Red Reposter - Trading Arroyo?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT
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PrintRany on the Royals sizes up the pitching market for the Royals
One of his targets is Reds' Señor del Barco, Bronson Arroyo. Here's what he says:
"While the Reds are nominally a contender, they would appear to be in good position to give up Arroyo for little more than salary relief, as they have Mike Leake, Johnny Cueto, Homer Bailey, Edinson Volquez and Travis Wood slated for their rotation. Arroyo is probably a little less risky than Burnett, but then his upside is that of a league-average innings eater. If the Reds picked up half his contract and settled for a Grade C prospect, I’d pick up the phone. But I’m not exactly eager to do business."
Until reading this, I had assumed the prospect of trading Arroyo was absolute zero. But Rany is a respected fella, and one that knows a thing or two, so maybe it's a little more than zero. The problem with moving Arroyo is that he's really not a payroll burden. The deferred money on his deal means he's only being paid $7 mil in '12 and $6.5 in '13. That's not chump change, but it's not like it's hamstringing the Reds. And if traded, the Reds would have to eat a significant salary salad to make it happen. He has $15 mil deferred on his deal, and I'd say the Reds would have to take responsibility for all of it, especially since that $15 mil deferment becomes an up-front bonus if he's traded. Of course, that could mean $6-7 mil of freed-up space this season to spend on a trade target like James Shields (who will make $7 mil next season. Hmmm).
The real upside to trading Arroyo right now is that it would free up a spot in the rotation for one of the younger, better pitchers. As Rany says, the Reds have Cueto, Homer, Volquez, Wood, Leake, and Chapman (and hopefully Shields) vying for rotation spots next year. Arroyo's salary (and his track record) grant him one of those spots, even if his performance doesn't. Again, the chances of moving Arroyo are slim to none and for a variety of reasons. But now that I think about it...
Aroldis Chapman will be going today for the Desert Dogs and throwing two innings
The plan is still for him to go three games in Arizona and a month in Puerto Rican winter ball so that he can build his arm up to five innings per outing. Also, on the injury front, Yasmani Grandal has a sore finger that is keeping him out of AFL play. Yonder Alonso had knee surgery after the season, but nothing major. He's working out in Florida now and doesn't plan on playing winter ball.
Yasmani Grandal talks about his injured finger
what he wants to accomplish in the AFL, how he learned catching, and how much easier it is to catch at higher levels.
MiLB.com interviews Reds' pitching prospect and 3rd round pick Tony Cingrani
Fair warning to OGCReds: you should change out of your school clothes before reading this one.
MLBTradeRumors gets to the Reds in their Offseason Outlook series
It's a thorough overview and worth the read. The only really new info though (at least, new to me) is that perhaps the Reds match up well with the White Sox for players like Gavin Floyd, John Danks, and Carlos Quentin. Floyd and Danks yes, Quentin no.
Good FayChat yesterday
He speculates that the top three most-likely-to-be-traded Reds are Yonder Alonso, Edinson Volquez, and Homer Bailey. He calls Travis Wood "the biggest disappointment of the year", and gives Paul Janish a 50/50 chance of being non-tendered.
Chad at RLN says he will never complain about Dusty Baker ever again
And curiously enough, it had nothing to do with Tony LaRussa's embarrassing series of gaffes in Game 5. No, Chad is most perplexed by Ron Washington's management during this Series. You know, he has a point. Neither gentleman has done much - if anything - to help his team win this thing.
HardBallTalk compares the pre-season projections of the top 2nd basemen
with their actual results. The projections of this bunch were all really close, aside from Dan Uggla who performed well under expectations. Here's what they said about Brandon Phillips, who beat his projected OPS by 29 points: "Phillips turned in his best offensive season since 2007, but since the Reds as a whole were a disappointment, it didn’t result in 100 runs or RBI."
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I would be so happy if they could get out from under Arroyo's contract
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
If they want to trade him, now or early in the season is the best time
His 10/5 veto rights are about to vest. Also, per Cot’s the deferred money gets paid up front if he’s traded, so it’s highly likely that the Reds would have to eat money to trade him. If they can use some savings to get a better SP, then I’m all for it. But I’m not sure if the team is better off without him next year. I’m optimistic he can solve or at least appreciably suck less against lefties.
what, exactly, do 10/5 rights entail?
it’s basically a no-trade, right?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
This would be the year to do it
Scrabbles and I just discussed this offline (which was online), but I hadn’t realized that Arroyo was short of 10 years service time (he’s at 9.1), so despite 2012 being his 7th season with the Reds he doesn’t have a no-trade until after the coming season. Unfortunately, he’s coming off his worst year and one of the worst years put in by a regular starter in the NL in recent years.
