Red Reposter - Staring out the window, waiting for Spring Training
Congrats to the Cardinals. As galling as it was to watch them dogpile on Friday night, you certainly have to give the players and organization credit for one of the most unlikely triumphs of both the regular season and playoffs. At some point I recalled how the Reds' 2010 division championship was given short shrift because of a poor record against the league's traditional heavyweights, like St. Louis (6-12). Well, this year they succeeded in getting the upper hand against the Cardinals (9-6), and they also played the Brewers to a respectable draw (8-8). I would gladly trade a worse record against those teams for a 35-10 whoopin of Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Houston.
- Keith Law (Insider) scouts Aroldis at the AFL
Law reports that Aroldis Chapman looked great in his first outing thanks to his fastball but much less so in his second, when his slider didn't have much bite. Chapman threw just one change-up during the two appearances. He's got one more start today before heading to winter ball for more work as a starer. - Foster, Marty reflect on 1975 Series
Mark Sheldon talked to George Foster and Marty Brennaman after Game 6 to get a sense for what might be going on in the Rangers' minds. Marty had some interesting memories about Sparky, the eternal pessimist: "The players were very confident they would win Game 7 but Sparky was not... [Scout Ray Shore] and Sparky stayed up until 5 am talking and Sparky was convinced they would lose. He was scared to death after the way they lost Game 6. But the players were unflappable. You don’t hoot and holler that, especially with the way they lost, but they were sure they would win the seventh game." - Erardi - Comparing LaRussa, Sparky
Sparky was the only manager to win 3 championships split between the two leagues. After St. Louis' win, there are now two. John Erardi sets the record straight on who's the true innovator of modern bullpen usage, but he also doesn't deny TLR's his accolades. More importantly, he wants to know if the Reds can identify the next great manager: "Who is the young Turk out there who is destined to be the next Anderson/La Russa? I hope the Reds have already identified such a firebrand, not in anticipation of things going bad, but because that is what good organizations do: They are ahead of their competition when it comes to identifying the best talent, even where there might not be an immediate need." I'm sure St. Louis has given this some thought as well - TLR's been on a series of one-year contracts recently, and the combination of his health issues and roster flux means that his resignation should not come as a complete surprise. I'm thinking Jose Oquendo gets promoted and names the Sklar Brothers as his first and third base coaches. - The greatest Catcher ever
In the afterglow of the World Series, TLR made a throwaway comment about Yadier Molina being the best catcher in baseball history. That's fired up the Enquirer's Reds Blog - "And the Earth officially became flat again" - but I fail to see the big deal in some meaningless post-championship puffery. - If the Cardinals' championship has left a bitter taste in your mouth,
there's always nicotined-flavor nostalgia.
- SBN's Ultimate Off-Season Survival Guide
If hanging onto every hot stove rumor isn't your thing, Wendy Thurm has you covered. Speaking of covers, she's included a note on Bronson Arroyo's album Covering the Bases. I don't care when Devin Mesoraco sees his shadow, this is going to be a long winter. - Sheldon summarizes the contract situations
With actual baseball out of the way, the hot stove has officially started. Eligible players have already filed for free agency, including Ramon Hernandez, Edgar Renteria, and Dontrelle Willis. Sheldon speculates that the options on both BP and Cordero "are expected to be either picked up at the very least or re-worked into a multi-year deals." I don't know if Cordero's return is a forgone conclusion. In fact, I'll be disappointed if he's back - not because he's a bad pitcher, but because it means the Reds didn't use the salary towards a frontline starting pitcher. - More business - new CBA on the way
Buster Olney (Insider) reports that MLB and the Union are close to finalizing the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, which teams want in place before free agency starts up. A hard slotting system for the draft doesn't appear to be in place, but "there is talk of a draft tax through which teams that spend more than set amounts in their respective draft caps would have to pay a penalty. There also has been discussion about extra picks being given to low-revenue teams."
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Crank up the hot stove, its Trade Time!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Winter Meetings can't come soon enough.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
FTFY
Crank up the hot stove, its time to hamstring the team by re-signing old guys about to fall off a cliff instead of making real moves to shore up the team!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Oct 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
the reds have the chips to make a real deal
How many reds in the system would you consider untouchable?
Aroldis. Prob Mesoraco and Cueto.
Everyone else is fair game, id say.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, yes
Ydgi Grandonso, ambidextrous pitching prospect out of the Dutch West Indies. He might fetch something on the trade market.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah, that guy!
