What happened today: Cordero declined, Maloney to Minnesota, more
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 5:10 PM EDT
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PrintThere was a flurry of minor activity on the first business day since the end of the postseason. Today was the deadline to decide on 2012 contract options and the Reds also cleared space on the 40-man roster in advance of open free agent season. The team has until November 19 to protect players from the Rule 5 Draft and until November 23 to decide whether to offer arb to ranked free agents (Cordero and Hernandez, both Type A).
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Here's what happened:
- Matt Maloney went to the Twins on a waiver claim
- Francisco Cordero's $12M option was declined
- Brandon Phillips' $12M option was exercised
- Jared Burton and Daryl Thompson were outrighted off the 40 man roster
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If you wanna be all fancy about it, be my guest. Me, I’m fond of brev.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
It would be very much that I like and prefer to engage in loquacity
Sorry about the mix-up. I didn’t realize we were working in parallel. I was waiting on that last bit of news and wanted to capture it in a post for the evening.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No prob
I just threw that together in a few minutes. So only very briefly were we “working” in parallel.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless the Reds official twitter was lying, Maloney was def a waiver claim
Seems like they are clearing a lot of roster space. Walt must have his eye on a bunch of old, crappy middle infielders.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maloney may be out of options
he was optioned in 2009, 2010, and 2011, so unless Walt thinks Maloney will be active or on the MLB DL all of 2012 I guess this makes sense.
Shame since he is useful starting pitching depth.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
I wouldn't necessarily use the word useful.
Maybe as a reliever, but not as a starter. He just doesn’t have the pitchers. I could see him succeeding as a LOOGY though.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
Again I would believe i you if his minor league numbers were different
but he got through the minors by striking out a lot of batters and not walking many.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
Yeah, but that is in the minors.
I don’t see his stuff transition well to the minors, mainly because he doesn’t have a plus strikeout pitch. The scouts also agree with this. I really wanted him to succeed, but I just don’t see it.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 1, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
All minor league stats translate equally to the major league level
Always have, always will.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 1, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brandon Larson'd
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, he is out of options
Walt said all the players they removed from the roster today were out of options and not likely to make the 25-man next year, and that’s why they got the boot.
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It appears they also announced the Gold Glove finalists today. (That's new, right?)
Votto, Phillips, and Bruce all made the cut. And the only place I could find the full list was here.
by the finest muffins on Oct 31, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a little hard to believe, but Votto's got a real shot
Gaby Sanchez and James Loney aren’t exactly Mark Grace out there, and they don’t have Joey’s star power.
I don't think it's hard to believe
I called it, earlier this season. For one thing, we all know the GG isn’t really about the best defense. For another…Joey’s been pretty damned good on defense this year. I think the unfortunate Cozart incident sticks in Reds fans’ minds, but overall, Votto’s been excellent on defense. He’s worked hard on it, and it shows. His UZR was good for second best on the team (after BP).
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Not saying he doesn't deserve it
I understand that he’s been good on defense, though I wouldn’t go so far as “damned good.” It’s just a little surprising given that he came up as a reportedly poor defensive player and doesn’t make a bunch of highlight plays. He’s on the list (and probably the favorite) due to a combination of Adrian Gonzalez leaving the NL, Pujols missing some time, and Joey continuing to hit like an MVP.
Some pretty week nominations in the infield in general. Shortstop in particular had some conspicuous absences.
by ken on Nov 1, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I really think Joey's improved on defense
Perhaps because of the threat of being moved to LF. I get the feeling he was putting all his effort into hitting before. Now he’s working on fielding, too.
And I do think he’s damned good…for a first baseman. Guys with really good gloves tend to end up at 3B or some other defensively more demanding position.
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Fangraphs news:
Jay Bruce was 5th-worst at “The Little Things” this past year, but he was in pretty heady company.
Here’s your top 50 free agents. Some dudes there would look pretty good in LF: Willingham? DeJesus? SIZEMORE???
