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  • Dusty was asked about the outfield situation
    and particularly, about the lack of playing time for Chris Heisey. "I’ve tried to protect Heisey, like I did last year with Gomes to match ‘em up against certain guys they have a better chance to hit," Baker said. "I really like Heisey. I know a lot of people are screaming, ‘Heisey, Heisey, Heisey,’ but I’m trying to put him in certain positions to succeed, against pitchers I think he can hit. Right now. He can hit, but he’s still learning, too, and he listens."

    The interesting thing to me is that this whole conversation is framed as "Heisey should play over Stubbs or Bruce, who are slumping so bad." My question is, why is Jonny Gomes immune to these criticisms? Since June 1st (selective endpoint!), the entire outfield has been absolutely brutal. Gomes has been the "best" of the bunch, slashing .239/.293/.388. Bruce has been slightly less jaundiced, slashing .251/.290/.372. Stubbs comes in at .222/.271/.364. Now, these are just the past two months, which obviously ignores Stubbs' and Gomes' hot May's and Bruce's steady first 3 months. But Hal framed the question in terms of "what have you done for me lately?" so I decided to look at just these past 2 months. Thing is, Gomes is hitting the ball only slightly better than the other two, but he's the one who doesn't play Gold-Glove defense. I agree that Heisey should be playing more (a good bit more), but it should be the expense of Gomes as much as anyone else. And Nix can sit on it for all I care.

  • Carlos Fisher was sent out to Louisville in exchange for Russ Springer
    Springer was not on the 40-man, but as far as I can tell the Reds had an open spot anyway so no move had to be made to accommodate him. "He adds experience," said Reds manager Dusty Baker. "He's been in pennant races, World Series. We're young [in the bullpen]. We need a stabilizer to go along with Arthur [Rhodes] and [Francisco] Cordero." Springer is pretty much strictly a ROOGy at this stage in his career, so hopefully Dusty doesn't let him face too many lefties. The bullpen has been so solid lately I kinda fear upsetting that chi. Hopefully he pitches well.

  • Homer Bailey pitched very well Saturday night in his second rehab start
    He threw 6.2 scoreless while walking 2 and striking out 3. He should be ready to return to the Reds later this week. The big question is not when, but rather where? If he were to return to the rotation, who would he bump? Travis Wood has been great and Volquez deserves a longer leash than 3-4 starts. Mike Leake probably has around 50 innings left in the tank for the season, and I wouldn't want to pull him out of the rotation until then. Homer has said he is amenable to a stint in the bullpen, but who would he bump there? Carlos Fisher was just sent on his way to make room for Russ Springer, and Jordan Smith is pitching like a madman. Consarn it, we just have too many good pitchers!

  • This is what makes Dusty Baker a not-horrible manager
    When asked about the lack of activity at the deadline, Brandon Phillips had this to say:  "I love this team and I feel comfortable with this team," he said. "But whatever Walt Jocketty and Dusty Baker come up with - I believe in them more than anything. They're doing the right thing. If they feel like we can win, I believe in this team." Baker has the full confidence of his players, and though he may hit bad hitters at the top of the lineup and leave bench players to rot, I think the trust thing is pretty important.  I still don't know what to think about a contract extension for him.  Some days I'm ok with it, others I'm not.  We should find out about that soon, as the word is they are going to have discussions this month.

  • I have to admit
    when the Reds brought Jordan Smith to the big club straight from AA I had no idea what they were thinking. He was pretty hittable in Carolina earlier this season, and his minor league career thus far (he was drafted in '06) had been fairly unremarkable. He had a decent ground ball rate and he didn't walk many hitters, but he was mostly a raw and unproven pitcher. But damn, he was ready. He's pitched 21.1 innings so far and only given up 6 runs.

    "I got myself mentally prepared that ‘If I get up there, I’m going to give it all I got,’ " (Smith) said. "I’ve been ready to pitch in the big leagues for awhile now...I get locked in. My attitude is, ‘I hate losing, but I’m not afraid to lose. Here’s the ball, hit it.’ The rest of the bullpen is doing the same." The Reds All-Star infield has done a fantastic job of gobbling up all those grounders Smith serves up, which is really a testament to Walt and the front office. Few beyond them believed Smith was the right guy for this job, but damned if he ain't.

Star-divide

  • Axe Hal:
    Q: Why all the concern about Mike Leake’s innings in 2010? How many innings did he pitch last year at Arizona State and since colleges play only 60 or 70 innings I can’t believe he was overworked? — Larry, Piqua.
    A: It isn’t a case of him being overworked at Arizona State. He wasn’t. He pitched 142 innings. The concern is that he has never pitched MORE than that in one year and he is approaching that number of innings with the Reds. They are worrying about him running out of arm strength. And who knows how overworked he might have been in his ecology, medieval history and advanced statistics class at ASU – or was it phys ed?

    Q: How many more starts do you give Edinson Volquez before you send him back to Louisville to work on post-operation control issues? — Pat, Troy.
    A: I can’t even make my wife go to the bank, so I certainly can’t make Volquez go back to Louisville. Remember, he already had four minor-league rehab starts. He was unhittable in his first start with the Reds, then was plug-ugly in his next two. You could almost see the rust falling off his arm. Maybe he should rub some 3-in-One oil or Rustoleum on his arm until the rust is gone.

  • azruavatar at Viva el Birdos has a detailed and level-headed analysis of the Cardinals big deadline deal
    that sent Ryan Ludwick to the Padres and brought Jake Westbrook to St. Louie. Basically, what he says is that the Cardinals traded future value for present value in attempt to win the division (not likely). Ludwick is a quality outfielder with one year of arbitration eligibility left, but their rotation was hurting so much that they needed help there more than they needed Ludwick. Personally, I think it's a lateral move at best for them, but Dave Duncan is probably going to turn Westbrook into vintage Brandon Webb. Jerk.

  • Poll
    Chris Heisey needs to play more. Whose playing time do you cut more?
    Jay Bruce
    56 votes
    Jonny Gomes
    122 votes
    Drew Stubbs
    301 votes

    479 votes | Poll has closed

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I have yet to receive my prize from a few games from last year.

    Who do I contact?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't think I want a Madville gift.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I just gave away a very (well runng) 1994 Toyota Camry (only 205,000 milies on it) to a young man I know who really needed a car to get to work..

    I would have given it to Farney…but ….welllllllll

    Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
    BuubaFan...

    by Madville on Aug 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    only 205,000 miles!

    You are a true philanthropist, Mads!

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I have a car, but thank you.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    do you rent it or own it???

