Reds win the battle of starters; relief, not so much. Final: Pirates 3, Reds 1.
Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
I guess this has to go to Andrew McCutchen, who batted with the bases loaded and two outs in the top of the ninth...and hit an absolutely horrible 1-2 pitch from Francisco Cordero for a double to clear the bases and put the Pirates up 3-1.
If not for the craptastic ninth inning this would have gone to Johnny Cueto, who pitched a great game: seven shutout innings. He only allowed three hits and two walks.
Gray's Slightly Sarcastic Star of the Game Award goes to Francisco Cordero, who blew the game in the ninth by walking one and allowing three hits.
Key Plays
- The Reds only managed four hits and a walk in seven innings off of Brian Burres, who came into the game sporting a gaudy 5.75 ERA. Two of those hits were consecutive doubles by Orlando Cabrera and Joey Votto, which scored the Reds' only run.
- Two of the Pirates' three hits (both singles) in the seventh put runners on the corners with two outs, but Cueto struck out Ronny Cedeno to end the threat. Reds still up, 1-0.
- Logan Ondrusek started the eighth, getting two outs before giving up a single. Dusty pulled him in favor of Arthur Rhodes, who walked the first batter he faced but got a Pedro Alvarez groundout to end the inning.
- Dusty of course put Francisco Cordero in to try to get the save. He did not do so. Instead, he started out by walking John Bowker and giving up a single to Ryan Doumit. Lastings Milledge tried to bunt them over, but the Reds got the lead runner to keep runners on first and second with one out.
- This didn't last, since pinch hitter Garrett Jones singled to load the bases. After Jose Tabata grounded into a fielder's choice that caught the lead runner, McCutchen came to bat. We already know what happened next.
- The Reds made two quick outs in the bottom of the ninth, then loaded the bases on a HBP, a single, and a walk. Chris Heisey struck out looking to end the game.
Other Notes
- Three Reds went 0 for 4 today: Brandon Phillips, Jonny Gomes, and Chris Heisey. Sigh.
- Reds starters Edinson Volquez, Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto combined to give up 1 run in 21 innings this series. None of them was credited with a win, since the bullpen combined to give up 9 ER in 10 innings, four of these extra innings necessitated by the bullpen's work.
- In those 21 innings, the starters gave up 9 hits and walked 3. In the 10 innings of relief? 13 hits and 4 walks.
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Not even close, but let's not talk the other two
Am I the only person who wishes Coco’s was a free agent at the end of the season?
You are not
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, two days ago would have been better
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
The incredibly high leverage in multiple situations is kind of impressive though.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
1-0 will do that, I suppose.
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I really wonder if Dusty is going to start using Masset or Rhodes in closing situations. Maybe even Chapman?
Whatever happens, CoCo needs a break.
Also, FTH is up with Sunday afternoon games, middling lefty starters, and zero offense?
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The last time the Chapman pitched in a clutch situation he gave up a go ahead single? Is that right
With that said, go with Jordan Smith or Bernie Stowe. Merker did a good job announcing, bring him in
He gave up a single on a 99 mph fastball that was pretty well placed
Also, he has 9 Ks and just 2 walks so far, so I’d take my chances with him.
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Well, let's look at the other options.
- Rhodes is liable to break down at any point, though I don’t see why he can’t be used as a closer if he’s going to be used anyway.
- Masset has had two bad outings out of his last three, though he had an awfully long stretch of being lights out. August and September WHIP: 0.76
- Ondrusek has not been looking so great lately, with a WHIP of 1.56 in August and September (also 4 HRs allowed in 17.1 innings).
- Smith has had similar issues in Aug/Sept, though his WHIP is a relatively good 1.35. He’s allowed 3 HRs in 17 innings over that period.
- Bray has had a couple of really bad outings recently, but his Aug/Sept WHIP is 1.24. But he seems to be a lot worse than this against righties.
- Chapman is untested, sure, but his WHIP is 0.9.
So I guess basically…there aren’t really any great options, but why not try one or more of Masset, Rhodes and Chapman in the closer’s role?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Oh, to use the same metric for Cordero
August and September WHIP: 1.5.
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well
Sunday is Rolen’s day off.
