What does the "Red" in Red Reporter really stand for?
I recently joined Red Reporter because I have been a lifelong Reds fan of more than 30 years. I followed along in a few game threads before joining so I could get an inkling for the types of issues discussed and get a feel for some of the different personalities that frequent the joint. There appear to be lots of knowledgeable fans around here along with some not as much, myself included. I enjoyed the discussions about the Reds mostly, but I also enjoyed some of the non baseball related banter that frequents the site. There are also some things and topics that I didn't enjoy so much, and those I mostly skimmed over or didn't read.
In addition to this site, I also belong to a number of other sites on SB Nation. In fact I even joined Viva El Birdos so that if I felt compelled to, I could join in on the discussions of our biggest current division rival. I even posted a rebuttal to one of their fanposts as it related to the Reds-Cards brawl that several on this site found and brought to the attention of others on the site. Thanks to all who took the time to read and if compelled recommend that post by the way!
However, yesterday, several moderators brought up a topic that I don't agree with at all. It seems that they don't like it when RR members bring topics or opinions from other sites to this one for discussion. Or perhaps it's just from that one particular site? I find this thought process to be rather odd, and in fact quite disturbing. Of course, I am also one of the offending parties who have made posts referencing thoughts from that "other" site. In fact, I am the one who coined "VEWLB" in reference to said site which several members at RR have taken to using on a regular basis. So perhaps I am a bit biased on this issue. Or, perhaps, I am just completely off base and reading too much into things.
What bothers me is that seemingly everything is allowed on this site. I have seen non baseball discussions regarding so many topics that trying to list them all would be impossible to do. I have seen vulgar and offensive language which doesn't bother me in the least, but which others may find offensive. I have tried to sift through inside jokes between long time members while confusedly scratching my head in bewilderment. None of these things are related to the Reds in any way shape or form, yet they are allowed and encouraged. And I have absolutely no problem with that at all.
Seeing that seemingly everything was allowed here, I decided to re-post some topics or comments that I read at another site because first and foremost they were Reds related. I also found them either humorous, asinine, or worthy of discussion. Some of them were replied to and some were not. Just like many other posts around here. Of course I am also not the only one who has done this, so seemingly others see some positives in discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of someones opinions who differ from our own.
Evidently a number of those in power who manage the site don't care for that and have strongly encouraged the rest of us from refraining from posting them in the future. I don't know if that implies that continuing to do so will lead to a ban or not, but the underlying message was pretty clear to me. Conform to our way of thinking or else. (Risk ostracism, criticism, banishment, etc.)
I'm sure that this post will be met with a ton of criticism and frankly I don't really care. I have always stated my mind and stood up for things that I believe in. Being a former military member who served this country in defense of it's core principles, I find the sort of "group think" mentality implied in the discouraging of baseball related discussions originating elsewhere very disturbing. It would be intolerable to me if the "Red" in Red Reporter stands for something more sinister than what most of us assume it stands for.
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i think the dude has a good point
Had this same conversation with several rr’ers the past couple weeks.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 2, 2010 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i think the dude has a good point
Had this same conversation with several rr’ers the past couple weeks.
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 2, 2010 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Give me a break
This is a ridiculous post. We’ve put the kibosh on many conversations over the years. Just because you happened to have one in your first few days on the site does not make you oppressed or ostracized.
As for the VEB crap, I just think it’s stupid. If you want to spend your time worrying about what Cardinals fans are saying about the Reds, go talk on a Cardinals site. I’ve never been a fan of people bringing comments from another site, whether it was the Cardinals, Cubs, or even another Reds site, just so that they can mock the commenter. For one, it’s cheap. If you want to mock what someone is saying, say it to them. I’m certain that if the shoe was on the other foot, and people from another site were stealing our comments when we were despairing about the fall of our team just to mock them, we’d consider it cowardly.
The main reason I don’t care for the repeat of VEB conversations on this site is because I have zero interest in mediating a blog war. I’ve stated this many times. To me, dragging their conversations over here is a way of asking them to start something. I don’t want that.
You’ve obviously taken personal offense to a comment that was directed at the site in general (you are hardly the first person to bring stuff over from VEB just to mock it). I’m not trying to stifle conversation, but if you want to talk about what VEB is saying, go to VEB.
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by Slyde on Sep 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I rec'd this, and I stand by my mini-speech yesterday, for two reasons:
1-I’ve seen many of y’all get quoted, often out of context, on other sites as examples of how we are all backwards, douchey, classless fans. Seems like many of you are doing the same and it’s kind of silly.
