Scott Rolen vs. The World. Reds win, 7-2.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 13, 2010 11:38 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Scott Rolen. It was a big night for the offense as five out of the top six batters in the lineup had multiple hits (Jim Edmonds went ofer). Rolen gets the nod because he had three hits (2 doubles and 2 RBI) and because I just got back from watching Scott Pilgrim. Honorable mentions go to Mike Stanton, Jay Bruce, and Laynce Nix, who reached base four times.
Key Plays
- A game after facing the pitcher with the second lowest ERA in the league, the Reds faced the league leader. It's safe to say they fared significantly better against the top dog. Brandon Phillips got the boys off to a flying start with an infield single and moved to third on Laynce Nix's single. Joey Votto and Scott Rolen both singled, scoring Phillips and Nix. Jim Edmonds made the first out, flying out to right, before Jay Bruce hit another single. Votto scored, but Rolen was thrown out at third base. Reds lead, 3-0.
- The Reds used productive outs in the third inning to expand their lead. Scott Rolen doubled to lead off, and moved to third base (safely, this time) on Jim Edmonds grounder. Jay Bruce hit a grounder to shortstop that allowed Rolen to score. Reds lead, 4-0.
- Edinson Volquez ran into a spot of bother in the fourth inning. Dan Uggla singled to lead off, and one out later, Mike Stanton doubled to left field. Uggla tried to go home, but was thrown out at the plate. Yeah! Volquez then hit Wes Helms with a pitch and walked the Jersey Shore soundalike Ronny Paulino to load the bases before Josh Johnson grounded out.
- Volquez showed Johnson how a pitcher is supposed to bat in the bottom of the inning by beating out an infield hit. After being erased on a fielder's choice by Brandon Phillips, Laynce Nix singled. Joey Votto singled, allowing Phillips to score, but Nix - like Rolen before him - was thrown out at third. A shame too, because Scott Rolen then hit a double that would have scored two runs, instead of just Votto. It was enough to chase Josh Johnson from the game, though, after only 3.2 innings. Reds lead, 6-0.
- Jay Bruce homered to center field off of Taylor Tankersley to lead off the fifth inning. Reds lead, 7-0.
- Mike Stanton then homered off of Edinson Volquez in the sixth. Reds lead, 7-1.
- Stanton homered again in the eighth inning, this time off Logan Ondrusek. Reds win, 7-2.
Other Notes
- Jay Bruce's homer was his first since June 30. Watching the video replay on espn.com, the highlights announcer says, "See a doctor and get rid of it!" I don't know about you, but that sounds an awful lot like he's talking about an abortion to me.
- Josh Johnson's ERA jumped 0.30 points, so now Adam Wainwright has the lowest ERA in the league. Happy now, fuckers? Johnson actually fell to third place, as Tim Hudson also has a lower ERA.
- Johnson gave up six runs, the most he's allowed since April 18, 2009. The Reds had only scored three runs combined against him the last three times they'd faced him.
- Because of intense rains in Washington, DC yesterday, the Marlins game against the Nationals was delayed two hours, and then took another 3 1/2 hours to play. As a consequence, the Marlins didn't reach their hotel in Cincinnati until 4:00 AM, which might explain why Johnson wasn't so sharp. Still, I like to believe that it's a sign that the Reds offense can handle top flight pitching when they aren't pressing.
- Jim Edmonds still does not have a hit as a Red. Saboteur?
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Good to get a nice, easy win after the Cards series
And the next 2 days the Marlins pitchers are very hittable.
Common the sweep!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
fuck Edmonds
LaRusa probably talked him into tanking. he cant tank all the much out in the outfield, but Stubbs definitely could have gotten to that late triple by the fishies.
The Reds won
Stop bitching.
THIS GOES FOR ALL OF YOU. SHUT THE LIVING GODDAMNED HELL UP. I DON’T CARE WHAT THE CARDINALS DID. YOU KNOW WHY? THE REDS HAVE THE EASIEST (I’D LOVE TO EMPHASIZE THIS, BUT I’M ALREADY IN CAPS) SCHEDULE IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
WE WILL WIN THIS DIVISION. MARK MY FUCKING WORDS.