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Reds have faced a lefty on a Sunday 10 times this year
They have scored:
0 – 3 times
1 – 1 time
3 – 3 times
5 – 2 times
14 – 1 time
So in 9 of the 10 games, they’ve scored a total of 20 runs.
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Average including that game: 3.4 runs/game
Without it, they’re at 2.22 runs/game. Ouch.
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anyone watching the replay game?
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Rose just got the hit
and I got goose bumps
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by Caleb on Sep 12, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just missed it.
When I turned it on he was standing at 1st acknowledging the crowd. Was still pretty damn cool. And neat that Joe Morgan was working in the booth.
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by DocRam on Sep 13, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Suggestion
DFA Cordero’s ass and bring in an outfielder.
(only being 4/5 sarcastic)
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
i think cordero can out OPS
the current corner outfielders…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Sep 12, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair
if the offense only scores one run ya gotta expect to lose the vast majority of those games.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Except that Cordero only came in because the Reds were still leading.
If they’re not up 1-0 in the ninth, we don’t see Cordero there.
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Yes,
but if you enter the 9th inning with a 1 run lead with the bottom of the Pirates order coming up, ya gotta expect to win the vast majority of those game.
Even not taking into account the crappiness of the lineup...
look at that fangraph. Win probability is over 80% until Cordero comes in.
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other than Chapman
i don’t think there’s a better option.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
fuck, lets try the other $12M arm...
It is amazing how good this team is, considering about 1/3 of its payroll is tied up in two very sub-standard pitchers.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Activate Mike Lincoln
He can play OF in a pinch!
by Brian B on Sep 12, 2010 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Word from Dusty, via Fya
Baker also said Cordero is the closer, period, end of story.
"I know people are hollering for this person or that person … He’s our closer," Baker said. “I feel terrible for Coco because he’s a great teammate and we need him.”
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Like I said on Twitter
I wish the Reds would start using situational relief in the 9th inning. To me, that makes more sense in the playoffs anyway. Shouldn’t be playing to a stat in the playoffs for any reason. At that point, you want the best match up possible at all times.
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by Slyde on Sep 12, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can keep wishing it
but we all have to know that there’s no way Dusty will ever do that.
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good lord
dusty’s managing a first place ballclub…give the dude SOME of the credit.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I'm not withholding credit for that
and I thought to add, after posting the comment, that Dusty has seemed more flexible than usual in how he uses some of his other relievers.
But Dusty seems determined not to change his mind on the closer role. It’s just not going to happen. Are you arguing that this is not true?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
i wouldn't change my mind on the closer role either
not in September.
IF the Reds show enough offense in the postseason i think Coco will step it up a notch.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I would have loved to see him step it up a notch today, in a situation where we have yet to clinch.
I said it yesterday, I’ll say it again, it’s his job to get the last three outs, shouldn’t matter if it’s 1-0 or 7-6.
He didn’t do his job today. Neither did the offense, but they did enough to get the win before he gave three runs.
"We've been in this position before. We're going to go through bad stretches. This is one of them. You dig down a little deeper." - Joey Votto
Yeah, I don't see how the offense is going to help him pitch better.
What’s the proposed mechanism for that? Cordero sees guys scoring, so he decides not to throw crappy 0-2 sliders in the middle of the plate?
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nah
but a little room for error is an underrated thing.
yet another Sunday offensive day off. think the fellas hit the town hard on saturday nights?!?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
No, I think this is a combination of a few things:
1) Scott Rolen wasn’t playing
2) BP is a huge hole at the top of the lineup, hitting .154/.214/.179 in 42 PAs since his return
3) Heisey at the very least needs a day or two off. In 102 PAs in Aug/Sept, he’s hitting .222/.297/.333
Oh, and Gomes hasn’t exactly been tearing it up. It’s just going to be hard to score too many runs when we run out a lineup where Gomes is hitting cleanup.
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I just have to repeat myself...
It’s in my contract.
If Gomes and the catcher were switched in the lineup, once again, we would have scored more runs.
At this point, Gomes is a giant anchor around the team’s neck. I don’t understand how this team can win with somebody batting that badly in the 4th, 5th, or 6th spot. Makes me wonder, if we acquire a good left fielder this offseason, just how good this team could be.
He actually threw a pretty good 0-2 slider
It was the 1-2 slider that floated over the middle of the plate.
by Brian B on Sep 13, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay, so we'll just have to disagree on that.