Less so with pitching and SS depth. But I’ve suddenly enthused myself on Grady in left. His defense is probably still legitimate there, and there’s enough LF depth where the season isn’t stanked if he gets injured again. But if he’s healthy, there’s your leadoff/second hitter.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Get him for a 1yr/$6m,
trade Alonso et. al for the ace, and keep Heisey around as the 4th OF. Eh? EH?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I hope you get iced.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 31, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I join you in your Grady quest.
Although I remembered today, Hank Blaylock and decided 3 million was more my style. The upside is tremendous and the depth in the OF makes this a safer risk. He was a doubles machine and could be a HR machine in GABP.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
I don't know.
He hasn’t been healthy or good since 2008.
I’d be down with a lower guarantee with tons of incentives, but I’d guess he’ll get someone to guarantee him $6 million. I’m just not convinced he’ll be better than Alonso/Heisey.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I think not only will he be better,
but he’ll fill a lacking role better, too.
Again, marginal benefits are key, here. Getting Sizemore will free Alonso (who is a far more valuable chip, no doubt) to be traded (with others) for a very good pitcher. You can upgrade two positions to the tune of something like 3 wins each, for a relatively low cost.
Could Sizemore flame out and become worthless? Of course. But I think there’s enough depth in the system (Heisey/Sappelt/etc) to at least make up for it to an extent. There’s a risk of failure, but if it works out like it has the chance to, it allows for focus on bullpen/SS/3b, which still need some help.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
You make a compelling argument.
Unfortunately, so do the numbers.
Over the last 3 seasons, he’s only played a total of 210 games. His walk rate has gone down and his K rate way up.
I get that he’s only 29, but a guy like that with all of his numbers trending the wrong way makes me nervous about guaranteeing too much money to him.
Having said that, if I knew for sure Alonso would fetch a true #1/2 starter, I’d be for it.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Last 3 years
Games played: 210/486
.234/.313/.413
17/29 SB including 0/2 this year.
We can’t afford to take a $6M flier on a guy with bad wheels who can’t hit.
A dope trailer is no place for a kitty.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Oct 31, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that $6 mil is too much
but for $4 or 5 mil, I’m very intrigued. He hasn’t hit because he’s been hurt so much. If he’s healthy, he could do some damage.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, Sizemore WAS a great player for a bit of time.
So was Rolen, however, and there’s zero place on the roster of a team in this payroll range for both of these guys.
There’s no way you can focus that much of your financial clout on 2 players who play premium offensive positions that simply cannot stay healthy. One? Sure, but two just can’t happen.
I’d rather take DeJesus on a $3 million deal and know he can be an everyday player if need be.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
But man, checking out his healthy seasons, I would kill to have that in LF for us next year. What kind of gamble are we willing to take for that?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing.
At least with Rolen, he’s been known to sprinkle in a great season in between several lost seasons due to injury.
With Sizemore, it’s like he was great, got hurt, kept getting hurt, and just hasn’t bounced back.
I was a stock broker for 3+ years, and I fully well understand that you try to find opportunities to “buy low” on assets you think can improve in value and help your portfolio, but I just see too much risk in him on a team that’s otherwise configured to do great things.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that
But man, those numbers…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus was pretty awful last year
on a team with options in the outfield, he wouldn’t have played. I’d still be open to DeJesus, but if money is equal, I’d prefer Sizemore, because the Reds have the OF depth to take on a sunk player.
My argument is basically, if the Reds can get Beltran, awesome. If not, I think Sizemore has far more upside than Willingham, Cuddyer, DeJesus, or the rest. And the Reds need upside. Sure, they can probably get to 85-88 wins next year. I’d rather see them get 94.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Sizemore hasn't been healthy for years
And I’m not sure he ever will be again. I think he’s too risky for a team like the Reds.
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DeJesus, if you'll remember, was coming off a bad wrist break that meant the Royals couldn't trade him at the deadline in '10.
