Winning 9 to 5. It's all taking and no giving.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 20, 2010 1:36 AM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Ramon Hernandez. Our studly catcher went 2-5 with a three run homer. Honorable mentions to Travis Wood, Jay Bruce, and Drew Stubbs.
Key Plays
- Even though the Reds scored nine runs, they only scored in two innings. The first time was in the fourth. With one out, Joe Saunders walked Scott Rolen, then Jonny Gomes hit a line drive single. Ramon Hernandez then took one deep, and Jay Bruce followed for back to back home runs. Reds lead, 4-0.
- Mark Reynolds homered in the fifth inning. It was his 27th of the year. He may strike out a ton, but he sure does hit home runs too. Reds lead, 4-1.
- In the eighth inning, the Reds faced D.J. Carrasco, and he got two quick outs. It should have been a 1-2-3 inning, but Rusty Ryal dropped Jay Bruce's fly ball out of his glove. Carrasco then walked Paul Janish, and pinch hitter Laynce Nix singled to drive in Bruce. Brandon Phillips walked to load the bases, and Drew Stubbs singled, plating Janish and Nix. Jordan Norberto came in to relieve Carrasco and promptly gave up a double to Joey Votto that scored Phillips and Stubbs. Five unearned runs for the Reds with two outs. Reds lead, 9-1.
- It was a good thing the Reds got all those insurance runs, because the relievers were none too sharp in the eighth. Bill Bray started it off by allowing a double to Augie Ojeda. Stephen Drew and Justin Upton singled, and Ojeda scored. After getting Kelly Johnson to pop up, Jordan Smith came in to relieve Bray and immediately surrendered a home run to Chris Young. Reds win, 9-5.
Other Notes
- The Reds hit back to back home runs for the seventh time this season.
- Today's unsung Reds hero is Laynce Nix. In his last ten games, Nix is batting .391 with 5 RBI and 5 runs scored. He's only had 28 plate appearances in that time, but he's making the most of his chances.
- The Reds are a season high 19 games over .500, on a season high six game winning streak, and are a season high 3.5 games ahead of the Cardinals.
- The Reds are 70-51. At this time last year, they were 51-70.
- The Reds' last four series have been sweeps, with the Reds winning three of them.
- The Reds still have four more games against the Diamondbacks before the season is over, all at home.
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The Reds are winning 67.7% of their games since the All-Star Break!
At that rate, they’ll finish 98-64!
70 does not equal 51, silly!
(But, really, well done.)
by the finest muffins on Aug 20, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he he he
jsl413
RT @JoeStrauss Reds win. This is, uh, getting serious. >> Don’t worry, Pedro Feliz will save you!
So even if they play ~.500 ball here on out..
It’s pretty much a 90 win season. Even if they go 20-21. That’s nice to know, considering we have 28 games against the Diamondbacks, Cubs, Astros, Brewers, and Pirates left.
I predict us to win some games, lose some games
and have incredibly weird threads here. Enjoy the ride, my friends, this is going to be fun.
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by ZJiff30 on Aug 20, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I predict...
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I've not commented since June 5th...
At that time the Reds were 32-24. They’ve gone 38-27 since then. Thats a 71% winning percentage. This isn’t their year, next year is the world series year, but a playoff appearance would be nice. Having said that, I won’t comment again until after they win the division. They should finish, based on the above estimates, with 99 wins and 63 losses. Don’t forget we always play better in September than in any other month.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Aug 20, 2010 2:05 AM EDT reply actions
Not always
Now I’ve got the shakes from remembering 2006.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 20, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but in 06 we were 5 games over .500 before falling apart
And Weathers was our closer. And between the starter and Weathers was Easy Eddie, Kent Mercker, and Ryan Franklin. And Dave Williams was in the rotation at one point. And Scott Hatteburg lead the team in BA while Dunn lead in everything else. And our managers switched. And so on. Completely different team, different momentum, more balanced, more depth, more awesomeness.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Aug 20, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
that team's pythat was 76-86
OPS+ of 93, ERA+ of 104
In other words, not very good.