I don’t think it’s useful to focus on the role instead of using your best pitchers in the most important situations. You and Dusty disagree.
My point was that Dusty just isn’t going to change his mind, no matter how many people point out that a change in strategy might be a good idea.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
arroyo has the 4th lowest WHIP on the staff
kinda surprised me.
Masset is 9th and Coco is 11th. Ack!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Yeah, though there's a big gap between Masset and Coco
Masset’s WHIP is 1.286, and Cordero’s was 1.461 coming into today, so he’s allowing somewhere around 15% more baserunners per inning.
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i think to simply say Dusty is being stubborn is an over-simplification.
I’m guessing if Coco were in the final year of his contract, he would be removed from the closers rule, as Harang was removed from the rotation. As I said in the last game thread, the Reds are in a bit of a tough spot. They still owe Coco a ton of money for 2011. Cordero still throws in the mid-90s, and the Reds and Cordero would all be better off if he can right the ship, rather than to have to demote a 12M contract to middle relief. There really isn’t a good solution, other than to fine Wayne Krivksy and ask him for $12M.
That being said, if Coco struggles next year, I would expect to see him DFA’d, traded with cash, sent to middle relief.
This is kinda why I woudn’t mind seeing Coco suffering a broken finger, so he can be out of commission for the remainder of the season, the Reds can try somebody else in the closers role, and he can get another chance at it next year.
Having a terrible season followed by a good one isn’t unheard of for Cordero. He blew 9 saves in 15 opportunities in 2006 for Texas, and was than traded to Milwuakee, and we all know what he did there.
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by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
paging tonya harding ... paging tonya harding
"Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.
i really don't see how more runs will help Coco find command.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i called for that in the game thread
and was told I was going too far.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you did
and now you’ll regret it when CoCo isplaced on the Red’s fictional DL with a oblique strain
by featherman on Sep 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
probably true
because at the same time, Chapman will have a stiff neck, Bray will have an achy elbow, Rhodes foot will fall off, Masset will have broken chin, Ondrusek will have a sore medulla oblongata, Maloney will have a broken left little toe, LeCure will be kidnapped, Smith will have sore collar bone, and Fisher’s will have Lyme’s disease, leaving Harang and Herrera to hold the bag.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So sad, these last few games.
It looked for a little while like Cordero might have actually turned it around. Time to abandon that hope.
Dude sucks.
He doesn't suck, he's just wildly inconsistent
Which, for a closer, may be about the same thing I guess
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by nycredsfan on Sep 12, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He seems impressively consistent, actually.
Appearances going back to August 1:
1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 0 H, 2 BB
0.1 IP, 0 H, 3 BB
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 1 H, 2 BB
1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB
2 IP, 2 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB
0.1 IP, 4 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB
1 IP, 3 H, 1 BB
So in 17 appearances, I count only 5 where he didn’t allow a baserunner. That’s consistency!
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10/17 games with a WHIP at or under 1
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
There are only 4 players this year with over 20 saves and a WHIP at or under 1
Pretty surprising. Unsurprisingly though, Cordero’s second worst on that list (going into today).
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by BK on Sep 12, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Reds pitchers with lower WHIP than Francisco Cordero:
Aroldis Chapman
Arthur Rhodes
Travis Wood
Bronson Arroyo
Bill Bray
Jordan Smith
Logan Ondrusek
Johnny Cueto
Nick Masset
Homer Bailey
and after tonight, you can add Mike Leake to that list. Cordero just went ahead and brought his WHIP to a round 1.5.
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Sure, for a WHIP of 1.38 over that period.
Let me say it again: the WHIP for all Reds pitchers is 1.346 this year. So yeah, it’s not so great that the guy who tends to come into games in more important situations is below average in terms of allowing baserunners.
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Let's see what should they do?
Leave CoCo in these same situations and ruining a playoff run for the rest of the organization (mostly because Dusty is stubborn and doesn’t want to hurt his veteran closer’s feeling/confidence) or experimenting with other options while we have a little leeway the last few weeks. While it’s true Dusty has pulled the team together in his non-situational management -they are a good team, and he’s saddled with injuries and a closers bad contract, said closer needs to be changed. At least try before the playoffs.
Dusty is acting like a turd-with his comments. He’s already on record saying he would put the feelings of his veterans before winning.