He also had a BABIP level a ton lower than his career levels while playing in the offensive cemetary that is Oakland.
I think he’s a great, great buy-low opportunity…other than the fact he’s yet another LH bat.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I had not remembered, no.
I seem to be in the minority here, so there’s not much else I can really say but “wait and see”. LF is definitely the easiest of the holes to fill, but for my own personal preferences in roster construction, I’d prefer a premium defensive, high-OBP guy. Sizemore’s the only one out there that runs the risk of being that guy.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
DeJesus is certainly Sizemore-lite, that's true.
I guess I’m just looking for a #1/#2 hitter out of this LF we dream of, not another middle of the order LH bat.
Sizemore may well be great, and I’m all for hunches, too (I’ve been hell-bent and committed to my theory of Grandal being better than Mesoraco), I just think DeJesus will be more like his career numbers than his 2011 season.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think, once you get past Beltran, you're looking at Willingham-DeJesus-Sizemore
each with greater risk/reward than the one to his left.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I remember Willingham being a pretty good bat in Washington
Wonder how he’d do in GABP
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
how about this though...
what’s the risk/reward on $6 million total spent…
1 year for that with Sizemore, or 2 years for that total with DeJesus, assuming both return to near their career averages?
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm,
in my mind, that just confuses the issue. “Will Sizemore be worth the money?” or “Will DeJesus be worth the money?” If you get a hell of a year out of Sizemore, and then get arb picks as he picks up his last big multiyear conract, you look great. If DeJesus bombs, and you’re stuck with him on the team in 2013 as well, you look bad. It’s the same question, just framed differently, I think.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
ah, true.
I’d forgotten the arb-offer opportunity they’d get if he really played well.
That’s a legit point, for sure.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think people don't want Sizemore per se
But for a team that probably has $6 mil total to spend, blowing it all on a guy who may give you nothing seems pretty risky.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
but if it allows you to turn Alonso into a 5-6 win pitcher,
you’ve just gained this team 10-12 wins if it works out and 5-6 if it doesn’t.
I don’t think the Reds can go for broke the way Milwaukee did last winter, the trade targets aren’t there. But I do think they need to go for broke, and I think this is a good way to do it.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
kind of like the Cards did
with Berkman and Rasmus (not the return they got, but their line of thinking?)
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose
you could even argue that Heisey is a better defense, lower OBP version of Jon Jay.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Turning Alonso into a 5-6 win pitcher is a big if
Also, paying Sizemore $6 mil probably rules out being able to pay a 5-6 win pitcher.
Finally, Alonso probably gives you 1-4 wins (depending on defense) as a LFer, so the best case isn’t quite as big a gain as you think.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I agree that Grandal > Mesoraco
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Catcher from The U....
vs. HS Catcher from Groundhogs Day, PA….
I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’….
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree.
A $1 or $2 million flyer with a ton of incentives would be fine. But $6 million, besides being too much money, also guarantees that he’ll play a lot, even if he sucks.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Johnny Smith is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JohnnySmith28 Johnny Smith
Votto-Bautista talks heating up.
#JOHNNYSMITHFANCLUB
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
by mdccclxix on Oct 31, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
purveyor of lies who keeps Reds fans churning with trade ideas
he was “in the know” about Jiminez and said it was a done deal. he’s got zero credibility. it’s late October and I’m glad he’s back!
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
awhh shit, that guy again?
It’s going to be an emotional roller-coaster of an offseason…
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he might be a Reds staffer
He hears things, but not necessarily everything.
Remember that time when he posted that tweet that sounded like something the Reds PR department would put out? Accidentally, it seemed. Like he was logged onto the wrong account and didn’t realize it.
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I hope he updates his resume.
People who leak things in order to prove they are “in the know” won’t stay “in the know” for long.
I call B.S. that any Reds staffer would tweet something as dumb as "Votto-Bautista talks heating up."
