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Red Reposter - In Which We Engage in a Rousing Debate Over the Existence of The "DL"

Jay Bruce is on the rise, with a 1.009 OPS thus far in August, buoyed by a monstromental weekend against the Cubs where he walloped 4 home runs.  Coming off the worst month of his pro career, many were crying for the young buck to be sent back to the minors to learn him a thing or two, but loyal readers of this space will remember that I was not one of them.  He's one of the main reasons this team is has 17 wins so far this month. 

  • Tons of injury news to share from the weekend
    Mike Leake was mercifully DL'd with a tired shoulder. Kid was the best starter on the staff in the first half, but that star burned out quickly. His ERA for August is a rubenesque 8.83. It's not clear at this point whether or not he's done for the season. They will probably let him rest a few weeks and then see how his stuff looks. If he can get the bite back on his sinker we might just see him in the playoffs. Either way, my hat goes off to him for an exemplary rookie season.

  • Miguel Cairo hurt his leg last Wednesday in San Fran
    And SURPRISE!!! he's not on the DL. Add his name to the list of walking wounded on the Reds roster. As always, there's really no knowing when he'll be ready to go.  Winning the Needless Complication Award at last night's Emmy's, Chris Heisey served as the backup middle infielder in the Cubs series. You gotta hand it to Dusty and Walt. They sure got brass ones.

  • Brandon Phillips' hand is not broken
    which means he won't go on the DL. How many teams can say they took 2 of 3 games from the Cubs with only 22 players? We can take heart though, because BeeP pinch-ran on Sunday and scored a run. That means he'll be back in a few days, right? We are going to take this pennant the most difficult way possible.

  • Laynce Nix makes it the tryfecta
    His sprained ankle needs a couple more days, per Dusty. See, I can understand taking the wait-and-see route with BeeP. This Reds team does not win this division without him. He needs to be on the field as soon as he possibly can. But with Nix and Cairo it is completely different. These are just bench guys. Granted, they have been two of the finest bench players the Reds have had in many years so far this season, but they are not so indispensable that they cannot be replaced for two weeks while they recover on the DL. It's reckless to try to play a weekend series with no bench. Look for them to do the same damn thing against the Brewers now.

  • On the other end of the injury spectrum
    Aaron Harang will rise from the ashes like a phoenix on Tuesday in Cincinnati. He says he's not worried about the fact that he got owned like a rented mule on his rehab stint. "I wasn't worrying about the outcome. I wanted to get my feel back, getting the repetition and timing. I've felt great throwing my bullpen [sessions]. I haven't had any [back] issues." The Reds are suddenly scrambling for a 5th starter to anchor the rotation down the stretch, and the poetry would write itself if the much-maligned Harang were to make good.  Unfortunately, his critics are loud and common sensical.

  • Orlando Cabrera is understandably frustrated with his stubborn oblique injury
    but he is also quite rational in his assessment of the situation. "If I rush back and get hurt now, that's being selfish," Cabrera said. "Janish has been getting big hits for us and playing unbelievable defense. There's no reason to push it." He's gonna shut it down for 4 or 5 days and hope that does it. He's eyeballing the Cardinals series now as a tentative goal.  You know, it's a shame that it took Lando getting hurt for me to come around on him.  He's shown far more while on the DL to prove to me that he's a winner than he ever did on the field.

Star-divide

  • The scuttlebutt is that Aroldis Chapman was legitimately clocked at 105 mph
    On the mound, not on I-75. Dusty Baker's biggest worry was whether or not he threw strikes. He did. Here's Hall o' Famer Hal's best quip on it: "I told Baker that a witness in Louisville e-mailed me to say she saw Chapman’s two 105 miles an hour pitches and I e-mailed her back and said, "You didn’t see them. You heard them."" Now that Francisco Cordero looks like he's settled down and Nick Masset is throwing rocks out there, having Chappy step into the bullpen for the stretch is very exciting indeed. The Angels did the same thing with K-Rod back in '02 and rode him to at title. I'm not sayin', I'm jus sayin'. Yaknowwutimsayin'??

  • Edinson Volquez was scheduled to start yesterday
    but he has been officially bumped from the rotation. Instead, Aaron Harang will take his spot and pitch on Tuesday. I don't think Volquez will pitch much out of the bullpen, aside from an emergency situation. With expanded rosters coming soon, I think the Reds will take advantage of the extra arms and let Volquez try to sort out his mechanical issues on the side. Of course, the idea of having Volquez and Chapman pitching back-to-back in the 7th and 8th is an intriguing one.  That's a spicy meatball!

  • Chris Dickerson quite literally runs out of his shoes to make a grab in CF
    This one is for you, Highlifeman21.

  • Dusty Baker takes a very utilitarian view regarding the regular invasions of Cubs fans into GABP
    "I’ll tell you one thing, the Cub fans are going to come out regardless of what. They’ll probably be here (Cincinnati) this weekend. There’ll probably be more Cubs fans than Reds fans. We welcome them because we need the attendance. We need the attendance so we can sustain and get some more ... players, that is." As long as the Reds keep winning and fielding top-quality teams I would think the ratio of Cubs to Reds fans would steadily decline. Until then, we should be more than happy that they are buying so many Mike's Hard Lemonades in our fair city. And hopefully they choke on them.

  • Ask Hal
    Q Seems to me the MVP is Joey Votto’s to lose. What does he and the Reds have to do for him to win it? – Pat, Troy
    A It would help if the Reds won the division and not St. Louis, because then we all know who would win. All Votto has to do is to continue playing like a super hero. But you never know about voters. The year Steve Carlton won the Cy Young, I was the only voter who didn’t vote for him. I voted for LA’s Jerry Reuss. Well, he did beat the Reds five times that year.
    Q With all the travel involving West Coast and East Coast teams, why doesn’t MLB split the map in half and split the leagues to put all teams in the East in one league and all teams in the West in the other league? — Glenn, Hamilton
    A First of all, somebody would have to send MLB a map and show them how to use it. It does make sense, but teams have to agree to shift leagues and we’re talking 30 teams. In baseball, you’re lucky if you can get two teams to agree on one thing. In baseball, all things are answered with one word: tradition.