Crap, I didn't even get the title right.
It made sense in my head, and then I wrote something incorrect. Alas.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I think they might be able to solve CoCo's problem
or at least soften the damage by only pitching him in every other save situation.
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I wonder what his stats are if you go every other day
Rob Dibble, Norm Charlton, and Randy Myers were nasty boys. Arthur Rhodes is a nasty MAN. by Brendanukkah
Half as many blown saves!
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by Gray on Sep 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
watching the 4192 game
players were much smaller back in the day
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So, Dusty's position is
to live or die with CoCo in save situations. Depressing. A Reds playoff run is going to be partly decided by this.
Not sure if this is news or not, but...
I saw this on my fantasy baseball page:
Sun, Sep 12
Bruce (sore right side) is available to pinch-run and play defense on Sunday, reports Mark Sheldon of MLB.com.
Recommendation: The report also mentions that the Reds are targeting Tuesday as a return to the starting lineup for Bruce. Once he does return, he is unlikely to play every day. Doctors say he won’t be fully healthy until he has time to rest over the winter.
(Rotowire.com)
I really don’t like this. Jay was playing great when he went down, and now it appears that we won’t have him at 100% until next season.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
crap
Doctors say he won’t be fully healthy until he has time to rest over the winter.
That doesn’t sound good.
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Hal McCoy mentioned this this morning...
THE LATEST (yeah, another ‘latest’) on Jay Bruce?
"Getting close," said manager Dusty Baker. "He is available now to pinch-run and play defense. I’d rather wait, though. He looks like he is on target to play some time at mid-week, trying for Tuesday. They said he won’t completely heal until over the winter. So waiting a couple of more weeks for his side to heal is not going to help. I’ll have to space him with his playing time. He did let it out yesterday (Saturday) and swung pretty good."
Bruce, Orlando Cabrera and Jim Edmonds all have side injuries that won’t completely heal before the season is over and Baker said, "You can add Chris Heisey and Arthur Rhodes to that list (of guys who won’t heal by season’s end)."
Baker smiled and shook his head, then said, "At this time of year if something is not wrong with you, you probably didn’t play very much. In order to win, somebody – everybody – has to overextend some. You certainly don’t want to hurt anybody, that’s the last thing you want, but as a player this late you have to overextend some. You think about guys like Curt Schilling and Kirk Gibson. Like they told us when I played, you have all winter to rest and heal. You tell them, ‘But my legs are about to fall off,’ and they’d say, ‘You’ll be all right. You have all winter to rest and heal."
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Holy crap
It just gets worse.
Bruce, Orlando Cabrera and Jim Edmonds all have side injuries that won’t completely heal before the season is over and Baker said, “You can add Chris Heisey and Arthur Rhodes to that list (of guys who won’t heal by season’s end).”
If that’s true, then why the heck did they hesitate so long to DL them/get replacements?
Dusty concedes that he’s going to have to “space out” their playing time…so who’s going to get that playing time? Arrrrrgh.
Meanwhile, it’s 3-2, Bulls over Bats. Top of the 7th. Loser goes home.
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If the Bats losing means we get another OF...
then go Bulls.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
nah
i believe a AAA championship trophy is much more important than a World Series trophy.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bats lose...
Send us your outfielders, please.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
None of them are on the roster
They could cut Edmonds loose.
And there’s probably bullpen help on the way. Got some relief pitchers on the roster.
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Yep...
cut Edmonds. DFA Danny Ray if you have to. But playing with 3 OFs is just stupid at this point.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
so
Who’s going to tell us who’s being called up? The Fay? Jamie Ramsey? The Bats’ Twitter feed?
I suppose, this being the Reds, it will be a state secret until game time tomorrow. :-P
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My guess...
Danny Ray, EDR, Burton and that’s it.
What I hope happens: 60-day Edmonds, DFA Danny Ray, add Wlad and Dorn/Sappelt to the 40 man.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
I'd rather add Dorn than Sappelt
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by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's worth considering putting Leake on the 60 day DL
There’s no indication he’s going to pitch in the near future – and when does, MAYBE at the end of the season, he’ll be out of the bullpen, where there’s less need in the playoffs and there’s likely another guy who can do the job just as well. Why not save his arm and shut him down? We don’t need a pinch runner / pinch hitter who isn’t a specialist in either.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 12, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm pretty sure if Leake came back today
he and LeCure would have pretty even value for the remainder of the season.