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
by jch24 on Aug 14, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but, you did emphasize "will"
if we’re gonna win this thing, jch, we gotta stomp them when they’re down.
don’t be afraid to whip out the italic bold all caps.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Aug 14, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
someone's observant and got the joke :)
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
I sorta agree with Heeringa
Fuck Edmonds.
by Brian B on Aug 14, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he wears a Cincinnati uniform, so I'm going to root for him
a home run from Edmonds counts every bit as much as a home run from Joey Votto.
I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.
by justin007000 on Aug 14, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If Benedict Arnold was wearing a Cincinnati uniform would you root for him?
That’s the situation at hand, sir.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Like how to sell out your team for money and steroids?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
how to take bad routes and flop all around the OF gracelessly to make your catches look more difficult?
If Edmonds can teach Bruce how to hit, that would be fine, though.
if it wasn't for Jim Edmonds, Jay Bruce wouldn't have hit a home run last night
argue that!
I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.
by justin007000 on Aug 14, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in the Triple Crown race!!!!!!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
wanna make a bet about us winning the division?
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 14, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say that Calvin and Hobbes could use a Peach tat to keep em company!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Any day
30 day avatar bet?
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
you're on
but the avatars are so small….
do we have another option?
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sig line? Humiliating picture?
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
Sig line's definitely a step up from small avatar
And you have me intrigued by humiliating picture. go on….
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 16, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If you post this again, I will track you down and slap you across the face in an effiminate way while yelling, "Oh, stop!"
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
by jch24 on Aug 14, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And here I thought you'd do something out of the ordinary.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
i just didn't think
that anyone clicked on it in the other thread, so i wanted to make sure at least a few people saw it.
I was just giving you a hard time, old chap
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
The Reds are Hitler's favorite team?
Maybe that’s what Marge was talking about
not that funny ... the one from a few years back was great however
"Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in Cincinnati, we go first to third baby!"-Brandon Phillips.
glad to see the red's bats on target again against a premier pitcher.
looking forward tomorrow will be there!
He looks kind of old...
And I didn’t expect glasses… or the polo.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Aug 14, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup, pretty sure that's him
from a GIS:
Also, the kid is in good company:
Third, from Better Off Red, who the hell is this guy?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Is your last question a serious one?
That’s definitely Jonny Gomes, but maybe I don’t get the joke.
by the finest muffins on Aug 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
I didn’tk now he had a goatee, I haven’t watched a game in months. And I guess because his cheeks are sucked in, his facial structure is completely different. My bad.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 14, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I like both Grandal and Mesoraco
who you say is our franchise catcher?
by vottosmash! on Aug 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta give the edge to Meso, and not just because Grandal isn't actually in the org yet
They are about the same age, but Meso has put up a POY type season and has reached AA. Plus, his defense is very good and pretty polished.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was just who you say is our franchise catcher
waste of 1s and 0s from nycredsfan and BK for actually elaborating a why
You want a good argument? Mesoraco’s Fool’s Gold who’s going to get exposed at AAA, following the similar path of Robert Stubbs.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if that's your view on it, you can't argue that Grandal is better
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Aug 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm optimistic about Grandal
Mesoraco, not so much
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it IS my view on it!
and my argument is that Grandal fits my “franchise catcher” mold moreso than Groundhog Devin.
Mesoraco’s basically a catching Robert Stubbs, all defense, no projectable offense at higher levels.
Grandal will be better is my argument
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What has Grandal done?