    Radical realignment is always a fun topic to kick around for an afternoon, so give me your best ideas for how to split the leagues on an east/west (or north/south) axis.

  • The Fay has a very sensible and rational appraisal of the role of "chemistry" on this team
    "Chemistry is hard to define," Baker said. "You can have all the chemistry you want but if you don’t have talent, you aren’t going to win. If you can’t play, you can’t play." That is a very astute assessment, if you ask me. Many have extolled the virtues of leadership and chemistry with this team, but as Fay and Baker say, it amounts to very little if you can't play the game well. Here's Fay's take-away line, which I found particularly poignant, if a bit hyperbolic:  "So, sure, the Reds have a good thing going as far as chemistry and leadership. But they also have talent. Elmer Dessens in his prime is a long reliever on this team."  For the record, Elmer Dessens in his prime ('01 and '02) is the #1 starter on this staff (~3.6 rWAR average for those two seasons).  But the point still stands.  This team plays good baseball.

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    Go Reds!

    Nice Reposter, Scrabbles McCharles. I’m off to take a test! A test at work! I thought I was done with this school junk.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

    How'd ya do, kiddo?

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hmm. I think I did okay.

    I passed the test I had last Friday, but didn’t do as well as I had hoped.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Owned like a rented mule?

    I thought they were renting it because they didn’t own a mule. Or is it a rent-to-own mule?

    by Gapper on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    it got beat by the previous renters

    but is now being owned by the current buyer.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I laughed

    It’s all Scrabbled up!

    When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

    by poojols on Aug 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I have no particular objection to Harang...

    I mean, I’d rather he pitched on game in the minors ‘to win’, but I think we have enough cushion to try this. It does seem like a shame that LeCure won’t get another shot on this team, though. I suspect that he’s long relief for life.

    Hmmm…on Tuesday, we’re using Harang with no Nix or Cairo. on Wednesday, we go back to the ‘regular’ rotations with more people than we know what to do with. If it were earlier in the year, I’d agree with putting Nix and Cairo on the DL. Here, well, we’d lose Nix and Cairo for 9 games in return for getting scrubs up for 2. Not in favor of that.

    by MatthewH on Aug 30, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

    Just looked at the 40 man...

    We really don’t have too much depth in position players on the 40-man. Is that normal? Do you think they DFA any relievers to add Corky and others to the 40-man?

    by Nasty N8 on Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

    DFA Danny Ray

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Also Springer can go on the 60 day DL

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

    That's likely to happen for Corky

    Wlad could be the next candidate to join the 40, but I’m not convinced they’ll DFA anyone for him.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

    if they were to DFA DRH...

    Do you really think anyone would claim him? He’s a 5’5 screwball LOOGY with an 83mph fastball. I would imagine hed clear waivers and accept his assignment. And even if someone were to claim him I’d much rather have a few weeks of Wladdy to see if he can hit MLB pitching yet than have Smurfy on the roster. With Rhodes Bray and Chapman do we need another lefty? And what about next year? Bray will most likely be back, Rhodes is a FA, Chapman I assume will be back starting. I’m not sure who our LHR are in the system (outside of DoJo). Maybe Maloney for a long/mid reliever?

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    that was lost when the deal was made

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

    i was kidding, of course

    we can still win that trade

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I like having Herrera in their as a LOOGY.

    There are certain people who just can’t face that sort of repertoire, so I think the Reds ought to keep him around.

    Bray hasn’t been stellar, and lets not forget, CHAPMAN HASN’T PITCHED IN THE MLB YET. So lets keep Herrera in there

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

    you really think Herrera will be better?

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'd rather have him in the game to face one lefty than Bray or Chapman

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

    That's daft

    Bray has been decent facing lefties. Chapman has shut them down at AAA, esp since going into relief. That said, there’s no reason to boot Herrera if you don’t have to. Rhodes is 40 and showing a little wear, Chapman is unproven in the majors and Bray is still recovering from TJ. Any one of those arms could fall off.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

    and you have to boot herrera...why?

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    because he doesn't need to to be effective?

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he is a one trick pony

    and hitters figure out his one trick, so now he is a bleeding pony with a broken leg and it is time to shot the poor thing and put it out of its misery.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    if he's not wild, he's effective

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he can't really throw a strike

    his control actually got better this year in the majors, but he was much more hittable.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    this may be true

    I’m acting on gut here.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I have a thing for underdogs too

    but I think DRH has been solved.

    It is really really hard to succeed with a sub 85 MPH fastball.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Pretty much this.

    The screwball was enough to fool people for a little bit, but now he’s a guy with two below average pitches and one decent one that isn’t particularly useful if hitters can sit on it. He’s given up a ton of line drives this year and players are swinging at less of his stuff out of the zone and making more contact with everything. The jig is up on Danny Ray’s big league career, most likely.

    by Geki on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Most loved Herrera last year when he was near MLB average.

    And now I think there is great over-reaction here to a small sample size.

    DRH’s first 25 games this year: 2.93 ERA, .750 OPS, .357 BABIP
    DRH games 26-37: 5.87 ERA, .874 OPS, .346 BABIP

    In his final 11 “ugly” games with the Reds, he shut out the opposition in 7 of 11 games.

    Now he has only been scored on in one his last nine appearances at AAA. He’s only walked 5 in 34+ IP in AAA, which is about 1 walk per seven innings – awesome. His K:BB ratio is around 6:1 – awesome.

    When Danny struggled in late June, it was painful. But let’s abandon this silly notion that he’s worthless to this franchise. I look forward to him re-joining the Reds pen.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, screw what I said...

    let’s go by subjective opinion from months ago. :)

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I am fine with being proven wrong.

    Please share these numbers.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not as bad as I thought but:

    Last year, 11/52 inherited runners scored on DRH

    This year, 11/39 did.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I just assume not waste a spot in the bullpen on a guy who can only get left hander out.

    in his career right handed hitters have a .952 OPS against him.