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by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's probably fair
Leake is a first-round pick and long-term asset for the team. It might just make sense to shut him down. Leake didn’t look any better than Harang in his last few starts / out of the bullpen, for that matter.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 13, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It's more like 2 at this point
Heisey is hurt, and apparently won’t fully recover til the offseason? Both he and Gomes just can’t be trusted as fulltime players, at least not at this point in the season. I think they need to add two OF – and they shouldn’t have any qualms about exposing Dorn and Balentien to waivers again when the time comes.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 12, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see someone who can play CF called up
Which would be Sappelt, I suppose. Unless they can find a free agent somewhere, and avoid the roster issues that would come with adding Sappelt.
But…if Heisey can’t be trusted, who plays CF if Stubbs is sick or injured? Neither Dorn nor Balentien have the range or glove for CF. Bruce could be an emergency CFer, but he’s not healthy, either. And nobody wants to see Cairo or Gomes in CF.
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willy taveras
GMJ!
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by obc2 on Sep 12, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This comment is funny
if only because I bet Gary Matthews Jr is kicking himself really, really hard right now. He’d have been up here 2 weeks ago if he didn’t get all pissy and opt out. Meanwhile, he just hit a homer against his son in MLB2K10.
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The really depressing thing is that...
he hit the home run with Joey Votto; GMjr is 0-4 with 3k’s in the game.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Sep 12, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they wanted him
Couldn’t they still get him?
I seriously doubt there was any problem with his opting out. Happens all the time in the minors. Veterans who sign minor league contracts routinely get opt-out clauses, and use them.
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yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's not doing much else these days
the question would be if he’s fit or not.
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I bet
he’s more fit than Edmonds.
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I think Heisey can be trusted
to a point. But his health and performance has suffered from playing every day. I really don’t think Sappelt is going to be added to the 40-man right now. He started the year in A-ball and I doubt they want to make a permanent 40-man addition if they don’t have to. Any CF-capable outfielder is going to have to come off the waiver wire.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 12, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nix should be coming back soon, right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 12, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummmm, considering he still can't run? Doubt it.
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nuts
i cant believe im saying this, but i kinda miss that ugly no-good bastard.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 12, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The Edmonds trade just continues to haunt the Reds
hopefully no disaster happens where Cairo, Leake, Yonder, END, or Janish or somebody ever has to see time in the OF, but it’s a distinct possibility right now. Laynce nix needs to heal up; what’s the story on him right now?
Oh, and never thought I’d be pining for Nix to return ASAP to the lineup.
I think Nix is in a bad way
Last I checked he wasn’t able to run. At bare minimum, they need to add one outfielder. I wager that putting either Edmonds of Leake on the 60-day DL will have little or no effect on the outcome of the season, considering it’s far from clear that either of them will be capable of returning.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 12, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Walt is biding his time and it's killing this team.
There are guys like Edmonds, Leake, and Nix who probably won’t play again this year, so why not put them on the 60-day and get somebody up here or sign a guy or pull someone off the waiver wire?
Why are Edmonds and Leake on the active roster if they are physically unable to play their positions?
Why is Phillips active, when Valaika filled in for him fine?
They’re playing like they have a 1-game lead and it’s killing this team right now. With 3 weeks left, this is going down to the wire, and if they make the playoffs, this team will be held together by duct tape and baling wire.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
why is Phillips active?
there is no reason to DL him at this point.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 12, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced this is down to the wire.
We’ve got a 6 game lead with 19 games to go. I don’t want Walt to panic and start trading for people who won’t even be allowed to play in the offseason.
It may be that whatever Phillips’ problem is, it’s helped more than hurt by playing it. I don’t know what it is.
If Edmonds and Leake are going to be ready for the playoffs (and I’m betting they are) there’s no reason to deactivate them.
I understand that Chapman does MUCH better when he gets an innings’ notice instead of being in halfway through an inning. He’ll also be far more valuable in the playoffs if he can stop the bleeding mid-inning.
But it all comes down to- OK, they’ve gambled that they can make the playoffs even with the experimenting and suchlike. As long as they succeed, I can’t fault them for that.