Ydgi “Berra” Grandonso!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cueto
and maybe Aroldis
the rest can go in the proper deal
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand this for Atlanta, but not Cleveland.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland's really mixing it up in early hot stove action
Two years a go, I wouldn’t have believed they’d chuck Grady Sizemore. Or, for that matter, give his $9M (plus another $1M) to Derek Lowe.
Sizemore is pretty hobbled at this point. And maybe the idea is to have impeccable infield defense behind those ground ball pitchers, with potential for Lowe to fall back on being a highly effective, expense set up man.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
With Masterson and Carmona
they now have three of the top seven groundballers. I’m not sure how Chiz and Kipnis are with the gloves, but you have to hope for their sake that they know what they are doing out there.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Chisenhall is supposed to be a bat-first guy
FWIW, the team’s Defensive Efficiency (raw and park adjusted) last year was below average, and that was with a fairly decent OF.
And the Indians are only paying $5 mil of Lowe's salary
I like that deal.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, and its the Braves that are eating the 10 million.
At least it wasn’t the Reds who traded for him…although this does now preclude any chance of my oft-mentioned Tim Hudson trade.
Oh well. Nothing like putting all of our collected candy into the James Shields pumpkin.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Timely metaphor!
Halloween high five!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is that tiny pirate shaking hands with a chicken finger?
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
God, I wish that was a finger.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 31, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, OK
I read that the wrong way. That makes a lot more sense.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
an absolute steal by CLE
Good for them. The rest of the sports teams up there are unwatchable.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure $5 million for a soon to be 39 year old Lowe is a "steal."
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
check back in a year
It will prove to be well north of “defensible”.
#ashlowelovechild
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys are so cute, like an old married couple.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
x
The earth is round.
—nycredsfan
Uh, flat?
—Ewok
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
x
Water is wet.
— Ewok
Except in some cases, where it’s more advantageous not to be.
— nycredsfan
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Oct 31, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is a funny comment.
Like OBWOK has ever said anything remotely as sincere and cut and dry as that.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
If you think it's so funny you should rec it!
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Flag'd for rec-whoring.
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by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And you've never said anything as universally-agreed-upon as "The earth is round."
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Only I am round! The Earth looks flat to me!

A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 31, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited for it
so that when they get shut out, I can say:
O? Que?!? Do!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Sunday Night Football
showed clips of the Cards’ parade, claiming it was the city’s reaction to the Rams finally winning a game. Guess it’s been a banner week in St. Louis all around.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The Rams not only beat the Saints, A.J. Damned Feely was their starting QB when they did it
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Mizzou beat A&M, Sporting KC beat FC Dallas
I’ve never seen one state so roundly defeat another.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Aramis Ramirez opted out
He turned down a 1 year, 16M deal with Chicago. Bold move.
Sabathia also opted out of his deal, which is probably nothing more than brief interruption of his Yankee career.
The Yankees will definitely overpay.
Without CC their rotation starts to look very scary.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty scary even with him
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I know.
I think it is awesome.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Would anyone here sign Aramis for 2 yrs/$24 million with a mutual option for a third year?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Do you always answer a question with another question?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I wouldn't
He’s gonna be 34 and has had some fairly serious injuries in two of the last three years. He’s also not an asset defensively. I’d much rather use the money for pitching, or if Yonder is traded for a real LF.
Nope. 3B isn't really the most pressing need.
Plus he’s an asshole.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I might
We need a 3B, but we don’t have that kinda coin to afford that deal
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
“$16M? But I have to live in Chicago part of the time? And play for the Cubs? For an entire year?”
I guess it’s a calculated risk that probably nets him more money over the next five years or so. He can get his last big contract, which might pay him only a few less million in 2012 salary, rather than risk injury and/or extreme regression in 2012 and make less money over the remainder of his career.
I wonder how much that telegraphs to teams about his confidence over his health next season or whether it would be read just as much as “I don’t want to stay in Chicago for a rebuilding team that might trade me somewhere without my say in the matter.”
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The weakness of the 3B FA class might also have something to do with it
Betemit, Blake, DeRosa, Tejada, etc.
Aw shit
I was kind of excited to not have to see Larussa so much next year but he’s going to be the newest analyst for some network, isn’t he?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
He's going to want me to stand up on my desk too isn't he?