Maybe he could be traded at the deadline as more than just a salary dump.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Jinx?
He has 9 years, 150 days service time per Cot’s. I think but can’t confirm that the next year vests at around 175 days. I know that 10/5 rights can vest in the middle of a season.
Oh boy
If they wanna trade him, they have to do it this winter. Which means they won’t. Which might be okay.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to be decisive!
I agree though. The deferred money becoming due immediately means the Reds would definitely have to pick up a lot of money, which makes it far from a slam dunk that it’d be worth it.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I have a feeling that the whole deferred money becoming up front clause in the contract
was put in with the assumption that they’ll all but definitely be holding onto Arroyo for the length of the contract. That’s a helluva hurdle for trade talks.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
His stock couldn't be lower
And he’s owed about $23M over two seasons if he’s traded, so I think you’re right.
But if you think Arroyo has flatlined, it would be worth it to clear at least enough space to pay his replacement (probably at league minimum) and hopefully make room for that pitching Messiah.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you settle for leather and a pole smoke?
I heart Man Mounting.
by Gay Jesus on Oct 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cot's has him at 8.150
which must not be updated. But I guess that means 150 days, not 0.15 of a year. Baseball reference has him at 9.150, so I think Cot’s is a year behind.
It looks like it vests at 172 days. So Arroyo has 22 days in season (I don’t know how those days accrue exactly).
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it's days on the 25 man roster, (or is it 40 man?)
and it starts from opening day.
Or I could just be making that up.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I believe that's right
Fangraphs did an example for Michael Young last year.
OD is a little later next year (4/6). So the 10/5 should vest some time in the 4-20s for Arroyo, which I guess is appropriate.
I just looked at that same article
I’ll mark it on my calendar, next “figure out what all this 4/20 business the kids are talking about.”
That’s not a lot of time to bounce back. I think they’re stuck with him, unless the salary they could clear would really be the linchpin to some big deal.
2 seasons isn’t an eternity, though it might start to seem like it if he continues to make every start no matter what.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
We're in some kind of weird lockstep
Except I think I’m a step behind.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The life of a manager
And if BP really wants to match Dan Uggla’s status does that mean he has to bang Bibi Jones?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Oct 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’d do it!
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh boy
I just GIS’d that person. I…uh…shouldn’t have done that at work.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Red Reporter: "I...uh...shouldn't have done that at work."
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
by mdccclxix on Oct 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
pfff
only the cool kids get a site exception at work
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 29, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You'd think you would learn not to do something like that when it's me, silly
Here’s a link that’s SFW but will gross you out.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
that is NSFanywhere.
ew.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
that's disgusting
He’s littering!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Say what you want about her,
she has a hell of an agent, getting in the news twice in one slow news week.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I so badly want the Reds to sign Buehrle.
Then trade Phillips and Bailey for Danks and Morel.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
What?
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Oct 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not done yet, hang on:
Cueto
Buehrle
Leake
Danks
Arroyo
AAA:
Chapman + Mesoraco + Wood = Hanley
Heisey/Sappelt
Bruce
Hanley
Votto
Rolen
Alonso
Cozart 2b
Hanigan
P
Lecure CL
No Masset
everyone else
Payroll 90 mil + 5 in Arroyo deferment
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
Ah, if only real life were like MLB: The Show
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Oct 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No danks
Is Morel supposed to eventually hit? Because he’s been pretty bad so far. And Danks would be a one-year meh rental.
Forget Morel then and instead of Bailey, say Maloney or someone lesser.
Danks would be a great upgrade I think and perhaps could be signed to an extension.
Never say "TRADE VOTTO"
Danks would definitely be an upgrade
probably be our #2 starter out of deference to Cueto
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
So I get that intentional walks are generally bad, but Texas has made them pay off so far
I think a combination of a hot Pujols and cold (and possibly gimpy) Holliday makes the IBB a fair consideration. Washington’s looking pretty good to me.
Translation: Texas has been lucky so far.
"Good luck, National League managers – I have no idea how you’re supposed to get this guy out." - Dave Cameron on Joey Votto
by Grahamophone on Oct 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Usually anyone that's good has been at least a little lucky
I just don’t agree that they’ve succeeded in spite of the IBBs or other Washington blunders. IBBs are like bunting – in the aggregate they’re bad, but in the right situation it makes sense.
