Aroldis Chapman's Rotational Velocity
In Mark Sheldon's Reds.com notebook, he quotes Walt Jocketty as saying Chapman's transition to starting again "was the plan all along -- give him one more year in the bullpen and then stretch him out." Given the talk last offseason, it's a little hard to swallow that this has been a long-term vision - or one that was widely agreed-upon. But Chapman's shipping off to Instructional League Friday and we're all better for it.
When Chapman was signed, the Reds committed to him a minimum of $30.25M (spread over 10 years), including $8M over the next two seasons ('12-'13) and potentially $3M on top of a arbitration raise in 2014. Teams shouldn't be entrapped by money that cannot be unspent, but the kind of outlay and accounting ju jitsu the Reds unleashed, at the very least, spoke to Chapman's incredible upside. Still just 23, with only a half-season of starting in AAA under his belt, the only sane move is to give the fastest thrower in radar gun history another trial. Reds Country, baseball history, fans of stuff cool stuff happening and Chapman himself deserve the chance.
It's hard to know what to expect from Chapman the Starter in 2012. He's pitched just 63.1 major league innings to 108.2 in the minors - 13 of which were a rehab outing. Add it up - or rather, cobble it together - and it's the rough-hewn, numerical equivalent of a season of starting pitching. Yet only 13 starts comprise those 172 innings, which also marked the very beginning of Chapman's pro career. Given the size and context of the sample, we might throw the numbers out entirely. But observational scouting, combined with Chapman's statistical tendencies shown over his entire pro career may be more informative.
At the simplest level, Chapman is a pitcher who has been defined be the three true outcomes: high strikeouts, high walks, almost no home runs. In fact, you can list the major leaguers who have hit home runs of Chapman on one-half of one hand: Albert Pujols and Luke Scott (a tiny, but controversial group).
| Team | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | H/9 |
| Cincinnati | 12.8 | 6.5 | 0.3 | 4.7 |
| Louisville (AAA) | 12.0 | 4.8 | 0.6 | 7.6 |
Chapman's MLB walk rate was thrown out of whack to an extent by his yip session, yielding 12 BBs across 4 outings (1.1 IP) in late April and May this season. (They were real, but they were also an anomaly. Chapman never walked more than two in an appearance the rest of the season.) Still, Chapman's control problems are clearly his most urgent concern as a pitcher to date. Just 40.7% of his base runners have reached base via hit against Chapman.
These tendencies are, of course, colored by the fact that Chapman has spent all of his time in the majors as a relief pitcher. Stretch him out again and he'll almost certainly become more hittable out of the necessity to pace himself.
Here are five common criticisms I noticed from observers who watched Chapman makes starts in the first half of 2010 for the Bats:
- Wildness
- Problems with pacing and stamina, leading to drop-off in velocity
- Lack of meaningful secondary stuff beyond his slider
- Strategic difficulties with pitch selection and game-planning
- Inconsistent mechanics
So it's reasonable to assume Chapman's #1 priority to work on in the off-season is control - the need, if not to eliminate wildness, then to become "effectively wild." But his control will have a complex interaction with the other elements of his game: pitch repetoir, pacing, mechanics and game plan. As his 2011 numbers might suggest, if Chapman can stay in the strike zone, it's going to be very difficult to get on base - let alone get multiple bases - off him.
His stuff will only remain effective in the zone if he can maintain his velocity, which also keeps hitters' timing out of whack when he throws his slider. And he'll only be able to keep his velocity high if he can pace himself. Of course, pacing himself - and deceiving hitters over 100 pitch outings - requires a different approach than throwing a fastball 75% of the time and a slider the rest. Chapman threw a changeup 5% of the time in 2011. He's going to have to work that pitch to greater effect as a starter and possibly add a fourth one for show. It also requires consistent mechanics, which will be challenge by fatigue, to bolster the deception.
It's all very complicated. I'm going to plead ignorance on which problems above can be significantly addressed in the offseason - which is why I'm not a pitching coach, much less a coach any kind (although I do sit in coach).
For whatever it's worth, Randy Johnson - Chapman's lefty comp par excellence - struggled mightily with control through his Age 28 season, walking over 6 batters-per-nine in two straight seasons prior to his 303 strikeout season in 1993. It's going to take a while for Chapman to develop toward whatever his ceiling might be as a starter. If he starts next season in the majors, the Reds have Chapman under team control for five more seasons. He has time. And he has the raw ingredients to be an overpowering starter. To my mind, the only major realization in his two pro seasons is that he's not going to be Randy Johnson out of the box. Neither was Randy Johnson.