    I would rather have lefties like Bray and Rhodes who I can allow to pitch a full inning.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You don't have to

    That’s my point. Everyone seems to think it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll be the first to go when they need a 40-man spot – for Wlad or whoever. But he’s below Bray and Chapman on the lefty reliever depth chart – and possibly Maloney too.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    who else do they cut to make room?

    I’d rather keep Fisher around.

    He has decent stuff, he strikes out a ton of batters, and his MLB walk rate is much higher than his AAA walk rate, which makes me wonder if he just doesn’t trust his stuff at the major league level and that will get better with time and maturity.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    DRH, Springer = 2 spots

    I dunno why we’re having so much trouble finding guys on the 40-man to get rid of.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'd like to bring up Wlad and Corkey

    and perhaps another middle infielder.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Valaika is on the 40-man

    Cairo should be healthy soon and Cabrera will be back in a week. That’s a ton of MIF depth.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I want to see Wlad, Corky, Herrera, Chapman, Fisher, LeCure, Maloney.

    We only need 2 spots on the 40-man roster to accommodate Wlad and Corky.

    Transferring Russ Springer to the 60-day DL opens up one spot. Shutting down Mike Leake for the year (and transferring him to the 60-day DL) would open up another spot, as would shutting down Jim Edmonds.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No one, ideally

    Who actually needs to come up that isn’t on the 40 man? Wlad, maybe, but I’d wager that’s only if Edmonds is out for the season – in which case, Wlad takes his spot.

    I think it’s bad practice to purge pitchers unless you absolutely have to.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would rather just have good pitchers

    I’m pretty sure Chapman can get lefties out. Hell Maloney could probably take the reigns as a left handed specialist.

    I really don’t want to waste time with Herrera who was rocked like a mountain this year.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm hoping Chapman isn't a LOOGY

    Bring him in to face a lefty if you need, but I hope we don’t have to pull him because that guy is followed by 2 righties.

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    exactly

    no reason to even waste time with LOOGY’s with guys like Chapman, Rhodes, and to a lesser extent Bray, who can get right handed and left handed hitters out.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you really think...

    Chapmania won’t be the Baddest Motherfucker to take the mound since…I don’t even know?!
    /drank the kool-aid

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    /jamarcus russell'd

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    please don't mention THAT name

    (raiders fan)

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    /al davis'd

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnssss!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Heh. There's a PSed version of the Davis photo above in which

    the Raider helmet to Al’s left is replaced with a Crypt Keeper head.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Uncle Al gets a pass

    He’s just too damn crazy for me to give a hard time; and I respect him for the Glory Years (although they were before my time)

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Chapman's wallet

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Maloney, Chapman, Bray is enough lefties.

    Even if Chapman is starting, Maloney and Bray out of the ’pen can hopefully deal with lefties. Herrera was completely shit against lefties this year.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm sure he could slip through

    But it doesn’t seem worthwhile to shed pitching just so you can get a 6th OF up. Especially with Francisco in the mix. If Wlad is used as a part-time starter, then it makes more senese. If he’s a PH, bullpen depth is more important.

    DRH might be a junkballer, but he’s been fairly effective in Louisville since being sent down. If he’s been “figured out,” it doesn’t mean he can’t make the adjustment. Plenty of pitchers with mid-80s heat have put together respectable major league careers. Valiquette might still have more of a future as a lefty reliever than DRH, but he’s yet to show he’s figured out AAA hitting, let along gotten MLB hitters out, as DRH has.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jamie Moyer is an outlier.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Arroyo's average fastball in 2010 is 88 MPH

    Herrera’s average fastball is 83.3. That is a difference.

    Think of Paul Wilson. He was marginally effective when he was throwing in the mid to high 80s, after his shoulder blew up again, and his fastball dipped to the mid 80s he became very hittable.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm all for creating a carnival environment

    so it’s hard to disagree with you.

    My point isn’t that Herrera has some bright and shining future in the big leagues, only that he’s shown he’s still pitching well enough to be considered lefty “depth” in the bullpen. That’s a low bar. I don’t think there’s some hard and fast difference between AAA and MLB hitters either – and the minors is a good place to make your adjustments if hitters in the majors have a good book on you.

    When you’re talking about roster flexibility, a bullpen arm is more valuable than a PH bat, especially one that won’t be used as a pinch-runner or LIDR. Pitcher innings are just more valuable than position player innings, because it’s more important to conserve mileage on your best pitchers. So DRH could be useful, even in lower leverage situations.

    The calculus changes if you’re talking about someone like Wlad leaping over Nix, Gomes, Heisey and possibly Edmonds or Francisco to play regularly. If he’s hitting well enough to justify that, then it’s worth exposing DRH to waivers.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I love this. LOVE. IT.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    There is no evidence to support this theory that "he's been figured out."

    or that he would be unable to adjust. It seems like an easy answer, but it’s not rooted in anything factual.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Putting aside SSS

    ground ball rates are down, LD and flyball rates are up. Lefties were hitting .316 against him, .793 OPS. K rate was down. Walks were down as well, in his defense, but his WHIP is (and always has been) ugly. The low BABIP of last season seems to be the outlier, if anything, that made him look better than he is (IMO). His numbers this year would also look worse if not for a career high strand rate and career low HR rate to go with it.

    I don’t see much if anything in his numbers that make me optimistic that he is above replacement level. There is room for disagreement, I think.

    by kcgard2 on Aug 30, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    His WHIP is actually closer to league-average than awful, as are many of his peripherals:

    NL average WHIP in 2009: 1.378
    DRH in 2009: 1.411

    2009 NL average H/9: 8.9
    DRH in 2009: 9.2

    2009 NL average BB/9: 3.5
    DRH in 2009: 3.5

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I was talking abut 2010 numbers

    and his WHIP approached average in the one decent BABIP year…

    and are those numbers for relievers or for all pitchers?

    by kcgard2 on Aug 30, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    All pitchers

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Just asking

    but if you are set up with the platoon advantage most of the time, shouldn’t your numbers be considerably better than average?

    by kcgard2 on Aug 30, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would agree with this.