I’m not saying i don’t like the guy, but he’ll probably go to AA, where Mesoraco has already mashed. Meso is ahead developmentally, period. How is a .993 OPS and 23 homers not “projectable offense”? If Grandal goes to Carolina next year and comes even close to those numbers, then he gets to be the catcher. What have you seen from Grandal to make you think that he’s better than a top 5 catching prospect in all of baseball?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Aug 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Grandal put up better college numbers, duh
(and I say this without actually having this knowledge)
Mesoraco hasn’t done anything til he’s done it at AAA is my argument, and I’m sticking to it.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Fine, but you can't say that he won't, just that he hasn't
Also, they’re the same age, but one has already played professional baseball for 3 years and one hasn’t. I think you’re overlooking that fact just a bit.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
Grandal went to a better baseball school in college
Can’t discount that either
but, I look at it as Mesoraco needed to play the last 3 years professionally just to get to who Grandal is now! Ha!
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize Mesoraco didn't go to college right?
His last 3 years have run parallel to Grandal’s 3 college years.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I do realize that
Mesoraco was a HS position player drafted in the 1st Round. Makes me wonder/question WHY he didn’t go to college. Clearly playing minor league ball hasn’t really done that much for him, and I think playing college ball would have been better for him to legitimately develop, rather than turning into this Fool’s Gold (I may nickname him this).
Miami is a MLB factory, which makes me very optimistic of both Alonso & Grandal.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Where you're going wrong is by assuming that Grandal playing no AA or AAA is better than Meso playing AA but not AAA
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
i'm going to have to say the score of the logic game right is
BK-1
Highlifeman-0
I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.
by justin007000 on Aug 15, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
or I'm saying I hope we see Grandal at AA next year and Mesoraco in AAA so we can get a better idea
Although what Grandal does at AA is worthless, and I won’t care about him until he gets to AAA, much like I refuse to get excited about Mesoraco until he puts up his A or AA numbers in AAA.
And I go wrong plenty of places!
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright
If you’re going to continue to not be excited about Meso, that’s fine, but then don’t act like Grandal is better than him until he proves it. And I think we will see that configuration as early as within the next few weeks.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Aug 15, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's probably just the buzz around each respective player when we drafted them
Even though Grandal might not have been the consensus pick this year, at least there was considerable buzz
When we drafted Mesoraco, it was more of a “Who?” reaction
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the difference between a high schooler and a college player
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Aug 15, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Fool's gold based on what? There is absolutely nothing in any of his numbers to indicate he's not legit
Oh, right, I forgot that you’re a scout and have seen him play dozens of times.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
2 things:
1) I base most of my arguments on numbers and trends I see in them
2) I read a fair few scouting reports from scouts talking about our guys
if I actually did see them play a lot I wouldn’t know what I was seeing anyway
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
eh. i think it's impossible to truly know how minor league talent is doing or how they project to the majors
we’ve had way too many hyped prospects not live up to their potential.
just looking at stats is a bad move because the level of talent that minor leaguers play against is wildly inconsistent.
also, reading scouting reports from scouts can be bad because scouts have their own agendas.
So I guess we should all just form uninformed opinions based on personal preference?
Now this is sounding like a typical internet blog!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I don't get it, please inform me on your meaning.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I think we can say that if a guy is struggling in the minors, or he he only has success at AA and not AAA, chances are he won't project to do well in the majors
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't had a chance in AAA
Not playing in AAA isn’t the same as not having success in AAA. Good lord.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
so we have better talent blocking Mesoraco in AAA?
is that your argument? Good lord indeed.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
We absolutely don't
But that’s not Devin’s fault, that’s the organization’s. My argument is that he hasn’t been given a chance to play there, not that he’s being blocked by anybody.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
so let's bring this full circle back to me not liking the direction of this organization
why block better talent? I don’t care if a guy is 18 or 40, I want the best talent on our 25 man roster, period. When I look at our AAA roster, I want the next best 25 there, period.
Let’s give Mesoraco a chance at AAA, and then we’ll talk! Over BBQ!
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And regardless, that's not the point
The point is highlife makes statements like he’s some sort of authority that are not based on any sort of reality.
I just figured he might be some sort of expert scout with inside info and we just don’t know it.
