I'm beginning to think Aaron Harang might not have it anymore. Reds lose, 10-5.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 6, 2010 7:39 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Carlos Gonzalez. Because he is apparently invincible at altitude, the Reds were unable to contain Carlos Gonzalez. The left fielder went 3-5 with two doubles, two RBI and a run scored. His average is now up to .340 and more performances like this will help ensure that Joey Votto doesn't take home the triple crown. Honorable mentions go to Troy Tulowitzki, Eric Young, Jr., Chris Heisey, Jonny Gomes, and Juan Francisco. Six honorees and no pitchers. Let the cries of foul commence!
Key Plays
- Ubaldo Jimenez hasn't been the pitcher that he was in the first half of the season, but he is still an ace. Thus, the third inning gives us lot to feel positive about, from a team offense perspective. Drew Stubbs led off with a walk, and then Paul Janish hit a ground rule double. With runners on second and third and no outs, Aaron Harang contributed nothing by grounding out the pitcher. Brandon Phillips also grounded out, but at least when he did it, it drove in a run. Paul Janish also moved to third on Phillips's groundout, then scored when Chris Heisey executed the squeeze play. Joey Votto then hit a ground rule double and runners were back on second and third. (Between the ground rule double robbing him of an RBI and Carlos Gonzalez's ridiculous home splits, Coors Field is actively keeping Votto from winning the triple crown. Also, two ground rule doubles in one inning? WTF?) Jonny Gomes then singled and both runners scored. Juan Francisco singled and Ramon Hernandez walked to load the bases. Drew Stubbs came up again as the Reds had batted around with a chance to extend the lead, but he struck out. Surprise ending. Reds lead, 4-0.
- Spotted this large lead, Aaron Harang proceeded to be unable to get anyone out. Well, he got Miguel Olivo to fly out to begin the third inning. But he couldn't get anyone else. He walked Ubaldo Jimenez, his pitching counterpart, then surrendered a double to Eric Young, Jr. He walked Dexter Fowler, and the bases were loaded. Carlos Gonzalez doubled, scoring Jimenez and Young, then Troy Tulowitzki tripled, bringing in Fowler and Gonzalez. Harang walked Todd Helton, his third walk of the inning, before Dusty brought in Jordan Smith, who promptly induced an inning ending double play. Game tied, 4-4.
- The Reds loaded the bases with two outs in the fourth inning, but Jonny Gomes popped out to first, in familiar fashion.
- In the fifth inning, Tulowitzki homered off of Bill Bray. Rockies lead, 5-4.
- The Reds loaded the bases with two outs in the sixth inning, but Clutch Man Monie grounded out, in highly unclutch fashion.
- Bray struck out two batters in the sixth, but walked Seth Smith and gave up a single to pinch hitter Chris Nelson. Aroldis Chapman came in in relief, but finally showed he's human. He gave up a single to Eric Young, Jr., which scored Smith, then Dexter Fowler hit an infield single to Paul Janish. Janish's throw went awry and Nelson scored. The inning continued, and Carlos Gonzalez also reached on an infield single before Eric Young, Jr. scored on a passed ball by Ryan Hanigan. Rockies lead, 8-4.
- Carlos Fisher joined the Pitchers Who Give Up Runs Club in the seventh inning. After getting two quick outs, he walked Seth Smith and gave up a run-scoring double to Miguel Olivo. Then pinch hitter Ryan Spilborghs singled and Olivo scored. Rockies lead, 10-4.
- Chris Heisey doubled off of Matt Reynolds in the eighth inning, and Juan Francisco drove him in with a single. Rockies win, 10-5.
Other Notes
- All of the runs the Rockies scored against the bullpen came with two outs.
- "Matt Reynolds" was also the name of a character in L.A. Confidential. A small-time actor (played by a young Simon Baker) who was once arrested for smoking marijuana, Reynolds was later killed as part of the conspiracy to hide the truth behind the Nite Owl killings. But this footnote did win some glory, in taking home the coveted coroner's prize: "Stomach of the week. Unemployed actor had frankfurter, french fries, alcohol, and sperm. Hell of a last supper, don't you think?"
- Aroldis Chapman still has not given up an earned run.
- Ubaldo Jimenez's 18th win of the season established a new franchise record. The previous high was 17 wins, held by Kevin Ritz in 1996. Pedro Astacio also reached that mark in 1999, and Jeff Francis got there in 2007. Bonus points if you remember Kevin Ritz at all.