    But we’re talking about a really small sample size.

    2009 vs. lefites: .520 OPS over 124 plate appearances.
    2010 vs. lefties: .728 OPS over 42 plate appearances.

    We’re talking about DFA’ing a guy who was awesome for us last year, has solid AAA numbers, and performed decently against lefties in 2010 in a sample size so small that lefties have only accumulated 15 total bases off of him.

    The numbers do not agree with the emotional response he has generated. This is known as “size queen” syndrome.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Red League and Blue League

    Teams are assigned in accordance to how their state votes in the Presidential Election. Realignment every four years. Is it 2012 yet?

    When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

    by poojols on Aug 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

    Isn't that like 6 teams in the Red League right now?

    Seems unbalanced.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.

    by andromache on Aug 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Hey, you're right

    My radical plan calls for realignment AND relocation.

    When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

    by poojols on Aug 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    nice

    Brewers → Birmingham, Alabama
    Yankees → Charleston, South Carolina
    White Sox → Pierre, South Dakota
    Angels → Boise, Idaho
    Nationals → Nome, Alaska
    A’s → Salt Lake City, Utah
    Indians → Baton Rouge, Louisiana
    Rays → Knoxville, Tennessee

    by DevilsAdvocate on Aug 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Very nice

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

    you don't like it?

    then vote Republican! Candidates could campaign on a platform to get the Yankees back to the AL where god intended, and so forth, instead of actual issues.

    by DevilsAdvocate on Aug 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

    You know who campaigns on issues?

    Losers – that’s who!

    When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

    by poojols on Aug 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    or Fear and Ignorance!

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

    demote him from writer to shitty commenter!

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What a shitty comment to write. :)

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    "Hey Tiny, who's playing today?"

    “Jolly Green Giants and the Shitty Beatles.”
    “Shitty Beatles? Are they any good?”
    “They suck!”
    “Then it’s not just a clever name.”

    by Brendanukkah on Aug 30, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Shitty Beetles, eh?

    I do love me some subfamily Scarabaeinae!

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Shitty and white!!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yo, I went to a Natural History museum this weekend

    saw some awesome bugs. Thought of you. Will post pix

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Totally jealous.

    I’m psyched though- I get to put together a bug collection for my entomology lab this year. I’mma make everyone else’s collections look like crap.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm both a shitty writer AND commenter!

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I wish I was a shitty writer :(

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    moar original contentz plz?!

    "Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

    by ZJiff30 on Aug 30, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I resemble that remark!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wouldn't it make a lot more sense

    to throw Cueto on Tuesday, then Activate Harang from the DL Wednesday when rosters expand? Otherwise, you have to send someone out to make room for him.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

    ...and gain one extra person of flexibility for the playoffs

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

    "105...and on the mound, not on I-75"

    Paging Mr. Phillips…

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

    so Tropical Storm Lionrock continues to churn in the Pacific ...

    that is the most badass name for a tropical storm ever … Hurricane Kitty-Witty Curly Wiskers, not so much

    "Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.

    by joshuar9476 on Aug 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

    Who should be added by Wednesday

    Corky Miller (60-Day Springer)
    Balentien (DFA Herrera)
    Chapman
    Smith
    Del Rosario
    Maloney
    Fisher
    Alonso

    I would say Jared Burton too, but he is on the DL in Louisville. Not sure why.

    Kind of a bummer to break up the 1st place Louisville Bats after an amazing July and August, but we need the bodies, no reason to play short in September. Also it could be possible if Phillips, Cairo, and Cabrera dont get better by the weekend they would bring up another middle infielder instead of Balentien.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 30, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

    it would be nice to give Alonso some major league at bats

    Serious question

    Lets say that in the off season the Reds discover that they can’t sign Votto long term, and Alonso goes crazy in AAA next year and puts up an OPS over 1.000. Would it be crazy to trade Votto for a useful player(s) like a big time shortstop, and plug Alonso into first base.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

    yes.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm in favor of doing that this offseason

    The upgrade that the return for Votto would bring more than outweighs what is lost by plugging Yonder in for Votto. And remember, Votto will probably cost somewhere between 12 and 18 times as much money next year.

    When you come to the fork in the road, take it.

    by poojols on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    my plan A is to resign Votto

    but lets say he wants to test free agency, maybe he really would like to go home after he does his 6 years in Cincinnati.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Free agency for him is 3 years away after this year

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

    but Alonso has to be a major leaguer in 2012.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Not Votto's problem

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm pretty sure Walt tried that

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And, Joey is a badass.

    I’ll take the Canadian badass, please.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    There is no Plan B

    By divine providence, a player capable of Pujols-level production has somehow landed on the Reds, balancing the scales. If you don’t build your franchise around that player, you deserve to be contracted.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I am not in favor of this at all.

    But if Votto won’t re-sign, which he will, then you have to get a ROI.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that is all i'm saying

    it is mostly just speculative thought that crossed my mind while I was in the shower this morning.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ...and why won't he resign?

    Just to complete this whole Harry Turtledove counterfactual?

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That wasn't the question.

    The question was “if he does not re-sign”. He obviously has 3 years of control left. But, if Yonder Alonso suddenly starts OPSing 1.100 and the Reds can turn Votto into 2 top prospects and a few other top 15 prospects and perhaps a MLB SS, you can’t mortgage the team’s future if Votto gets stubborn.

    Obviously, I prefer and think that he will resign.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    then Alonso is going to be out of options before those 3 years are up

    it just doesn’t make any sense.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Alonso will likely be traded this offseason

    or next June or July for a higher-priced star on a last-place team going nowhere that needs a 1B of the future.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I dunno if it'll be this offseason.

    He’s been raking lately, but his stock still seems low since, around the deadline, people were more interested in Francisco apparently than in Yonder. His stock should rise as he continues to rake for the rest of this season and then early next season before the deadline.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    if other organizations are that high on END

    We need to move him at the first legit offer. I think he could be a decent MLBer but really don’t think his future is here at 3rd. I’m hoping Rolen will be healthy for at least 1 more season, we have Frazier (who can take a walk and just a season ago was one of our top prospects) and further down the road Soto, correct? I think itd be a good time to sell high of Francisco if teams are interested.