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
walt has put out feelers to TLR on behalf of FSO
Word is the smartest manager is interested in working with joel, the smartest stat guy!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally I think he will be the darkhorse candidate the GOP has been hoping would emerge.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Too legit.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 31, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll know about BP and Cordero's options by the end of the day, possibly late
BP is getting exercised regardless of whether there’s a deal in place, but I think it’s a real possibility they pick up Cordero’s too. That would be a terrible move, even if they intend to rework his contract.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
insert Charlie Brown Great Pumpkin "Good Grief" pic here...
Stupid RR mobile…
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sign Coco to a one yr deal
I like his intensity.
I hope the Reds accumulate more fiesty or wacky relievers, they seem to perform better than their “normal” counterparts.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that's an option
unless it’s for $12M or Cordero really, really wants to return to Cincinnati.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I say sign him to a 6 year deal.
When he gets too old to pitch, he can mentor the young guys and walk around the clubhouse naked, lightening the mood.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
he's too much of an asset to the community to let him go.
sign him for 10 more years!
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
that was some mighty fine troll-baitin'!
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Weber nods in agreement
then goes into his windup, nods again, then throws an 85-mph fastball.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I don't think I could handle Coco's option being picked up.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Maloney just got traded to Minnesota, not sure for whom...
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
oh, noes
Justinarian must be crushed.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And the toasters and hair dryers.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 31, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
quick!
Someone hide all sharp objects within Justissarian’s reach!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
stoke that hot stove walt
Maloney seemed like a nice guy but a change of scenery may help. Godspeed, Matt.
Not sure if the Black Keyes hit Minneapolis as much as Louisville.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ROFL
God I love your cluelessness sometimes.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Oh, I got it all right
I was commenting on his misspelling of “Black Keys” by posting a picture of former presidential candidate (and black man) Alan Keyes.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just say
That picture has a different well known usage on the internet.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
you find the most random shit
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the black keyes are misspelled for the reason edgard is
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"You must be this tall to ride the Silverstone."
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Oct 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because this site is populated by complete imbeciles?
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by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Hey jch, guess who just proved you wrong?
And you’ve never said anything as universally-agreed-upon as “The earth is round.”
- jch
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
who is the Head Imbecile In Charge?
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In Charge? I'm gonna have to say Charles
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
x

Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Oct 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Another possibility with Cordero
He’s a Type A free agent. They could decline his option and offer him arbitration.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
He'd probably accept.
He likes Cincinnati and he’d get a raise.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see him getting more than $12 million in arbitration
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
He probably wouldn't get that much either.
He’d be compared to other closers, and while he’s been decent in comparison, he’s also been one of the most expensive.
$8-10 mil through arb is more likely, which is still too much.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
does age factor into the arb process?
because I would be afraid of Cordero garnering a raise if he accepts arbitration due to his high saves and low ERA in 2011.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I'm sure he'd get his raise.
You almost never see a player take a cut in pay in arbitration. But, you could, and should, see it happen to Volquez this year.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are 2 different cases
pre-FA arb (like Volquez) a player can’t have a pay decrease, but for a post FA arb case like Cordero’s they can. It’d be up to the arbitrator, and it’d be hard to argue in the current financial climate, that Cordero has been worth #12 million a year.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I thought they were judged the same.
In either case pay could be decreased, but by no more than 20%. But, I’m sure you know more about it then me.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't say that to him, please
We just finished widening the doorways at the RR Compound so he could fit his head through. :)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Oct 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But...
You told me that was so we could install the slip n’ slide? We are still getting a slip n’ slide, right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it have a kiddie pool full of cocaine at the end?
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
throwback!

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Oct 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too, all the time
Do you have any idea how hard it is too hit somebody that small with an empty beer can?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Of course we are, buddy
Of course we are. (tousles hair)
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You're not Tom Hanks.
You had me at meat tornado. ~ Ron Swanson
by BigBabyBruce on Oct 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
/running away
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh……..
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I know more about it THAN you.
/If OBWOK is the resident troll, I’m the resident asshole’d
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by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But I thought Gray is the resident grammar nazi?
or has he since moved out?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
all this resident talk....
insert bad doctor joke
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 31, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying this is a good idea
because he’d still get more than the Reds should pay him if he accepted. But he wouldn’t be getting a raise on what he made in 2011.
If the Reds want to overpay him for one year, this is the way to do it. If he really wants a multiyear contract, then the Reds could get compensation picks in the draft (depending on who ended up signing him).