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Incidentally

    until the Reagan years, all interest paid was tax deductible. The rules were changed mainly because of the rise of credit cards; the biggest exception left behind was mortgage interest. So now we don’t subsidize people’s car loans, but we do subsidize mortgages.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    cars are a depreciating asset

    i agree with eliminating the interest tax credit on vehicle loans, personal loans, and credit cards.

    im all for tax credits for property ownership however. i recommend that most folks (except for a select few RR folk) own appreciating assets!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    But that's the thing about housing.

    It was generally seen as a depreciating asset until around WWII. Which makes sense: why should a 20 year old house be worth more than a new one? (obvious answer: because we’re valuing both the location and the house itself, which may be falling apart)

    But if it’s so easily assumed to be an appreciating asset, why do we need to subsidize its ownership?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    also, I wonder how much houses really appreciate.

    When compared to inflation, a lot of them don’t appreciate much at all

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, using that approximation, you pay 1.5 times the value in interest

    and everyone else’s taxes pay the other 0.5 times the value.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    still a lot of interest!

    which means ultimately you lost money on the deal, even if the house doubles in value

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    but I guess not as much as "throwing money away" each month for rent

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It's not throwing money away

    if you value other things. Like, say, being able to move without incurring all the costs that selling and buying a new house would involve.

    Or if you are risk averse and value not having to be responsible for unexpected maintenance.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    WOLVERINES!!!!!

    they’re remaking Red Dawn, ya know?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    agreed (I have rented for 8 years now)

    esp here, where on top of your mortgage you have to pay maintenance and/or common charges, which can be a lot and is truly throwing money away, since that doesn’t go towards equity in anything.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah.

    I have a friend who bought a place in Queens, which works for him because he really enjoys the whole renovation thing (which he’s almost entirely doing himself). I would get nothing out of that. It might still be worth it at some point to have the stability of owning a place, but probably not any time soon.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    stand alone homes used to be the way to go here (no maintenance fees, just cost to renovate)

    but even gutted brownstones are too expensive these days, and you can’t even live in them for a year while you are working on them.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Part of it is that owning just got too expensive relative to renting in NYC

    which will even out a bit, but yeah. It’s just not worth the hassle to me to buy now, and wouldn’t be until a lot changed for me.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    oh, good

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    here. we. go.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Well, to use more capitalist terms

    there are large fixed costs to moving when you own. These are a lot lower for renters. Which could make it much easier for you to, say, find a new job.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    employers don't want transients

    60% now pull credit reports on applicants. Nomads aren’t going to be in much demand in the workforce moving forward.

    the majority of jobhoppers are substandard producers, hence why they jobhob to begin with.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    what does a credit report have to do with being transient?

    And last I checked, employers aren’t exactly preaching or practicing loyalty to their employees.

    Independent contracting and consulting combined with working from home is the way of the future.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    so you're working from someone else's home

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    someone else's property, but still D's home.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    a home is not a house

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    a man's home is his castle

    and a car i drive isnt mine unless i own it.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You probably feel the same way about women

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    your car or your wife?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    slydes wife would bring a king's ransom

    not all wives are created equal

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    this is true

    My wife is one of the best out there.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes but is she gassy?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You too, Slyde.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No doubt.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    unfortunately

    you end up with a lot of zombies hiding in the cars, because they turned inside the car and then couldnt get out. you gotta be careful.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    This is true.

    Always go in weapon-first. And always check the backseats and the trunk as well.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    double tap

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Zombieland'd

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well done, Charlie.

    Rec’d

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I saw castles in Austria. Do you live in Austria?

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You've been to Austria? G'Day Mate!

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    transvestite'd

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

    So you're basically working from an office?

    Since you’re renting, and most office buildings are leases anyway.

    Who owns their own office building these days?

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i once thought DAT was the way of the future

    glad i didnt bet my career on it!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't know too many transients that have good credit ratings/scores

    The problem with independent contracting and consulting is that the industry’s going to find a lot of fixed bids thrown its way in the near future, IMO.

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    After the last few years

    many homeowners ended up with worse credit ratings than identical people who kept renting, so I’m not sure how credit reports support your argument.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    define "many"

    i find that statement inaccurate and irresponsible.

    most homeowners i know were not impacted at all the past few years.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    your wife subsidizes your credit score!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    not true

    My credit score has consistently been higher than hers, though I imagine that won’t be the case for much longer. Of course, at this point, what’s mine is hers and vice versa.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    TMI

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I just wanted to be clear

    that I only recently became a free-loader. I used to be respectable.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you used to live in Ann Arbor

    which is impressive.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    by your definition, I still do live in Ann Arbor

    those someone else rents my condo

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    so its not their house?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    its only their house if they get a tax credit

    ketchup!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    first of all, not sure where "those" came from

    but no, it’s not their house, mainly because it’s a condo.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i was making a topical joke

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    a condo?

    oh, that’s someone else’s home.

    if it was a standalone property with its own foundation then i’d have to say you currently have homes in different states.

    turns out someone else is sleeping in your house.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    his house, their home

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I've held on to it

    because owning is so lucrative.

    Also, because no one in Michigan has a job anymore.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Just like Waterworld!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I fully anticipate the US to contract Michigan

    and break it up into surrounding states.

    Part of Detroit will end up in the Toledo-Metro area in the New Ohio

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And rent on your mother's basement can't be too pricy.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    but it seems she reports said rent to the three credit bureaus

    slyders a lucky, lucky man!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, I could put it this way.

    I don’t need to own a home to have excellent credit. So why bring that up?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    its not a requirement

    but it sure as shit helps.

    i’d take the average credit scores of homeowners over the average credit scores of renters.

    then again, i can’t even get ash to agree to a bet…

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    nevermind the actual qualifications, right?

    who cares if someone is good at a particular position – they rent, so don’t hire them!

    by Daedalus on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I can't rec this enough.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you are wise

    i have to admit that.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The average credit scores of homeowners would be higher than the average for renters, sure.

    But the direction of causality is probably not what you’re arguing: a higher credit score is necessary to get a mortgage. Or at least, it is once again.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    yeah, I've got banks falling all over themselves to loan me money

    and I’ve never even owned a car

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hmmmmmmm

    wanna take this one, gray?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    clue me in

    what’s the “v” in this definition mean, then?

    v. (m-pkt) im·pact·ed, im·pact·ing, im·pacts
    v.tr.
    1. To pack firmly together.
    2. To strike forcefully: meteorites impacting the lunar surface.
    3. Usage Problem To have an effect or impact on: “No region … has been more impacted by emerging demographic and economic trends” (Joel Kotkin).

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    and slyde says i never admit being wrong!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    not me

    I was a trailing spouse. I job hopped because I was enslaved to my wife’s desires to go to grad school.

    /full circle

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Your wife is a building?

    That’s not a very nice thing to say, Slyde

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    FWIW in my sample size of 1...