If our magic number is 10 after the Arizona series, I’ll be happy.
If Valaika were starting instead of Phillips, who would we have to pinch run for Hernandez?
by Brian B on Sep 13, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Arroyo.
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Leake and Arroyo are probably faster than BP
by Highlifeman21 on Sep 13, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Corky.
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
whatever happened to Luis Terrero?
He was supposed to be a “break glass in case of emergency” OFer. At 30, he’s not a prospect, so exposing him to waivers shouldn’t be a problem. He appears to be a CFer by trade, and hit well enough in Louisville.
He’s listed as on the “temporarily inactive list.” That might just mean the Bats chose to leave him off their playoff roster. So why isn’t he called up?
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I wondered that too
On paper at least, he’d be a good man for the job.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 12, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How about this guy:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000282576588&ref=search
Phone's ringing, Dude.
are you facebook friends with him?
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Yeah, the 2 homers broke the Triple Crown race. Votto and CarGo had a much better path when winning the Triple Crown each involved them simply being awesome and Pujols being terrible – now they both need the best HR streak of their careers and Pujols getting nothing. I have anyone winning the Triple Crown a 600-1 shot or so at this point.
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by D.Szymborski on Sep 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bets anyone?
Over/Under 10 Blown Saves total for Cordero by the end of the year. Remember, he had a week off, then faced the Pirates, and go wrecked 2 of the 3 days. And who is going to be called up, my guess when we DFA someone then we bring up Dorn, I just like his name. Danny Dorn, rhymes with corn, porn, Beast (whaaa???).
My new stat: The SGTGDSRAC
“Too gd stressful relief appearance for closer” percentages:
Games allowing 2 or more base runners. [not adjusting for innings, also not counting where 1 allowed and was homerun]
Wagner 10/62 0.161290323
Rivera 9/54 0.166666667 (includ……ed since you cite his hbp blown from the weekend)
Lidge 11/41 0.268292683
Street 12/39 0.307692308
Wilson 21/62 0.338709677
Bell 20/57 0.350877193
Hoffman 17/47 0.361702128
Coco 27/67 0.402985075
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
I also need to somehow incorporate inherited runners
dunno where to find it without to day by day
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
by supergrover on Sep 12, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed all the game threads
was at the game today and it was a gut punch. The offense was listless again, but Cordero cant’t do that 2 out of 3 days, he just can’t. I was prepared for it to happen, though , so maybe it didn’t affect me as much as it used to, but it was still difficult to watch.
Nevertheless, I had nice seats, got to go with my dad (he doesn’t get out to many games) and it was a beautiful day—thinking postivie here! We have to resolve that outfielder issue though. That is putting too much stress on three guys who are already pretty well fatigued.
by Red_Poodle on Sep 12, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for going to the game with your dad
"Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.
And against the Pirates too
That’s at least three meltdowns I can remember Cordero has had against Pittsburgh. It’s not so much that he’s a totally ineffectual closer, but that he’s capable of breaking down any time – and it doesn’t much matter the quality of competition he’s facing.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 13, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cards are beating up he Braves
I really didn’t expect that game to go that way. I hope the Reds come out looking better tomorrow. They looked very fatugued and weak against the Pirates. They won the series, though, and that’s what matters.
McCutchen's double was on a 1-2 count, not 0-2.
by Brian B on Sep 12, 2010 10:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So I return from DC and:
As of this writing the Reds are 6.5 ahead og the Cards…although that may drop to 6.
I’ve been unable to follow the team as the FMM was able to effectively schedule every minute of every day in Washington with really cool stuff to do.
Lets see if I have it right:
!. After a brief couple games where CoCo looked OK, he’s back to sucking. Unlike everyone else, I believe that Coco may suddenly come up with a ‘sore pinky’ and have to take a few days off. We may see some Masset action soon. I doubt that Anybody in the brain trust is willing to give Androidis a shot.
2. BP has sucked since returning from his hand injury: It (his hand) is prolly not full healed.He’s prolly back too soon. If this is the case then ‘Bad Dusy! Bad!’.
3. Jay Bruce is still hurt? : What is the deal here? If he’s hurt he should have been on the DL retro-active and Wlad the Impotent should have had a some starts.
4.Rolen and Arthur are worn out: Well there’s this kid named Valiaka who swings like a girl…and then there’s Androidis again.