Definitely. And if there's any time to issue an IBB, it's to Pujols with a struggling Holliday behind him.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
If it's a pressure situation and 1B is open, walk him every time
If Pujols and Holliday are performing at their average level, who is more likely to beat you?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
If Holliday is at normal strength, I probably don't IBB Pujols because it's not worth the risk of the extra run
If there are less than two outs I definitely don’t order it.
Yeah, I tried to say this but this site hates me right now.
The clincher is that Holliday is clearly struggling with his finger injury.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
bad news cincinnatians
high demand for yuengling in other parts of the state has delayed the debut date in cincinnati.
#dang
Yet another reason to hate Cleveland
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
We have mountains of it here in the cap city
Every store I walk into has a display stacked 20 feet high with it. I haven’t bought a case yet, though. Just haven’t felt like it yet.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because you've been drinking the good stuff
Sapphire & Tonic > Yuengling
by 'tHan on Oct 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
About 96% of all beer > Yuengling
It feels so nice to be back to normal
by nycredsfan on Oct 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everything he's ever posted is hyperbole
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Funny how I've also always been 100% right too
Not to mention completely awesome.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
And with that attitude, you never will
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
omfg
best.reply.ever.
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 29, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
But summer is over now, so no more G&Ts. I’m gonna need some beer to get me through the cold times.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
They're in the 7-11's here
Cheap beer, been around forever
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
This happens quite often, actually.
The market for beer upstate is greater than it is down here in Hamilton County. The chain of beer bars called the Winking Lizard has the Ohio beer distributors by the balls due to the volume of business they do. A lot of times when a new beer hits the market they tell the distributors that they want exclusivity for 2 weeks before it hits the shelf anywhere else. The distributors oblige because they don’t want to piss off one of their best customers, and we here in SW Ohio get shit on. I’m not sure if this is the case with Yuengling or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised. My favorite bartender, Peanut from the Dilly Deli, sums it up best:
“Fuck Cleveland.”
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
oh, and not to mention
Lagunitas is available in every county in Ohio except Hamilton and Butler.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Lagunitas is some tasty stuff
this place I frequent in Simsbury goes thru a keg every other night
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 29, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Peanut is the man
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 29, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
more proof that OH is full of idiots
I’m glad I got out when I did :)
miss you guys ;)
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 29, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to discuss Bibi Jones some more
Why did the Patriots guy feel the need to apologize?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
I saw this comment elsewhere and had to share.
Rob Gronkowski = Tight end
BiBi Jones = Wide receiver
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, there's a good chance Bibi has been on the Nasty Hook
She served as an agent’s arm candy last year. The agent is Terry Bross, who has a prominent client in the Reds’ rotation.
"While she wasn't expected to have sex with players, Jones slept with "over 10" guys, a "couple" of whom she believes signed with Bross."
Bross pitched in the big leagues for awhile in the early 90s, and now represents players like Bronson Arroyo, Brian Anderson, Bill Hall, DJ Carrasco, and Uggla for GSM.
There is ZERO PERCENT chance that Bronson hasn’t taken a dip in her pool.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
by jch24 on Oct 27, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't be the only one who finds this story fascinating
and as someone said at the SBNation mothership, it has some serious implications for recruits and college athletes in general.
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I don't see how it would relate to college athletes and recruits, did I miss something?
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
it was referred to on some site
basically, sex is a great way to get a college kid, and doesnt leave the paper trail money or cars do.
Did you hear that that Miami booster paid for hookers’ abortions?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
Terry Bross
there’s gotta be a nerdy “NPR’s Fresh Air with Terry Gross” bro pun here, but I’m not finding it
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
good! Just moved to San Diego.
holding down the fort here?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
You rube
Good to see you back, pal.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks buddy! good to be back
let’s get that hot stove a-burnin’
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
It was this picture, right?
There wasn’t something more explicit that they’re not showing, correct?
If so, common.
That’s the least graphic picture I’ve ever seen a controversy over.
Fire Caldwell.
That's the pic, there's another but it's about the same
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
it's the exact same, only he's got a shirt on in the other one.
Pretty benign if ya ask me.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 27, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think pics are the reason for the controversy
It’s the sex. Specifically, the prospect of paid sex.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 27, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
She gets paid to perform in a physically taxing profession, he gets paid to perform in a physically taxing profession
I doubt there’s ANY way he paid to have sex with her. She has a thing for athletes.
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Sure
It’s not difficult to convince me of that. But everyone who is making this a story is apparently not buying that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 28, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Because people equate pornography with prostitution
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
They're both lying to cover their asses
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Totally. When a public figure claims they didn't have sex with someone, I always believe them.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
having heard several interviews with bibi jones on howard stern
i don’t think she’s the type to lie about not having sex with someone.
not that it matters anyway
even if they did have sex, it’s not like they filmed it & posted the video on twitter.
the whole story is dumb
I know. I don't care whether they had sex or not.