    I doubled my net worth in a 5-year span when I purchased a house just before the California real estate market exploded. By paying off my house with additional principal payments early and re-financing into a 15-year mortgage, I will have it paid off in 17 years instead of the standard 30-35. In order to take advantage of tax structures for independent contractors/consultants like myself, I have incorporated as an S-CORP and deduct almost all non-mortgage, non-grocery costs, resulting in a very low net income. These tax advantages give me the financial flexibility to pay the higher mortgage costs. But while my credit score is enviable and my net worth is high, no one will loan me money for anything, as my net income is too low for creditors to see that I can make additional payments on say…a used car or a small remodel job. I’ll have to finish paying off the house before anyone will loan me money again…luckily, that’s only 5.5 years away. But when I want to buy a pre-owned car in 6 months, I might be stuck saving up to buy it in cash.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    if you have a job and a down payment

    you can go to one of those buy here/pay here car lots. sure, they put a kill switch on the motor but that’s a minor detail.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, but I don't want to buy a POS from a used car lot.

    I want a badass behicle, such as this one that I’ve kept my eye on…

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    meh

    i can get you cooler for cheaper

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not in California you can't.

    But if you can, I’m excited to see what you have in store…

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ahhh right

    i fogot you were Mr. Hollywood :)

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    what do you mean not in california you can't

    is it an emissions thing?

    otherwise you can buy from anywhere and have it shipped to you

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    cuban cigar'd

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, it's an emissions thing.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    a cooler?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ecto-cooler?

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The best Hi-C of all time!

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    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you lose money on food and booze

    they don’t retain any value after consumption

    quit eating and drinking!!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Sure, you lost money

    but housing also has consumption value: you get to live in it rent-free while you’re paying it off.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    and women dig men who own property

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    One of the profs in my department decided we all needed to know

    that women totally digged him as soon as he got his PhD.

    Then again, I don’t have that either.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    chicks dig medical doctors

    not doctors of history, etc.

    its all about the cash flow!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Oh, I could make quite a bit of money with an econ PhD.

    That’s the good thing about a field with lots of options outside academia.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    go make that money

    you, too, can have cable in your residence!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    THIS

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    lesson: pay cash for big purchases!

    no interest

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    true statement

    or, take the 0% financing, and pay it off before the interest kicks in

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    0% is still bad if you have the money to pay for it upfront

    you give up the rebates.

    if you can’t be disciplined enough to save that money & be able to make up the difference in interest, you should still go ahead and pay cash.

    by 'tHan on Aug 4, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    They did for a while

    but there’s no reason to think that can continue indefinitely. And obviously, it hasn’t.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    small sample size

    houses have consistently gone up in value for a half century.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    for odd definitions of "consistently"

    I agree that the trend is upward, but I’m not sure what you’re arguing by saying that they consistently go up in value. Most years they have, and some years they haven’t.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    but there's nothing to predict they will continue to outpace inflation

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    inflation is a coming folks!

    hopefully all of y’alls retirement plans are fat and funded. and diversified.

    otherwise i’ll be renting houses to some of youse guys!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    why do you give a shit what I do with the money

    outside of the money you paid for my book, which was WAY more than I’ve charged anyone else. You was robbed!

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    fits my pro bono requirement

    leaving the light on for the unenlightened masses helps me sleep at night!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm more worried about deflation

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    TWSS

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    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Don't houses have a historical correlation with earnings?

    I know that during the bubble it was out of whack, but it’s probably approaching the norm now.

    by ken on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that's a rec

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    x

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    rec'd

    Just for being really interesting.

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't know that the tax code encourages home ownership because it favors equity and appreciating assets

    so much as encouraging home ownership encourages home improvement and workforce stability.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, the arguments for the subsidy are along those lines

    but my point was that if it has as many benefits to the owner as obc argues, why should government also need to subsidize it?

    I was reading a book not too long ago that made the point that in only a few places in the world do most people actually live in houses: basically the direct descendants of Anglo-American culture and the Dutch actually do so. Even in similarly “Western” cultures like, say, Italy or France, most people don’t live in houses.

    And because it’s a lot harder to buy anything that’s not a detached house, we also end up further incentivizing the status quo there.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    this
    only a few places in the world do most people actually live in houses

    by Daedalus on Aug 2, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Definitely

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't remember, but I've been told that

    the womb is nice.

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    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    a bit cramped.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    twins'd

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    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Because it doesn't have as many benefits to the owner as it does to society?

    I don’t agree with that, but surely that’s the theory.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Right, we would want to subsidize things when the market breaks down

    or when there are externalities. It’s hard to argue that any externalities of homeownership are remotely as large as the amounts we spend subsidizing homeownership, though.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i wonder what the teabaggers think of this

    on the one hand, it’s SOCIALISM!™. on the other, it benefits whites more than blacks, as whites are more likely to own homes. hmm…when “principles” clash…

    by Daedalus on Aug 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    A lot of people have spent a lot of time and money

    to convince Americans that their self worth depends on owning a home. And that moreover, the subsidy is a God-given right, not an evil subsidy. I can’t imagine that it will go away any time soon.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It would also be hard to prove that they aren't,

    But realistically, subsidizing home ownership is about fetishizing the 1950s version of the American Dream, and keeping the construction industry happy. How about we fetishize FDR’s dream and only subsidize chicken farms and pot-makers?

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm willing to help out with this.

    That dame had some curves!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That is an absolute rec!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I appreciate asses, is that tax deductible?

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you really are an ass man

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    SHUT YOUR FACE

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I've said this many times

    You can buy a nice set of boobs, you cannot buy a nice ass.

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, not a real one.

    They have those butt inserts for pants.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I told you before

    There are such a thing as butt implants.

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    they don't taste the same

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    If I can touch them, they're real to me!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Kobe how my ass taste?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Seriously.

    Donkeys really aren’t that expensive either!

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Where do I line up?

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I would

    Madville gave me a Reds pint glass in June

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No way. That think was made out for 11 Bazzillion dollars.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Awesome.

    Totally sweet.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    your prize

    is the glory of being first. And not having anyone tell you, “Hey jerkazoid! We only do ‘firsts’ in game threads!”

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'll take it!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Correct on the 40-Man

    but they will need a spot by Wednesday for Dickerson. Those who have a shot at the D-F-A then would probably include Drew Sutton, Micah Owings, Laynce Nix, Daniel Ray Herrera.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

    You think Dickerson gets called up Wednesday?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

    He's allowed 20 days down there

    Looks like he began July 17th. So August 5th (Thursday) he has to be back.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    He also has options.

    But you’re probably right. If Stubbs doesn’t have a monster Pittsburgh series, he’s probably gone for a bit.