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I think this off season is the time to lock up Votto

    and I think if they can’t do it, they should look at other options.

    Votto will have the most value while he still is cost controlled, and the Reds have a potential replacement in AAA.

    Lets say the Reds sense they can’t resign Votto, but they can trade him for a big time shortstop. They plug their shortstop gap and they still have a viable replacement for Votto in Alonso.

    I would really like to keep Votto.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I wouldn't trade Votto if they can't get it done this year.

    That’s too soon. They could win a Championship next year without dealing Votto.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i think the time to extend Votto is this off season

    i would keep him around for 2011 regardless. I’d also want to make sure Alonso is all that and a bag of pretzels before trading Votto.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think before I'd do this, I'd try to trade a package of our glut of prospects for a premium SS/LF

    And try to win some WS for Votto to keep him around. Or even try Yonder in LF. No way I’d give up on Joey before team control runs out.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Please stop sharing my ideas for speculative fiction on thie message board!

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    too late

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well

    My nom-de-plum is out of the bag. Thanks, jerks.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    its still one of my favorite book covers of all time.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thank you

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    perhaps he wants to test free agency

    perhaps he wants to go to Canada
    perhaps he doesn’t really like living in Cincinnati
    perhaps he really wants to play for a certain manager

    I think his some what shy personality and not liking to be in the spotlight gives the Reds a huge leg up. From what I’ve read about him he would be absolutely miserable in the lights of New York, Boston, Chicago, or LA.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think they're not reading your question right, Justin.

    Obviously NO ONE WANTS TO TRADE JOEY VOTTO except that Poojols guy, but the nice thing is that if something forces our hand, Yonder is around and Joey should have huge trade value.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    exactly

    we are so misunderstood Jake.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Or Toronto!

    (start planting those seeds now. Cincinnati is your new home, Joey! It is far preferable to a city with one less “n” in its name.)

    by Brendanukkah on Aug 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah!

    And Toronto’s boring!

    /Cincinnati Kid

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    by Slyde on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    OTOH

    Players who don’t like the spotlight often do well with teams like the Yankees. Because then they’re just one of many stars, rather than being the big name that carries the team.

    When Joey’s DH days arrive, the Big Apple will be waiting. ;-)

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    STOP SAYING THAT

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    somebody ban her

    I’m guessing if Votto showed up in New York today with a huge contract and huge numbers, he would be in the spot light.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no worries

    Joey’s DH days are a decade away.

    by DevilsAdvocate on Aug 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Oh come on.

    There is no reason to think that Votto wants to live in freakin’ Toronto. I can’t think of any players, including Canadian players, who’ve wanted to be traded to Toronto. Montreal sure, but they aren’t in Montreal any more.

    This is increasingly ridiculous. What if the entire team decides to quit? What if they change the rules so that hitting the ball out of the park is a foul ball? What if MLB goes on strike for the next decade?

    There is one reason why Joey Votto will not re-sign with the Reds. And that is $. It is silly to consider anything else. It is more likely that Votto will have an OPS under .700 next year than that he’ll take less money to play for another team.

    You gotta take colder showers.

    by MatthewH on Aug 30, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Maybe to be a father figure to his brothers?

    Depending on your taste, Toronto could definitely be considered an improvement over Cincinnati.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.

    by andromache on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Toronto actually seems like the one place he'd want to go

    It’s his hometown. I’m pretty sure he’s stated a desire to play there before. I don’t think he’s giving up on Cincinnati yet, at all, and I do think he likes it here, but Toronto is the only other destination that I would worry about losing him to.

    by Brendanukkah on Aug 30, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you cant make as much money in toronto though

    id think hed rather have his family come live with him in the states

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I love this name.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I love that!

    The only way through Cincinnati is over the Vottobahn!

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They would be incredibly crazy

    I am pretty sure you will see a 5 or 6 year deal this off-season. No way the team can keep the fan base happy after trading by far their best player on their 1st winning team in a decade. Plus to get a “proven” young shortstop, you are going to have the same dilemma in a year when he gets expensive. Pay the man. He’s made Bob plenty of money this year.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Stop the insanity

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

    If they can't re-sign Votto long term, why the hell would they hold on to him?

    I don’t see that happening of course, but if they somehow find out Votto won’t re-sign, they should maneuver a sign-and-trade deal of sorts and get some serious return.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Teh Fya says no Chapman tonight

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

    make this green'd again

    "Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.

    by joshuar9476 on Aug 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    That is why those votes are stupid.

    There's nothing you can type that I can't read... Unless it's illegible or insane...or both.

    by Pops Daniels on Aug 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    This

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

    TLR is at it again

    What would you give for some cheese, Gromit?

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

    TLR is such a douche. I don't like the cheese kid, but man that manager is coming off as a twat.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    getting rid of a stud CFer just because you don't like his dad?

    Yeah. Sounds real mature.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    "Super unprofessional"

    This is like if Jay Bruce had been hitting about 50 pts of OPS better and playing great CF defense and Dusty was keeping him out of the lineup, and unfavorably comparing him to Chris Heisey. So, by definition, it’s a more bogus move than Dusty has ever pulled.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 30, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it would be like

    Dusty Baker being upset that Phillips talked to his dad about hitting.

    Or McKeon/Boone/Miley/Narron/McKanin/Baker being upset that Griffey talked to his dad when he went into slumps.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that was a bit different

    After Jerry Narron was fired, I can’t really blame the Reds for not wanting his brother around.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Can we stop hashing and rehashing the Josh Hamilton story please?

    Reds – Hamilton + Volquez – JERRY FUCKING NARRON = happier times

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not you in particular BTW

    Just in general. There were a lot of factors that played into Josh Hamilton being traded and with only being aware of probably half of them I do that deal EVERY DAY.