- The Reds stranded 14 baserunners.
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So will they please confirm Harang
is no longer with us?
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
Dusty says
they’re going to discuss it.
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I know it sounds like all I do these days is complain about umpires,
but Fairchild was absolutely BS all game. And the umpiring has been abhorrent for 3 of the last 5 games, I can’t help it. I am not taking Harang off the hook, because he walked the GD pitcher on his own, but I cannot believe what Fairchild was doing today.
Anyway, I have also been one of the biggest Harang supporters for the past three years, but it is becoming impossible. I would give him one more start (considering that he was screwed pretty bad in this one) to show that he has something, and then I’m sorry, but I am finally to the point where I don’t care whether he is back next year at all, or even on the postseason roster. He will probably go to an NL West team and thrive for a season or two, and great for him if he does, but I’m done with the experiment here. This game was brutal to the max.
Watching Harang this year is like watching Pete Schourek in 1997
Schourek had elbow surgery in 1996, after an amazing 1995 season. He labored through 1997, had a few spells on the DL, and I remember watching games where he would get through 2 or 3 innings without giving up a run, but you knew it was coming, you knew the second time through the line up they would figure out that slow loping curve ball. He got hammered, and after the way he sliced and diced up the league in 1995, it was just really hard to watch.
His 1997 game log is eerily similar to Harang’s 2010 game log. Schourek had a terrible start, he stabilized in May, and began to look like he could be a serviceable pitcher, went on the DL in June, and was worthless after that.
I’ve said this before but Pete Schourek is one of my favorite Reds players. I’ve always had a thing for pitchers, pitching was really the only position I enjoyed when I played little league, which was a shame because I saw only a couple of innings on the hill. 1995 was the first year I was old enough to follow baseball, and Schourek was 2nd in the Cy Young Award that year, and was the Reds staff ace. It was difficult when I was 10 years old to watch my hero from the 1995 team get lit up like a Christmas tree. It really hasn’t gotten any easier to watch Harang get beat up at age 24.
I know it doesn’t really matter, Harang is set for life, and if he never pitches in the majors again, well that is a major league opportunity for another pitcher. The Reds have at least 3 pitchers who could take his place in the rotation and pitch as well if not better than Harang. But, today was a tough day, today I finally realized that Harang is done. I knew it was possible, but I always wanted to give him one more start, give him one last chance to prove himself. That can’t happen anymore. The next time the Reds need a fifth starter they should give the ball to Volquez, LeCure, or Maloney. I hope Harang doesn’t get another start with Cincinnati. If he does I don’t think I will watch, I really don’t enjoy seeing one of my favorite players get beat around like a scrub.
To better days Aaron.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 7, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Huge rec for the photo caption
You outdid yourself, ’nukkah.
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Instead of the humidor line, I was originally going to write
“Thank god I brought my mask and some authentic Delaware mud.”
this game was really ugly
Chapman got beat up, Harang got chased after 1 and a half. The offense stranded more people than Jeff Probst. It just was not a good game. It might be a good thing, though, utlimately. It might be a bit of a wake up call that this isn’t over yet and we need to keep playing good baseball. I think the main thing, though, is that we need a good outing from Cueto to give our team a legitimate shot to win.
On a side note, I don’t like the Rockies much and Carlos Gonzalez is ruining everything!
Well, Harang sucks so I really didn't expect much more
And Chapman didnt do bad, the hits they had him were crap, cargo had an infield hit that went barely passed the mound, Janish was knocked over on one and threw in i dont even know where, it was stupid.
Yeah I didn't expect a win
Just looking at the pitching matchup of Ubaldo and Harang, I should have laid money on the Rockies. Just wish the loss wasn’t so ugly.
Reds would have been better off not scoring at all, and maybe Dusty would have left Harang in longer to get beat up on for a few more innings and save the bullpen.
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— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.
by cesarhernandez on Sep 6, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the worst part is how we lost
because I really didn’t like the matchup either and didn’t expect this to be the best chance to win.
I wonder
if Dusty had kinda given up before the game started. He had his Sunday lineup in, and wasn’t in a hurry to get Harang out when things started going south.