First of all, it’s not an original rumor. Secondly, Jocketty made pretty clear that Votto isn’t going anywhere, and it didn’t seem like a non-denial denial.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw
Another anonymous source says Votto’s not going anywhere.
Speaking of first basemen, is there any chance Joey Votto will be traded?
While it’s easy to see Cincinnati being in the same situation as Milwaukee with Fielder two years from now, the Reds aren’t showing any sign of shopping of Votto, the 2010 NL MVP. One person with ties to the team there’ s "not a chance’’ they shop him. That person acknowledged teams may make offers, and it’s true the Reds have a natural replacement in Yonder Alfonso in tow. The Blue Jays, Votto’s hometown team, would surely be interested, as would many others. But teams generally don’t trade 20-something stars like this.
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by BubbaFan on Oct 31, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so maybe we're lucking out!
Maybe, johnny smith is implying the Jays offered Bautista for Votto, but Walt was all, “Hell nahhh, gimme more!”
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
From Fay's blog, about Cordero
"We didn’t want to bring him back at that salary," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "We’re still hopeful that we can reach a new deal, but this also gives him an opportunity to check the market."
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Cordero and the Reds would get a deal done.
"We were close," Jocketty said. "But it didn’t come together at the last minute."
That tells me that Walt wants CoCo to put himself out there, realize his market isn’t very good, and come back and sign for less.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I think you're right
Cordero was asking for too much. Jocketty is betting the market price, with Papelbon leading that free agent class, is below whatever Coco slid across the table.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's kind of a win/win
Either CoCo’s market is decent and someone else overpays for him, or Jocketty gets to keep him on the cheap.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
That's not a win/win to me, though.
I don’t want a 38 year old closer who’s stuff has gotten worse every year he’s been here.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
who do you want to be our closer?
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well, he's 36 years old, but his elbow's just a year old.
Joe Nathan.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you had someone in-house in mind
If we’re not going to re-sign Coco, I think I’d rather grow our own.
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not in the "Votto-window" tm!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case
Bring back Coco.
(Besides, isn’t Votto being traded to Toronto for Bautista?)
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Isn't there quite a few relievers/closers this year?
I’d think we could scoop someone up at a below market price, especially if they want that closer role.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
Homer Bailey
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm ok with that too
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Volquez,,,No fucking way...the guy's a head case...just what the REd's don't need for a closer
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Dibble was a head case
how’d that work out for us with selective end points?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
sooner or later everybody turns to justin's way of thinking!
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
stolen 'tHan material
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jocketty mentioned that the Reds have "key young players we have to add to the roster"
I’m not seeing anyone else beyond Soto that has to be added next month. So it looks like the Reds will have 5 open 40-man spots for free agent season.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
maybe they're hoping to grab someone via Rule 5
Jocketty said the players released were all out of options, and not likely to make the 25-man. So they’d have to be exposed to waivers anyway.
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I think
the fact that they are listed as “outrighted” means they don’t have or didn’t exercise their right to refuse.
Three years is not enough to qualify for “veteran’s consent” – you need five years MLB experience.
Thompson must have cleared waivers and accepted his assignment, since he has been outrighted before, and could refuse if he wanted to.
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Pretty sure you can refuse an outright assignment at 3 years
You get the money left on your contract if you refuse with 5 years.
The Reds removed them from the roster, but maybe its implied that they responded to the decision. I hadn’t heard anything definitive.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you still get the money at 3 years
As I recall, Bubba Crosby had 4 years but could not refuse when he was outrighted from the Yankees. But he still got paid big league money. Minimum wage big league money, because that’s all he was signed for, but still.
It is very confusing and was reported incorrectly for quite sometime before the beat writers figured it out. But I think Wikipedia is right:
A player who is outrighted to the minors is removed from the 40-man roster but is still paid according to the terms of his guaranteed contract. A player can only be outrighted once in his career without his consent.
