nov 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think we forgot the most important thing.
The 2014 manager of the Cincinnati Reds….. CORKY FUCKING MILLER!!!!!
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
2014
C- Mesoraco
1B- Alonso
2B- Torreyes
3B- Rosa
SS- Cozart
LF- Bruce
CF- Stubbs
RF- Yorman
SP- Aroldis
SP- Sulbaran
SP- Corcino
SP- Cueto
SP- Smith
CL- Boxberger
by poojols on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
also, where is your boy Hank Rod? I'm shocked you didn't include him!
It feels so nice to be back to normal
HRod was originally at third
I’ve just heard too many glowing reviews of Rosa and his swing. Henry “El Canito” Rodriguez will be packaged with Grandal for Dylan Bundy after Weiters signs with the Yankees for $ 225MM. Bundy will then undergo TJS.
by poojols on Nov 1, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well, this will be wrong, since half of these guys will be traded by this February, but here goes
C- Grandal
1B- Mesoraco
2B- Billy Billy Billy
3B- Frazier
SS- Cozart
LF- Alonso
CF- Ourman
RF- Alonso
SP- Aroldis
SP- Cueto
SP- Corcino
SP- Leake
SP- Wood
CL- Boxberger
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
and shit, I messed up.
Bruce in RF.
Yonder can barely cover LF, much less both.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thiiiis close to making a snarky, unfunny comment about that.
We all have our roles to play….
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I preemptively snarked myself.
It’s like having my cake, and eating yours, too!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going more for "saucy"
but those will do, I suppose.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
One is sexy. At least, it’s technically sexy. The other would be creepy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 1, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball will be a wholly simulated game in 2014
I can’t wait to download the 2014 season on to my Lenovo iPad.
C Devin Mesoraco
1B Yonder Alonso
2B Brandon Phillips
3B Juan Francisco
SS Zach Cozart/Billy Hamilton (Ham takes over mid-season)
LF Yorman Rodriguez
CF Drew Stubbs
RF Jay Bruce
SP1 Johnny Cueto
SP2 Aroldis Chapman
SP3 Mike Leake
SP4 Homer Bailey
SP5 Josh Smith
CL Brad Boxberger
- I think it’s likely that Alonso is traded.
- If position changes were permitted, I’d have Grandal at 1B or LF, if he’s still in the org.
- Wanted some kind of wild card, so it’s Smith. He becomes the Travis Wood of 2014.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 1, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
My turn
C – Mesoraco
1B – Alonso
2B – Phillips
3B – Frazier*
SS – Cozart
LF – Heisey*
CF – Stubbs
RF – Bruce
SP1 – Chapman
SP2 – Cueto
SP3 – Leake
SP4 – Bailey*
SP5 – Wood*
CL – Boxberger
*Will be filled by someone not currently in the organization.
I’m assuming that the service time rules would still be the same as they are today. Because of that, I think a rookie would have to have at least a little playing time in 2013. For that reason, I think opening day 2014 is too early for any of the Dayton guys, although I like Corcino, Hamilton, and Yorman to be signficant contributors by the end of 2014.
I wonder how many people here really think Cozart will be the SS in 2014,
vs. they’re handcuffed by the rules and can’t think of anybody in the organization more likely to be SS in 2014.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I think he can hit well enough to slide to second.
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I considered this option, too.
I think it all has a ton to do with a) whether or not he hits worth a damn in 2012, and b) whether or not Billy continues to progress (and get stronger) during that time frame.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that idea
assuming he hits, of course, it’d make letting Phillips go that much easier to swallow.
I think he's got as good of a chance as anyone, including people outside the organization.
Only because FA shortstops are hard to come by, and as long as he’s better than the OCabs, Renterias, and Betancourts of the world that are available each year, he’ll keep the job.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I really, honestly think Cozart's gonna be pretty good
If not, I could see Didi, or even Brodie Green being able to hold the position down. ‘14 is pushing it for Hamilton, and I’m not sure SS is his best position. And the organization loves Devin Lohman.
by poojols on Nov 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Didi will ever see the Major Leagues
It’s early to call on Brodie Green, but right now I would say the same for him.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I don't think the org loves Lohman that much.
They sent him to Billings when he was blocking Billy at SS in Dayton.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
survey says...