/pronto’d and keithlaw’d
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
highlifeman knows beer and knows burgers
and polenta.
not sure about ballplayers, but he helped develop VR/3. huge plus in my book.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
and I know prime rib is not fennel
and I’d like to think I know BBQ
and I know about wine
and mac & cheese
and I do know about VR/3, but I’m still working on understanding xFLIP.
as for ballplayers, I typically like the guys that don’t pan out, lose sleep over guys we should have kept, and get pissed off when we let talent waste on our roster when it doesn’t fit into our plans
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I've 'splained myself in this thread
Now if you have some issue with the explanation, then we can discuss that aspect of this topic.
’tHan brought up a great point that plenty of our prospects fizzle and bust, so pardon me for not getting excited about a guy who we drafted as a catcher in the 1st round in a weak overall draft in terms of available talent.
And someone please tell me how I’ve been wrong about Robert Stubbs offensively (and defensively, for that matter, although I think he’s just had a couple more bad plays than we’ve expected from him). I want to be WRONG about Robert Stubbs more than anything, b/c since Josh Hamilton this team hasn’t had a legit CF (that’s right Dickerson, I gave up on you too b/c your ass couldn’t stay healthy). And now The Dusty doesn’t want to play Heisey (which I don’t get).
The statements I’ve made about Mesoraco is that I think Grandal will be better than him, and thus should be our “franchise” catcher, and I think Mesoraco’s really done nothing of merit b/c he’s only at AA. Talk to me if and when he puts up similar numbers in AAA.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying you're wrong about Stubbs
But it is definitely too early to tell. We know that he’s still developing and making adjustments, and it’s just plain too early to say lump him into a “you know what you have” with him. Bruce and Heisey, too. The sample size you use to say that he sucks is the same sample size that shows he’s a great prospect, but you choose to buy into one over the other.
Oh yeah, and I had to laugh at this:
…so pardon me for not getting excited about a guy who we drafted as a catcher in the 1st round in a weak overall draft in terms of available talent.
So why the hell are you excited about Grandal?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
Fool's Gold based on him not doing much before AA
and now he’s putting up some numbers at AA.
We saw this with Roberts Stubbs. Was great at one level, got to AAA, sucked something awful, then continues to suck something awful at the MLB level.
AA numbers mean dick to me. AAA mean slightly more to me, but MLB numbers mean the most to me. There’s nothing that tells me Mesoraco’s AA numbers translate to MLB success.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
But there's something to tell you that Grandal's will?
Sure, argue that there’s nothing there to translate into MLB success, but there’s nothing that tells me they won’t either. He could be Chris Heisey for all we know. But we don’t know, so for you to already say that he won’t be is completely ridiculous. How about just rooting for the guy to make it since he plays for your favorite team?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Aug 15, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I do that for Robert Stubbs
how’s that workin’ out for me?
I root for Mesoraco, but I’m already cool with him fizzling. I root for Jay Bruce, but I’m not cool with him fizzling.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen Robert Stubbs play live at least 2 times
and I’ve seen him on TV at least 10 times, so there’s your dozen. Of those dozen times, he’s actually done well, but I know that I can’t draw shit from those 12 viewings since offensively he’s fucking awful. No, I’m not a scout, but I’m also not fooled by awful guys who have a few good games here and there.
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your expectations are a bit out of line for a rookie outfielder
He’s a rookie facing major league pitching for the first time. He’s going to strike out, he’s going to look lost at times, because the pitching he’s facing is better than anything he’s faced before. It’s a matter of him making those adjustments at this point to become a productive major leaguer, and we can’t tell that in a half season. Your assertion that a player needs to win a ROY award to be a productive major league baseball player is a ridiculous one.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
Did I actually say a player needs to win a ROY to be a productive MLB player?
I mean I could see me saying that while drunk.
Robert has contact issues, and I’m curious as to what he’s doing to correct those issues.
He didn’t do anything at AAA, so led me to believe he’d be a good MLB player?
