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Hall o' Famer Hal christens the era of the "super sub"
As opposed to the Era of the Ironclad. It's held to be a truism that teams are only as good as their bench. And the Reds depth, both among starting pitchers and erstwhile subs, has been coming up Roses lately. But in the midst of the offensive flurry - and Paul Janish's sweet vindication - let's not lose sight of Cueto's adjusted-for-Pirates pitching gem: The last time he faced the Pirates, he pitched a one-hit shutout. This time McCutcheon, the first hitter, homered. Then Cueto did was he is supposed to do against a gosh-awful team - six innings, one run, three hits. Cueto is 11-2 for the season and 3-0 against the Pirates. Somewhat quietly, JC has assumed the role of staff ace, on the wings of an Arroyian second-half surge.

Fay puts it to us: "What will it take to win the Central?"
I know this. Warren G. Harding and Teapot Dome Scandal. No? Well, ask a different question then. I'm stuck in Roaring 20s Wikipedia loop.

Fay has a few things on Springer, Dickerson and shortstop-of-the-future Janish
Springer's injury is "nothing major" (though this is a player's assessment). On a sad note, Chris Dickerson is attending his grandmother's funeral and will not be on hand for the Cubs' series. Condolences go out to his family. Dickerson had a torrid rehab stint and has been primed to return to the team in good health. As previously noted, someone will have to drop off the 40-man roster for this to happen.

Harang had a "successful" bullpen session, sez official state news
Harang has been on the disabled list since July 6, retroactive to July 1. Things are still proceeding tentatively, with no apparent timetable for return. This is about the third or fourth Harang non-story I've posted, so bad on me, but why don't we just make something up at this point? August 27. He's coming back August 27. Not sure if there's a game on that date or not - but send the wire out to twitter and so forth.

A "fan with scouting insight" over at Diamond Hoggers thinks he/she knows why Bruce is struggling at the plate
Paradoxically, he's not "hitting his stride," because he's striding while he hits: The problem is he is overstriding -an affliction that usually occurs in amature or low minor league players. Major league hitters while they sometimes stride, they get their front foot down very quickly and therefore hit from a solid base- two feet on the ground... The best way to make a hitter reduce his stride is to spread out more in the batter's box. Again, like Phillips, Votto and Hamilton. It's really incredible that the Reds' coaching staff has allowed Bruce to maintain these bad habits during a pennant race. Bruce needs a month in Louisville to straighten out this flaw.

Sending Bruce on a "Kentucky Vacation" is an increasingly popular idea here. Maybe he would benefit from sorting things out for a few weeks at Triple-A, but the entire outfield is struggling. It's a matter of the real replacement level in the system. Drew Stubbs has been farther out to sea, but has a clear upgrade on the team in Chris Heisey, and a at least a rough equivalent coming of the DL in Chris Dickerson. Replacing his time with Heisey's makes a great deal of sense. Things are stickier with Bruce, whose PT might be best replaced by some combination Francisco, Dickerson, maybe Nix. Gomes, with recent struggles of his own, would still start regularly and the lineup would be become no less vulnerable to lefties. Outfield defense would be undoubtedly worse, potentially much worse, especially if both Bruce and Stubbs were booted. A double send-down could hurt run prevention and, more vaguely, the clubhouse feng shui.

Bruce is clearly in need on an intervention, which may in fact mean some retooling in AAA, but there might not be anyone in the system to pick up the slack during a critical stretch.

Mo Egger doesn't like 2-toned hats
Do they offend your aesthetics too?

Forgive the cultural stereotype, but "ninja" is the best word in the lexicon to describe this catch
Aside from being a mind-blowing, Spidermanian acrobatic feat, what are the limits on this kind of catch? Can you vault the wall entirely - and make the catch in the bleachers? I'm guessing no, but no one's ever spelled it out for me. I just want the fans to get more involved.

Star-divide

THT has a fantasy-tinged rundown of the top players under age 25
Jay Bruce and Johnny Cueto fall in the honorable mention camp.

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by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 5, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

but

you can reach over the wall to catch a ball and that’s an out. What counts as “leaving the field of play”?

by atg1 on Aug 5, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

judgment call?