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on how they handled Rhodes, I think the FO sees arbitration as too risky
And I can see where they’re coming from. There’s not many arbitration comps for FA-eligible closers, and the guys that do hit FA usually get big deals.
I could see an arbitration panel looking at Coco’s saves and saying “how are you going to cut this guy’s pay?”
The timing of the Maloney trade is interesting
though I’m not sure it means anything, because any number of things could happen. The 40-man is now at 37 (with Cordero and BP included), with Soto almost certainly getting a spot sometime before November 19. I’m guessing they want to decide on Hernandez and Willis before then.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I'm hoping they re-sign Willis for the bullpen.
FanGraphs has a writeup on him today showing he still is highly effective against LHBs.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I think they did it to make room for Hanley Ramirez and Josh Johnson
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Who will then be traded for Adrian Gonzalez & Mark Texiera
We will then pick up Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols in Free Agency.
We trade Bruce, Stubbs, & BP for Miguel Cabrera
The end goal being a team made up entirely of 1st Basemen.
Votto – 1B
Pujols – 2B
Fielder – 3B
Adrian Gonzalez – SS
Mark Texiera – RF
Miguel Cabrera – CF
Alonso – LF
This team would definitely lead the league in runs scored and runs allowed!
It's possible it's nothing more than a waiver claim
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by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That could also be
But they wanted to get him off the 40-man just the same. If it was revocable waivers, they could have pulled him back. If he was being outrighted, they definitely wanted him off the 40-man.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure revocable waivers is over.
That’s only in August. The rest of the year it’s only irrevocable. I could be wrong about that.
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by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is confusing
The current waiver period goes until November 10, but I think it might only be revocable from August through the end of the season.
So if the Reds hadn’t secured waivers on Maloney in August, then they may have been trying to get him through waivers so they could remove him off the 40-man and assign him.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Cozart will get a spot before Nov. 19 as well
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I factored that in
It was 38 with Cozart, who I think has to join the 40-man at the conclusion of the season. Now it’s 37 minus Maloney.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming the return does not have a major league contract.
I mean, well, I tried to type it with a straight face, but yeah.
by Eastwindquinn on Oct 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, okay
I do find it odd that they have not activated Cozart yet. A lot of teams have cleared their DLs already. And the Reds did activate Rolen as soon as the season ended.
As I understand it, Cozart will have to be added before Nov. 19, or he could be taken via Rule 5. They won’t risk that.
But I wonder if they are keeping his roster spot open as long as possible. Perhaps to stash players in hopes of trading them rather than nontendering or outrighting them?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think he's already back on the 40-man
According to Cot’s, the rule is:
Once the season ends, a player on the 60-day disabled list must be reinstated to the 40-man roster or designated for assignment.
But they definitely could be trying to hold back on adding anyone (contract options, Rule 5 protection, etc.) if they think they can trade some guys. Which might mean Maloney was traded, not claimed.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's still listed as on the DL
Phipps is now on the roster, but Cozart is not.
Maybe they just forgot.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I would love a satin button-up jacket like Sweet Lou has in that picture
If they re-shoot Drive in Ohio, I’ll wear that with a bunch of Mr. Redlegs on it.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I saw a guy in Deer Park/Dillonvale a while back wearing one, it was majestic
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
i'm anxiously awaiting the Farewell Maloney Fanpost from Justissarian.
I can only hope its as sincere as the Haranga la vista he scripted 2 years ago.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i hope he gets shitfaced before typing that one up
Folks are always more sentimental when plowed.
Looks like maloney game used unis move to the discount rack for redsfest!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
alert the Twins' sbnation blog
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Oct 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I heard they included some bum named Cingrani.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait, so did Ramon go for pure free agency?
Did he at least reject arbitration? Or did the Reds get zilch for him?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
My guess is arbitration wasn't/won't be offered
Makes no sense why he wasn’t traded.
Dayman, Fighter of the Nightman, Champion of the Sun
He's a free agent automatically
And the Reds have 5 days of exclusive bargaining.
But they don’t have to offer arb until Nov. 23rd. We’re posting a calendar on the sidebar with some of these deadlines.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me see if I understand you correctly,
Let’s say those 5 days pass. Hernandez starts talking with, say, the Diamondbacks, and is ready to sign a 3-year 25-million dollar contract with them. This is figured out on November 20th. The Reds can offer arbitration after that fact, and then make the Diamondbacks sign the contract and give up the draft picks?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I think that's how it works
which is why most teams won’t sign FA’s until they know whether or not they will have to give up picks for them.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that sounds strange.