For curiosity’s sake, before yesterday, the reds were 103 and 106, respectively.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
a 71% winning percentage?
38-27 = .585
32-24 = .571
70-51 = .579
Where’s the 71% winning percentage?
I wonder if there’s a college study that shows how exposing my generation to Three’s Company set gender relations back approximately 715 years
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Aug 20, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be booed for this, probably
But it’s nice to know the Reds only have to go 9-32 to finish better than last year’s team.
Also worth noting
The Reds have four off days through the end of the season. Cardinals have one, but might have to go back to make up the postponed Marlins game (subject to player approval, I think). Fatigue could be a factor.
We get a couple off days in the last week or so
Weird schedule. The Cards actually benefit, imo. They’ll know if they need to win and can adjust the rotation accordingly. Wouldn’t be surprised if they go with a 4 man down the stretch.
by ken on Aug 20, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The way Lincecum has been pitching,
this is disappointing! I’d much rather face Lincecum than either of these 3 at this point.
Greed. Lincecum has struggled and the Reds have owned Zito
Still, the way the team is playing, I have ridiculous confidence that they’ll hit anyone
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 20, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What a great performance by Leake's brother tonite!
And I think I saw Gomers get a hit. But Rolen killed my BTS tonight. Hope it was good will read the posts in the morn. And I am sure this was mentioned but the Cubbies today, really? I think Lou needs to be put on suicide watch.
This game would've killed me if I was a Diamondbacks fan
damn, that’s really, really, frustrating.
That said, I’m not. Bring on the Dodgers.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
oh, and I realized this when I woke up this morning
this was my first green comment on RR. My, how feelings have changed.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
eh
They’re alright I guess. I’ll be upset if they ever lose again though.
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by Slyde on Aug 20, 2010 8:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously...
I know you’re being ironic, but it’s funny how winning sets the bar higher for my expectations as a fan. The moderate expectations I have had for the Reds year-in and year-out is part of the reason why I enjoy being a fan of the Reds more than of the Buckeyes.
Unless the Buckeyes are blowing out the opposing team, I can’t enjoy the game until it’s over and won because 1 loss is barely tolerable and 2 losses is catastrophic. For the Reds, I’m happy any time we have a winning homestand or road trip. I can watch the games that we’re losing and still enjoy the watching experience, knowing (1) the Reds have an incredible ability to come from behind and (2) the Reds just need to play about .550-.580 baseball to win the division and .500 baseball to meet my expectations of the team going in.
Forgot my closing point...
Now, after the last few weeks of dominating (forgetting August 9-11), it would have been a letdown had we not swept the D-Backs and a losing series against the Dodgers or Giants will be downright disappointing.
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When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 20, 2010 8:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I could rec the photo caption, I would
Good job Nukkah
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
That wrinkled old bag is the new one?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Aug 20, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stupid Red Reporter
Now I can’t look at a car without putting anal infront of its’ name. That’s all I did while driving to work today.
You're not the only one. And I had my windows open.
And was saying them out loud. Loudly. I got some weird looks. Maybe it was just because of the Reds hat sitting in my rear window though.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Great game last night, boys!
Looking forward to watching Homer tear it up tonight and put us what, 20 games over .500?
Man, that is sweeter than…hmm. Sweeter than something really, really sweet. I’ll have to get back to you on that one.
It's sweeter than honeycomb
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Wow, I could only make it through half of that video. lol
by Craig Conrad on Aug 20, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry your taste in music stinks
Just kidding, but really Helium is awesome
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
It just didn't seem all that musical to me, honestly.
Especially the lead singer. But that’s what you get when you’re a singer yourself. It’s harder to be impressed. I’m not a big Dylan fan either, really. :)
by Craig Conrad on Aug 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
My mom always told me I should be a Singer
But I had no interest in sewing.
"never made a mistake on an appeal. bet on it." -- obc2
"The Reds are 70-51. At this time last year, they were 51-70."
Maybe we can put to rest the rule that teams can only “realistically” improve by 5-6 games from the prior year.