Maybe the umpire can rule a player out of the field of play. I bet it’s like a receiver catching a ball on the sidelines, except he doesn’t have to land in the field of play. You still have to jump from the field of play.

by Brian B on Aug 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think, and I stress think, that if a player catches a ball and falls over the wall, it's a home run

but I believe Brian’s right that whether the ball was leaving the field is up to an umpires judgment.

by timb116 on Aug 5, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay Buhner disagrees, but I can't find the video.

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by ZJiff30 on Aug 5, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I mean is, Jay Buhner was much more Adam Dunn than Jonny Gomes

though I think there is a pretty high likelihood that Buhner juiced, just looking at his numbers. Maybe not, but it fits the profile.

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by Slyde on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Johnny wished he hit like Buhner (which I do too)

but he doesn’t have to wish he is as frightening a presence as Buhner, since he already is.

by timb116 on Aug 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least to me.

If an angry Johnny Gomes or an angry Jay Buhner demanded my wallet as I walked by them on the street, I would so give it to either of them. Might even ask for an autograph….but still, intimidating presences

by timb116 on Aug 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say only one of Bruce or Stubbs needs to go down.

You can afford one black hole in the lineup if offering great defense. The question is, who do you want to get fixed? I dont think the Reds have the nuts to send Bruce down, so it will likely be Stubbs.

by MixFMKyle on Aug 5, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

probably

But I think I’d rather keep Stubbs around, if only for his speed.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 5, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be useful as LIDR / PR

But I’d trust Bruce to hit better if he stuck around. It’s kind of a toss-up, but I think the edge goes to ditching Stubbs…

Without Stubbs, it’d be:

LF: Gomes, Dickerson, Nix, Francisco
CF: Heisey, Dickerson? (marginally worse defense, significantly improved offense)
RF: Bruce, Dickerson, Nix

Without Bruce:

LF: Gomes, Dickerson, Nix, Francisco
CF: Heisey, Dickerson, Stubbs
RF: Nix, Dickerson, Gomes?, Francisco? (worse defense, maybe similar offense)

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

In both cases Dickerson takes the spot on the active roster.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sold on C-Dick

He was hitting .200 when we last saw him, and a lot of players tear it up in AAA but suck in the big leagues.

He is fast, and a good CFer, but he’s not good in the corners. Which kind of hurts his value as a backup OFer.

OTOH, I’m not ready to give up on Stubbs yet. If he’s not playing every day, he should probably be sent down so he can.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Reds need to ride the hot bat

Give Dickerson a chance to see if he can keep it up for a couple of weeks. If anything it may help win a few more games. The Reds don’t lose anything on defense.

by keepitsimple125 on Aug 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

It’s been shown that being hot today has absolutely no indication of being hot tomorrow. The same can be said about being cold today. Humans have a tendency to see streaks and trends, but statistically, have a stretch of 10 good games does not make you any better for game 11, 12, or 13, etc.

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by Slyde on Aug 5, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think though

we’re still trying to determine what exactly Dickerson’s skill level is. It’s less a matter of calling him up in case he stays “hot,” and more a matter of calling him up to see if what he’s demonstrating in AAA is indicative of his actual skill.

by ThePensive on Aug 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's safe to say he won't hit .442/.528/.767

His career minor league numbers are .264/.366/.420. His career big league numbers are .274/.367/.421. I think we have a pretty good idea of who Dickerson is as a hitter.

I think he should be called up, but not because of the hot streak. He should be called up because I think he’s as good as Stubbs and deserves some playing time in LF and CF.

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by Slyde on Aug 5, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's getting late early

It’s August 5, and the Reds have to have their post-season roster set up by August 31.

I find it a little unnerving that the Reds OF situation is so unsettled. The Reds will have at most 20 games to decide if they want Dickerson or Stubbs or whoever in the post-season.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 5, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the best idea we can get of his skill level is from his largest sample size in the big leagues.

Which was last season’s 299 plate appearances with a line of .275 .370 .373. Which still makes him a valuable player.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense, Bubba, but I'm not allowed to cite janish's stats from 2009

but you keep using Dickerson’s 45 PA’s this season to complain about him..