I mean, I guess it makes sense, because otherwise you’d have lots of under-the-table bargaining which would be very difficult to police. But it still sounds weird, at least to me.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I'm not completely sure about it
but I think this was the situation with Affeldt a few years ago. The Reds had yet to offer him arb, but he signed with the Giants so the Reds got a pick anyway.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think if I team really wants to get a jump on a ranked FA
before the deadline, they just have to see it as a PTBNL.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and for a big name FA the draft pick isn't considered a big deal
For a lower-rung Type A, it could be the difference between whether an offer is extended.
There might be more wrinkles to it
There are restrictions on what information can be shared, though that’s to prevent collusion. In that example, I’m sure the D-Backs would try to keep their interest and the terms of the contract under wraps.
But I don’t think most teams would pursue ranked free agents until after the 23rd.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Bootsy, you're a superstar right?"
"Twinkle, twinkle, babble."
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 31, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yippeeeeee!
m_sheldon Mark Sheldon
Heard Chapman did not make AFL start today because of arm soreness. Will update when I know more. #reds
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
"Make him pitch through it!"
-Dibble
by DerekH91 on Oct 31, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
more
johnfayman John Fay
Chapman was scratched from today’s start in Ariz w/ shoulder stiffness. Jocketty says it’s not serious. Chapman may throw next week #reds
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
more:
Dr. Kremchek’s Haloween costume

"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Oct 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cordero's option was declined, sleep well RRs
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that's a bit of a surprise
Teh Fay thought it would be picked up.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And Fay is neeeeever wrong
/sarcasm
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the Fay has an update
I’ve got a call into Walt Jocketty — not sure if this means they’ve stopped talking with Cordero about an extension.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
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teh Fay is an idiot
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Oct 31, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yours is much funnier than mine.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And seizure-inducing!
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. ~Humphrey Bogart
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 31, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny graphic, but I disagree about your claim.
I defend him because I think he does a pretty good job overall and gives a ton of time to his readers. And people give him a hard time if he is wrong, but if he makes no conjecture at all then people criticize him for only reporting the company line.
by Cuetotally Amazing on Oct 31, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And in fairness, Sheldon thought the option would be picked up as well
Score one for the RR Groupthink!
I didn't think there was any chance in hell, but those close to the team thought it might be picked up which was weird
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
looks like they'll need a new Community Service presence
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call what the Bengals do Community Service
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Court-mandated community service is still community service!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From the Reds twitter account
Reds exercise Phillips’ 2012 option, decline Cordero’s option, outright Burton and Thompson. Maloney was claimed off waivers by the Twins.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
It's a credit to Justin that we ever believed Maloney was traded.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
by mdccclxix on Oct 31, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
all the players booted off the roster so far
have been pitchers. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t keep Maloney.
And he was the only one claimed off waivers, so there’s that.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
So BP's getting his 12 million?
Does that mean they didn’t succeed in signing him to a longer deal, or are they still working on that?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'm sure they will keep working at it
and if they can’t come to an accord, then so be it. I’m afraid he’s asking for Dan Uggla money (and with the season he just had, he has a good point), but if he is then the Reds need to move on. Sigh.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 31, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe instead of Dan Uggla money
Walt can hook him up with a Dan Uggla honey. I hear no cash changed hands!
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
by Cy Schourek on Oct 31, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. They can keep talking extension til next year if they want
This just guarantees he’s in Red next year.
Unlike Cordero, who can start talking to any other team on Friday.
#BeOurGuestCoco
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by nycredsfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
'nother update from teh Fay
The Reds could be in the market for a new closer.
The club declined the $12 million option on Francisco Cordero Monday. The sides will continue to talk, but there’s a chance Cordero will end up elsewhere.
"We didn’t want to bring him back at that salary," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "We’re still hopeful that we can reach a new deal, but this also gives him an opportunity to check the market."
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Cordero and the Reds would get a deal done.
"We were close," Jocketty said. "But it didn’t come together at the last minute."
On why Maloney & Co were removed from the roster:
Thompson, Burton and Maloney were out of options, i.e., they had to make the club or go through waivers to be sent to the minors.
"We’ve got some key young players we have to add to the roster," Jocketty said. "We needed to open the spots."
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
greatest catcher ever?
Neck-Tat wasn’t even the greatest catcher in that Series.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I read that as "neck-twat" and giggled like a school girl
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
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