    Of course, we could all be shocked and Nix could get the axe…..haha, yeah, I know. Nevergonnahappen.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

    lefthandedbenchbat'd

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    /whocan'thitrighties'd

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Dusty'd

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

    yeah

    If you are trying to win, and Stubbs is 1 for his last 36 and keeps his job, while you have a guy on rehab dominating AAA and he gets sent to AAA for good, what ind of message does that send?

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Nix's numbers aren't too terrible.

    I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

    by justin007000 on Aug 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

    he has a lower BA and OBP than Rosales ytd...

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

    but he has a higher success to skank ration.

    just ask bk.

    I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

    by justin007000 on Aug 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

    not bk brendan.

    I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

    by justin007000 on Aug 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

    They're rationing skanks now?

    We really are in a recession!

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I waited 3 hours in line for one just yesterday

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Ewwww.

    I hope you wrapped it up.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

    clearly you weren't in C-bus

    no wait up there, my friend. its like everywhere has call ahead skank seating…

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

    /looks at Scrabbles

    “How you doin?”

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

    you know who doesn't?

    Miguel Cairo

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

    i know!

    he’s been a very pleasant surprise. I really bashed him earlier this year.

    crow tastes good!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes it does.

    I still hate Cairo but he keeps playing well.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't hate him, but I can't believe how good he's been

    His SLG is like 100 points higher than any of his past 6 or 7 years.

    What are they feeding this team where so many old guys have found so much power?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

    GABP!

    /I’venotcheckedthestatssoIcouldbeterriblywrong

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't want to know!

    La La La La La!

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

    /plugs ears

    //closes eyes
    ///shakes head back and forth

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

    over ice?

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, but the idea of Rosales fielding a fly ball to left is just a little less stressful

    than Gomes doing it.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Teh Fay suggests

    that Stubbs could be sent to Louisville when Chris Dickerson is called up this week. Don’t know if I like that idea.

    "Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
    — Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

    by cesarhernandez on Aug 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

    hmmmm

    i might not be completely against that. it may force Baker to spread playing time among Dickerson, Heisey, and Gomes more evenly than if Stubbs is there. i like Stubbs, but perhaps some time to clear his head is exactly what he needs. it’s certainly interesting.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, I kinda like it too. Stubbs has to know he's sucking, so just send him down and tell him he'll be back Sept. 1st at the latest

    Dusty knows Dickerson can’t hit lefties, so that guarantees Heisey at least a few starts in CF.

    Dusty also knows Dickerson is fragile, so that means a few more starts.

    Also, Dusty will be tempted to start Dickerson in LF in place of Gomes, giving us a great defensive OF occasionally.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I wonder

    if it might be Heisey sent down. Simply for business reasons.

    Heisey’s already burned an option for this year. They can send him up and down as much as they want, and it’s still only one option.

    Is it really worth burning one of Stubbs’ options for three weeks of C-Dick?

    The Yanks got into a similar situation with Melky Cabrera. They sent him down in August to teach him a lesson. That burned his last option, and the next year, when they really wanted to send him down, they couldn’t. The “mismanagement” of Melky’s options provided a lot of fodder for the press that season.

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Stubbs has at least one more option after this year, so I don't really think it's a big deal.

    If the team still can’t decide if he’s good enough to be the starting CF in 2012, I’d say it’s time to cut bait.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

    If they decide he's a backup OFer

    (like Melky), that could be even more reason to treasure his options.

    I don’t think Dickerson is going to be with the team next year, so my guess is they aren’t concerned about his options.

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    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, the Cincy press will eat the Reds to pieces!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Rec'd

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

    rawr

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I like it.

    Let Stubbs go back and work on learning how to bunt, and how to hit at AAA. I’d be fine with a Dickerson / Heisey Platoon in center. Can’t be any worse than what we have gotten out of Stubbs.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Problem is we would still see Gomes

    every day in LF. Don’t like it for defensive reasons…..Maybe platoon Dickerson and Gomes in LF and put Heisey every day in CF?

    "Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
    — Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

    by cesarhernandez on Aug 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

    that would be my vote.

    "Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

    by GrooveLeg on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I hate to say this

    but I think you’d see Heisey get exposed if he was in CF every day too. I’d be willing to find out, but I think a 3 way platoon between LF and CF is probably better.

    Of course, that’s also probably too complicated for Dusty to manage.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Stubbs potential

    If we can agree that Stubbs is not as bad as he’s been, then the question is how do the Reds get him to play up to his potential. If Walt and (gulp) Dusty think that a trip to Louisville (which is lovely this time of year) is the best way to do it, then see you in September!

    If you're not having fun, stop participating.

    by redandblue on Aug 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I cannot agree that Stubbs is not as bad as he's been

    What he’s doing now is what I expected of him @ the MLB level, given what he did in AAA.

    IMO, he’s a .700 OPS guy, which is pretty terrible, even considering his defense

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm ok with it.

    While it’s certainly too soon to give up on Drew Stubbs, he really isn’t helping the ballclub right now. Of course – if it comes to the 25 man roster- I think I’d rather take Stubbs than Nix to the postseason. (Knock on wood). Pitching and defense win championships, right?

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    And since Stubbs can strike out on 3 pitches just like Nix, they really are interchangeable.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Not to Dusty. They bat from different sides of the plate!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, these guys could totally pitch.

    I’ve never believed in that old adage. I’ve always thought it was hitting and defense and some dudes that can throw win championships. Pitching’s great. But the best teams in history are known for their ability to hit.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, the 1990 team was definitely a pitching first team

    But the bigger point is, in the playoffs bats can disappear. Often this is simply because of the vagaries of BABIP in tiny sample sizes.

    But good, reliable pitching won’t disappear, so if I had to choose one or the other entering playoff time, I’d go with pitching.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Yeah, because the A's superiors pitching really helped them out.

    The Reds won games 7-0, 5-4 and 8-3! Of the Reds 22 runs in that series they drove in 20 of them.

    Now, the NLCS of that year was a lot closer — Cincinnati winning games 2-1, 6-3 and 2-1 while losing 3-1 and 4-3.

    Still, in the postseason, I’d bet on this happening (Reggie Jackson’s career postseason numbers) .278/.358/.527/.885 from a star hitter more often than this (Smoltz’s career postseason numbers) 15-4, 40 appearances, 27 starts, 2.65 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 67 BB, 194 K, 168 H, 2 CG, 1 SO, 4 saves over 207 innings from a star pitcher. Any day of the week.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

    The Reds had superior pitching in 1990

    and the A’s had much better offense, which did them absolutely no good. They scored 8 runs in the series.

    /expert’d

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I'm still taking the offense.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    not me

    At least not in the post-season.

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't put a whole lot of stock into it either.