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you make a good point
I was thinking he’d rest Rolen on the day after Ubaldo, not on the day we get Ubaldo. Maybe he had conceded the loss in his mind.
I'm worried about Cueto tomorrow
Returning from the funeral of his uncle who raised him, his mind might not be with baseball.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
I really hope Harang is gone
I have school tomorrow, when I get home I better see that Harang was DFA’d or something, this is rediclous, I cant stang that ugly old fart
Teh Fay is still champ, though
if we count his presence on the Reposter and in the form of many copy-and-pasted quotes cited for comedic value.
by DevilsAdvocate on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We should probably stop doing that
Slyde thinks it’s boring and takes up space when we could be talking about other things.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 6, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
tell slyde he can start making the reposters.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, it's always such a hoot when people do it
I should have just shut my mouth.
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Well, we need SOMETHING to talk about
Typos are way more interesting than “basedball” or whatever it is you’re always on about.
Hey, I just saw someone at VEB said the Reds suck
That guy is total douche.
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by Slyde on Sep 7, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Get off my lawn!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 6, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Okay, this bothers me
Between 2005 and 2007 Harang was the best pitcher this organization had seen since Jose Rijo had Tommy John Surgery. Harang’s best days are behind him, he shouldn’t start another game for the Reds, it is probably in both the Reds and Harang’s best interest for Harang to go. But show the man some respect goddamnit. Remember when he went toe to toe with Chris Carpenter in 2006 and won. Remember when he threw a complete game shutout and beat Matt Morris 1-0, when Morris threw a 1 run complete game in 2004? Hell remember his Easter shutout last year? In 2006 he and Arroyo were the only two solid arms in the rotation, and he ended the season the season with back to back complete games, at a time when the rest of the rotation had severely fallen off, his last start he threw 125 pitches. Hell he threw a shutout in 2006 on three days rest because Eric Milton was injured and nobody else could take the ball. Fuck, he took the ball for 60 pitches in a relief outing in San Diego in 2008 that probably started this fall from grace.
2007 was a long time ago, as were Harang’s best days. But jesus christ, he a bright spot in some dark dark days. It isn’t like he is Eric Milton, who sucked his entire time he was in Cincinnati but made a ton of money to do it, Harang was one of the top pitchers in the league in 2006 making league minimum.
We have a certain level of discourse at Redreporter, that is why I enjoy this place. You sir fall well short of that. I see you joined just a few days ago, perhaps a bandwagon fan who wasn’t watching this team closely in the dark days like I and most of the rest of RR were. So I have a simple suggestion for you, either raise your level of conversation or go to Fay’s blog.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
what happened to him?
He’s only 32. How can he have become so bad, so quickly?
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perhaps
high pitch counts, dutifully pitching on three days rest, he threw a ton of pitches in 2006 and 2007, Narron beat him like a rented mule. He was at or near the top of the most abused pitchers list in 2006 and 2007.
I kind of wonder if perhaps a new organization and an improved change up will help him find some level of effectiveness. I don’t expect to see him lead the league in K’s anymore, but he still can bring it in the low to mid 90s. I wouldn’t bet on it, but I guess it isn’t impossible either.
There is also a long list of pitchers who put together 2 or 3 excellent seasons and fall off a cliff.
Maybe there is explanation.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see the guy succeed.
I just don’t think it’s going to happen again in Cincinnati.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
do you think
it’s going to happen in St. Louis?
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Probably only if St. Louis is the only team that wants him
Harang was very upset when LaRussa called for him to be suspended for two weeks. So he probably would rather go some place else.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
my bet is San Diego
btetween being a heaven for pitchers with high fly ball rates like him, and the fact that he’s from there, its where I’d go if I was him.
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*maybe there is no explanation.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe his back has been bothering him for a while as well.
Brantley and Welsh have both remarked over the last couple of seasons about how Harang seems to be very stiff on the mound.
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by RedsMasochist on Sep 6, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that could be
People here have commented on that, too.
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i am watching his 2006 start, he pitched pretty upright then too
I did notice one thing, it seemed that out of the windup there is a slight change. It looks like he want back a little bit more, before turning his energy towards the plate.