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Hopefully, Chapman becomes a good pitcher for the Reds!
They’re my favorite team!
by Brian B on Oct 11, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know this will surprise exactly no one
But I really think the regular schedule and regular bullpen days will help him tremendously.
It feels so nice to be back to normal
I'm surprised
Does that surprise you?
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This will also surprise exactly no one
I disagree.
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To complete the surprising no one trifecta
You are wrong.
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by nycredsfan on Oct 11, 2011 5:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I might be wrong, but I can gain knowledge and be right one day
You’ll always be ugly.
#SickBurn
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#sickretort
#waitasecond
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"Chapman has spent all of his time in the majors as a starting pitcher."
I don’t think that’s true.
The title is such a teaser. Can we develop a way to measure the rotational velocity of a pitch?
by Brian B on Oct 11, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes. Chapman had a spin rate on his fastball of 2,464 in 2011!
I don’t know what that means. Whatever it is, it was 500 more than Homer’s.
This post has had a tortured history in its young life
It was posted prematurely, then seemingly posted by itself just a little while a go. I don’t know if this is my very latest version at this point. But you’re right. Fixed above.
Mgr., Red Reporter
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I brought it out of purgatory a little bit ago
I figured the Reposter had enough time to breathe at the top of the page. Should I not have done that?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 11, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's fine
I just should have fixed a couple typos. I think I’ve got my final (or as final as it’s going to get) up there now.
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"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I've asked this before, but I don't fully understand Chapman's contract status
Does he still accrue service time if he spends a year in the minors, or does that delay his free agency?
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
The details of his contract that are public
give every indication that his service time/arb process is just like any other major league player not signed mid-career out of Japan. But I’ve never seen it explicitly stated.
I’m working under the assumption that if he spent half a year or more in the minors this year, the Reds would gain another year of control.
Mgr., Red Reporter
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
this could be true, timing and all that
If he does not have 6 years of service time before his contract is up (he shouldn’t), then the Reds will have another year of control on him. It will be a third year arb level, or something. I haven’t looked at the details so I forget all of the trickeration that goes on. Suffice to say, if he doesn’t have 6 years service time by the end of the contract, he will not be a free agent.
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Here is what Cot's Contracts says:
Aroldis Chapman lhp
6 years/$30.25M (2010-15)
signed by Cincinnati as an amateur free agent 1/11/10
$16.25M signing bonus ($1.5M at signing; $1.5M each Nov. 1, 2010-13; $1.25M each Nov. 1, 2014-20)
10:$1M, 11:$1M, 12:$2M, 13:$2M, 14:$3M, 15:$5M player option
Chapman must decide whether to accept or decline 2015 player option within 5 days after end of 2014 World Series
if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2012, $5M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2013, $3M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
Since he's already spent time in the minors, he won't reach FA after 2015
So the Reds will have at least one more year of control. Maybe two, if he spends a significant amount of time in Louisville.
FWIW
Everything I overheard all year was that Chapman was going to start in the future, likely in 2012. The plan that gets out in public is rarely ever THE plan, from what I’ve gathered.
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So Dusty will be fired?
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That explains why they had a losing season
despite saying publicly that the plan was to compete.
I imagined the Chapman situation generated some internal dissent during last off-season, but it’s possible that it was limited to Bavasi spouting off at an event. IIRC, there were a few things Jocketty said around that time that lent some creedence to believing Chapman could be the future closer – or at least that there was ambivalence on the subject. It also seemed possible that the decision was influence what, at some point, must have seemed like rotation depth.
But even if the pitching had been much better this season, Jocketty probably knew it was nutso to call it quits permanently after 13 starts.
Mgr., Red Reporter
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Unit as a comp is always going to be fraught.
I think a big question is “What is the lowest possibly acceptable outcome?”
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
2 World Series titles
Otherwise, why else are we doing this?
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Serious answer
I don’t think its realistic to assume you’ve signed a Hall of Famer. Those are unfair expectations for any young player. But, I’d hope that he can one day be a quality #2 starter at the very least. If he can’t become a consistent member of the rotation, then that would be a major failure.