    Mostly, I just like Stubbs’ defense better than Nix’s … whatever. We all know Veteran Presence is what wins championships.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

    absolutely

    i don’t believe any team has won the World Series without Vet Pres…

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm pretty sure that happened during the first WS. :p

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, there were still years of baseball before the first WS.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

    just like a half century of football before the Super Bowl

    dang.

    Veteran Presence is a living breathing thing!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Just ask Cleveland!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Clearly, the conclusion to be drawn is that they don't even bother playing a championship before there's been enough time for Veteran presence to develop.

    Otherwise it’d just be all Adam Dunn’s trying to catch fish from left field.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

    the Fab Five tried to break that Vet Pres barrier

    then Webber called a TO the team didnt have. lesson learned. they might have won if they had put Eric Riley on the court for the last possession.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Wow, using an example from college basketball, where no one stays longer than 2 years, to discuss veteran presence

    well played, and I’m convinced.

    Let’s make a push for Jeff Suppan, Ty Wiggington, Jamey Carroll, and Pat Burrell.

    We’d sweep every playoff series!

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Ja! Mie! Mo! Yer! Jam! Ie! Moy! Er!

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

    good lord

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Wrong. Shitty white guys stay four years.

    Shitty white guys always win. Just ask Luke Harangody how awesome making the Final Four was! ACC’s all-time leading scorer! Luke Harangody = winner.

    /mostoveratedshittywhiteguyever

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Duke'd

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    No, Duke wins with good black dudes.

    You never hear about them because people are too busy fellating the shitty white guys.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hmm.

    scheyer & singler seemed to have a lot to do with last year’s championship.

    more than nolan smith

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes because Grant Hill, Boozer, Jay Williams, Duhon

    Reggie Love, Elton Brand are all shittier than Scheyer and Singler.

    Also, Lance Thomas — the only dude on the 2009-2010 team that could rebound did not play any important part. None. Not to mention he actually played in the NBA summer league.

    And Andre Dawkins added nothing.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hill boozer williams and duhon didn't play last year

    the 2 best players for duke last season were scheyer and singler.

    you only had to look back 4 months to prove your statement was overblown.

    admit you were wrong.

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Which statement?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that duke has shitty white guys

    and they win because of good black dudes.

    scheyer & singler are not shitty.

    neither were reddick, laettner or ferry.

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, they are shitty.

    You’re holding them to the standards of college ball. I’m holding them against the standards of ALL basketball — except Reddick, he’s a decent pro.

    And yes, Duke wins because they have good players — black or white. But with Duke, they and the media always trumpet their white guys. Lance Thomas is a better player — he can rebound, he can post up and he can pass. Scheyer and Singler simply shoot and drive and can (occasionally) pass.

    They are not GOOD well-rounded players. They are shitty. That’s why they won’t play in the NBA. They’re Adam Morrison.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Good lord, what?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    adam morrison won 2 nba titles!

    and your argument is insane.

    you say they win with shitty white guys. why would you compare them against nba players? they aren’t winning titles in the nba, we were discussing college championship teams.

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    as opposed to OSU

    who doesn’t win with shitty black guys!

    greg oden’d

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nope, OSU wins with good white guys.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:1960_Ohio_State_basketball

    We come close with veternless teams that consist highly of average-to-meh black guys.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    UC has won more recently than that!

    twice, in fact

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes they have, back-to-back

    wins against OSU in 1961 and 1962, in fact.

    Still, much better than Ohio.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    but Ohio beat OSU last time they met

    in a tournament, no less.

    Ohio, clearly, has more VP than OSU.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    OSU owns the all-time series 17-4.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    any games played before your lifetime dont count

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That's retarded.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, that's too early.

    Oden isn’t shitty. He’s meh. And injured. Now, he has the ability to become shitty, given enough time.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he's a terrible decision

    this generation’s Sam Bowie

    but uglier. and worse.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nah. Both he and Bowie were good

    decisions that don’t pan out.

    In the NBA you always take the tall guy.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    WFA

    most NBA championships post-Kareem have been won by the team with the best non-tall guy.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, cuz Shaq was totally shitty.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Rec'd

    Well done.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes. Because in the NBA you

    need at least 2 super-stars.

    And it wasn’t until Kobe got Gasol (another awesome big guy) that they won.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    who were the two superstars for the Detroit Pistons a few years ago?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    In 2004, the Pistons were loaded

    Both Wallaces (Ben and Rasheed), Tayshaun Prince, Rip and Chauncey.

    That’s a total of 20 all-star appearances.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yet none of them are superstars

    not on the jordan, pippen, kobe, shaq, olajuwon level anyway

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, but stars for their time.

    Name the top 25 NBA players and Gasol’s in it.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You're right he's not.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    his what?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He's no Shaq.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I totally would have drafted Shaq above Oden.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i would have drafted Stanley Roberts over Oden!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    As would I have Crolf.

    Shaq was a much more polished player out of college with a dominating style.

    Oden was coming off an injury and has suffered through injuries for much of his young life.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Plus he looks about 20 years older than he actually is.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, a broken wrist will do that.

    But I agree, Oden’s biggest contribution is his defense. His offense is meh, but if you can block roughly three to four shots a game that does wonders for the defense.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    kevin durant is much better than manute bol

    may he rest in peace

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    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Agreed.

    Bol sucked.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No Shaq wasn't.

    But scouts compared Oden to Shaq — for better or worse.

    That’s higher praise than Cousins. Not that that’s worth anything,

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not like Oden.

    Oden was getting that shit when he was 15.

    Oden would have been the No. 1 pick the year prior, too.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Whoo!

    Keyon Dooling! Kareem Rush! Linas Kleiza! DeMarre Carroll! Anthony Peeler!

    I don’t follow NBA too much- just keep up with former Tigers.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No doubt. And Jordan was and will

    always be better than Bowie.

    Hell, I wrote a column about taking Durant first.

    But in the NBA — the hardest piece to find is a great big man. I never judge a team for taking one.

    Dirk, Howard, (old) Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Robinson — you MUST be big to win in the NBA.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You don't need a big guy star though

    Bulls and Pistons (Bad Boys and the aughts), to name a couple of examples.

    by ken on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that's what i was saying!

    are we counting Gasol as a big guy star?

    meh.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Gasol is a three-time all-star

    a former NBA Rookie of the Year and a two-time all-NBA third team.

    He’s a star. A Famer? No. But a modern star, yes.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i'll label him a dim star

    two time third team NBA = STAR?

    (gong)

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, but they have to be above average.

    And Tony Kukoc and Bill Lambeer are both very good players.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    now youre just fitting their players to your argument

    of course a team has to have the requisite number of post players to even field a team, let alone win a title. but you wouldnt be mentioning toni kucoc if he didnt happen to play for the bulls.

    and if youre going to bring up a big guy from those bulls teams, go with luc longley or horace grant!