I also noticed that he was throwing 87 MPH mistake fastballs down the middle, and the Cardinals line up was swinging threw it.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm wondering if his arm angle changed
I watched a couple innings of this game. In the first two innings Harang was 87-89 with his fastball, but he was blowing it right by the St. Louis hitters. Chris Welsh often discussed Harang’s ability to “hide the ball”, so even though he was normally 88-92, hitters were late. Perhaps due to arm issues, or just a mechanical change, or a back problem (as mentioned below) have changed how he throws so he no longer hides the ball.
It would be interesting for somebody to compare his 2006 mechanics to his 2010 mechanics.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez, chill
I have never like Harang, even when he was good in the so called “Dark Days”. Ever since he joined the Reds, never liked him, you can call me critical, you can call me bandwagon, but there is no reason to. Just because I don’t like someone that you do, You said it yourself, his days are behind him.
Really, I am probably one of the biggest fans, I’m young, Im in highschool and I have gotten criticized for being a fan of the Reds when they were rebuilding, you can’t call me bandwagon. I follow every part of the Reds organization.
I went on this site so I can talk with other Reds fans, its hard to find Reds fans where I live, very very hard.
If you really want me to leave this site, so be it, I really don’t want to be here if I upset anyone. I really didn’t enjoy reading your post, you seem very quick to judge.
With that, I am done with this site, thank you very much. I joined a few days ago and one comment upsets someone, so Bye everyone.
I'm not asking you to say he is still effective
I’m just asking you to not call him an “ugly fart”. It was tough for me to watch him pitch this way. I love good pitchers, which is why Harang became one of my favorite players, he was a battleship. Now the Reds are playing really well and Harang isn’t, and well that is tough for me. I mean it is only baseball, and even if Harang never pitches again he is set for life, but today was a difficult day for me.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's becoming clear that Aaron Harang is this team's Moses.
Though it’s still not clear why Thom likes to call his name when somebody hits a massive home run.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That has to be one of the quickest GBCW I have ever seen
I wonder if there’s a college study that shows how exposing my generation to Three’s Company set gender relations back approximately 715 years
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 7, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you're still around just know that justin doesn't speak for all of us.
i would expect a sophomore in h.s. to respond to that kind of rant with a “FUVCK YOU DOUCHEBAG THIS AIN’T YOUR BLOG BLOW ME!!!!!!” type of thing, but you showed some maturity. i don’t even think what you said was that bad. frustration brings the worst out of people and this site has seen way worse than calling somebody an ugly old fart (FTR i agree that he’s ugly and sometimes a fart, but he’s not old)
i know i don’t speak for all of us either, but please stick around, it’s always nice to have new people. if you do, you’ll understand why we have a soft spot for harang and why DFA’ing him doesn’t really make sense. you’ll definitely pick up on the “discourse” in due time.
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I'd love to call him old, but he's a year and a half younger than me :(
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
Yeah, the only thing offensive to me was the old part. Harang is two weeks younger than me
But he’s definitely not the hottest guy in the world. I believe my friend’s term is “aesthetically challenged.”
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot the picture
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Ya jackwagon!
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well said Justin
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Sep 6, 2010 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn you must have been pissed, you spelled everything correctly. (unless I missed one)
You’re like the Incredible Hulk of spelling. “Don’t make me angry, I spell good when I’m angry.”
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by RedsMasochist on Sep 6, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a lot of respect for what Harang did for this team in the past
For a long time, he was one of the few bright spots on an otherwise shitty team. Remember the days when you looked at the probable pitchers and said, “Hey, Harang’s up. We might actually have a shot at this one!” I will always respect him for those days, as well as the massive amounts of cash he poured into charity work in the area. I have a handicapped younger sister who loves to play sports with her peers, and one of Harang’s projects was to build a handicapped-accessible baseball field for handicapped kids. I can’t even begin to describe how much that meant to me.
But it’s time for him to go. I keep thinking he might be one of those guys who needs a change of scenery. Maybe in another system he can thrive again.
I am completely speculating here, but I also have to question his conditioning. I am a gym rat and I’m the exact same age as Harang. Today, I watched him laboring to try to run to first base on a bunt attempt. He was huffing and puffing and completely exhausted running at half-speed to first. The last two years he has looked completely spent by the fourth inning or so on the mound. I spent two hours at the gym today and ran sprints, used the elliptical and stair master and then lifted weights to finish off. I do this every day without any problems or injuries. Why is Aaron so out of shape? It’s not age because I can do it, and I’m a nobody who doesn’t have top of the line equipment and advice that a professional athlete has availble to them. Is there another health problem at work here? SOMETHING must be going on.