Yes!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That is fantastic
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 1, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but then he started hitting well and they sent him to Bakersfield.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
I think
if they really didn’t love him, they’d have just moved him to another position.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Really, it's between Cozart and B-Ham
And if you don’t like either one of those, you have faith in Janish or want BP to move over
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 1, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
does this mean we're not getting Jose Reyes or Hanley Ramirez?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
2014
C. Y. Grandal
1st. Y. Alonso
2nd. Z. Cozart
SS. B. Hamilton/P. Janish (platoon)
3rd. T. Frazier
LF. J. Duran
CF. D. Stubbs
RF. J. Bruce
SP. J. Cueto
SP. T. Wood
SP. M. Leake
SP. J. Smith
SP. S. LeCure
CL. A. Chapman
C – Corky Miller (haha! just kidding… Mesoraco)
1B – N. Soto
2B – H. Rodriguez
SS – B. Hamilton
3B – J. Francisco
LF – Y. Rodriguez
CF – D. Sappelt
RF – J. Bruce
SP1 – M. Leake
SP2 – J. Cueto
SP3 – A. Chapman
SP4 – J. Smith
SP5 – H. Bailey
CL – B. Boxberger
And now for the explanations… I think Alonso, Phillips, Stubbs and Votto are gone by ‘14, traded for starting pitching or power hitting position players . Sappelt’s defense will improve to Stubbsian levels, giving him the nod for the start (unless aforementioned traded-for power OF is a CF). Sappelt, Stubbs and Heisey are probably never going to be THAT great offensively, (unless Stubbs gets his act together…) which is why the ‘14 CF will probably not be someone from within the organization. END heats up in ’12 and has an explosive season in ’13. Leake and Cueto are our homebred aces. Chapman struggles but is consistent enough to get wins. I honestly don’t think Bailey will be around in ‘14 but maybe he’ll improve, idk.
This is such a speedy and non-american line-up
our international scouts are quite proud of this
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
C – Grandal
1B – Alonso
2B – Torreyes
3B – ummm…END wearing out his last chances with the org with an active search for his replacement á la E5, with David Vidal dying for Dusty to give him his shot. Vidal ends up with more playing time.
SS – Cozart
LF – Donald Lutz/Drew Stubbs
CF – Ryan LaMarre/Stephen Hunt
RF – Jay Bruce
SP – Cueto
SP – Leake
SP – Lotzkar/Tim Crabbe
SP – Corcino
SP – Josh Smith/Sulbaran
CL – Boxberger/Chapman
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Vidal is an excellent call for 3B, and in hindsight, who I should've chosen.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
3B looks pretty strong right now
We’ve seen several brought up here, and nobody has mentioned Buckley. All the more reason to trade END.
by poojols on Nov 1, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know, i thought about Buckley.
and if I thought they would start him in Bakersfield next summer, I would have went with him.
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 1, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you sir
the more I think about it, the more Vidal really stands out as the main option for in-house guys in two-three years.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
C- Mesoraco
1B- Votto
2B- Torreyes
3B- Francisco (face palm)
SS- Cozart
LF- Sappelt
CF- Stubby
RF- Bruuuuce
SP- Chapman
SP- Cueto
SP- Wood
SP- Leake
SP- Bailey
CL- Boxberger
I think the Reds will make a Votto extension happen, even if it hampers the payroll, I think Castellini is going to shell out bigtime for him. I don’t really think Francisco is the future at third, but I was following the rules of this guessing game. I fully expect Kevin Youkilis to come to Cincy by 2014 a discounted contract to play the hot corner in front of his family and friends. I see Alonso being traded for a pitcher after a Votto extension (Bailey I also don’t expect to be around in 2014).
Respect my authoritah!
by BigBadBruce on Nov 1, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
C- Mesoraco
1B: Votto
2B: H-Rod
SS: Cozart
3B: Vidal
LF: Yonder Alonso
CF: Stubbs
RF: Jay Bruce
OFs: Sappelt; Yorman
SP: Johnny Cueto
SP: Aroldis Chapman
SP: Homer Bailey
SP: Mike Leake
SP: Corcino
CL: Edinson Volquez or Tony Cingrani
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
by UncleWeez on Nov 2, 2011 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just want to say
I’m seeing way too much SP: Homer Bailey in 2014.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

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