In 255 AB’s last season, Dickerson’s OPS was .743 and his OPS+ was 97. While I will agree that his defense in left was shaky at the beginning of 2009, it’s sort of unfair to use 45 PA’s this year to judge him

by timb116 on Aug 5, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just typing something similar.

I don’t think it’s too crazy to say that Dickerson can play similar defense to Stubbs in center, while putting up a decent on base percentage if nothing else now that he’s healthy.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Stubbs & Dickerson are very similar defensively

Stubbs gets top billing defensively, and I don’t get it. Stubbs is supposedly great defensively, but I just don’t get how people can say with such strong conviction that Stubbs is far superior to Dickerson defensively. I think b/c Dickerson had some issues in 2009 in LF people discounted his D overall, but I don’t think it should detract from his CD D.

by Highlifeman21 on Aug 7, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't saying you weren't allowed to use it, I'm just sick of the SS discussion.

C Dick should be almost league average, which will be an upgrade in the here and now. Also, didn’t he say something about being much more comfortable in CF due to being able to see the ball off the bat better?

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by chesirecat on Aug 5, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just saying

he’s not a sure thing.

Which is basically the same thing I’m saying about Janish.

Remember Corey Patterson? They sent him down to Louisville, where he OPSed .935. Then called him up, where he sucked.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 5, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember Drew Stubbs?

He put up Corey Patterson numbers this year. I forget what point your arguing, but I like the symmetry of this.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying

we could still have a sucky outfield, even if C-Dick’s called up.

I like Heisey a lot more than C-Dick, but think he could come crashing back to earth as well. As you note, Stubbs (and Bruce) have had their hot streaks.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 5, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, you're exaggerating.

Corey Patterson 2008: .205/.238/.344
Drew Stubbs 2010: .228/.296/.390

Sure, Stubbs’s line is only good for an OPS+ of 82, but that’s not all that close to Patterson’s OPS+ of 50.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 5, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Corey Patterson was really bad.

by the finest muffins on Aug 5, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and, Patterson had been castaway'd by another org by then

Stubbs is younger, and more talented.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 5, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't get carried away

“Not nearly as bad as Corey Patterson” is really not much of a compliment.

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by bbjones on Aug 5, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sold on him or not

There’s really no one else. We can at least expect Dickerson to play acceptable defense and hit righties better than Stubbs is right now. If Stubbs or Bruce are getting sent down, I don’t see anyone else taking that spot.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not setting the bar very high here

Stubbs has Pattersoned a.228/.296/.390 line this year. Surely Dickerson can beat that if protected from lefties, while likely playing most of his defense in LF.

Heisey is the one replacing Stubbs’ production in CF – a clear improvement. Dickerson just has to beat out whatever residual contributions Stubbs would make, while platoon with Gomes in LF. Based on historical splits, it seems prett likely that he can pull it off. And Gomes is going 264/.298/.435 against righties this year. I’d trust Dickerson to get on base at better rate, while playing better defense at the position.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yeah

maybe Dickerson isn’t as good in the corners than I think.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not having a particularly impressive year at AAA

He may be hot lately, but then so is Dickerson. It would be weird to me to have, say, Dickerson and Bruce or Stubbs at AAA with Francisco, Balentien, Nix, Gomes and Heisey in the Big Leagues. Aside from probably not being your best stable of outfielders, that’s also worse overall defense and a less defensive flexibility. Balentien, Nix and Francisco on the bench would be essentially three power bats that prefer to hit righties and play corner outfield. Heisey would be the only true CFer and Nix and Heisey the only two OFers that play acceptable defense.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without looking at the stats (again)

Balentien had an atrocious first two months and has put together some great numbers since. That’s good enough for me.

Balentien prefers to hit righties? I didn’t know that. What are his splits?

by Brian B on Aug 5, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks.

although that link says he’s hitting .308/.381/.571 versus lefties this season in Louisville. I’d call that raking against lefties, even if it’s only 103 plate appearances.

Maybe RijoSabo thought he batted left handed.

by Brian B on Aug 6, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

His numbers vs. lefties improved when the site updated after the Bats' game ended tonight.

Last season in the majors he did have a reversed platoon split .263 .333 .425 vs. righties (207 PA), .165 .239 .291 vs. lefties (88 PA).