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    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Horace Grant was phenomenal defensive

    player.

    He’s not as good as Kukoc, Gasol or Lambeer, though.

    Luc Longley sucked. So did Will Perdue.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The big man is the single biggest

    complimentary piece in the NBA.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    "biggest" being the operative word

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    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    So, I think the Heat might be good this year...

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    whoever has Thabeet is gonna win!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Bosh is a good big man.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i called that before draft day!!!!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No. My initial argument

    was that shitty white guys play four years.

    Then NYCRedsfan joked that that’s how Duke wins.

    So I made the argument that no, Duke wins with good black guys.

    To which I posted:

    No, Duke wins with good black dudes. You never hear about them because people are too busy fellating the shitty white guys.

    You’re the one that brought up Scheyer and Singler — changing the course of the argument.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The only thing that really matters is that

    Duke is a bunch of pretentious douche rockets and we all hate them.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    true

    but i have a hard time seeing how scheyer and singler are “shitty” but nolan smith and lance thomas are “good players”

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thomas can rebound

    and post-up and pass. He’s more well-rounded. And a better player.

    Just because his numbers aren’t eye-popping doesn’t mean he’s shitty.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you're making generalizations

    “we” don’t all hate Duke.

    this place is very anti-inclusive lately!!!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I went to Duke

    and feel pretty solidly indifferent towards the place. Then again, I have never managed to work up hatred for any universities really. It’s a lot easier to dislike the places that do a crappy job of the whole “university” thing though.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    what can you tell me about duke's business school?

    theyre among my 13 finalists

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Appear to be just as full of assholes as any other business school.

    Is UNC on your list too?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    assholes go to duke?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no

    i can only pick one from north carolina, and i chose duke

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What about Wake?

    I like Wake.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i visited wake for undergrad

    they dont have an acclaimed b-school though. I dont even know if they have a b-school

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    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    NC State is the only place worth looking at in North Carolina for me...

    Sigh, no one teaches entomology.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'll probably end up looking at it for grad school.

    Cornell and the California schools are about the best you can get though. I might also look at Georgia.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They do

    but it’s not as good as UNC or Duke there.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    go to AZ or UF

    nobody in the real world cares where your degree is from, actually. they do care how well one can socially interact with adult mammals…

    go somewhere warm with scantily clad coeds. and have fun!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That's pretty true for undergrad

    but definitely not true for grad school.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    grad school is for ninnies

    tis just an excuse to avoid the real world and the expectations that come with living life!

    can’t hide forever. tick. tick. tick.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    thats not very nice

    some people go to grad school because its the next step in their careers. Ive been at my job for 5 years, im definitely not trying to avoid the real world

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, same here.

    I went to grad school because it was a way to get the career I wanted. The humanities grad programs are where people hang out to avoid the real world.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    COMMON!

    You know it’s true!

    Well, to be serious: there are way, way too many humanities grad students and unfortunately no easy way to unwind the programs that produce so many.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yup

    and that means that when those jerks finally do finish, there are no jobs for them. that’s why i cut my philosophy degree short with just a masters. the PhD is not even close to worth it.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It's absurd that people can still

    act like it’s remotely ethical to allow so many of them into the programs.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no doubt

    and they are all such assholes. i once went to a grad school party where 3 of them discussed Cartesian dualism for 2 solid hours. and these places subsidize that shit!

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    careers are for ninnies

    people shouldn’t have careers nowadays. employers can’t even guarantee merit reviews will include pay increases that regularly exceed the rate of inflation.

    the smart folks are self-employed in service industries.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, economies based on service industries are thriving now

    just ask Spain and Greece

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    or the US?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you obviously know more than me

    but the US economy isn’t really BASED on those industries is it?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    First google hit gives some outdated data

    but apparently in 2006, manufacturing accounted for 12% of GDP, with the service sector over 80%. The post-WWII peak for manufacturing was 28% in 1953.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    dont support my argument

    blog ownership, and its lemmings, will flog you!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    perhaps you haven't noticed yet

    but obc is a well-entrenched troll.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, I've noticed

    I like baiting him

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that's cool and all

    just not in public here, mmk?

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    definitely something to strive for

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    In that case it sounds like the smart folk

    might be wasting their talents and interests in order to make a little more money. Doesn’t sound like fun to me.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    medicine is a service industry

    and its thriving.

    anyone work for a manufacturer here?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'd bet the overwhelming majority of people on this site

    are students or white-collar workers. Nobody else has time to goof off this much or be so idealistic.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Yep

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Oh, okay.

    I know someone at the UNC B school but not at Duke. I steered well clear of that part of the school when I was there.

    I stick to the kind of economics that doesn’t involve making money.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that supplements your non-ownership game plan!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You guys are totally messing up my argument here.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No. We all hate Duke.

    Everyone who is not a Duke fan hates them. They’re kind of like the Yankees.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They also won with Lance Thomas.

    I’m not taking anything. He was just as important as Scheyer and Singler.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Zoubek isn't shitty.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    zoubek isn't shitty

    but scheyer and singler are.

    definitely a good argument

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    mushrooms are shitty

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I was in the dark about this.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Zoubek is a decent big man.

    Scheyer and Singler are shitty guards.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    with rings!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Crappy rings.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Also, against an equally shitty-white-guy

    Butler?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    one game is a season?

    you’re too busy trying to argue that you don’t even read what is written

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No I read it.

    My point was: that was shitty tournament they played in.

    The 2010 team couldn’t hold the 2001 team’s jock.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And the Grand Canyon's just a hole.

    Holes, like wins, are greater than others.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    holes are overrated

    as jch often states, a mouth is a mouth

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no they aren't

    the 96 UK team was better than the 98 UK team, but their championships count equally

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    OSU fans should not be able to discuss championship memories and merit!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Says the guy who knows nothing

    of championship titles.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    1994 Ohio 78, OHIO STATE 67

    on the way to a championship, mind you. poor bucknuts didnt even make the final four on that one.

    one and done’d

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What tournament was this?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i thought you were a buckeye fan?!?

    this occurred during your lifetime and was televised!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    OU lost to Indiana in the NCAA tourney

    in 1994.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    wrong tourney, same year

    keep googling!!!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Then what are you talking about
    poor bucknuts didnt even make the final four on that one.
    one and done’d

    No one gives a shit about tourneys unless it’s the NCAA. Yes, OU won the last match-up.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no one cares about tourneys unless it's the ncaa

    just like the rose bowl when it doesn’t determine the national champion!