If a player has 5 years of major-league service, he may not be assigned to a minor-league team without his consent, regardless of whether he has already been outrighted once, even if he clears waivers. If the player withholds consent, the team must either release him or keep him on the major league roster. In either case, the player must continue to be paid under the terms of his contract. If he is released and signs with a new team, his previous team must pay the difference in salary between the two contracts if the previous contract called for a greater salary.
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RSC is right
Both guys can become free agents if they so choose. Perhaps they already have.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I think that's partly correct
“Outrighted” means they cleared waivers. They have 72 hours from when they were informed of this to accept or decline the minor league assignment.
Or rather, Thompson does. Still don’t think Burton has the right to refuse, unless he was outrighted before (and I don’t think he has been).
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Well, we've established that Fay has been wrong before, but
–Right-handers Daryl Thompson and Jared Burton were outrighted to Triple-A Louisville. Both could refuse the assignment and become free agents.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
That seems right to me
Semantics over what “outrighted” means. It’s like an episode of Twilight Zone where you’re trapped in the Clinton deposition. Which means you can make Lewinski jokes again.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I think about it
Burton can become a free agent because he’s had seven years in the minors. (Holy crap, I didn’t realize he was drafted way back in 2002.) I still say he not eligible for veteran’s consent, but he can become a six-year minor league free agent (which, confusingly, happens if you have seven years experience).
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My wife had a dream last night that she was discussing the Reds off season moves with Joey Votto
In her dream, Votto was arguing in favor of trading Mesoraco to the Pirates.
You guys know what this means, right?
AMS’s wife clearly had a prophetic dream. Walt needs to call up Neal Huntington immediately.
Mesoraco, Heisey, and Wood to the Pirates
for McCutchen!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
swap out Wood with LeCure
and I would do that exact trade
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
never know til we give Neil a call....
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, leave Wood and throw in END too
that might be an actual starting point, then
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Heisey's a PA guy and mashes at PNC park...
END is the second (first?) coming of Pedro Alvarez…
I like where this is headed.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah, Meso's a PA guy, too!
Holy shit we’re on to something.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's give 'em Sean Casey, too.
Just for good measure.
by the finest muffins on Nov 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
so we can get Dave Williams again?
fuck no
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wood > LeCure in my book
even with that glorious ’stache
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lotta business being taken care of today
Sabathia and the Yanks have a deal, to the shock of no one.
The Jays have picked up Elpidio’s option. (To play 3B when Bautista is traded for Votto?) Wow. They DFA’d him last year.
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He had a decent year last year (.272/.334/.453)
And was especially good in the 2nd half (.291/.382/.504). Maybe they feel like something changed for him. Also, he was DH 70 times last season, compared to just 30 starts at 3B and 22 at 1B. Maybe he’s found a position that he’s comfortable playing?
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by Slyde on Nov 1, 2011 7:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DH is a position that I would be comfortable with him playing.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
I see him more as a Centerbencher/Sunflower-seed-spitter type.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 1, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I like the guy, but he still has a tendency to make ridiculous throwing errors.
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E5's new job will be DH
sayeth the Jays. Although they have him playing LF in winterball. Looks like he’s going to be a utility type.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
My Pandora Wilco station took a life of its own this evening
Smells Like Teen Spirit, I’ll Be – Edwin McCain, I Alone – Live, Yellow Ledbetter, If You Could Only See, Barely Breathing – Duncan Shiek.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Nirvana on Wilco station?
Those algorithms need some reformatting
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
hrm, just because this popped in my head
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilco blows
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
by btcoop71 on Nov 1, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking of moving my money to Fifth-Third Bank
any reviews of that joint?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Both of my parents had terrible experiences with 5/3.
I personally am a huge fan of U.S. Bank, a couple of times I paid a bill out of the wrong account and over drafted with U.S. Bank, totally my fault, but I told them what happened and they reversed the overdraft fees. It was very nice because it was my fuck up and they had absolutely no obligation to do that.