No matter what, Harang’s time with this team has obviously passed by, and while I look at the young pitchers coming up with enthusiasm, saying goodbye to Aaron makes me sad.
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it could be a case of over-training
You can dismiss this as a cliche spring training reporting, but I seem to remember there were a lot of stories before the 2008 season (right about when things started to go south for Harang) about how he had been working out a lot during the off-season and had shed quite a bit of weight (circuit training specifically, if i recall). Losing weight isn’t necessarily always a good thing for a professional athlete, especially if you are doing it at the expense of muscle/strength. Some athletes just aren’t made to be Adonises. He’s certainly been less durable the last few years.
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by Chris Welsh's Missing Moustache on Sep 6, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember that
He was downright scrawny. I hardly recognized him.
And there was that study that found heavier is better for pitchers. Even controlled for height, each extra ten pounds of weight was worth .3 off the ERA, or something along those lines.
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he was always battling his weight in Cincinnati
They said increased conditioning helped him in 2004 and 2005. He gained velocity in 2004, when he arrive to Cincinnati in 2003 he struggled to hit 90, but in 2004 and really in 2005 there was a noticeable uptick in his fastball, he went from 88-90 to 90-92.
He started biking and doing cardiac stuff, really worked to strengthen his legs. But strong legs don’t necessarily equal thin.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Harang was why I was excited about Maloney at the time of the Lohse deal
what I read about Maloney in 2007 reminded me of what I read about Harang in 2003, a big guy who doesn’t throw real hard, but who is polished. I thought that if Harang could add a couple of miles on his fastball, Maloney could too. Guess I was wrong about Matt.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
he was 27 in 2005
About the age of “peak power” in a hitter. Maybe pitchers have a power surge at that age, too?
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Or he made some mechanical adjustments with the Reds
he is still throwing as hard as he did in 2005. He had his best velocity in 2004, which refutes a little of I said earlier, but his velocity in 2004 was a full MPH faster than it was in 2002 and 2003, in 2010 his fastball sits around 90.6, the second highest since 2004.
His velocity is why I am not completely certain he is done. I know his future isn’t with the Reds, and it may not be as a starting pitcher, but there is a chance somebody can figure this out.
Perhaps he should give Don Gullet a call.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, his velocity is still good
That’s why it’s so baffling that he’s struggling so much. If he was injured or out of shape, you’d expect it to show up in lower velocity.
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What I've heard
is that his slider is no good anymore. I think a lot of his success was predicated on being able to nibble the outside corner with the slider as an out pitch. Without anything to keep ‘em honest, everybody’s just sitting on something in the zone, so his control is actually working to his detriment now.
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by Chris Welsh's Missing Moustache on Sep 7, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I forgot about that! I do remember on Opening Day being shocked at his weight loss
But it’s definitely all back on this year. And I’m not questioning his actual weight, just his level of fitness. You can be heavier and still be able to run to first without panting.
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
true
But it seems most pitchers aren’t very aerobically fit. They’re all panting after running one base.
Different kind of conditioning, maybe?
My dad once invited the Chinese Olympic gymnastics team to go running with him. He’s a casual runner – jogs five miles every other day – and figured they’d have no trouble keeping up with him. They couldn’t even run a block. Very fit…but not that kind of fit.
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that is my excuse for not being able to run
i’m a different kind of fit!
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
More conditioned for endurance rather than sprinting, I think
Pitchers are always running laps- gotta keep the blood flowing in the legs and keep endurance strong. The gymnasts probably had more core strength and were conditioned to be more ‘explosively athletic’ if you will-
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I was just remembering something I read where Hal McCoy interviewed Bronson about his training
And Bronson did quite a bit of running and explained that felt he needed an adequate amount of cardio in order to cover 1st, home or whatever and be a decent hitter and baserunner. Obviously, Arroyo is a much different sort of pitcher than Harang is, but his training made sense to me.
I don’t know, it maybe has nothin’ to do with nothin’, but it just always seems like Harang is laboring out there.
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
he has never looked settled in this year
I have never seen a game this season where he looked like he is in control, I see what you mean. Even his good games, he looked like he was laboring.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone's a bandwagon fan because they just joined RR? That's pretty fuckin' weak, J.