2-It’s a bit rich for us to call them “Whiny Little Bitches” if we’re going to whine about everything they say and do. Honestly, the whiniest and most immature stuff on RR is when people are bitching about VEB.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
i think you could type the alphabet and get 4+ recs, slyde
go reds!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I think you're reading wayyyyy too much into things
We let a lot more shit go there than many (any?) of the other SBN sites. I don’t think that it’s necessarily what you posted that people didn’t agree with as much as the tone that came with it.
We’ve never been a community that’s big on attacking others personally. Taking a post from VEWLB that’s interesting in some way wouldn’t be frowned upon at all, but more often than not, the point of bringing that over is “look at this idiot”. Is that a tone that we want RR to be known for? It’s not something we’ve ever done when we were losing, why start it now? Karma’s a bitch.
So my suggestion is let’s keep the making fun of Cardinals fans to a minimum when they’re not coming over to our house causing trouble. If you have something to say about a post over there, post it over there. We’re just fans, we don’t need bulletin board material. We already know what it’s like rooting for a shitty team, let’s let them wallow in their tears in peace. Unless they come over here (or post shot from our site on theirs), in which case, it’s on bitches.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Sep 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I am a doughnut
More-over, This post should be kibosh’d. Just because it’s the internet, doesn’t mean we want to hear your option. And don’t bitch when someone moderates you because you’re trolling around on a site that doesn’t belong to you. If you want an argument, then take this whiny rant to VEB.
WYSIWIG
If you don't like it
please feel free to not read it. It’s interesting that you feel that someone who has a viewpoint that differs from your own should get their post deleted. In fact it falls right in line with the reason I wrote what I did. Thank you for helping me make my point for me.
I represent myself, And I don't have to like you.
But I do, Because you need my attention at the end of the day.
Go Reds!
WYSIWIG
Not sure
If I should be laughing at or with your first comment or not but I am. As for the second sentence – we’re definitely in agreement.
dramaaaaaaa
this should be a comment fanshot email
by jsl413 on Sep 2, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Fair enough
Take it down. It’s your site and you guys obviously are going to run it however you see fit. I read the rules of the site prior to joining and there is nothing in there that I could find regarding the issue everyone is so sensitive to.
it's not a rule
it’s a preference from people that have been on the site for a long time
half of the people don’t care, or enjoy it, and half are annoyed by it, and half don’t wanna deal with any fallout
by jsl413 on Sep 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bowled last night... Team Name - THE SULTANS
This year’s team consisting of Daughter #1’s Father in law, My Son and my buddy Mark (oh and me) are holding on to 7th place in an 18 team league. I did not represent RR well last night as my scores were as follows:
164
179
143
By the way King, I was banned something like 3 or 4 times before finally gaining entree to RR. Cause I didn’t understand the ‘roolz’. RR is a lot like The USA’s democracy – there’s an underlying respect for everyone and all things…but by the same token all things are fair game within relative boundaries (agreed upon and understood by those who visit this place with reularity) . Like a good democracy it is unfair and highly biased but ultimately there is a obc of rights and a strong adherence to King Slyde’s court. In a nutshell…it is a free zone that is self policing…. and that is why it is so fun and interesting and exasperating..oh and it is sanctioned by ACM (the American Council on Sabremetrics).
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
Well
You actually got banned because I thought you were someone else. It was a confusing time.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde
I miss Michael
He could tell all of us how Joey Votto sucks……
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
Please don't confuse my morality treatise with stuff like the truth, JD...
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
no one is going to take the post down
your opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s, and you are free, welcomed, and encouraged to post as much (or as little) as you like.
regarding your initial objection, that’s up to you as well. no one is going to ban you for posting “look at this idiot” material from VEB. it just kinda makes you look like a jerk when you do it (or when anyone else does it). and it would REALLY make you look like a jerk if it started something. we managers of the blog are ultimately responsible if something like that were to happen, and we dont want that. we want to talk about baseball, not moderate a blog war.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
"we managers of the blog are ultimately responsible if something like that were to happen..."
NOT IT!
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
one would think that to be a manager
you would have to actually be managing.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
You'd be surprised at all I do!
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
You're right!
if it turned out you actually were doing something, I’d be shocked!
(love ya, mean it!)
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
My $0.02
You will enjoy this ridiculously good season even more if you tune out the natterings of other team’s superfans. They are truly inconsequential.
Also, it wasn’t as if it was one or two comments from VEB that were re-posted over here. It was in every damn game thread. It got old. I’d much rather talk about our team’s play (or SEC football, Jake’s dietary concerns, social justice in Latin America, etc., etc.) than the worst crap coming out of Cardinals’ fans’ mouths.