Not to knock the statistical analysis behind the theory, but the 2010 Reds blew that idea out of the water. This team is not that different from 2009. Cabrera was the only new free agent signing, right? This shows what a ton of young talent is capable of doing if you leave it alone and let it explode (and get the batting order straightened out – which is another thing. After watching this season, can we really say the batting order doesn’t matter as long as you have the right players? I don’t think so. Not after what we’ve seen this year.)
Okay, and then there’s Scott Rolen.
by Brian B on Aug 20, 2010 9:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
cabrera was the new free agent signing
but we also are getting a full season of scott rolen and have had additions such as leake, wood & volquez.
full season of Votto
BP learned to get on base, Drew Stubbs, for whatever he is, is NOT Taveras. Heisey showed up. And that’s not even the pitching.
What surprises me is that there’s no chaff on this team. No Kip Wells, no Buck Coats. All of the supporting players are young, too. All there is to complain about is 19.2 innings of Mike Lincoln and 70 PAs of Corky Miller (though even his .644 OPS isn’t that far off from the average catcher). I guess you could add Edmonds and Harang if you wanted to be a dick.
Maybe Krivsky had a plan, maybe he didn’t. But one thing is for sure, this is a damn fine job at roster construction.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 20, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the "no chaff" point can't be stressed enough
The bench and rotation fillers have been incredibly valuable. A lot of that is Walt’s shrewdness, but prior regimes should get credit for Lecure, Wood, etc. stepping into the rotation without the team skipping a beat.
I was half expecting Cairo to be chaff.
That guy has been key.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I can't reply to everyone, so I choose you
I mentioned Rolen, because of course he has made a big difference. Slyde mentioned theor record last year after he joined the club. But this is what I am talking about. One player, especially one that we assumed would be hurt most of the time and be declining, should not be making this much of an impact.
The Reds just went with high upside guys and stuck with them. They ditched the chaff and committed to Stubbs, Bruce, Leake, Wood, Bailey, Ondrusek, Smith, Del Rosario, and even when DRH faltered, they didn’t go out and get a washed up roster filler for the minimum to “eat innings.” I’m leaving out the fact they did actually stick with Mike Lincoln for no good reason.
I get overly pissed when Walt starts making chaff additions like Isringhausen and Edmonds and Springer because I’m worried he doesn’t not trust the young talent as much I do. I’m terrified that they’ll choose to lean on Isringhausen and Edmonds down the stretch. Or what if Harang is named the starter for game 1 of the playoffs? I mean great that mean we made the playoffs, but really?
I’m done rambling. My only point is that they’ve been able to improve so much by just adding Rolen, making a lineup adjustment, and trusting the young pitching that we’ve got. They didn’t have to go out and sign the big free agents or give the team a massive facelift.
by Brian B on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Tampa Bay Rays had a large jump not too long ago
As did the Tigers, I believe
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
The Padres sort of made a jump this year, too. A little one and all.
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-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolen had only played 4 games with the Reds when they were 51-70
They were 27-14 after that point.
What could be a concern is that next season we’re likely looking at a drop-off of some sort unless the Reds make a couple of improvements. Hopefully Jocketty won’t sit on his hands completely in the off-season, but right now, I’m not worried about that.
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the bench of Cairo, Heisey, Janish, Nix, Catcher
has been nigh-unstoppable. And I don’t think anyone will expect that to happen next year.
I’m a bit worried of going the way of the Rays. But then I realize the way of the Rays ain’t too bad. It just needs a good Louisville team (oh wait…)
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I gotta think a lot of that is luck.
I thought Cairo was a better option than Sutton or Miles, but even his own mom probably didn’t expect him to hit the way he has.
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I think it's essential that the fans continue to show up...
I have little doubt that they will. If he sees that the fans have bought in to this team, the budget will be expanded proportionally.
Going with that, I think it’s clear that this team needs either Cueto, Volquez, Bailey, Wood or Chapman to establish themselves as an Ace or pick up a free agent. Our team is built to win the division as there are essentially no weak links, but no hammer to beat the best teams in the playoffs. The Cardinals are basically are opposite, several hammers and several weak links. It’s the reason why they can sweep us at home and then drop 4.5 games in a week. That said, they are the team to be feared in the playoffs.
