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Opening Day roster coming into focus

In or out? We'll know in 67 days, maybe even several hours earlier.

"I think I'm done,"-- Walt Jocketty, to Mark Sheldon.

With Renteria and Lewis signed to guaranteed contracts, the 2011 Opening Day 25-man roster stew now seems very unlikely to contain any additives from outside the organization. As John Fay observes, the list is nearly complete on the position player side of the equation. The infield is set: Votto, BP, Renteria, Janish, Rolen and Cairo. Four of the OF spots are locked down: Bruce, Stubbs, Gomes, Lewis; with Heisey and Hermida the likeliest candidates to take the fifth spot. 

If Aroldis Chapman is truly tagged to be the most fearsome set-up man in the history of the game, there's one less question mark for the pitching staff. All that likely remains is some shuffling around the margins.

Barring video game-induced offseason injuries, here are the three major battles for rosterhood coming this Spring (PT battles between those assured roster spots have not been considered):

Wood vs. Leake

I don't see any reason to think that Homer Bailey, without options, would be consigned to the bullpen or traded before Opening Day. Meanwhile, everything from the front office suggests that Chapman is going to be relieving. With some token entrees from Matt Maloney, Sam LeCure and a minor-league spring invite or two, it will likely be a two-headed race and rematch pitting last season's two spring finalists for the fifth spot.  

Advantage: Travis Wood. At first glance, this looks like a toss-up. Wood's entering his age 24 season, Leake his age 23. Both were major league rookies last year and threw solid half-seasons (using a selective endpoint for Leake). Of course, this obscures Wood's advantage in peripheral stats and rough equivalent of 5 and a half seasons spent honing his crafts in professional baseball. Mike Leake has yet to visit the minor leagues, thereby keeping his options intact.

Star-divide

Heisey vs. Hermida vs. The Field

Heisey played the role of 4th/5th/6th outfielder for a good portion of last season, setting a Reds rookie pinch-hit HR record in the process (4). Though he staggered out of the gate in Louisville and faded down the stretch at the MLB-level,  his ability to back-up in CF, provide plus defense and his potential improvement in hitting righties certainly bolster his case. Hermida's main advantage over Heisey: past MLB success over a full season and favorable platoon splits against right handed pitching, with a .267/.342/.432 career line.

And if someone's going to inherit the Miguel Cairo-Darnell McDonald Chair for Surprise Opening Day Roster Spot, it's likely to be here. Not sure if there will be any late minor league contracts dealt out in the next month in a half, but Laynce Nix remains unsigned at press time. Todd Frazier and Dave Sappelt were intriguing dark horse possibilities prior to the Fred Lewis signing.

Advantage: Chris Heisey. Though not by much. Heisey is defensively superior and gives Baker the true second CF he likes to have on hand.  While Heisey has options, Hermida is a  non-roster invite to spring training and there's currently no place for him on the 40-man roster. But Dusty could decide that Lewis is sufficient as a back-up.

Battle for the final bullpen spot

If Arredondo is healthy, I only see one completely open spot in the 'pen, as  Cordero, Masset, Ondrusek, Bray and Chapman all have iron-clad or mostly ironclad claims.

Advantage: Jared Burton. He's been a successful reliever in the past and the Reds' willingness to tender him shows confidence that he's on the mend from his injuries. This one could really be a toss-up, given the continued existence Jordan Smith, Matt Maloney, Dontrelle Willis and Sam LeCure. There's no clear long-reliever if Burton makes it, so Maloney is a very close second.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 12, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, yes

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 12, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Another possibility is that they will go with 6 relievers instead of 7...

…leaving room for END as a true backup at 3B.

Also, there will likely be an injury or two “before then becomes now,” likely admitting to the roster a few fringe folks.

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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 12, 2011 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

I think they'll go with 12 pitchers

If they do want an extra position player, they might do what they did last year, and start the fifth starter out at Louisville.

It’s hard to go with only 11 pitchers these days, what with all the specialty roles in the pen.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 12, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

so Wood and Leake both start out in Louisville

with an intense game of rock-paper-scissors for the call up

by jacob brumfield on Jan 12, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They did last year

Except the rock-paper-scissors thing.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 12, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah! It was totally Roshambo!