I hear Jake got this great, quinoa-only diet from a LSU linebacker
but he’s worried about it not being free trade. Thoughts?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot Jake's social life
AND TRAINS MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
As well as whether or not you're involved in any trains, sir
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
umm, that would be his social life, actually
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
bump, set, spike
HIGH FIVE!
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
I appreciate your input
I have enjoyed this season more than any season the Reds have had since 1990. If they finish in the same position they did that year then this season will likely even surpass that one.
Tuning out differing opinions is something I try not to do. What other fans think or say don’t often bother me. I sometimes learn new things, find humor in their angst or even feel some empathy because I have been there and done that over the course of my many years on this planet.
Like many others, I also find quite a few things at nearly every site I’ve been to that I don’t agree with, don’t understand, or just don’t want to read because it doesn’t interest me. Instead of trying to force my opinion on those folks though, I have learned to ignore or skip over them. Something I clearly wish others would do more often.
Come on
There shouldn’t be anything in the rules of the site discouraging starting flame wars with other team blogs. This is getting ridiculous.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's one thing if they post things over here
But their blog is their territory. Who cares what they say over there?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Sep 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are laws and then there is shit you don't do because it is weak
I don’t mean to jab at you, but might it be you that is being the sensitive one?
I don’t mind talking about what others are talking about. I don’t know that copy-paste-gigglesnort is productive.
I think most of what has happened isn’t evil, but maybe it’s a nip-it-in-the-bud issue. Then again, I come from the internets and it’s really bad out there.
Gnight, Slim
I'm not going to delete this
But I do want to explain something to everyone. It’s not the posting of stuff from other sites that is the problem. If you see a rumor about someone being available or TLR getting arrested again on another site, post that. What bothers me is the “Hey, look what this moran said!” stuff that has become all too common lately. You may be just having a laugh, but it ends up meaning more work for the mods since now we have to start paying attention for people coming over to fight back. We don’t want to be hunting for people to ban or comments to delete.
We’ve never had a problem with this in the past. Almost every interaction we’ve had with other sites in the past has been in fun. This is why we haven’t had a rule about this. We’ve always been able to maintain civility both on this site and others. Let’s try to keep it that way.
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Just don't let Nyjer Morgan on here please
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
That was so far behind him
I could see it hitting Prince Fielder… He has a little more junk in the trunk than skinny ass’d Nyjer Morgan
WYSIWIG
"Hey, look what this moran said!"
Did you pick that because the “Get a brain, Morans” guy was wearing a St Louis shirt?
Gnight, Slim
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"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
by jch24 on Sep 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
On a side note
I thought McCarthyism died a LONG damned time ago?
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
Root 'em out Joe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jEGUOv68-s
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im just glad he insinuated we were Communists
instead of Nazis.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Please explain the difference to me
Using a chalkboard and only the most cursory familiarity with world history.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism dude
at least it’s an ethos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
phone's ringin', dude.
i say that to people all the time at work, and only 2 people have ever replied with “thank you, donny.”
by Heeringa on Sep 2, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, so actually I'm kind of offended by this!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
So did I
Hence the concern. Seriously though, thanks to the mods, and Slyde in particular, for clarifying the underlying issue. I definitely do not want to create additional work for those who are doing a good job keeping this site up and running. I apologize for utilizing the wrong forum to address my concerns and now know to go directly to Slyde or another mod if I have a concern such as this one in the future.
Ffather Coughlin'd
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
What is does the Red stand for?

Che Chapman.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Suddenly I want to watch the news in my tennis shoes while eating a cheeseburger in my minivan!
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while planning a revolution?
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Yes....A Dance Dance Revolution!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
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Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
alright jerks
take your stupid football somewhere else. the Buckeyes play tonight!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And then Stevie got loose....

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
With legs that far apart I can see why you'd say that
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
The fact that this is a big deal is fucking RAD.
Know why? Because we’re winning.
How often did we ever give 2 craps about checking out other teams websites to see what they said about our beloved Reds? I never did…just like I never wanted to watch ESPN’s MLB highlight reels. We weren’t on it, we weren’t good, and I frankly didn’t care to hear what outsiders said about the team that I loved.
This year has been different…pleasantly, surprisingly different. We’re winning, and frankly I often don’t know what to do with myself.
I don’t want to sound like I’ve been here for years because I have not. It’s been nearly 2 years since I started coming over to RR, and the premise of my first visits were to find Reds fans who were likeminded and knowledgable about not just our team, but the game of baseball, so as to try to find good ideas as to how to improve our crappy team.