This brings up the question… do you pick up Arroyo’s option (I’d say this year he’s proven he’s worth that $9 mill difference) or use the $9 mill to help offset a monster contract to Cliff Lee (or similar ace)?
I pick up Arroyo
and let harang go.(I think this is the final year on his contract?) Anyway its nice knowing you have a vet that can consitantly throw quality starts, esp with the rest of the rotation being so young and while they are good, they also will be prone to getting blown up. I really doubt the reds can get an A list type of free agent starter to come play in cincy. However they can spend some money and get a very good outfielder, or possibly start looking to replace rolen. as much as we all love what he has done, can we really expect the same next year or the year after? I say get a corner outfielder who doesnt require musical chairs philosophy for playing time.
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by ThreeofSpades on Aug 20, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We have Rolen for awhile
And you can’t replace him after the year he’s having. Even if his bat regresses, his D makes him invaluable. And I disagree about frontline starters coming to Cincy, especially if/when the Reds make the playoffs this year. But an elite outfielder would be fantastic as well
Invaluable means valuable? What a country!
I disagree about free agent pitchers not wanting to come to cincy too. But I also disagree that we should be spending $20m per year on a 4+ year deal for Cliff Lee, or whatever it will take. First priority has to be SS. After that? LF, unless they give it outright to Heisey. Besides that? Fill the bench roles.
by Brian B on Aug 20, 2010 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think it depends on whether we can keep this bench intact.
I’m ok keeping Cairo/Nix/Hernanigans. END has been valuable in limited spots. If we keep Gomes around, that pretty much settles our bench. SS is first priority definitely, though I’m not sure who will be available that’s a major upgrade.
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Yeah, I just hope Jocketty doesn't just decide it's time to sell out for proven veteranship.
We can keep everyone together, even down to Cairo if that’s what we want.
me either
but there are clearly fluky performances on this team and the team should not count on them.
What are the fluky performances?
Hanigan’s .400 OBP?
Wood’s season?
Ondrusek/Smith/Rhodes (the entire bullpen)?
Rolen’s health?
Leake’s tightrope act?
Maybe there are some players outperforming their projections but I don’t know if that means they’re flukey (that it will not happen again). Plus, the entire outfield is underperforming, and I think you have to expect improvement from them.
Wood’s numbers are in line with his minor league career. Leake is an unknown. He could go either way.
by Brian B on Aug 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here are some
Gomes’s production, especially against RH’s
Rhodes’s performance. There’s good and then there’s 2010 Arthur Rhodes
Janish is hitting better than he has since A ball
Rolen has been healthy and hit 20 home runs already
Mike Leake is clearly not as good as his early numbers indicated (although he still has upside)
The catching duo has been amongst the top three in the league…not sure that was expected
In all, this team was supposed to struggle to score runs and, instead, they’ve scored them in bunches. You cannot claim that was foreseen or to be expected. I thought the offense could be competent if Jay Bruce developed and hit 30 bombs. He has not. Prior to August, the Reds were hot for 6-8 weeks in May through June where un-real performances by Stubbs, Bruce, Gomes, and the expected contributors fueled an amazing two month record. that offense was and is unsustainable.
We all know what Colin Cowherd would say, Brian: the Reds beat up on sucky teams. You can’t count on that year to year (if you do, you construct your roster like the Cardinals did and oops, some deeper team emerges and challenges you).
Still, I like the optimism and I definitely agree that this team is fun to watch. In the off-season, they need to find an ace who can help them win in the playoffs, but, for now, I’m loving the ride.
I don't know Colin Cowherd aside from people here talking about him here.
Career best for Janish, sure. But he’s had just 113 at bats this entire year, so his numbers are volatile and can crash at any moment with a bad week. I do’nt think he’s having as great a season as some are saying because of the last two weeks. So it’s hard to say it has been fluky.
Also Gomes is batting .253 .299 .412 against RHP. How is that fluky? Even if you’re saying his May was fluky, that’s way too selective of a sample size for this discussion. No one would expect him to repeat his May for an entire season.