5. Gomes is running low on steam: What’s the story with Laynce?
Good news is that this team has shown great resilience and is just going to have to grind it out. And I predict that they will. And I predict they win the Central, win the Pennant and we’ll see how it goes against the Yanks in the WS.
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
you mean TX in the world series
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
by Howie Feltersnatch on Sep 12, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't visit any of my creepy internet friends cause the FMM had the entire trip scheduled for full DC impact.
So we saw: Memorials, Sculpture gardens, garden gardens, Botanic Gardens, Smithonsians, Old Towne Alexandria, Takoma Park, silver Spring and Georgetown, went to Mount vernon (Monticello is way better), several historical houses,The Capitol, the Treasury, The National Gallery, The Renwick Gallery, The Cochoran Gallery, The Phillips Collection Gallery, antique stores, billions of great restaurants, did the White House, had brunch with Barry and Shelly and the Kids, got 2 texts from Daedalus, camped for 4 days in Maryland, stayed at the Hotel Goerge (or George the Hotel) and had a great time. I’m sure there’s other stuff that I can’t think of right now. Oh hell yeah…mmmmmmmmmmm
DC women are very attractive…a fit and stylish bunch..especiall enjoyed the summer frocks and the everyone out running around in well running gear… I would like to have gone to some shows or caught a local band but time would not permit…oh and of course all the DC pages.. like this group of studious young women..
and I learned a lot about George Washington on this trip tooo… He was the Father of our Country and not jch….
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
if you come to Chicago i'm going to send you 3 texts
just to out do D.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 13, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
question
is it overly optimistic to want to write Friday off to rust and today off as a product of being used 3 days in a row.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
being overly optimistic makes the short term easier to digest.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
by justin007000 on Sep 13, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry, hit enter too fast
Imeant to say “what’s concerning me alot is the offense”. It has looked really sluggish the past week or so.
it should be mentioned
this was really a “hard hit balls ending in gloves” day for the offense. Pedro Alvarez played like Brooks Robinson for some weird reason.
I’m pretty grumpy right now myself, but there’s a four-game series against a real subaverage Arizona team next, and they’re coming from Colorado so their bats will be as out of whack as the Reds’ were last series. So lets see a blowout happen.
Oh yeah, and maybe giving Valaika some 2b time and grabbing a couple outfielders would be nice, kthx?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Just keep winning serieses and they'll do fine
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If the Reds win or split every remaining series
the Cardinals have to go 19-2 to tie.
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Magic number is at 15
Let’s shave 3 more off that number in the next series ourselves!
I was angry yesterday, but now I’ve calmed. Baseball is a game of streaks. The Reds are in a really rough patch right now, yet they still have a 6 game lead. (Look at the Padres and Braves for example). We have three weeks to right the ship in time for the playoffs.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
'Rats fans
don’t think Alvarez is very good at 3rd, the certain future 1st baseman. He played really well in the games I saw this year and is even popping up on BBTN highlights.
My opinion of this game is that it sucked.
Way to groove one right down the middle for McCutchen. The Pirates announcers were really trashing Cordero from the first pitch, and I didn’t disagree with anything they were saying.
At least the Reds made it interesting in the bottom of the 9th. Good little rally, even if it fell short. Even Heisey’s PA was a pretty good little battle, despite the taken third strike.
-j
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Lance McAlister was trying to blame Hernandez for Cordero's struggles this year
Hernandez didn’t leave that meatball yesterday right over the plater….
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And also Hernandez rules
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Do does O'Doyel
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Yeah
I tweeted those same catcher’s ERA numbers yesterday because someone asked what they were, but I also noted the serious sample size issue. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything to the Hernandrz vs. Hanigan difference.
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by Slyde on Sep 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree. Spurious correlation, as it were.
Correlation does not prove causation!
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 13, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Lawyer talk is strictly forbidden in the RR bi-rules...
If a guy hits .300 every year, what does he have to look forward to? I always tried to stay around .190, with three or four RBI. And I tried to get them all in September. That way I always had something to talk about during the winter.
Bob Uecker
Good thing I'm not a lawyer, then!
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Sep 13, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If I ever say "spurious and spuriouser" in a legal setting, I promise to apologize for this.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
agreed
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
And he didn't give you credit for them!
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
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