Year-end player awards: Best pitcher in a major league role
UPDATE: I should mention also that we can probably call it for Devin Mesoraco. With 44% of the vote he's your Minor League Postion player of the Year!
However much you think this particular category is a joke, it's still your baseballo-civic duty to, in the words of the cloyingly obvious theme to Robert Altman's Tanner '88: "Exercise your right to vote/Choose the one you like the most." You'll also get to see yellow horizontal bars go up. As far as I know, you don't get that kind of immediate gratification in real voting.
The Reds pitching staff packed more punchline than punch in 2011, ranking 12th in the NL in ERA, below league average in WHIP, second-last in SO/BB and tied for second-last (with the ROCKIES) in HR/9. But there were a handful of stand-out performances.
To introduce the nominees:
Tyler Davidson, guy that happens to have the same name as the fountain
Maggie Ledgerdmain, the last person who still thinks Baseball at Broadway Commons could still happen
TYLER
Pitching is hard. You can have a lot of pitchers and maybe your best one could get injured and most of the other ones will end up being kind of bad or almost basically terrible. So cut 'em some slack?
MAGGIE
That's why I think we should consider locatingthe Reds' ballpark at Broadway Commons. This study I commissioned out of pocket suggest that wind patterns and geothermal energy would reduce the number of HRs given up by Reds' pitching, as compared to the riverfront site. Although, the difference is within the margin of error. Back to the drawing board for old Mags.
She leaves.
TYLER
The nominees for least worst pitcher are...
The main thing you can dock Cueto on, in the hopes of making this a more competitive category, is that the portions were small. If you'd treated 2011 like an assigned novel in high school lit class, tuning in just at the beginning and end, you might not have known JC was even on the team. Cueto pitched 156 innings in 2011, 6 less than the number required for an ERA title. If he'd pitched 6 more innings, allowing one earned run, he would have tied Clayton Kershaw (by rounding up) for lowest ERA in the NL.
Cueto made his leap forward this season by becoming a more fielding-dependent pitcher and coaxing balls where his defense could get to them. Despite the second-lowest K-rate of any regular starter on the team, Cueto had the lowest HR rate and lowest Hits/9. Getting his Tiant on worked to great effect for Cueto, who became the absentee ace of the staff. The peripherals might send up red flags for some, but that's a question for another season.
| IP | K | ERA+ | WHIP | BB/9 | SO/9 | FIP | SIERA | |
| Johnny Cueto (2011) | 156 | 104 | 169 | 1.090 | 2.7 | 6.0 | 3.45 | 3.78 |
What Mike Leake lacked in rate stats, he made up for with the counting kind. And, after an initial hiccup, in dependability also. Leake's season started off looking like a carry-over from 2010's second-half struggles, but after a brief trip to the minors (his first ever) Leake righted the ship. He finished the season first on the staff in wins, strikeouts and tying Bronson for lowest BB-rate, while trailing only him for most innings pitched.
| IP | K | ERA+ | WHIP | BB/9 | SO/9 | FIP | SIERA | |
| Mike Leake (2011) | 167.2 | 118 | 101 | 1.175 | 2.0 | 6.3 | 4.22 | 3.61 |
Not long a go, he was known for little more than being an ironic bobble-head selection and an exceedingly affable, mustachioed guy with a Twitter account. This season, he was a vital cog in the Reds' pitching staff, filling in as a spot starter, long-reliever, mop-up guy and middle/late innings weapon. His lack of overpowering stuff and status as a recently-converted starter may have masked how good LeCure was this season - especially in his peripherals - and how useful he was from preventing the staff from becoming a complete train-wreck due both to regressions and bullpen workload. LeCure lead the team in WHIP, ranked third in K-rate, fourth-lowest in walk-rate and third in hits/9.
| IP | K | ERA+ | WHIP | BB/9 | SO/9 | FIP | SIERA | |
| Sam LeCure (2011) | 77 | 73 | 106 | 1.004 | 2.4 | 8.5 | 3.79 | 2.86 |
Cordero was much-maligned after last season, his worst in three years to date as a Red. But he followed-up that trough with a season that rivaled his best (2009) - and certainly bested it from the standpoint of control and base-runner prevention. There are well-founded reservations around the talk of bringing a 36-year old CoCo back on a two-year contract, especially with how shaky he can be when called upon on consecutive days. But that doesn't negate the fact that, by most any standard, he was the Reds' best reliever this season.
| IP | K | ERA+ | WHIP | BB/9 | SO/9 | FIP | SIERA | |
| Francisco Cordero (2011) | 69.2 | 42 | 160 | 1.019 | 2.8 | 5.4 | 4.02 | 3.76 |
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Didn't attach the first time
but it should be up there now
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
/dutiful forearm bash
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The official wire service for meatheads
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
hhhmmmm....which one to post? Screw it, have them both