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by andromache on Jan 12, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

it's called

“jan-ken-po” in Hawaii, and is commonly used on playgrounds to decide which team gets to go first in games (instead of a coin toss or that stacking hands on the bat thing).

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by BubbaFan on Jan 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

we just used to throw marbles for it

I can’t recall how it worked if even if it did, just sayin’ we threw marbles.
Lost a lot of marbles in the weeds.

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by johnu1 on Jan 12, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

jan-ken-po

Is the Japanese name for the game, which would be why it is used in Hawaii.

by ashersky on Jan 13, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

it's drifted a bit

The second line is something like “I canna show.” Followed by “Itchy-itchy toe.”

It often appalls Japanese speakers.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

a Japanese speaker

told me that line mean “Will it match?”

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by BubbaFan on Jan 13, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Gesundheit !!!

Fred Lewis and EdRent together are not worth One Laynce Nix

by Madville on Jan 16, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean I'm a huge fan of an 11 man staff

however, The Dusty needs 12 arms, so I just don’t see them going with only 6 bullpeners

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 12, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So, this is Dusty?

Actually, that’s only 10.

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by bbjones on Jan 13, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree about Wood over Leake for all the reasons you gave

Also, keeping Leake in Louisville will stave arbitration for another year.

I like Hermida in the abstract, but Heisey’s the better bench option with his defense and baserunning.

This could be a special bullpen. I think you’ve got two firemen in Chapman and Masset and the rest of the guys could easily be above average. I guess it’s always to say that in the winter, but I mean it this year!

by ken on Jan 12, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

My favorite part about the pen

is there are no ‘project’, re-tread, or cross your fingers and wish upon a star guys included. Unlike the last decade, it is a bullpen that from top to bottom I am comfortable with.

by jacob brumfield on Jan 12, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't rule out Dontrelle

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by Madville on Jan 12, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi there, I'm Glenn Campbell

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by johnu1 on Jan 12, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

you might remember me from such hits as

Rhinestone Cowboy
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by supergrover on Jan 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wood pitched 200 innings last season

He is a sure bet to make the rotation

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by Ewok on Jan 12, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

How did this become a fact?

He is really good, But he’s never going to be a better pitcher than Cueto Or Voltron. Cincinnati must really be hurting for a southpaw so they can hear Welch compare himself to Wood for 3 hours on end.

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by Excalib8 on Jan 13, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

he has better minor league numbers than either of them

I think everyone, literally, everyone, underestimates Wood.

Besides me.

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by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2011 5:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Tell it Brother Cy !

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by Madville on Jan 13, 2011 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Excalib8

Wood might be really good, but one trip around the NL isn’t enough. Lets remember that he has had significantly more Minor League seasoning than Homer Bailey or Johnny Cueto, so it stands to reason that he came out of the gate strong.

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by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

Cueto had a full season of experience before his age 23 season, and if you compare their age 23 seasons (Cueto in 09, Wood in 10)…

Wood’s was better, all the way around. He struck out more, walked fewer, had a better WHIP, ERA, etc. His performance was far superior.

Stuff-wise, I think Cueto’s SL and Wood’s CH are comparable, quality-wise. Cueto’s FB is better, but Wood has the CT that he throws really effectively.

Basically, I don’t see much in either numbers or stuff to argue that Cueto is demonstrably better or has more potential than Wood. Obviously their careers have taken different paths thus far, and it’s possible Wood will suffer with another trip through the NL, but it’s also possible he continues to make adjustments and improves. FWIW, Bill James projects Wood to have a better ERA and FIP in 2011 than Cueto.

My 2 big concerns with Wood this time last year were his command and his mediocre FB, but he has drastically improved on both of those. His command is very good and his FB is faster than I thought, plus he has the cutter that he throws to righties. It’s very possible he’ll be the best starter on the team this season.