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This thread is full of good arguments!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no it's not!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I am intrigued by this man's ideas, and would like to subscribe to his newsletter
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
john wall is going to be a bust
too high a turnover/assist ratio and he doesn’t have a consistent jump shot.
antonio daniels all over again!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I feel quite confident that Wall will be a bust, solely because he is joining the Wizards
I know nothing about basketball, but I know the Wizards are terrible.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 15, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
"Jim Edmonds still does not have a hit as a Red. Saboteur?"
You know how the Reds think – he’ll go 10 for his next 13 to average it out.
Hmm
“Jay Bruce’s homer was his first since June 30. Watching the video replay on espn.com, the highlights announcer says, “See a doctor and get rid of it!” I don’t know about you, but that sounds an awful lot like he’s talking about an abortion to me."
Does he have a receipt?
really nice to see a win
against someone like Johnson. Bruce was great, Votto, as usual, took care of business, and Rolen did something. I’ve been sort of frustrated with Rolen lately because his production has been so terrible when we needed it so much.
As for Edmonds, I don’t like him. I know he will stop slumping and eventually help out, but I think it was a useless move. Dickerson would be preferable.
Sorry to start this again, but this made me feel a bit ill
Did anyone read Carepnter’s comments?
"Dusty had something to say, I had something to say, and the next thing you know all hell broke loose," Carpenter said "I come home and try to explain to my son ‘Why is Scott Rolen attacking me? Why is everybody pushing you into the net?’"
Are we supposed to feel sorry for him because of that? If he expects people to, then he is more out of his mind than I thought. He’s also still going after Cueto. I don’t know why because Cueto was the only player suspended—it’s been taken care of. I want to forget about all that stuff, but Fay keeps making me angry again by posting those quotes!
carpenter's son is confused
Doesn’t he know Rolen was rushing to HELP him? That mad look on his face was just concern for Chris’ well-being.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Aug 14, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
on the side note
Scott Pilgrim was the shit
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Aug 14, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions
Rotation Guess
I have no idea if this. Is going to happen, but after looking at the schedule here would be my guess of the rotation for the next several games:
Saturday- Leake
Sunday- Bailey (Leake sent to minors for 10 days)
Tuesday- Arroyo
Wednesday- Volquez
Thursday- Wood (10 days up… someone sent down or DL)
Friday- Bailey
Saturday- Cueto (first game eligible to be back)
Sunday- Arroyo
by Indy. on Aug 14, 2010 7:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't send Leake down
and move him to the pen to save an option. I bet he starts tonight and Thursday, but that’s about it.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
Need a roster spot for Homer
… Plus they don’t loose an option by sending him down. His AAA options are based on MLB service time not the number of times he his sent down/called up
by Indy. on Aug 14, 2010 7:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they do lose an option by sending him down
If you are on the 40-man roster and in the minors, you have burned an option for that year. With two weeks until rosters expand, I seriously doubt the reds will burn an option on Leake at this point. I suspect they’ll send Francisco down for Bailey.
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by Slyde on Aug 14, 2010 7:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
probably not Francisco
with 6 outfielders, i’d say they’d probably send one them down. Heisey has already burned his option so it’s probably gonna be him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
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by Slyde on Aug 14, 2010 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If someone is on the 15-Day DL August 31
would they be eligible for the post season, or do you have to be on the active 25 man?
We discussed this earlier
Slyde said guys on the DL are eligible. So you’d think a team would be smart to stash as many guys on the DL as possible. As long as you didn’t actually need them right now.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, they do, you know, have to be injured to be in the DL
and I don’t “say” that. The rulebook says that.
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just trying to give you due credit for the info
And common, you know “phantom injuries” happen. The only thing to prevent it is that the player can grieve it with the union if he feels he doesn’t belong on the DL. Only the big stars would even think of doing that. The average player just wants to be on the roster.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Sure, but the thing is
they’d have to bring the man on the 25-man roster and then DL him. Maybe you do that with one or two guys, but it’s not like you can stash 5 guys on the DL. Eventually it’s counter-productive.