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by jch24 on Sep 7, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I skipped justin's original comment til I saw this (tl;dr)
“we have a certain level of discourse…”
really? Mr. F-bomb-rant is going to call people on their level of discourse? Now I’ve seen everything.
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i stand by what i said.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
well... this was pretty unnecessary
"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki
They're not going to DFA Harang with 3.5 weeks left in the season
That would be a total dick move to a man that has done everything this organization has asked of him. Maybe he never pitches another game with the Reds, but they’ll at least let him celebrate with his teammates when they go to the playoffs and beyond.
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by Slyde on Sep 7, 2010 8:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Which is why I assume they would move him to the DL.
Right?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
why?
They don’t have to do anything with him. I bet he pitches out of the bullpen once or twice, just to see how he does.
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I don't mean now...
I mean the playoffs. Then if they wanted to replace him with someone who wasn’t up before Sept. 1, they’d need to DL him, right?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
yeah
but who would that be? A Sappelt or a Dorn? Or would Volquez just come back?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
They can't replace him with Sappelt or Dorn
they can only replace a player at the same position.
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really?
So the trick is to get someone like Freel on the team, then injured in August? Or maybe even Brooks Keischnick?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I don't know who they'd replace him with that isn't already on the team
The only other questionable player is Volquez and they’ve already got 2 guys on the 60-day DL that they can use to manipulate the roster.
I think it’s a mistake, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Harang ends up on the post-season roster as an emergency guy.
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I'd like to see him out of the bullpen, I think.
At least once or twice to see if its doable.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
especially because he seems to be passable for the first inning or so
it’s the second time through the lineup that kills him
I'm not sure how much to put into these splits, but here is the breakdown
Split PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
1st PA in G as SP 181 163 40 11 0 5 16 36 2.25 .245 .315 .405 .720 .285 74 103
2nd PA in G as SP 165 149 52 7 1 6 10 26 2.60 .349 .395 .530 .925 .390 124 148
3rd PA in G as SP 120 112 35 6 1 4 5 16 3.20 .313 .345 .491 .836 .333 101 116
4th+ PA in G as SP 11 8 3 1 0 0 3 0 0.00 .375 .545 .500 1.045 .375 160 178
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 9/7/2010.
Split PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB SO SO/BB BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
Pitch 1-25 102 95 27 9 0 2 6 17 2.83 .284 .333 .442 .775 .329 87 112
Pitch 26-50 119 106 33 6 0 5 12 18 1.50 .311 .378 .509 .888 .333 114 145
Pitch 51-75 114 101 32 3 2 6 9 19 2.11 .317 .375 .564 .939 .338 125 153
Pitch 76-100 110 103 30 4 0 2 3 19 6.33 .291 .321 .388 .709 .337 73 87
Pitch 101+ 32 27 8 3 0 0 4 5 1.25 .296 .387 .407 .795 .364 95 126
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 9/7/2010.
tOPS+ is relative to himself overall. sOPS+ is relative to the league for that same situation.
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Okay, so maybe this game wasn't a lot of fun...
but you know what will cheer you up? Emoticons acted out by turtles!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 6, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hm. Turtles are cool, but also kind of freakish.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not true.
I don’t like pets. I don’t get wanting stinky, needy, messy animals to live inside a house. Doesn’t mean I don’t like them in other contexts.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I like animals-I have two cats
And I thought the turtle emoticons were a bit creepy. Sorry.
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of them were cute.
But the tongue one and the bug-eyed one will haunt my dreams.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
how could you not want to cuddle up with this?
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it smells and will probably lick me, which is gross.
And since it’s a puppy, it might even pee on me. Plus, it will require me to feed it and take it to the vet (expensive) and build my schedule around its walking schedule (I’ve seen this with co-workers.)
Pass.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Daisy was one of the best things that ever happened to me
she was a sweet beagle that i had from 1994 until 2009. A truly great beagle, sweet, loyal, loving. She was worth the hassle.
But pets aren’t for everyone and it is better to realize that and not have one, than to have one and not take care of it. My neighbors in hamilton has a dog, that they don’t really want, the poor thing, it gets left outside on a short rope and just barks, i feel bad for it. They won’t even fix the fence so it can run around the yard.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm sorry! Is that your own dog?