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by nycredsfan on Jan 13, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

all i'm saying is

both made their professional debut in 2005, Cueto was pitching for the Reds in 2008, and Wood was not. Wood had more time to refine his craft in the minor leagues, while Cueto was “learning on the fly”.

Wood has thrown 629 minor league innings as Cueto has thrown 348.

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by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand how minor league innings are better for refining one's craft than MLB innings are

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by nycredsfan on Jan 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

what i'm saying is this

Wood came out of the gate stronger than Cueto.

Wood had more experience at the time of his call up than Cueto.

Wood has yet to have a full season.

I really don’t think we can compare Wood and Cueto yet.

I like Travis Wood but I am not ready to say he will be the ace, or even stay on the MLB staff all next year.

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by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

that's certainly an argument

I think they rushed Cueto, FWIW

I’m glad they let Wood more properly develop

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 13, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if they rushed Cueto

He dominated AA, AAA, and MLB spring training when he made the team. I don’t think he would have learned much more in the minors.

I don’t know what to think about Bailey. Part of me thinks they rushed him, the other part thinks, Bailey had to fail at the big leagues to learn, he is cocky and arrogant, and get his ass handed to him by big leaguers may have been the only way. But even he could have used a full 2007 in Louisville.

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by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Internal game management

I hear it referred to in hoops as “basketball intelligence/smarts”. It’s why, sometimes, you are better off taking John Paxson over Ralph Sampson. It’s why Spud Webb was able to make the game despite his Oompancestry.
I think Woods definitely shows an ability to measure the game at different phases and make fair adjustment. (Not always right, but they seem to be consistent)
Almost like having a second catcher out there. I think this was the can’t-put-your-finger-on-it (je ne sais quois) that Jose Rijo had. His stuff isn’t as good as others, but damned if he wasn’t better.

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by supergrover on Jan 13, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I just love it when you talk acro's
Stuff-wise, I think Cueto’s SL and Wood’s CH are comparable, quality-wise. Cueto’s FB is better, but Wood has the CT that he throws really effectively.

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by johnu1 on Jan 13, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take Wood over Volquez without hesitation

and while Cueto’s got better stuff than Wood, I think Wood has a better approach than Cueto and actually knows how to read a scouting report and actually ya know, pitch, as opposed to just take the hill and try and throw it by guys

Wood’s just more cerebral, Cueto seems more raw and unpolished. Volquez just seems to be a guy we should have never traded for….

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

why is Wood more ceberal than Cueto?

I never really saw Cueto as a “thrower”.

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by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wood doesn't have an overpowering fastball

Cueto does

any guy that doesn’t have a blow it by you fastball needs to use his head to beat guys

by Highlifeman21 on Jan 13, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

so Wood is a ceberal guy who is smart

is Arroyo is a junk baller who is lucky?

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by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Cueto is more of a kicker

than a thrower.

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by johnu1 on Jan 13, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I both know that Cueto's aim is 10x better than Shaynekapotamus

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by BK on Jan 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's my birthday!

Who’s buying shots?

I think/hope/beg/rain-dance that Wood makes the rotation, as I really really think he’s going to be the best of the bunch of youngins.

As for the pen, I hope Arredondo’s healthy, both for his stuff and for the fact that the Reds signed him LAST year to have him this year. What a waste if he’s not ready.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

dude, it's really not that bad

after every music history test in college me and some buddies would walk a block over to the bar on campus for lunch and i would always get a 4-horsemen.

you forgot the Jim. i’ve only had a 3 wise men a few times, and none recently, so i can’t remember exactly how bad it tasted.

by Heeringa on Jan 13, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst drink I've ever had was called a Urine Sample

Shot of tequila and Corona, microwaved for 20 seconds or so to make it warm. Blech.

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by jch24 on Jan 14, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

why on earth?

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-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

In Columbus, some Crew fans introduced me to their signature shot, The Trailer Park. It’s a shot of well whiskey followed by an RC Cola chaser. It costs $1.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 14, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you got tricked

The dude behind the bar just pissed in a glass and gave it to you.

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by BK on Jan 15, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll do it

As long as someone bails me out of jail afterwards

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by DTFH91 on Jan 12, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Seconded!

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by crolfer on Jan 13, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's going to be Heisey for the 25th spot on the roster

Just because he can play CF. As with SS and catcher, you need a competent backup in that position.

As for Wood vs. Leake…I think it’s going to be Wood, if only because he’s a lefty. But then, I thought that last year, too.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 12, 2011 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

Can we get anything for Maloney and LeCure?

With 6 starters for 5 spots, plus Chapman and Willis also in the fold, I think it’s time to consider whether there is any value in trading Maloney and LeCure. Hard to see either playing much of a role as either starters or relievers with the guys we have ahead of them, and this will be the age 27 season for both. With all the teams that are hurting for pitching, it seems like these guys could help someone. May bring back something that helps the organization at another position with depth.

by Elkmgr on Jan 12, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

i dont see either fetching very much

maybe another AAAA type, oft-injured prospect, or something similarly meh.

I think they’re much more valuable as insurance.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand

by saboscork on Jan 12, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you are allowed to trade draft picks in MLB

I may be wrong, but I think you have to use ’em yourself, and keep a drafted player at least 1 year before you are allowed to trade them.

Or even if I just like such as judged a fish contest that would get me outta the house and in some air.

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Jan 12, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you are not wrong, at least not massively

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand

by saboscork on Jan 12, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this club

I couldn’t argue with any of the probable outcomes for the 25 man roster, though I route for Heisey to make the squad again (he’s my favorite player!).

What I’m really liking this instant is that I’m not only confident in the 25 guys that will go north in a few months, I’m pretty confident in our first level of options that will begin the year at AAA.

by ben nevis on Jan 12, 2011 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

haha you said route like youre traveling somewhere.

Also, Id like to see Wood take the fifth spot. I actually think Leake is the better pitcher and will be more valuable to the rotation in the longterm. He has the makings of a good control pitcher with great movement, ala Maddux in the 90s. Id like to see him learn how to pitch more innings though and so i believe starting the year in AAA will do him good.

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by ThreeofSpades on Jan 12, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

so, remind me why you'd like to see Wood instead of Leake?

And if Leake’s 1/5th of Maddux, I’d be elated if he wins 60 games for the Reds in his career.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 12, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

because he needs seasoning.

despite being tremendously talented, he needs to log some innings.in college his last two years he threw 120 and 140 innings. id like to see him get the work in( like last year app 140 inn) so he can get that against pro talent without going on the DL because his arm is tired. my stated desire being that if he is in AAA he may get more innings this year between the two. and provide some depth in the rotation later in the year. I think right now you arent losing much with wood, who already has seen the minors a few times.

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by ThreeofSpades on Jan 12, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably won't hurt him

I like Leake,too, along with all these guys. The work at AAA wouldn’t hurt him and I think the front 6 starters will all get work for Cincy before the season is over, similar to LY. Aside from Arroyo, none of these guys has ever made 30 or more starts and thrown 200 IP. Volquez and Bailey have both spent time on the DL with injuries, so it’s likely that Leake could wind up with a similar amount of big league work as he had LY even if he starts in AAA.

by Elkmgr on Jan 12, 2011 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

ya its unlikely the 5 starters will go injury less, tho that'd be great

but ya the 6th guy will probably get just as many IP as the 5th guy, or hell even the 4th guy possibly

by cokane on Jan 12, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What about this dumb idea:

Shelve Burton, keep Leake and Wood, have Leake pitch 3 innings on days Wood starts, then flip it and have Wood pitch 3 innings when Leake starts. Lot’s of complete games with just 2 pitchers in there. Looks so good on paper.

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by mdccclxix on Jan 13, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

don't like it

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-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I could also live with Chapman in AAA learning how to start, with D train in Cincinnati

and Masset to Cordero all year long.

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by mdccclxix on Jan 13, 2011 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

Can't get excited over D train...

until we see that he can throw some strikes and get some people out. It’s been a long time since he has deliver any effective innings. I’m not down on having him signed, just think he’s got to show something before he’s handed a spot on the team.

by Elkmgr on Jan 13, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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