"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that's what she said?
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm sure he appreciate the horse comparison
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
/dirkdiggler'd
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
2012 comeback player of the year!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rec this
But the sbnation iPhone app won’t allow it.
This must be fixed for the 4s
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm sure if you just talk to the phone it will work
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Or take a 1080p video of you reading the comment and saying "rec'd"
As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.
by Ram27 on Oct 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would watch that video
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you shut your whore mouth
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
did lecure whiff 104 in 77 IP/?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 5, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Aroldis sniffed 104 about 77 times.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
73
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It was wrong before
but now it’s right.
I’m still pretty impressed with LeCure’s K-rate. I don’t know how sustainable it is, but its not far off what he did in the minors. He was able to up his velocity in a little in the bullpen and start touching 93-94 with that very effective slider.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't get upset if they went with LeCure/Bray as a closer combo...
…and put that Cordero money into a starting pitcher.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
Unfortunately, the manager.
Dusty needs someone in the “closer role” so he doesn’t have to think about who to call on.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
we can cross our fingers that dusty doesn't make that choice next year
Because walt fires him
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Sammathan's splits:
RHB: .216/.266/.369 /.635
LHB: .186/.278/.382/ .661
Now that’s only last year. Including his 2010, its .670/.772
I know the BABIP is low, but I’m gonna get myself and hopefully some of you convinced he’s the cure for closer ails, and then we can all get upset when it doesn’t happen.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'm right there with you Cy, but it will never happen.
I think the perception is that a closer must have high velocity on the FB. I’m to lazy look up every closer’s avg fastball velocity, but I would imagine that Sammy is below average in that category. I think what is more important is the ability to miss bats, which LeCure has. If anyone currently on the club besides Coco will be the closer next year, it will be Arredondo. I think Masset has the “stuff” that you find in a prototypical closer, but I don’t think he has the mental makeup for it.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Picking between Reds' pitchers this year is
Like picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
and Johnny Cueto.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 5, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
it Kevin Mitchell is batman then
Who is Robin?
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
who's on third.
As for Robin, I’m pretty sure that was Telly Savalas.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Robin is dead them
And was in way too many movies about the second great war
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
hrmmm, interesting.
I guess that would explain why Telly Savalas is Robin hasn’t been posting much lately…HE DEAD!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 5, 2011 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought he been dead

Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
if he's on third
His right ankle is pointing at the CF.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 5, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mookie Wilson?
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously though
There are way more options than just Volquez and Arroyo.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 5, 2011 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
but Volquez and Arroyo were the 1 - 2 punch to start the season
And thus are the only 2 conceivable options in this poll
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Masset had a nice stretch, surrounded by crappy performances.
I no longer trust him out of the pen.
Matt Maloney and Jordan Smith were also THE SUCK.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
I think Smith got burnt out early
he pitched a ton early on.
Maloney barely pitched at all this year, he was hurt for most of the season.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
I think I'm the biggest supporter here
but I have a tough time figuring out why anyone voted for him. Or really anyone besides Cueto.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
No one has yet, at least on my screen
He was the team’s best reliever on the basis of ERA+, but if you look at WPA, he’s .01 behind Chapman for best on the team – suggesting it’s possible that he was less valuable than he seems based on the leverage situations he pitched in and his handful of catastrophic meltdowns.
Another interesting bit is that if you just used fWAR to evaluate pitchers – which would be a bad idea, especially since it puts Nick Masset ahead of LeCure and Cordero – Willis is the second-most valuable pitcher this season, adding his 0.9 batting WAR to his 0.8 pitching WAR. I thought about putting Willis on the ballot, but thought better of it considering it would be his bat that got him there as probably at least 1/4 of his value.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 5, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
pitchers and batting war is an interesting thought
What would a top end starter like CC with a respectable bat be worth in a full season in the NL?
Whoever lives past today and comes home safely will rouse himself each year on this day, show his neighbors his scars, and tell embellished stories of all their great feats of battle.
by brown11b on Oct 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
We could ask 2003-2006 Carlos Zambrano
or 99-2000 Mike Hampton, maybe. Or heck, Dontrelle was already in our clubhouse!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I think this poll was a great summation
for why there has never been a unanimous choice for the HoF.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat

Kevin Youkilis: If I were to go anywhere, I would want to go to Cincinnati .
by Madville on Oct 6, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

