Flash forward to 2010…we can’t talk about that nearly as in depth anymore. There are limited trade ideas, FA proposals, or butts-in-seats gimmicks to propose these days, as our franchise is winning in bunches, our AAA team is winning in bunches, and our only high paid players are coming off the books (if we “want” them to, does it get better than this??) As a result, the underdog, scrutinize-the-books-and-farm-system mentality more often than usual has ben eschewed for the look-how-good-we-are mindset. That’s hard to argue with, but it can get obnoxious.
The Cards, be they whiney little bitches or kick-our-ass multi timed divisional champions, have whipped our asses a bunch. They’re behind us in the standings this year…I get it. That doesn’t mean I really want to go smear it in their face and then smear their bloggers over here. From the best of my knowledge, they never did it to us.
Essay completed, and apologies for the squinting I’ve forced, but I think what Slyde and the mods (band name…?) are getting at is the “act like you’ve been here before, because we’ll be there again, and again, and again…” mantra. I like that. I don’t want to fuck that up.
Coebra, I loved your poem btw. I just really don’t like the Cardinals to the point where I really couldn’t care if they’d solved world peace on VEWLB…I don’t want to read it.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 2, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Whatever.
Keep doin’ what you do, Coebra.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 3, 2010 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
'nukkah, the Sarah Palin of RR mods
He’ll go rogue all over your ass!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't really want to single you out for this, but you sort of did it yourself.
The mods chastised you for posting something ONCE and your FIRST reaction is to exclaim ‘groupthink! censorship! oppression!’, with, of course, an oblique reference to another improper use of the first amendment. This is a “reds” “discussion” “community”. There is absolutely NOTHING crazy in the owner and moderators of a website deciding what the bounds of discussion is going to be.
Look, this site is not a free-for-all. Did someone ban you? Did they delete your comments? When someone disagrees with a group, why do they immediately shout ‘groupthink!’ as if there’s no reason whatsoever for multiple people to have a difference of opinion? Yes, it is groupthink. The group thinks you’re wrong. There are definitely people here who do want to dredge up nutty comments from other sites, for criticsm, rebuttal, and general derision; most of the mods don’t want to deal with the crap that stirs up (though with the number they have, it’s pretty hard to establish a quorum), and I don’t like it just because I find it both cruel and boring, which, honestly, is a fairly unique combination.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.
I usually just skip the VEB comments
What they have to say doesn’t interest me.
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
its best to skip most comments more than a couple lines long
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Sep 3, 2010 9:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmmm, cruel and boring....
The SAW movies? C-Span tv? Water torture?
You’re right, that is a pretty rare combo.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Sep 3, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my ex-gf?
High five!
Anyone? Anyone?
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
by jch24 on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can rec that
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
oblique is one of my favorite words...
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
Fair enough
I have no problem with being singled out, being wrong, or being corrected (for the most part). I just don’t like it when people tell me to do something without giving me legitimate reasons or explanations for their requests.
I wanted some answers and knew this approach would hit a nerve, thus resulting in some dialogue behind the reasoning why this issue is such a hot topic around here. Was it necessarily the right or best way to get my answer? Probably not. But ultimately it served its purpose as it appears to be a relatively hot topic, and mostly devoid of the innane banter permeating the large majority of the normal threads around here.
Bottom line is I didn’t understand why folks who tried to steer the conversation in threads back to a discussion of the Reds were being singled out.. I now have a better understanding of why some around here feel the way they do. That’s a good thing.
You had me at Fair enough...
Welcome, young King!
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
"I just don’t like it when people tell me to do something without giving me legitimate reasons or explanations for their requests."
From the original post: “Being a former military member……”
These two statements do not mesh. :).
"Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman
by jch24 on Sep 6, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I pretty much ignore VEB (that's probably a good thing), but I see where KC is coming from.
There’s no reason to mess with individuals and start a fight, nor do I really think there’s much reason to ever post on their blog, but I don’t think some back and forth trash talk is going to do a ton of harm. Don’t go over that and act completely classless and ban the people that post over here from there who do the same and it seems like a pretty easy fix. It’s not like we have raging daily flame wars with them and enjoying the misery of Cardinals fans absolutely should be one of the things Reds fans get to enjoy, and let the discussion of Reds/Cards baseball continue. By and large I think King Coebra is overstating the point, but there have been instances where certain mods get exceptionally overzealous in their moderation of Reds/Cards discussion.
Basically: Don’t go over there, drop the banhammer if any of them come over and start anything, and if you’re sharing moronic comments from them, at least don’t single out the person that said it making them more likely to come over and start shit.
FWIW
We never threatened to ban anybody who brought stuff over from VEB. My complaint was mainly that it was annoying to have to read so much of what they said in our threads and that it would be something that people would bitch about if we found out it was happening to us. I don’t think it’s a banable offense. I also don’t believe in banning people from other sites who are coming over here unless they are total douchenozzles.
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