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i agree with JCH

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    this is why we need a god damn mobile rec

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Probably could have made it more fucking profane, though.

    What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

    by DocRam on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    yeah sure :)

    didn’t mean to cause a serious stir

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, but you can blame them for assigning the brother of the on-the-hot-seat manager as his babysitter.

    I know there was a pre-existing relationship between Narron and Hamilton, but still, some better foresight would’ve helped. Or they could’ve fired Johnny Narron and told Hamilton that he wasn’t in charge of the team and not traded him, and he would’ve been over it by the time spring training was over.

    by Geki on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And thus, making him my favorite Red!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    x

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    isnt he married?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Is nipple-kissing specifically mentioned in the bible as adulterous?

    If not, no foul, right?

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.

    by andromache on Aug 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    //Bill Clinton'd

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes indeedy!

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    wife is his bedrock or something like that

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    /throws shale

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    young moulah'd

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    she defended him in the comments section

    of a Dallas newspaper. No joke, that sort of wife is a wife for me.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    she most be a saint

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Or, you know, likes having money.

    /I’mjustsayin’

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jesus, calm down.

    It’s a joke.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Who's angry?

    Everyone always thinks I’m yelling at them, but I’m just yammering aimlessly.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the caftans.

    by andromache on Aug 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you need a sarcastic font

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think she's left

    The damned dirty hippie.

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    HUGZ

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    eeewww, you smell like patchouli!

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I am soooooo allergic to that stuff!

    I fail to meet many folks’ definition of hippie, as I require regular bathing and don’t like crappy music.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no one thinks they like crappy music. No one.

    /justsayin’

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This is true.

    But if you saw my iTunes, you’d agree that it’s the snax.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    maybe. how do you know I don't like crappy music?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    My tastes work well enough that people without much taste still like my jamz.

    I have won awards for my use of music in television and marketing. I often get compliments on my music choices at and away from work, and was a successful DJ for years. And folks are always networking to my iTunes instead of playing theirs.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I know I LOVE music most people

    consider crappy. And from the melodic view point, it does.

    So yes, I like crappy music. I admit it.

    But none of those dancing fucking douchebags would ever admit it. FUCK THEM.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i'm pretty sure she would do fairly well in divorce court

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nope, it's been blown on blow and Jesus.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    brutal!

    "Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

    by GrooveLeg on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jesus cash doesn't seem to pay off well.

    I’d look at amortizing.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    do you have a drunken belly shot problem, cy?

    at first i just assumed this was a JCH comment.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    what?

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    For three easy installments of $19.99, you can have a Justinlator 4000* of your very own!

    He was trying to ask if you have a substance abuse problem, with the substance being “drunken belly shots”.

    He also missed the memo that if you want cheap recs by attacking someone’s character, you poke fun at Jake.

    *patent pending, don’t even think about stealing my idea, you jerks!

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I'm not saying I agree with the policy, only acknowledging its existence

    I was the resident dead horse for a while myself. :)

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Only if you eat all your vegetables and learn every single one of life's lessons the hardest of ways young man!

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    so

    your life has been like the Reds 2001-2009 seasons?

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    sonofabitch.......

    I just had a vision.

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    but the Reds did get a kick-ass pitcher who will hopefully refind his form

    the Reds did the right thing to trade him when he was valuable. I wouldn’t want to fuck around with a guy with drug problems.

    He felt comfortable with Johnny Narron. The Reds didn’t feel comfortable with the brother of their former manager in the clubhouse.

    It made perfect sense. Would you really want to risk Hamilton relapsing?

    Plus Volquez is a very talented pitcher. It wasn’t like they got a bucket of balls for Hamilton.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    highly recommended.

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think there's more to it than that

    there’s the question of whether he would get along with the new group coming through. I think, for whatever reason, the Reds didn’t want him being around Bruce, Stubbs, Votto.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I still think he's relapse prone.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yep.

    In all forms of rehab.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I believe that was the rationale at the time.

    I also think that’s a trade that Walt Jocketty wouldn’t have made.

    by Geki on Aug 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    coughBPcough

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Agreed with Geki and jch

    Walt would’ve realized what he had and held on to him, BP be damned.

    As much as I liked Wayner at the time, I’m increasingly thinking he was mostly a puppet being told what to do by Bob and the manager.

    Also, his inexperience shone through a little too often for my tastes.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I disagree. A relapse from a drug addict is much more likely

    than a freak injury.

    Those that battle addictions often relapse (he’s done it once already that’s been made public).

    Yes, I’d rather have Hamilton, issues and all, but to say that Volquez as an average player is worse off than having a former junkie not relapse is wrong.

    Most addictive personalities take YEARS to beat their issues and usually do so once they get away from religious-centered 12-step programs.

    That saying, I wish Josh the best — a tremendous player and by all accounts a good guy. But I don’t bank on him staying clean.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Gonna have to disagree

    First of all, pitcher injuries aren’t freakish at all. It’s a pretty natural part of being a pitcher. Second of all, Josh Hamilton isn’t your typical addict. As a major league baseball player, he’s going to have a much stronger support system and about one hundred million incentives to not get caught smoking crack again. He’s certainly not a lock to never relapse, but I’d argue that his chances are considerably better than your average crackhead.

    by Geki on Aug 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Money is one of the key issues here. He has plenty.

    Many addicts finally come clean when they hit rock bottom. With the salary of a MLB player the temptation — and importantly, MONEY — is always going to be there.

    Also, a support system isn’t worth shit if 1. the person doesn’t believe in it 2. the addict doesn’t want to personally change.

    I’ll take Josh Hamilton to relapse before I do Roy Halladay blowing out his arm. Any day of the week.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    so the Reds should have traded Hamilton for Halladay!

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would have no issue with this.

    But my main point is that Geki said that injuries are a natural part of pitching … which isn’t true. Relapses, however, are.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And don't act like relapse isn't a serious

    possibility and could happen many, many times over the course of Josh’s life.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And Josh is made of glass.

    Would the Reds have been better off with Jamie Moyer or Reggie Sanders?

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well, true

    but that hasn’t seemed to happen this year.