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 6, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Madville on Aug 5, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall of Famer Hal

I hadn’t noticed until he mentioned it that the Reds hit a cycle, in order, in the 7th inning.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

i've never actually looked at the rule book,

but i would bet that it says something about the player having to stay in play. and technically speaking, the outfield wall is in play, just as the dugout steps are not in play.

i’ve seen catchers sliding into the dugout to make a catch, which leaves me to believe that if an outfielder jumps from on top of the wall and makes the catch before he lands, it would be an out and the play would be dead, since the ball left the field of play, just as when a catcher slides into the dugout catching a foul.

by Heeringa on Aug 5, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

WE NEED AN ADULT!

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sounds like it's a home run

As long as the player caught the ball in play and then fell over the wall. That is to say, you can not jump over the wall and then make the catch. This is why you don’t see guys run into a dugout and then make a catch. They are always trying to make the catch in play.

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by Slyde on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You CAN make a legal catch beyond the field of play if your momentum carries you.

This includes the outfield fence. I know this to be fact because I had a book on crazy calls in baseball as a young lad. Oh, but don’t try catching a ball with your hat, that is illegal.

by jacob brumfield on Aug 5, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's what I meant

I was just trying to say that you can’t jump the fence and then make a catch. But you can fall over the fence while making a catch. Didn’t mean to imply that you had to be in play when you make the catch.

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by Slyde on Aug 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I think the book scenario was a player sitting in the stands beyond the HR fence, saying in a sense he ran, jumped the fence and caught the ball in one motion…it is called an out.

Running into the stands, stopping to order a chili dog, then catching the ball, no out.

by jacob brumfield on Aug 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if it's a Five Guys?

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by bbjones on Aug 5, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i was saying that as long as you made the catch before you hit the ground, it’s an out.

by Heeringa on Aug 5, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got an out-of-the box suggestion here, but how about changing where Bruce is in the batting order?

It seems like to me that if you had him protected by someone better than Stubbs or Janish, etc., he might get better pitches to hit.

How about giving him a serious talking-to about his approach and then put him at leadoff for a couple of games…

Bruce
Phillips
Votto
Rolen
Gomes
Heisey
Hernandez/Hanigan
Janish
Pitcher

by Nasty N8 on Aug 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this is a good idea, but I would hit him 2nd.

What better protection could there be than Joey Votto?

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by nycredsfan on Aug 5, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

There you go!

I’ve been an advocate of that for a while, too.

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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've been into at least trying this since early in the season

Slyde posted something about it a while back. I’m not going to bother looking for the link, because our new official tagline is “i guess we could try to do something to change it, but we probably wont.”

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harang

So he’s been on the DL for 36 days already, with no AAA rehab any time soon? Looks like the 60-day DL to open up a 40-man roster spot is a possibility.

Dickerson up (and off the 60-day DL) for Stubbs on Monday would be my guess.

by Indy. on Aug 5, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

That's a pretty good bet

Though they’ll still have to outright someone when Harang returns.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're going to try to have him ready if at all possible

Despite the official line, I think they might still need to bullpen Leake. I’m sure they’d like Harang as an option along with Bailey, Maloney and LeCure.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or bullpen Harang for the playoffs

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

But a lot can happen between now and when he is eligible (or healthy enough) to return. For example, Springer could be DL or even DFA by then. This just buys them more time. Typically, that is how the Reds like to make their roster moves. Delay manjor roster decisions as long possible.

by Indy. on Aug 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a sound strategy

Don’t outright anyone until you absolutely have to.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'm with Egger on all two-toned hats

But i HATE the Reds two-toned hats. Just wear the damn red hat all the time.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If Mo don't like it, Mads don't like it.

MM did you listen to the song I posted as fan shot?
Not your cup of tea but an interesting approach

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by Madville on Aug 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And get rid of the drop shadow on the C.

I know I sound like a broken record on this, but I HATE IT.

by the finest muffins on Aug 5, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

/PeterPan'd

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by TheC on Aug 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like the braves and cubs red bills

i don’t like the reds black bill. i like the old A’s yellow bills, too.

by Daedalus on Aug 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Hunter and gold always look good together.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like pretty much anything with Reds on it.