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that's not true

    it was fun to win a championship!

    didnt you enjoy the SEC title last season?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    best game of the year

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i wasn't agreeing with him

    i was just using his point to make another point about tOSU

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    True. Or the Sugar or Orange or Fiesta, etc.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes and the 98 NCAA

    tourney was a better, tougher tournament than the 2010 tourney. UK’s 1998 title is a more impressive title.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Cherokee Parks, Greg Montross, and the guy from Kansas would like a word with you

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Ostertag!

    Don’t forget about Bryant Reeves…Big Country made a final four AND shattered a backboard with his fat ass.

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    From where? Europe.

    Good in college does not make one GOOD.

    Also, who the hell is GREG Montross?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nope. Harangody. The dude did NOTHING in college.

    At least the other guys he named were on some decent teams.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ever notice UL doesnt have overrated white guys?

    Felton Spencer was pretty close!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    HAH!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, you did. That guy would have been terrible.

    That’s okay, Harangody will be worse.

    Stupid ass Celtics.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Ostertag's uncle was my HS history teacher

    Dude knew nothing about basketball. I mean, nothing. He claimed he hadn’t heard of Magic Johnson until he announced he had HIV.

    by ken on Aug 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    HAHAHAHA!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    harangody made the NIT Final Four!

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes he did. Only the NIT final four is lower cased.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    /UK2K10'd

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Everyone says Calipari's teams can't win a championship with just youngsters!

    i hope they can prove the veteran presence requirement wrong, but so far they haven’t!

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I did not see this comment before being a smartass

    (hangs head)

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    tis ok

    you’re still in TC mode, eh?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    how much VP is enough though?

    1990 Reds had 3 players over 30 on the post-season roster. They did alright.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

    hmmmm

    /daugherty’d

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This actually brings up a good point

    At what point does a player become ‘veteran’? Is Joey Votto a veteran yet after 3 years? Brandon Phillips is on his 5th year. Is he a veteran? Or do you have to have played forever, like Rolen, Cabrera, and Cairo?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They'll call him a veteran when he does something good

    And they’ll call him a “young player” when he makes a mistake. That’s what makes Cincinnati broadcasting the best there is!

    by Brian B on Aug 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

    That's my issue with "veteran"

    There are guys that have played a long time that have never been to the playoffs. As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather have a dude that made the WS his rookie year than a dude that’s been playing postseasonless ball for 13 seasons.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Why?

    I don’t understand what a guy gains by being around a team that’s in a playoff game…that he wouldn’t get from being on regular season teams for a decade.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    THIS

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    THAT

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    THE OTHER

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Eggs Zackary

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That was my point, Gray.

    I was being sarcastic and failed miserably.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Oh, I should have assumed sarcasm

    but plenty of people make that same argument seriously, and IDGI.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    oh, I wouldn't argue against that

    there is a lot about that team that worked mainly because they had been playing together so long.

    However, when people talk about VPness, they are talking about a player who has “been there before” and has age and wisdom. If we’re talking about Nix vs. Stubbs and keeping Nix because of his VPness, it’s based solely on age.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Which, I think, is stupid.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    age doesn't matter

    laynce nix shouldn’t be considered to provide “veteran presence”

    by 'tHan on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Also, I think VPness is only valid if the player was ever good

    another strike against Nix

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he blows madville

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This is true.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I can agree with that

    What I’d really like to see is if Chris Heisey sucks. Be nice to know that before the playoffs.

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yup

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Winnar!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Love the idea

    Heisey should be the everyday CF

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    gomes

    i agree, the defense makes the difference. gomes is a better option off the bench than stubbs, and we need bruce to get going for the stretch.

    that said i would love to heisey get some starts at all three outfield spots

    Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand

    by saboscork on Aug 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

    Web Gems Leaderboard

    from espn.com:

    Player Points
    Brandon Phillips, CIN 41
    Troy Tulowitzki, COL 28
    Evan Longoria, TB 28
    Martin Prado, ATL 22
    Three tied 20

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

    For whatever that is ... that's a big lead for BP.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

    What are you guys talking about?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The weather

    I think Web Gems is something Espn does. But no one watches them, so who knows.

    by Brian B on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    wow that's close... NOT

    In this day and age, Web Gems are what win gold gloves. phillips will probably win about 6 or 7 in a row

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He's got a great chance this year, with O-Dawg in the AL and Utley hurt

    Plus he’s only got 2 errors so far.

    Also, it’s good to see “not” making a comeback!

    by ken on Aug 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Really? Just 2? Wow...I'd expect 8 or 9, even from a HOF'er.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    surely coco can't be available to pitch tonight, right?

    "Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.

    by joshuar9476 on Aug 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

    What could go wrong?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

    CANTU!!

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Wood will go 8

    and Rhodes will get the save.

    I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

    by justin007000 on Aug 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    We better be able to beat the Pirates by more than 3

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    aroldis chapman

    is on the way according to redleg nation

    by vottomatic on Aug 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

    Just Aroldis and Julio

    down by the schoolyard!

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    how are they making room for him?

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he's not imminently on the way

    RN just linked to an article where Walt said he’s getting close to being ready and they might call him up within a week or two.

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    so

    They might not actually call him up until rosters expand. Unless the pen implodes.

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    idk how they'll make room

    but the site quotes jocketty saying he’s close to getting a call up to the major leagues

    by vottomatic on Aug 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That blog is

    way better than RR. They write about wiffleball, titanic struggles and obviously they got an interview directly with Walt Jocketty about Aroldis Chapman.

    by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Aug 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    but has anyone over there written a book?

    conquered a burger challenge?
    seen lots of soccer games in person?
    been on jeopardy?
    attended THE ohio, errr, Ohio A&M?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The last one just seems likely, statistically speaking.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Been to Cuba?

    met Glenn Braggs and Eric Davis?
    Gotten into a fight with South Milwaukeeans?
    Posted inappropriate pictures of female athletes during games?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    get drunk and invade other blogs?

    offended fan bases from at least 12 other teams?
    post pictures from members’ facebook accounts?
    post a picture of jenna bush’s bush?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Twelve?

    Indians, Cardinals, Cubs? Throw in the Braves and the Brewers for funsies? We could also count the Reds if you didn’t say “other teams”

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    dodgers and astros for sure

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I believe he was counting the Cubs seven times.

    Because we piss them off seven times more than any other team.

    by Geki on Aug 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i forgot been to Reds fantasy camp?

    eaten at Porcini’s?

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hung out at a Hollywood party with Eric Davis?

    Sat in the Yankees dugout?
    Taken batting practice on a MLB field?
    Read a blind man’s description of a ballgame?

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Argued about smoking at the stadium?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Or the existence of God?

    or the existence of Tim Tebow’s soul?
    Or the relative merits of trains?
    Or Dickerson/Stubbs?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Tweeted with Fay?