    Volquez could just as easily relapse to the form that saw him shipped from the majors back to single A and rap videos with guns just 3 years ago.

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    A fella gets bored, wants some nipples and booze.

    I think Las Vegas would kill this kid.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    the "glass" argument

    doesn’t hold much water with me since we’re comparing him to a guy who’s arm shredded about the same time.

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 30, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, because junkies never break down.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This is an important note.

    Fangraphs says:

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Way I see it, we might not be in first place now

    had it not been for that trade. No facts to back it up or stats to point to, but sometimes things happen for a reason.

    there is nothing to beer, but beer itself

    by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Aug 30, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    agreed

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I've brought this up before, I'll bring it up again

    If he has to have a big surgery and needs pain management, are you worried?

    Also, the cynic in me asks – if he were to fail a test, would MLB cover it up a la Bonds? God knows his personal assistant is willing to cover for him. From Wiki:

    Hamilton confirmed he suffered a slip in early 2009. Sports blog Deadspin.com posted photos of Hamilton shirtless in a bar in Tempe, Arizona with several women. According to reports, witnesses saw Hamilton drinking, heard him asking where he could obtain cocaine, and heard him reveal his plans to go to a strip club later that evening. The photos do not show Hamilton drinking or taking any illegal drugs. Prior to Hamilton’s public admission Johnny Narron, a Rangers special assignment coach and Hamilton’s mentor, doubted the validity of the photos, telling Deadspin.com, “I’m sure, in the depths of his drug addiction, he was in a lot of bars. He was in and out of bars, crackhouses, everything. There are probably photographs of him in all kinds of places.” It was later revealed that Narron had knowledge of Hamilton’s slip.

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The photo I posted above is from said incident.

    He’s slipped once. I hope he doesn’t again, but I doubt it.

    Also … how weird is it going to be if/when the Rangers win the West. All that champagne flowing, everyone’s drinking … will he even be there to enjoy it? If so, will he just pop streamers? That’s a fucking weird position for a lot of people.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    at the time the Reds were pitching poor

    Griffey and Dunn had productive 2007s.

    Hamilton was oft injured in 2007, and it was hard to tell if he was a fluke or the real deal. Plus everyday he goes without relapsing, he is less likely to relapse. Today I feel more comfortable he won’t relapse than I did in December of 2007.

    The 2007 opening day rotation was Harang, Arroyo, Belise, Lohse, and Milton.

    Lohse was traded, Milton was at his most productive while on the DL, and his contract was mercifully over, Belisle never could hack it as a starter.

    Homer Bailey struggled in his rookie season.

    Johnny Cueto had yet to burst onto the scene.

    At the time the Reds had two starting pitchers, and they traded a talented, yet oft injured and troubled outfielder who’s main support system was fired, for a very talented hard throwing starting pitcher, at time when their pitching cupboard was pretty bare.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    and going into 2008 the rotation was

    Harang, Arroyo, ?, ?, ?.

    Volquez was a potential answer to one of those question marks.

    Also Jay Bruce named the best prospect in baseball at that time.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Until Joey this year

    I hadn’t been excited by a baseball player in a Reds uniform as much as I was by Hamilton, the Breaker of Horses. What a season that was!

    by Brendanukkah on Aug 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Exactly!

    I mean, I get the logic behind the trade. I understand the question marks about Hamilton and I understand why the Reds made the trade. I don’t even think it was a terrible deal, even though I think the Reds will easily be the losers in the long run. I just really wish the Reds didn’t make the trade. Can you imagine Josh Hamilton and Joey Votto hitting next to each other in the Reds lineup?

    by Geki on Aug 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That, I can agree with you on -- it would be awesome.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that would be a scary awesome lineup

    Plus imagine the defense of Bruce, Stubbs, and Hamilton.

    Even if Volquez would have put up a 2009 and 2010 like his 2008, I wouldn’t make that trade today.

    But in light of the situation in December of 2007 I would have made it.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hmmm...disagree.

    WAR: Batters
    Josh Hamilton 7.5
    Joey Votto 6.1
    Ryan Zimmerman 6.1
    Albert Pujols 6.1
    Robinson Cano 6.0
     
      WAR: Pitchers
    Roy Halladay 6.5
    Cliff Lee 5.9
    Josh Johnson 5.9
    Francisco Liriano 5.7
    Felix Hernandez 5.3
     

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 30, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    problem with this argument

    As much as people like to act like it is, pitching WAR and hitting WAR are not completely the same thing. Their replacement level points have very little to do with each other, so in an argument like this (which position is more valuable), I think WAR is a bad stat to use.

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    by Slyde on Aug 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

    Not grumpy

    but I don’t want my point to be missed on why WAR is bad for the argument he’s making. It’s a misuse of WAR and has little to do with whether or not WAR is a good stat.

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    by Slyde on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hmm okay, I'll keep agreeing with you.

    My point was just that WAR is overrused sometimes! I like it as a stat, but it’s not a be-all-end-all!

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Or as War puts it

    Why can’t we be friends?

    by Brian B on Aug 30, 2010 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    War, what is it good for?

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    overused'd

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 30, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    wait

    is the joke overused, or is WAR? or both?

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Absolutely nothin'.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I really don't think WAR is all that great at measuring pitchers

    According to WAR Aaron Harang was more valuable to the Reds than Bronson Arroyo last year.

    WAR really fails to value relief pitchers, last year Nick Masset had a WAR of 1.4, Rhodes had a WAR of 1, and Cordero had a WAR of 1.5. You can’t tell me that those three pitchers only created 4 more wins than a trio of replacement level pitchers.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    speaking of, since my quick to cut & paste argument got shot,

    how does WAR for pitchers factor in opposition’s lineups? How is that variable accounted for?

    For instance, when pitchers this year have routinely shut out the Reds’ shitty Sunday lineups, is that worth just as much as when we roll out our well constructed vs. RH ace lineup?

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 30, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    NBC's online sports journalism is terrible..

    But Rasmus is not a guy I’d like to see realize his potential in SLT.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You know what'd be neat?