She’s really cute. I can appreciate the cuteness without wanting one for myself.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no, i GIS'd that dog
i was just giving you shit.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like the dog would!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
totally worth it
(this is daisy)
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think she found a feather pillow
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
too bad the feathers aren't red
She would totally be our mascot!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
perhaps when i go home next month
i’ll put a red feather in Intrepid’s mouth.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What a cutie!
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
she was 17 or 18 years old when that picture was taken.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I HATE pet owners like that!
One of the reasons that I have cats is because I know my schedule can’t permit me to give a dog the attention that it needs. I want to knock on the door and punch the owners who stake their dogs in the yard in the hot sun with no shade or water or room to run!
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i would own a cat if i were a little more stable
because being a student and having odd hours, and going out for several hours late at night, make having a dog impossible.
I think I will get a dog after I get married, so there are two people around to take care of it.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
It’s tough work to do on your own. Definitely a lot easier to do with at least a couple people around. We’ve got two shelties. They’re some of my best friends. A long time ago, someone in our neighborhood had a wolf. That was pretty neat. They had permits for it and everything.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Somebody in my neighborhood must have a giant iguana for a pet.
Either that, or I saw an escaped giant iguana wandering around the park near my house.
by the finest muffins on Sep 6, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
by stable i mean not moving every year
and seemingly going out of town every few weeks. Going home, to see friends, and conferences would be much more difficult with a cat to take care of.
Plus I don’t think a cat would like a studio apartment.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't get a pet until I was promoted to a supervisory position and bought my condo
Your rationale is very sensible. College and the first few years of establishing yourself in your field is usually too crazy to properly care for a pet.
And now I feel older than dirt. I just realized I graduated from college 10 years ago. Good God.
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 6, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm a grad student now
and may still be a grad student in 5 years.
At least you are stable, if I pursue the whole Ph.D thing, I’ll be close to 30 before I can even think about finding a real job.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 6, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Call the SPCA.
Seriously. It is a crime to leave an animal without food, water, or shelter for a long period of time.
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by RedsMasochist on Sep 7, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
they give it food and water
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 7, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
They also usually warn the owner, and keep an eye on things.
For most people that should hopefully be enough to get them to shape up. I’m not an animal rights nut, but it really pisses me off to see people abusing or neglecting their pets.
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by RedsMasochist on Sep 7, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i understand
my folks actually spent 1,000s of dollars, so things work for the “new” dog. She is really sweet, really smart, really fast, really strong, and really suborn. She is a beagle mix, and is much smarter than a beagle, but has the intention span and discipline of a beagle, which is an awful combination.
She used to dig under the fence in are back yard, until we plugged all the holes, and then she started climbing the fence. We couldn’t let her in the back yard at all unless she was on a chain. What was worse was people were finding her 2 or 3 miles from our house, and you go a mile from our house in one direction and there is a 4 lane road with steady traffic moving 50-60 MPH. So my folks had to bite the bullet and pay for an invisible fence.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 7, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
how about a poodle?
they don’t even shed and are smarter than Jeff Foxworthy by most everyone’s standards
In my opinion, life would be teh crap without pooches!
I'm not big on poodles
They can be mean!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
in my experience
it’s just miniatures and toys that can be mean—the standards are pretty good natured. However, the miniatures are more popular in America and Europe. I think the standards have the edge in Canada, but I could be wrong.
I haven’t looked up the numbers, but I thihnk Goldendoodles and Labrdoodles are more common than pureebreed standards in the US now.
Labradoodle is my favorite dog breed name.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.
mine is weimaraner
try saying it three times fast without sounding like a drunk.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
In terms of poodle corss breedsI like “schnoodle” myself, the “doodleman pinscher” and the “St. Berdoodle”. I think that the latter might be evidence that not all people are qualified dog breeders
Whoa, I think St. Berdoodle has just taken a flying leap into first place.
Teehee “Berdoodle”!
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.
I have never met one myself
I’ve only seen them online. I don’t think there are too many, but here’s one:
I always liked "maltipoo"
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
so, basically, anything with "doo" or "poo" in the name
I tell you what, we here at redreporter have a certain level of discourse…
by thevole on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
thats a pretty awesome pup you got there.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
that is a great dog, but he's not mine
sorry about that, looks like I was posting my dog and I actually just found a great poodle on google!. My dog is a poodle, though—maybe unsurprisingly. I’ll have to post a pic of him. My laptop crashed recently so I don’t have access to all my pics right now.