Also, in 1990, Ken Griffey Sr. was released because he refused to go on the DL with a fake injury. He actually was going to retire first, but then learned that he wouldn’t ever become a free agent, so he asked the Reds to release him so he could go play with his son on a losing team in Seattle. Some guys may want to just be on the roster, but most guys just want to play.
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I don't think they'd bring anyone on the roster to DL him
And you won’t do it to anyone you actually need immediately.
But if you have some players on the DL, maybe you don’t rush them back. Maybe you let them play a few more rehab games.
The phantom injuries are used with the role-player guys, not the stars. Andyfan was put in the DL with a supposed oblique strain in mid-August 2006, that was widely viewed as a phantom injury. I’m sure he’d rather have played, but a stint on the DL was better than being DFA’d.
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I think it's going to be Heisey, too
They seem to have fallen out of love with him a bit.
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Options
Okay, so I stand correctd on Leake’s options.
However, if they are going to recall Wood when he is eligible (on Thursday), they are going to need to make 2 roster moves (one for Bailey and one for Wood). I still think that they would send down a starting pitcher (Leake) before an extra bat (Heisey). Heisey could be the odd man out on Thursday when Wood is recalled.
For a guy that skipped the minors, are Reds really concerned about his remaining options? With Harang and Arroyo’s contracts, shouldn’t they plan on him not being in the minors for the remainder of his career?
It's all about leaving options (no pun intended) open
you never know what the future holds. For instance, the Mariners wasted an option on Wladimir Balentien by putting him on the 40-man before they had to. Then last season, when they really would have liked to have stashed him in the minors, the lost him to the Reds. He may never turn into a real big league player, but with 2 weeks left before rosters expand, they’ll try to muddle by as best they can without wasting options, if they can.
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you think the Reds would go two weeks with only 1 back up infielder?
I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.
by justin007000 on Aug 14, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Hit Tracker
still doesn’t have Jay Bruce’s home run up. And they have Mike Stanton on the wrong team.
Interesting that while Votto leads the Reds in home runs, the guy who leads the team in “no doubters” – the really deep blasts – is one Jay Bruce. Bruce is second in the NL in no doubters (Adam Dunn is first).
And Jay’s only 23. Probably five years from his peak power.
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But I thought Bruce sucked?
I really hope the kid starts mashing; I’m sick of people calling for his head.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
He definitely had a bad run there.
To use some arbitrary endpoints, he hit .179/.210/.221 in 100 PAs (27 games) from July 6 to August 7. That wasn’t so great.
But he has six hits (including a double and a HR) and three walks in the past four games! Which, yes, is a tiny sample size, but I’d like to think that he’s turned some sort of corner.
It’s also hard to believe that a guy with Bruce’s power hadn’t hit a HR since June 30. I mean, even after last night, he’s still only hitting .213/.268/.291 since then. Ouch.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
especially when you consider
that weak-wristed Paul Janish has homered twice in that time. In very limited playing time.
I think Bruce will okay, though. It’s often this way with young players. They look great at first, the league adjusts to them, and they have to adjust in turn.
What really surprises me is that Votto hasn’t gone into this kind of slump. The league doesn’t seem to be able to adjust to him, at least so far.
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Ouch indeed
I knew it was bad, but didn’t know it was that bad.
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
yeah, he had a real bad go of it there for over a month
but from April through June 30, his slash was a very nice .281/.355/.473. from July 1 to Aug 7, in 122 PAs, his OPS was .466. a terrible month can do a lot to erase a good season from our collective memories.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It really does seem like he started to get frustrated
which I can totally get.
He’s looked a lot more comfortable the past couple of games. Which, sure, may just be because he’s gotten some hits, but I’d like to think that there’s something different about his attitude or approach.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
God, me too
i want more than anything to see him succeed. and he will, but i want it to happen right now so his stretch run to the pennant becomes stuff of legends. i want to look back on this season and say, “Votto was the MVP and all those young pitchers did so well, but i’ll always remember how Jay Bruce awoke from the dead and hit like Babe Ruth never did to lift this team to the playoffs. that statue right there son, the on with his left arm stretched out over his head before he takes his swing, that’s him.”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
"and here's the statue of Johnny Cueto kicking Jason LaRue in the fucking eyeball"
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 14, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
for the sake of argument:
what about sending Bruce down for the two weeks of Bailey?