Because of that I decided to open a new account with U.S. Bank when I gave up on the dream and moved back home rather than going to a local credit union.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
by Yossarian22 on Oct 31, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My Credit Union has overdraft protection.
It has come in handy several times. I don’t balance my checkbook and sometimes write random checks when I’m in a hurry.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
I've been with US Bank a LONG time now
and they are really pissing me off. I am closer to switching every day.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
really?
What are they doing?
My experience with them has been very good, but I just have one credit card with them (my college alumni card).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
First, they eliminated the rewards on my college card
Second, they often send me junk promotional offers in the mail from what seem to be unaffiliated companies, and I’ve also gotten telemarketing calls from companies that got my info from US Bank. That really makes me unhappy.
Third, they just implemented a new check fee. It costs to cash checks at my own bank now.
Also, it goes without saying that their rates are for crap. Basically zero. Which is why I don’t actually keep any money with them, just use them for their banking services as an online gateway for access to my money.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
check fees
would be a deal breaker for me.
I don’t blame you for being pissed off.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
i haven't been charged $2
been notified of a fee,
and i just checked out usbank.com and they only charge a $6 maintenance fee if you don’t maintain an average balance of $1,500 or receive at least $500 a month in direct deposits.
I am pretty sure this is not true.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
You're right, he made it up just to fuck with you
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, it's happened three times to me now in the last two months
I’d show a screenshot, if this weren’t the internet and all…
Or maybe I should call up corporate and be like “WTH are your tellers doing with these fees?”
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
Check it for yourself
Rate schedule for Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana
Page 4 – counter checks. Maybe you don’t live in this area….
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
what are counter checks?
According to the Google, they are blank checks given to customers who have run out of checks or don’t yet have them. Many banks don’t even accept them any more.
It doesn’t sound like a fee you’d have to pay often, assuming you remember to reorder checks in time.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
actually counter check technology has really improved
I needed them printed a couple of months ago, and they had my name and address on them so I could write them anywhere that accepted checks.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
that doesn't sound like a counter check
They’re supposed to be lying out on the counter for customers to use!
Did they charge you fees for printing and/or cashing the checks? They must have at least charged you for printing them.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
counter checks are the same as a withdrawal slip, AFAIK
As in, you go into the bank to take cash out since you need more than whatever the ATM limit is.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
If they are what I think they are they charged me $2 per check
if they are what JCH thinks they are, I have no clue.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
You are probably right
Because it says the fee for counter checks is $2.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
if the fee was for counter checks
as he says, it’s because he’s got a new account and doesn’t have printed checks yet.
Once he has printed checks, he won’t be charged fees any more.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
so you ARE a card-carrying member of the Paul Janish Fan Club!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I have accounts at several banks and credit unions
Don’t want to have all my eggs in one basket.
IME, Internet banks are the best. Because they don’t have to maintain brick and mortar locations, they can offer higher interest rates. Fees tend to be lower, and I’ve found the service to be pretty good.
SmartyPig is the best for savings. They’re kind of a weird bank, though. They are set up just for saving, and for saving for specific goals. You specify the goals – what you want, how much you need, when you need it – and they will calculate how much you have to contribute monthly. Or you can specify an amount. You can also share your goal on social media, so your friends and family can contribute. There stated intent is to help the little guy, so their best interest rate is reserved for balances under $50,000. I have a Christmas club type account there – money saved throughout the year for Xmas spending. I also have vacation and camera gear funds.
For everyday banking, I like ING Direct. No fee checking, and no minimum balance. The interest rate is not quite as good as SmartyPig’s, but you can go higher than $50,000, and do billpaying, checks, etc., like a normal bank (which you can’t do with SmartyPig). ING also has a long list of ATMs where you can withdraw money without paying a fee. I still have a local bank, but I don’t really need one.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
ING is pretty awesome
maybe I’ll have to check smarty pig
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'm moving to the Netherlands in 2013
I figure that once I’m there I’ll switch to ING full-time. They just don’t have any locations where I am now.