Your co-workers require you to feed them?
And take them to the vet and build your schedule around their walking schedules? That’s rough!
by Don, the Rebel without a Blog on Sep 7, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Because it smells and will probably lick me
Sounds like a lot of guys…..just sayin…
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Leave me out of this!
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
I never said you smelled!
The licking is a personal choice……
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Just like kids, but less whiny!
Less rewarding, too, in the long run. But sometimes you gotta take the really long run. :)
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
that's pretty much exactly how I feel about children
I had a great time with my coworker’s little girl at a Reds game last month. I spoiled her in the pro shop, sugared her up with cotton candy and ice cream and got my dose of cuteness, then sent her home with her daddy when she got whiny.
So I understand your feeling on pets. Mine is just reversed.
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the thought of a real life small human that depends on my is scary
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know much about Chacin
but it looks like he has some talent. I honestly don’t remember him pitching 2.2 innings against us in July and allowing a run, but it says he did on MLB.com.
There is absolutely no rational reason for Harang to ever start another game for this team
ever
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
by btcoop71 on Sep 6, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just know
Dave Duncan will cure Harang and he’ll be great again. He own’t be playing for teh Cardinals though, it will be when LaRussa end sp manging, along with Duncan, in Pittsburgh!
how is it i catch all the flack for not being able to write?
you at least deserve an honorable mention!
Imagine a smiley face emoticon.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
Why not just type a smiley face emoticon?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.
it would come out as <P!
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a winking (or blinking) cyclops sticking out his tongue?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.
Perspective
From ESPN’s power rankings:
Since the All-Star break, closer Francisco Cordero has converted 11 straight save opportunities and has a 2.08 ERA with no home runs allowed and a .171 batting average against.
Whatever he did, he got back on track.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I heard that they fixed some of his mechanics.
Apparently his back leg had been collapsing or something.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
/weakintheknees'd
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by RedsMasochist on Sep 7, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He needed his suck filter changed
now it’s filtering out most of the suck
by occams_tiger_teeth on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna pour one out for our ungainly homey tonight.
My favorite Red from 2005-2008. He worked his butt off to get into shape, gave more money to charity than I’ll see in my life, and was generally an inspiration to me. He always gave thoughtful quotes, even when he was frustrated. And he was often improbably screwed over by his offense. I’ve agreed with everything justin’s said and more so. It’s tough to watch an old pitcher sometimes. Even if hes only 32, he got run out there a bit a few years ago.
We’ll all miss you, Mr. Harang. But none moreso than Ondrusek, who now has nobody to borrow pants from when he’s left his in the laundry.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 7, 2010 4:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Heres my hope for a silver lining
in the Harang situation. Hopefully this means ownership will pick up Bronsons option for next year. Even though Harang has been on a backwards slide the past two years it seems managment and the owners were more willing to pay him over Bronson, who has clearly been more effective and valuable to the team. I hate to see this kind of fall from grace, as it were, esp from such a driven guy like Aaron. Hopefully he’ll return to form someday. And hopefully it wont be in the NL Central.
He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.
Why can't Harang go to the bullpen
He still pitches effectively for 2 innings. Please don’t kill me guys: It seems to me that Harang got the shaft that 3rd inning. Two of his walks were very questionable. If he had gotten some of those pitches called appropriately that inning would not have been as bad as it seemed. He’s not a pitcher (anymore) that can overcome bad plate calls.
Also, the rest of the pitching sucked as well.
I see no reason he can't
With the expanded roster, it doesn’t hurt the roster to keep him down there, and as long as they keep him out of high-leverage situations, he should be okay.
I wonder if there’s a college study that shows how exposing my generation to Three’s Company set gender relations back approximately 715 years
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Sep 7, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Harang: Future closer
"Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.
I'm not even convinced of that...
I’m not sure why people want to dump him so quickly. He was pitching pretty well, got hurt, came back way too soon, got shelled. Not really any different from what happened to Volquez this year, or any number of pitchers in any given year.
I don’t know if he’ll be with the Reds or not, but he’ll be pitching again, and probably decently.
There is no chance the Reds bring him back on his $12.75M option
and I think there is a infinitesimal chance they bring him back at all. They have little need for a pitcher like him right now.
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