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What if the other option was HOF closer?
by Eastwindquinn on Oct 11, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the third option, Unicorn
Which is about as rare as a HOF closer
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by nycredsfan on Oct 11, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I vote for Unicorn.
If nothing else, it’d probably be a good clubhouse influence.
Is there a mod so powerful he can ban himself?
I'm a Unicron apologist, myself
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I'm a Unitarian apologist
I’m just not sure what I’m apologizing for.
by poojols on Oct 11, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I apologize for the unicorn
My doctor says it shouldn’t last more than 4 hours.
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by Slyde on Oct 11, 2011 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
You're right
And the odds of him being Johnson are pretty slim. But to the extent that they’re similar, I think control issues in a young lefty with overwhelming velocity aren’t as big a red flag as they seem.
The problem is also that there are almost no lefty starter comps for Chapman, especially since his body of work is still slight, so you have to keep coming back to Johnson.
Mgr., Red Reporter
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
but, well, Jonathan Sanchez is a high-walk, high-K lefty
would we be happy with an 84 ERA+ in 100 innings?
"You said 'walks' twice."
"I like walks."
I think we'd be reasonably happy with a 97 ERA+
next year, which is what Sanchez has done over his career.
I could both be grossly overrating Chapman and making the parameters too tight for the comp, but it’s hard for me to group Chapman with Sanchez (at least not yet). Chapman has lived at the extremes so far in his career in velocity, and K, BB, HR and H/9 tendencies.
At peak, he throws faster than anyone in history. And his FB velocity, even as a starter, still probably sits where most pitchers can’t even top out. If you’re looking at 10+ K-rate and 5+ BB-rate in a season among lefty starters, it’s Koufax and Johnson.
I wouldn’t date equate Chapman with those two for a career projection, but I think the kind of pitcher Chapman occupies rarefied space, skill-wise.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
*dare
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming up, coming up, it's coming up
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What about David Price?
Not as much velocity, a little more HRs, a little less walks, a little less Ks.
Let a man come in and do the Popcorn.
I'm not sure if Chapman will ever have sub-3.0 (or even 4.0) BB/9 control
But I think a 107 ERA+ season as a starter in 2012 or 2013 would be a major breakthrough.
It’s pretty hard to say how Chapman’s DIPs would be affected by starting over a whole season, but I think it’s a good guess that his K-rate will be gaudier than the vast majority of starters.
Mgr., Red Reporter
"Every office I've been in, there has been a guy with weird scars that he needs to explain to you—'it was one of those old Xerox machines, with a lot of razors in it'... or a pale person with a novel of supernatural erotica that keeps getting left on the printer. Major League lineups need those guys, too." - David Roth
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 11, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So, per the Boston Herald...
Cubs close to hiring Epstein.
I think our window juuuuuust got a bit more shut.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 11, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Huh.
I don’t think this affects our two-year window. The Cubs have too many holes and too weak of a farm system to help in the short run.
This could really suck in the long run, but we’ll see. Theo’s got a great record in the draft and trades and a pretty lousy record with FA signings. If he brings his scouting director with him, that could really give Chicago a boost.
I fanposted this, too...
but what I meant was that the “trade Votto” idea that would open our window to 4ish years (under the umbrella of team control/signed contracts of Cueto, Bruce, Chapman, Alonso, whomever we received in a Votto trade) may now have shrunk to just the 2 year window we still have Votto.
Tequila and pancakes, anyone?
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 11, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just a move by the Cubs
…. to sell more beer in the clubhouse.
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yeah
It’s going to take awhile to make any real changes.
One thing they’ve been discussing in Boston and NY is how the Red Sox don’t seem to have a good international scouting/recruiting system. The Yankees get around their lousy draft picks that way, signing players like Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang overseas. The Sox must have an international presence, but it hasn’t been notably successful. I wonder if that was Theo’s doing or what.
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and by the time they do make the changes, they are too involved in the system to make any changes, so you gotta fire them
to bring somebody else with a fresh perspective to make changes.
Bubba’d.
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that's for managers
I think GMs need a longer timeline, because it takes so long for their plans to come to fruition. From what I can tell, changing GMs really makes a mess, in a way changing managers doesn’t.
I might even buy the theory that the Reds’ struggles were due to too much turnover in the GM department, not too little.
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Just means we need to get Francona
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