Rhodes is having a career best year, but not by much. He has had several great years. I don’t expect him to repeat this kind of dominance, but he doesn’t have to. He can afford to give up a run here and there and still get the same results.
Rolen’s health is fluky, as I’ve said. But he hasn’t been immune to injuries this year either. He has just avoided the big one.
I’ll admit that Leake’s success was probably more than he should get used to, and I’ve been ready for him to crash back to earth since his first start. But he hasn’t. His “struggles” haven’t really been struggles. All the runs he allowed came in a couple of innings. it’s very conclusory of you to say he is “clearly” not as good as his early numbers, since you have nothing to compare it to except his college numbers, which indicate he is every bit as good as his early numbers if not better. But you are probably right anyway, since very very few pitchers give up 1 or 0 runs per start over the course of their career.
The catching duo was almost as good as they were last year, so yeah, it was expected.
I know it’s realistic to expect some regression from even players who are playing to their potential. So, yeah, that will happen somewhere. But it is also realistic to expect offensive improvements from SS, RF and CF, even if CF is still Drew Stubbs next year.
Sure you can improve more than 5-6 games, if:
- You underperform expectations in only one position (RF, and not by that much), while outperforming in at least four (1B, 2B, 3B, C).
- Each of your five primary bench players put up OPS+’s over 100
- Your prior year draftee skips the minors and meaningfully contributes to your rotation.
- Your 40 year-old setup man makes the All Star team
- The rotation fillers from AAA pitch incredibly well (a huge difference from prior years, obviously).
I’m enjoying the ride and am most appreciative of the fact that the disappointments have been greatly outnumbered by the outperformers. I don’t want to call it luck, but I wouldn’t count on this many things going right. Which is why it’s hard to reasonably predict an improvement of more than 5-6 games.
Also, this team has been remarkably healthy
Cabrera and the catchers are the only regulars to spend time on the DL, though Rolen should have been on the DL.
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I've wondered whether their health is really that extraordinary
Rolen has been a pleasant surprise, but Phillips and Bruce have been the only guys to play basically every day. Votto has missed about 9 games. And as you said Cabreara and the catchers have all spent time on the DL. Harang and Bailey are OD rotation guys that have been to the DL. Having great subs has obviously helped.
It’d be interesting to see what the average DL/injury time is per team. My sense is that the Reds are probably better than average but are not leaps and bounds above it. Just a WAG.
I agree
I don’t think health has been extraordinary other than Rolen. You mentioned the catchers and Cabrera. Harang’s been out. Bailey was out. Rhodes was hurt for a bit. Dickerson was supposed to play but got hurt. Votto was out for over a week, right? Lincoln got hurt.
I think we’ve had our share of injuries. We’re just deep.
Besides, this comment was just about the myth that teams can’t improve more than 5-6 games. And that “rule” already takes into account teams actually trying to improve in the off season.
One more thing about the chaff – we have very little. We thought we had some in Miguel Cairo. We were wrong. But if he did turn out to be just roster filler, we wouldn’t be able to attribute the success to not having chaff (and we may not be even having the same success in thefirat place). So next time some of is gripe about crappy offseason signings, I don’t want to hear people saying “oh, he’s just the 25th man and won’t have any impact.” That guy’s important too.
by Brian B on Aug 20, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rolen also discovered his power for the first time in a while
that was pretty cool.
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by Cy Schourek on Aug 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I can say that about the batting order
I’m thinking Scott Rolen knew how to hit whether he was hitting 4th or 5th
Michigan St. with...a good idea?
I would love for the Reds to do this with their uniforms backs:
Players also have embraced “fun friday,” adding their nickname or power animal name to the tape on their helmet instead of their last name.
“and now, batting third, the 200-lb. wolverine with opposite field power”
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I also like to think that
instead of just saying “honey badger” or “orca” they actually get to scotch-tape a picture to the uniform back
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 20, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
What do they do when someone says "Hey, Bear, get over here!"
and the entire offensive line turns and looks?
I have a feeling MLB would not approve
Though maybe you could convince them if it would lead to more jersey sales…
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What if the uniforms also had a Transformers 3 logo on the sleeves?
by Brian B on Aug 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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