Tomorrow’s the big day, I’ll probably go to the local credit union, it’s a bit more on my way then 5/3 is. Thanks for the help, y’all!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
They don't have any locations where I am either
that’s the only reason US Bank still counts me as a customer!
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
this endorsement surprises me not
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
that you would not support a quality establishment
I’ve had an account with 5/3 since I was 16, never had a problem
I’m sure there are always ad hoc situations where people did have a bad experience, but mine have been roses, and I had great banker relationships from Madeira to Naples, FL
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My parents had two seperate unrelated issues with 5/3
i have had no issues over 6 years of off again on again banking with U.S. Bank.
"Life is such a vapid world pool of nothing"-Eddie Pepitone
off again on again?
sounds like money laundering to me
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Mrs. Scrabbles and I have been with 5/3 since college
No complaints. Of course, I’ve never really used another bank in my adult life, so I have no frame of reference.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
obc works at 5/3
Buyer beware
Follow on Twitter: @jluckhaupt. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
by Slyde on Nov 1, 2011 7:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I just imagined Cy thinking, "screw that, I'm not using 5/3 if that cockmunch works there" and genuinely lol'd
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
heh,
reports on my internet-based anger have been greatly exaggerated.
You still listen to music even though ’credsy teaches it, right?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Nov 1, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely not, fuck that dude
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 1, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew all this time that your plan was for me to fuck you
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Nov 1, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your continued presence on this site does that every day.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Nov 1, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Or: buy or beware.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 1, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I've used both 5/3 and US Bank
5/3 is better for loans, US Bank is better for everyday banking.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
I've had no problems with 5/3 in 6 or so years.
I'm ready to face any challenges that may be foolish enough to face me
i loved 5/3 hours when i lived in hamilton
but the 5/3 here in greensburg, in was awful …. they also fee the shit out of you. i switched to a local bank called mainsource and have never been happier with a bank (mother-in-law is also pretty high up the ladder there, so that helps too).
Individuality: Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.
I can't for the life of me think of anyone that works there
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to see the Reds dump the baggage of Maloney, Burton and Thompson
Now if Walt can get some kind of a deal done trading Votto and Rolen….
Rolen is good for about 90 games tops and his skills are on the decline
Votto will never stick around to be a long term Red trade him NOW.
Oh and Credit Unions rule…RULE !!! Cintel Federal is the bomb…
never had a an overdraft charge or a problem with fees being reversed and if you need a loan…easy and low rates…
just sayin’
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
hopefully...
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
trading votto is really stupid imo
he has potential to be one of the best MLB players in 2012 and 2013, and the Reds have him signed for both of those years. Trading him now is idiotic. The team has the potential to win in 2012 and 2013.
It’d be one thing if the reds put up just 60 wins last year. But they didnt. They can definitely compete, and the Reds should be keeping votto until at least the middle of 2013. If that team is out of the race, then sure, trade the guy, you will still get a haul for him. Otherwise, you hang on to a player like that. Seems to have worked for Milwaukee and St. Louis.
Anyone suggesting a premature trade of Votto is really stupid.
MLB Trade Rumors
thinks our big free agent signing will be…Juan Pierre.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'd be more excited about Willingham
than about Juan Pierre. Pierre’s been OPSing .650 the past few years. I’d rather give Heisey, Sappelt, or even Phipps a shot.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If Walt picks up Juan Pierre
I can finally come to a conclusion about whether I like him as a GM.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
I'll kill them.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Nov 1, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From your link
Did the Mariners not learn their lesson with Richie Sexson?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
bite your fucking tongue about Richie Sexson
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean I guess we still need a leadoff hitter....
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
how much time ya got, Mads?
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 4, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Do not taunt the old people, HLM
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 4, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
totally unappreciated comment
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
it's cool
Mads has done more cool shit and forgotten more cool shit than I’ll ever do
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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