I just like that picture.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
dude's got some abs, geez
The ends justify the means
by Highlifeman21 on Oct 29, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Fay bringing the topical humor in his chat.
Answering a question about trading Votto:
johnfay: Walt was pretty vehement about not trading him. Now, if the Raiders offer two first-rounders, he may change his mind.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Anyone else on the mobile site?
I can neither see nor write in a subject line. Looking through the thread, if someone only wrote in the subject line, all that shows up is their name in red w/no response.
While posting, there’s not even a box for the subject.
I’m using a blackberry, so it may just be a RIMM issue (again!), but I was just wondering.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Use the full site version.
Mobile sucks sweaty assholes.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Awwwww yeahhh
“He has a really smooth delivery,” Forsch noted. “It is deceptive, but as smooth as it is, it’s quick, too. The ball gets on the hitter a lot sooner than they think. He has some real talent. He wasn’t really challenged this year … it seemed pretty easy for him. I hope to watch him on TV, let’s put it like that. I have seen a lot of young pitchers come up, and he has some natural ability.”
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
What he said
Far too many fans are throwing home run balls back onto the field, copying a stupid tradition started by Cubs fans. Why anyone would happily copy a tradition begun by baseball’s ultimate losers is beyond me. But just as The Wave did three decades ago, this trend has inexplicably and disturbingly spread around the country to other teams.
It’s lost on most people that this started at Wrigley, which should be reason enough not to do it.
So, so, so, so true.
But I didn’t read the whole article, which seemed a little long for “throwing home runs back is stupid don’t do it”
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
It's about a SMU student who threw back Pujols' third homer the other night
Her parents were all like “we coulda sold that for tuition” and she was all “but I’m a real fan!”
more fun with TLR
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
by -ManBearPig on Oct 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Not 7 innings, 1 hit, 12 strikeouts?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Sounds like shutdown reliever stuff to me
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
That's really true
Every time a pitcher throws one good inning, we should make them a closer, because “why risk it?”
It feels so nice to be back to normal
FWIW
He ended up throwing 1.2 IP, 1 H, 1K, 1BB, 1 ER.
But the run came after he was pulled (probably a pitch count thing) and the next guy promptly gave up a double.
I mean, whatever. He’s just down there throwing pitches to live hitters. If we don’t get worked up about Spring Training stats, we definitely shouldn’t get worked up about AFL stuff either.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
Yup.
This is like saying how he looks during long toss.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 27, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
fuckin' awesome.
He throws 112mph in long toss…that is, unless he feels like throwing it over the big scoreboard in LF, which he CAN do.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 27, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we won't be able to say anything definitive about his readiness until he's made another half-season of starts
at AAA – or possibly in the majors if he makes the team out of camp.
But I don’t think his control can be completely written off, once there’s more of a sample. He’s getting work in, but he’s also presumably trying to throw strikes. I would assume the top priority over the offseason is working on his command. There’s no reason not to attack hitters, even while he’s trying out new pitches or holding back a little on his fastball.
I don’t expect him to have any better command after 2.2 innings in the AFL, especially while he’s trying a new mix of pitches, but if he’s throwing 50% strikes near the end of spring training, he’s probably not ready to join the rotation.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I'm saying you can toss out the stats
but it’ll be a red flag if he isn’t getting more precise with his fastball and slider.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 27, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
If, the week before the regular season starts, he isn’t able to locate his fastball or slider, I’ll pay attention (even then, I won’t be worried. No one expects him to be a finished product in April). Until then, whatevs.
The fact that they have a clear plan to develop him as a starter is all I’m worried about at this point.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
i'm glad you said that
i’ve noticed that RR gets a front page post every time chapman takes a trip to the restroom
He's just getting stretched out for next year
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
You missed the dick joke that was embedded in my comment
"Wait, you think I'm being mean to the pretend orangutan?" -- battlekow
Even though Bronson's getting long in the tooth...I'd not trade him and keep Volquez.
As far as Yonder getting traded…ain’t gonna happen. Joey Votto will bolt the second that his contract is up. The Reds will not be able to afford him. Gots to keep Alonso around for another year.
Walt make make some big deals this winter but I hope that they involve guys like Votto, BP, Rolen and Massett.
Scott Roland should retire tomorrow.
Absolutely no way he deals Votto, BP, or Rolen
0% chance. Masset, like 5%.
expectations are premeditated resentments - cheshirecat
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