    Watched someon try to flag down a cop car rather than a cab?
    Write the pilot for The Man Show?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    FTFY

    Edited the pilot for The Man Show?

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Is that what you did? Ah, sorry. I thought you wrote it.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, but do they have Madville?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    true

    it’d be nice if we had anyone that would take initiative on helping to promote Reds books.

    Red Reporter or follow on Twitter: @redreporter. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!

    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Buy Slyde's book!

    There you go.

    RR Book Club is an off season feature, right?

    by Brian B on Aug 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Promoting the book is overrated!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Only if there's interest

    [runs away from room crying]

    by ken on Aug 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    should start with the Doug Glanville book

    its the baseball book of the year!!!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ivy leaguer'd

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    theres a book about that?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I once called in under a pseudonym just to get on the air

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    adam from milwaukee?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Frank Stallone!

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    HAH!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    TO jerseys now on sale at the Bengals gift shop!!!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

    And they are going fast...60% of the black Jersey already sold...

    BTW – Nix is a bench player/PH not to be confused with Stubbs or Heisey.

    Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
    BuubaFan...

    by Madville on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nix is AAA player not to be conufused with a MLB player

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

    AAA? I'm thinking AAAA just to be nice to him.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Uhhh

    Lineup from @CincinnatiReds Twitter

    Phillips 4
    Cabrera 6
    Cairo 3
    Rolen 5
    Gomes 7
    Bruce 9
    Heisey 8
    Hanigan 2
    Wood LHP

    Cairo…Batting 3rd? Really?

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

    OCAAB

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hitting 2nd, life is good!

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    wow

    Cairo has been great, but really?

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    upon reflection

    no one else in the lineup, except for possibly Heisey, deserves to bat in the 3…

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    If those 9 are playing

    Go

    Heisey
    Cabrera
    Phillips
    Rolen
    Bruce
    Gomes
    Cairo
    Hanigan
    Wood

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No ORCA near the top.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    uhhh

    Rolen? why not just slot Cairo in at 6 or 7 and move everyone up?

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    really?

    You think batting 3rd is such that it is better to give it to a guy that would be batting 7th if he was playing 3rd base, but since he’s playing first, just bat him 3rd?

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    first basemen bat third

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    IF they have VR

    VR/3 rules

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    gotta co-credit HLM on that one

    one of the best in-person stories ever told. plus, he bought all the beer the night VR3 was constructed.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    no

    i was talking about your heightened dickishness. i think we are witnessing history here today!

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nicely done, sir.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I can't help it I know Eric Young's cousin

    Sometimes knocks on your door, sits in your living room, and knows The Dusty

    by Highlifeman21 on Aug 3, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I just hope Jo-Eh is ok

    he’s not really due for another day off so soon

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    same here

    I could see if it was a lefty. Joey didn’t look too good at the plate yesterday, but it was Tommy Hanson, he can do that.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that would give him some personality

    all of the guys with personality get arrested while drunk

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    by Slyde on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This is true.

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes we do!

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 2, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Leave me out of this

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Especially against a right-hander

    who I’m sure Dusty knows Votto has hit well in 7 ABs… Either it’s an overreaction to Votto K-ing in 5 of his last 10.. or he’s hurt.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 2, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he might just be getting a day off

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Could be

    But he had an off day on the 22nd.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It is sorta by The Book though isn't it?

    I seem to remember the lineup tool spitting out optimum lineups with Janish in the 3-spot.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hahaha

    it’s hilarious to think of Dusty’s reaction if he ever happened to come across a lineup optimizer. He’d dismiss it outright.

    by kcgard2 on Aug 2, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    first basemen bat third

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wait, against a right handed pitcher

    only one lefty starts and he bats sixth? Huh?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    whoa

    Second game in a row with no Stubbs?

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Aug 2, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    *shudder

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Holy crap

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Top Party Schools

    No surprises here

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

    they gotta be good at something!

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And in related news, Brigham Young once again tops the other list...

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    fewest mustaches?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    is that the new PC term for minorities?

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not true!

    Oral Roberts and Liberty would burn down first!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    But Oral Roberts has "Oral" in its name.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, but the dude didn't have much of a mouth.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    bringin' 'em young?

    "Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

    by GrooveLeg on Aug 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That's because it's hard to get ants drunk.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not true

    Ants, wasps, moths- get them some beer and you can enjoy a bit of a show.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    True. But that's just sadistic.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They also die for body shots. :)

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    so is that your idea of fun?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Only if I'm really really bored.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I prefer to burn them.

    /pyro’d

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Others say in ice.

    This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

    by andromache on Aug 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    is it true that ants always tip over to one side when drunk?

    I can’t remember which side, I wanna say left.

    "so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

    by jch24 on Aug 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Never heard that.

    I know they get a little lethargic at least.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Fya Tweet
    Votto “tweaked” his wrist yesterday on a swing. “I don’t think it’s serious. Hopefully, I’ll be back in soon.”

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

    Season. Over.

    Good run, boys.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well, this isn't good

    see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

    by nycredsfan on Aug 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Here's to hoping we get Super Cairo again...

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Is there any way they bring him up?

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    probably only if he has to go on the DL.

    I imagine they will wait it out atleast a few days.

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    we're playing the pirates and cubs

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Exactly.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he never had a shot at RBIs anyway

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Which brings up the question

    where do babbies come from?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    From daddies who drink!

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes

    because jokes about the plural form of RBI never get old

    by Daedalus on Aug 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That was my other thought.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Maybe he can hit a pinch-hit homer?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    PH grand slam, please.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Aug 2, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, I'm just pointing out that it's not doom and gloom.

    He could very well be a PH possibility tonight.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Or he could actually be dead!

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Aug 2, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well, shit.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    rec'd

    "Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

    by PeteyHendrix on Aug 2, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    If it was real bad

    they would of pulled him in game, right?

    by MixFMKyle on Aug 2, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yeah

    this aint no thang but a (tweaked) chicken wang

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wrist injury?

    Kiss of Death. The End is Nigh! Repent your sins! Apocalypse Now ©.

    by RedsMasochist on Aug 2, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Renters moved in next door today!

    i’m going to reserve judgment. at this point things don’t look terribly optimistic.

    "Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

    by obc2 on Aug 2, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

    He doesn't film himself having sex?

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't know. I was just trying to give Gray a reason why you couldn't do it simultaneously.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't.

    I only use your free trials. I’m cheap.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I see Popeye with hair.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Good god, man. That's a rec.

    Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
    -Lee Elia on Cubs fans

    by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    um, i just made an oopsie

    i tried to delete a comment high up to open up one of the conversations that was running into the right side, but it deleted everything below it. so, like more than 100 comments.

    sorry?

    Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

    by boobs on Aug 2, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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