    If Jocketty trades for Rasmus. Just to spite La Russa.

    by jsl413 on Aug 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would pee myself at the funny

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Regardless of where the link comes from, there's something going on

    VEB seems to be talking about it too.

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    How have we not called Colby "Mayor McCheese" yet?

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I have no idea how we missed that one

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Does that make Joey The Grimace? Because nothing can kill The Grimace!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Votto is a Hit-burgler!

    We should save that nickname for someone new, tho. :)

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    stealing hits?

    Naw, that’s Stubbs.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm thinking there is a Lebron's mom/Delonte West thing going on here

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Now THAT would be interesting ...

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well done, both of you.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    agreed, 2 recs in a row

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Brilliant, you two

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    QUESTION TO YOU:

    are there any good Ohio State blogs out there that you know of? I’m continually unimpressed with “there’ll always be Tempe” and 11W

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    11W is okay ... "TWABT" is crap. Buckeye Battle Cry isn't bad.

    There’s lots, the issue is how often are they updated.

    Also, Off Tackle Empire here on SBNation does a good job with the entire Big Ten. Some good stuff on OSU, too.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Is that the blog that used to be The Rivalry, Esq?

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    oh yeah, that one was good

    it just seems like all of the OSU blogs are a bit mouthbreather for me.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    kinda like Cincy Jungle

    too many mouthbreathers

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well look at their mods!

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    11W is that way (especially the comment section) during the offseason.

    Now, during the season, 11W does some great stuff like breaking down the top three plays from the offensive and defensive sides of the ball from the week earlier.

    Those are must-read posts for those that are trying to learn wrinkles in the OSU system and how they evolve week after week.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That is a good blog

    I’m not into OSU/Michigan or anything, but they have good stuff there.

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes they do. And now that it's expanded to all the Big Ten

    you can get some really interesting things.

    The best Big 10 blog, though, is still Black Heart Gold Pants.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Then why do you watch Kentucky?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They beat Auburn and Georgia last year

    Just sayin

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    For Kentucky, yes that's good, but they were both 8-5.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Funny story

    So where I worked in 2007, there were a bunch of OSU fans. That is the year that UK beat LSU when they were #1, and LSU beat OSU for the title. This OSU fan lady one day tried to make fun of me for liking Kentucky…..so I sent her a youtube video of UK beating LSU with the subject “Oh look, here is a team that actually beat LSU this year.”

    She tried to take me to HR…..seriously….

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What a slag. That's funny. Seriously? HR? HAH!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    She went to her boss first

    And when she called me a dumb redneck hick to her boss (seriously), her boss told her it wouldn’t be a good idea to go to HR

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And I know all of that because her boss liked me

    and told me everything

    Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
    @btcoop71

    by btcoop71 on Aug 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    whatever, you dumb lying redneck hick

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    She sounds like a classy woman.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    www.goatse.cx?

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That URL is incredibly NFW, by the way

    In case there are still people alive/here that are willing to click on things I post.

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    fool me once, shame on me

    fool me twice…uhhh…

    there is nothing to beer, but beer itself

    by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Aug 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Realignment?

    Screw geography.

    Let’s go to three leagues – 10 teams each. Revert the AL and NL to the mid-60s alignments with an East/West in each. Throw the ten expansion franchises into a new league which I’ll call the Federal League.

    NL East
    Mets
    Phillies
    Pirates
    Braves (nee Milwaukee)
    Reds

    NL West
    Cubs
    Whiny Bitches
    Astros
    Dodgers
    Giants

    AL East
    Yankees
    Red Sox
    Orioles
    Indians
    Tigers

    AL West
    White Sox
    Rangers (nee Senators)
    Twins
    A’s
    Angels

    Federal League East
    Nationals
    Rays
    Marlins
    Brewers
    Royals

    Federal League West
    Padres
    Astros
    Mariners
    Rockies
    Diamondbacks

    Leaves a million questions, but what I like about this plan is the potential fairness and balance of a true interleague schedule:

    Play one series against each of the 20 teams outside of your league every year – half at your place, half at theirs. Switch sites in alternating years. Your fans get to see every opponent at least every other year. 60 games total.

    You play a home-and-home against the other division in your league. 30 games total.

    This leaves 72 games for the four opponents in your division, 18 games each.

    Nahh. Too simple and fair to be considered.

    You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

    by JasperRed on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

    Padres have the best record in the NL

    Rays tied for the best in the AL.

    I’ll grant it goes south from there this year, but every team on there has had their day(s) in the sun.

    You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

    by JasperRed on Aug 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Blue Jays are the team I left out

    They go in the Federal East. Royals to the West.

    You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

    by JasperRed on Aug 30, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hoes to the back and pimps to the front.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Explain how your playoffs work, please

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That's easy...

    Top of the Inning
    The Federal League pitcher throws to the American League Batter with the National League Position Players defending

    Middle of the Inning
    The AL pitcher throws to the NL Batter with the FL Position Players defending

    Bottom of the inning
    The NL pitcher throws to the FL Batter with the AL Position Players defending

    by Nasty N8 on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, you see, there's this thing called the Bowl Championship Series and we use a lot

    /gun shot
    //rejoicing

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    you forgot /ducks

    "Nothing wakes you up on a cold January morning like hot horse-piss." - Kevin Mitchell is Batman

    by jch24 on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I said it leaves a million questions

    playoffs would be a huge one. I would suggest 6 div champs, 2 WCs, then you seed 1-8. No reseeding. This brings up the prime objection by traditionalists. There would be no true AL or NL champ.

    You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

    by JasperRed on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

    That sounds like my plan!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 30, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Baseball Prospectus Post Season Odds update

    92.14% chance the Reds make the post season.
    86.51% chance the Reds win the division.

    Of course the Reds have lost some games that fangraphs gave them a 99% chance to win, but still this has me feeling pretty good.

    Link.

    "@#$%$#@% you joey Votto. gutshot. urgh"-tehzachatak, Viva El Birdo

    by justin007000 on Aug 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions