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It Would Be an Historic Event If the Reds Blew this Lead

In the history of baseball, there have been seven cases of a team blowing a six-game lead with 25 or fewer games remaining. I don't know if that makes me feel better or worse. Actually, I'm lying. It makes me feel A LOT better. In the entire history of baseball, only 7 teams have managed to come back from such a deficit. Heck, out of 192 division leaders with 25 games remaining since divisional play was established in 1969, 79% have gone on to clinch their division regardless of the size of their lead. The Reds are still in good shape.

Some of you probably aren't anymore comfortable though. So, let's take a look at the 7 cases that broke through, just so you can see how much of a disaster we'd have to see to lose the lead.

1930 - The St. Louis Cardinals trailed the Cubs by 10 games on August 19, with 37 games to play. Then they went crazy, going 31-6 (.838 PCT), leap-frogging 3 teams in the standings and taking over first place just 28 days later. The Cubs played decently down the stretch, going 19-18 after August 19, but it's hard to stop a team that plays .838 ball over more than a month.

1934 - The Cardinals did it again (d'oh!), going 20-5 down the stretch. The Gashouse Gang trailed the Giants by 7 games with 24 to play, but made up the distance with their amazing run combined with the Giants going just 9-14 the rest of the way.

1951 - In perhaps the most famous choke job in history, the Brooklyn Dodgers led the New York Giants by 6 games with the Giants having just 12 to play. The Dodgers went 7-9 over their final 16, but the Giants countered with an incredible 11-1 run and the season ended on a tie. As you all know, the Giants won the pennant after Bobby Thompson hit his historic Shot Heard Round the World walk-off home run in the third playoff game between the two teams.

1964 - The stupid Cardinals did it again. This time erasing a 6.5 game lead with just 13 games to be played. They went 10-3 over those 13, but more importantly the Phillies went just 2-10.

Perhaps you are noticing a pattern? The fewer games that are remaining, the more it requires both teams to do something very extreme...

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1995 - The Seattle Mariners were just 55-55 and trailed by 11.5 games with 34 to play. The lead was down to 6 by September 11, despite the M's going just 10-7. But then the Mariners got hot, going 13-4 the rest of the way and erasing the Angels lead on the last day of the season. Of course, it helped that the Angels went 11-23 over their last 34 games, including a 9-game losing streak from September 13-23.

2007 - The Mets led the Phillies by 7 with 17 games to play, and then went 5-12 while the Phillies went 13-4, taking the division by a game.

2009 - The Detroit Tigers led the Twins by 6.5 games with 24 to play, The Twins, who were just .500 at the time, went 17-7 to finish the season, while the Tigers limped home with an 11-14 record and lost a one-game playoff and the division.

Honestly, of all of these, only the Tigers-Twins scenario puts fear into my heart about this year. I could see the Reds scuttling with an 11-14 record, and 17-7 doesn't sound out of reach for the Cardinals. But even with that in mind, dropping a 6-game lead with 25-games left for the Cardinals would be an historic collapse. The Reds have looked bad on this road trip, but I don't see them looking that bad the rest of the way.

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Pattern

The pattern I noticed is the stinkin’ Cardinals are to the team that more often that not showed up as the team making the miraculous comeback.

by ThisonebelongstotheReds on Sep 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

But

The reds have never been the one to collapse….and none of those comeback teams had the “genius” running the ship

by bringbackthemayor on Sep 9, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

They didn't play well down the stretch in 64

when the Cards leap-frogged over both teams to win the league. My second favorite baseball book is the Halberstam classic 1964. Read it, if you haven’t

by timb116 on Sep 9, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They went 9-4 over the same stretch that the Cards went 10-3

Oh, you were talking about losing 4 of their last 5.

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by Slyde on Sep 9, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the wild card lead in 99?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Sep 9, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

As a Brewer fan

We’re doing our best to help you. We laid down and died against you, and then won the series against the Cards. You better win.

by cwolf20 on Sep 9, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I must say

  I really am diggin the support of Brewers (and Nats) fans during this race. So to you, cwolf20 and Ted Simmons, just wanna say thanks, and don’t go away!
  I say we just keep enjoyin the ride. Who are we to get in the way of the unbeatable late season Rockies juggernaut that seems to happen inevitably every single year. My guess is Todd Helton is really a witch. But that’s just me.
  Anyway, let’s not worry about “historic collapses” just yet. The Rockies are good, we caught them on a hot streak, we’re kinda banged up. We got this, guys. I’m willing to give this team the benefit of the doubt, something I haven’t been able to say for years.

by UncleWeez on Sep 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I love having the support

it makes the race more fun and teh lsing streaks much more bearable. We owe the crew a lot this year. We did take Edmonds off their hands, though, so we have paid them back a little.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've noticed cwolf, and we appreciate every second of it.

I’ve always loved the Brewers and their fans.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

same here

outside of South Milwaukee, that is.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

11-12

If the Reds could go just 11-12 in their last 23, then the Cards would have to go 17-8 to win the division or 16-9 just to tie.

by snailbiscuit on Sep 9, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

The Reds were of course in the thick of it in 1964

Cincy and Philly finished one game behind St. Louis. Chico Ruiz’s steal of home against Philly is sometimes credited for igniting the Phills’ tailspin. Philly manager Gene Mauch did all sorts of screwy things with his rotation and went with a 3 man towards the end. Jim Bunning threw 68 innings in Sept/Oct – some say he’s never recovered his sanity!

The 2009 Twins hold a special place in my gambling heart since I had taken Minny as a long shot to win the division.

by ken on Sep 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

64

shut out 3 of their last 5, including 1-0 in 16 by the Pirates and 2-0 by the Bucs when Pittsburgh scored 2 in the top of the ninth. They ended up dropping 4 of their last five including the last two to the Phils. The Cards went 9-2 in their last 11

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by Caleb on Sep 9, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot to mention

The Cards still play Atlanta 4 times, SD 4 times , and Colorado 3 times.

by snailbiscuit on Sep 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

the Cards play better against good teams

though, they swept the Phillies, for example. I’m strangely more concerned about them winning an Atlanta series than a Cubs series.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know they play better against contenders

However, I think they’re due to have a bad streak against good teams. Call me crazy but I think they would be very very lucky to split with Atlanta on the road.

by snailbiscuit on Sep 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cards can't play on the road.

I think most of their good performances against good teams have been at Busch. (Although I don’t have the data to back that up)

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Sep 9, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

that might be true

and since I’m just wasting time figuring out what to get for lunch I think I’ll go look it up

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Cards Home: 43-24
Cards Road: 29-41

For comparison’s sake:
Reds Home: 41-27
Reds Road: 38-33

People point out that the Reds struggle against the top teams, but we rarely hear that the Reds have the 2nd best road record among playoff contending teams in the NL.

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by Slyde on Sep 9, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Reds appear beat up cuz their injured players aren't playing

Pujols (the other one) may well be as injured as Bruce or Nix. He can’t run at all. The Reds will finish atop the division, but it will have as much to do with how the Cards limp to the finish. I’m in favor of resting some guys now so they have a couple weeks to get back into the swing before the playoffs start.

When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

by poojols on Sep 9, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

can't rest until you are in

Rob Dibble, Norm Charlton, and Randy Myers were nasty boys. Arthur Rhodes is a nasty MAN. by Brendanukkah

by Caleb on Sep 9, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

My confidence has been boosted!

The poll on the front page should be re-tallied.

by ken on Sep 9, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Reds need to win 5-6 out of next 8

if they can do that, maintain their 5 game lead (in the loss column) I’d start to feel a lot better about things

Rob Dibble, Norm Charlton, and Randy Myers were nasty boys. Arthur Rhodes is a nasty MAN. by Brendanukkah

by Caleb on Sep 9, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

this post has actually made me a little more uncomfortable

the Cards have done this a couple times before (I didn;t know that) and this year they have already been on a 9 game winning streak. The Reds need to pick up their play and fast.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I get your sentiment

but who within the current Cardinals organization was with it when they came back in 1964 or 1934 or 1930? Just sayin the name on the uni is the same, but that’s about it.

by AB on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they do have Pujols

and 3 pitchers who can give you a chance to win just about every start.

And I admit there is a healthy does of irrational supersitition in my concern.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals pitching

60% of the time, it works every time!

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by Slyde on Sep 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is becoming less true

Garcia is reaching uncharted territory as far as innings pitched, and he got shelled last night. Wainwright is awesome, but he’s been slumping too.

Joe Strauss (STL beat writer) tweeted today that the Cards have scored 28 runs in their last 11 games. That’s pretty bad.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is pretty bad

this is a little off otpic, but that Strauss guy is a complete idiot and jerk. I think he might be partially rsponsible for the LaRussa Rasmus feud getting out of hand. Fay has a feud with BP, but he isn’t nearly as immature as Strauss.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Medwick ain't walking through that door.

Bob Gibson ain’t walking through that door.
Tim McCarver ain’t walking through that do….Well, he might, if he’s broadcasting one of their games for Fox.

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by Slyde on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i'm still nervous

but not so much about the cardinals catching the reds. between injuries, slumps, and a rotation that you never know what to expect from i worry about the reds embarassing themselves in the playoffs. not that getting there isnt a huge victory in and of itself for this team, it would be pretty awful to implode in the first round.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand

by saboscork on Sep 9, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I have no concerns about the playoffs

at least not yet. I’m just going to enjoy the ride getting there. It’s been too long of a wait!

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by Slyde on Sep 9, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am only concerned about getting there right now

getting to the playoffs would be a massive step forward for the Reds. I hbope they don’t embarrass themselves too,but I just wnat to see them get there. That is so much more than I expected from thsi season.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I want is for them to finish with one of the 2 best records in the NL

so that they get 2 home games in the first round. Otherwise, I’d love them to win, but I’ll merely be melancholy if they don’t.

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by Slyde on Sep 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah that's how I feel

it would be amazing to see at least one playoff game at home. We’ll go from there

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Typo
Then they went crazy, going 31-6 (.838 PCT), leap-frogging 3 teams in the standings and taking over first place just 28 days later.

I think this should read:

Then they went crazy, going 31-6 (.838 PCT), leap-frogging 3 teams in the standings and taking over first place just 28 days later (Zombies!).

by ben nevis on Sep 9, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

So, it has happened 7 times ever, but 2 times in the last 3 years

Well, that makes me feel not-a-bit better.

Crap.

I wonder if there’s a college study that shows how exposing my generation to Three’s Company set gender relations back approximately 715 years

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 9, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Coolstandings.com

says that as of Thursday morning, the Reds have a 94.3% chance of winning the division.

by Don, the Rebel without a Blog on Sep 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

there was

The infamous black cat thing in 1969. On Sept. 9, the Cubs were leading the Mets by 1.5 games. A black cat was released onto the field, and ran into the Cubs dugout. The Cubs ended up losing the NL East by 8 games. They may not have blown a six-game lead, but they dropped more than six games against their division rival in less than month.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that is reasonable

not because the cat caused it, but because the players’ superstition led them to believe they would fail and they did. The person who realesed the cat knew that would happen!

by Red_Poodle on Sep 10, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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