Including the red hats with black bills. Why? Because Barry wore ’em.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those uniforms were pretty bad

Candystriper-esque. But certainly anything Barry was doing was just alright with me. I’m going to go check his stats again and get pumped.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok just got back

Those stats are great. .298/.410/.567 in ’96, with gold-glove defense at shortstop. Are you serious?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

It’s so amazing, I continually confuse his MVP season with his 30/30 season…which weren’t the same season.

THAT’s how badass Barry Larkin was…he was almost as good as 2010 PJ. Almost.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 5, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow Larkin finished 12th in MVP voting in '96

But was 6th in WAR using BBRef’s formulation. Bernard Gilkey was 3rd in WAR, so I suspect Larkin gets docked unfairly for park effect and/or defense. Bagwell and Bonds were ogres of course, but Larkin had the non OF/1B, possibly best non-enhanced, season that year, depending on what you think of Ken Caminiti.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dead as hell.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caminiti played pool in my grandparents basement once

which is where I am while typing this.

Watch it, ass blood.

by -ManBearPig on Aug 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not still there is he?

Cuz if so: DOUBLE TAP!!!!!!!!!!!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 6, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

IDGI... is necrophilia better the second time or something?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 6, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he expanded my mind

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Aug 5, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a little bit like if Joey Votto played GG shortstop

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Aug 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Aug 5, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's my problem with wearing all red

There’s too much of a contrast between the all-red hat and the gray uniforms. The black bill softens it. I’d almost rather see an all-black hat than all red.

And, sorry muffins, but I like the drop shadow.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Aug 5, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be sorry.

I hate black drop shadows. Have I mentioned that before?

by the finest muffins on Aug 5, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wonder Paul Daugherty wants Manny.

He’s pro-juicer! /pulls his P-Doc effigy out of storage and dusts it off.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no issue with his argument here. He's arguing for athletes to be allowed to use LEGAL PEDs.

He’s attacking the hypocrisy of the situation.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 5, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

My comment was completely tongue-in-cheek.

I do however disagree with him and you. I find myself much more in line with Michael Rosenberg’s thoughts on the matter.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was lazy and didn't bother to link the Rosenberg article

There is a link to it at the bottom of the Daugherty article.

If you want to see real bashing, check out Red Reporter…it’s crazy over there - hr

by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I'll stop being lazy

as long as it is to spite that beady-eyed little sports weasel.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

but seriously

i find the “PEDs are bad for you” argument somewhat hilarious considering all of the crap we pump into livestock and the fertilizer and pesticides we put on crops and all the processed crap that passes for food in this country, as well as the number of pharmaceutical products we consume as a people.

by Daedalus on Aug 5, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pesticides suck!

Biological Control FTW!!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

fly, my pretties!!

freakin bug lover.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Aug 5, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bio control is totally more effective anyway.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, two-tone hats suck ass.

Mo is correct.

You are as dumb as anything you hate.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 5, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially these two


You are as dumb as anything you hate.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to get some of that gang money? No one else is buying Pirates hats.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I like the two-tone hats better.

The straight Red is just boring to me.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm partial to a quad-tone

One of the colors is clear.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sypher guilty

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Aug 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

well, that was quick!

/nevergetsold’d

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 5, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you guys read Jeff Goodman's Pitino Column? I have no idea how Pitino has kept his job.
What Fleischer may not completely comprehend, though, is that the odds have become stacked against Pitino over the last couple of years since some guy named John Calipari moved 80 miles down the road in Lexington and took over the Kentucky program.

For Pitino, who turns 58 in September, winning hasn’t been this difficult since he took over the Louisville program in 2001. Or maybe even since he was with the Boston Celtics.

And the worst part: Pitino has nowhere to go.

He is stuck in Louisville.

Pitino can’t return to the NBA because, well, his track record in that league doesn’t justify a third go-around.

His last hurrah was a 3½-year, near-catastrophe in Boston.

Even the Sacramento Kings weren’t interested a year or so ago.

And even worse: The guy that won a national title with Kentucky in 1996 and has taken three different programs to the Final Four couldn’t land another big-time job in the college ranks these days.

So he will, in all likelihood, ride it out and conclude his career in Louisville.

Sure, it wasn’t all that long ago that Pitino had the Cardinals as the top overall seed in the NCAA tournament.

That was, believe it or not, less than two years ago.

But it seems like an eternity.

Since then, Pitino has been bashed by just about everyone from the general public to colleagues with negative recruiting — and he’s watched with jealous envy as Calipari continues to stockpile elite talent at the school where he was a legend back in the 1990s.

It’s so bad that Pitino even lost his top recruit, Marquis Teague — who just happens to be the son of one of his former players — to none other than Calipari.

Crushing.

It’s gotten to the point where the guy who didn’t want to deal with one-and-done players now has his sights set on Quincy Miller — a clear-cut, one-year loaner who is a virtual lock to leave college after the 2011-12 season.

Pitino would like nothing more than to get out of Louisville and get a fresh start.

But there are no viable options.

"It would be very difficult to hire him now," said one athletic director of a top-20 caliber program. "Not with everything that’s happened. He wouldn’t be on my radar."

"No chance," said another big-time AD. "He’s almost unhireable right now."

by 'tHan on Aug 5, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose Guillen dfa'ed...

Let’s give him a big Reds welcome!

by ashersky on Aug 5, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

No thank you

Unless it’s AAA depth, which is likely to be filled by Stubbs or Bruce for the time being. He was really great in ‘03, but he’s unlikely to be an improvement over Nix or Dickerson.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 5, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do believe, however, that...

he leads the majors in ninth inning doubles in the month of August.

by ashersky on Aug 5, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the Reds going after him.

He’s not a big improvement (if he is any improvement at all) over Jonny Gomes.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be a defensive improvement.

But I digress… keep him away.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's one of a handful

who might actually NOT be a defensive improvement over Gomes. He’s probably as good offensively though

by kcgard2 on Aug 5, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought he had a good arm?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

J. Dye

I would like to c the reds get Dye for the remainder of the season. The only thing were missing is one more consistant bat. GO REDS!!!!!!

by jeff Circusfreak on Aug 5, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome to RR!

I don’t know about Dye- I think a big reason that he wouldn’t sign with other teams was because he wanted too much money…

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the other reason is because he sucks now, so teams didn't really want him either.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Aug 5, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this may be the main reason.

I don’t think Dye, after being out of baseball nearly a year, would be an upgrade.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Aug 5, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he is almost definitively worse than Gomes on defense

he’s a statue who has major questions about his offense as well

by kcgard2 on Aug 5, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

asshole

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since this Reposter is on the subject of depth...

Homer Bailey is going to provide some for the Reds soon. He had a very nice start tonight, 7 IP 6 H 0 BB 9Ks, he threw 102 pitches, 66 of which were strikes.

How nice would it be for him to come back to the Reds with anything near the success he had late last season?

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be kind of freaking epic.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 5, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

how often can we pitch him vs. the Pirates?

if not often enough, put him in the waiver trade for Jonny Damon and call it a day.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 5, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He pitched pretty darn well against the Dodgers, Rockies, Cubs, Marlins, and Cardinals during that stretch too.

Gamelog for 2009 I still think he will be good depth in case of injury/rest down the stretch.

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 5, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Chapman really ready?

I honestly haven’t been keeping as close an eye on the Chapman progress as I should have been

by Red_Poodle on Aug 6, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

He has been lights out in the 'pen for the Bats.

I was especially impressed with his two inning stint vs. Columbus on August first. (copying and pasting from my post about it that day, since I’m lazy)

Chapman relieved Jesus Delgado in the 10th with runners on the corners and no outs. He ended up getting out of the inning with no runs allowed even after having a wild pitch (blocked by Castillo in front of him, rolled up the baseline, allowing the runner on first to advance, beating the throw to second) and a walk (K swinging, K looking, groundout). Then in the 11th he struck the first 2 batters out swinging, then got the last guy on a groundout.

If you want to see real bashing, check out Red Reporter…it’s crazy over there - hr

by RedsMasochist on Aug 6, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I forgot to add this.

Chapman’s milb.com player page

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by RedsMasochist on Aug 6, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

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