Not only will he “work on his swing” or some such bullshit, but it may be enough to help him avoid Super-2 status.
It would be incredibly juvenile and I’d expect Bruce to get upset over the dickishness of the front office…but it would save a few million and may help the Jaybird long term.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 14, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
he has to be off the roster for 20 days
before it affects his super-2 status. so no dice.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
so don't call him up until the 5th or whatever?
I don’t know why I’m arguing this.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Aug 14, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
he has to be on the 25-man
to play in the post-season.
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I mean
he has to be the 25-man on Aug. 31.
Besides, I don’t think we have anyone who’s any better than Bruce right now.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
He did get robbed of a home run to center by Dexter Fowler (I think)
by Brendanukkah on Aug 15, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
I was at that game. It sucked, but the Reds still won and we still partied to MC Hammer afterward.
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Oh, one thing that I noticed that Fya said:
Dusty is still making the lineups while he’s suspended.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
would Speier do it any differently?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
WWSD?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tonight's Lineup...per Better Off Red:
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
righty righty righty OF! Dusty's in heaven!
Or, at least the GM’s box.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
switch Leake and Janish and i like this lineup!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
how much longer til OCab comes back?
need a replacement level, at least, stick at the SS position for the stretch run
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
yeah, given the options I'm not sure how else I'd do it.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that dude Dickerson got traded for?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Or the young dude who hit a home-run off a lefty last night?
With Heisey in LF.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
I was talking about 1-4 hitters, not Gomes.
Meaning that I’m glad we finally got Heisey batting 2nd.
As for Gomes, he can catch the slowboat to Hoboken for all I care.
FREE HOVA!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, gotcha...
I’d do 1-4 the same, too.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
i am not at all please at how Bruce is getting benched for this knifey-spoony shit
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
can we go trade for Matt Kemp already?
I hear he’s on clearance.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i heard the jerk Cardinals claimed him off waivers to block our trade
the deal is unofficially final though, and it’ll happen in the offseason. doesnt help us now, but the trade will happen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
they have a better record than the Reds, they can't
>>>>sarcasm>>>>>
________________
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"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
weird, "my head" didn't appear between the < and >
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Gonna suck giving the Dodgers Nix, Cairo and Bray for him, though.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
that's not what i heard
the Dodgers are totally in love with Neftali Soto. the deal is built around him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We may have to pull Cairo out, then...
you know, as an emergency catcher.
(has no clue if the Soto at catcher experiment is still going on)
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
nope
they canned it. like Alonso in LF, he stunk at it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite the fact that this entire discussion is ridiculous, I should say
I don’t think he stunk at it, they just had too many catchers and too little playing time. I bet he does more catching in the offseason and next year
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by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you think so?
i thought they had given up.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it possible they'll decline Russell Martin's arb?
Didn’t I read that somewhere?
Maybe we can ship them Mesoraco for Kemp.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
a ha
this is what I was looking for:
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we're going to have to give up Cabrera and Yonder in that one...
they wanted one of our Cubans, and apparently Chapman and Justin are untouchable.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/8/13/1622115/my-top-10-catching-prospects
5. Devin Mesoraco, CIN
Maybe the most unpredictable breakout we’ve seen this season. He’s gone from borderline non-prospect to potential star catcher in the span of a few months, as he’s continued to thrive in Double-A after his breakout in Single-A. He’s got big power and he’s showing some patience; Cincinnati could have an interesting situation on their hands soon with Mesoraco and 2010 first-round pick Yasmani Grandal.
he'd look better than Gomes in LF, that's for sure.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
she'd look better with a decent haircut
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
she'd look amazing under my umbrella-ella.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey hey, holy mackerel, no doubt about it
the Cubs are on their way!
Everybody!
The Cubs are gonna hit today
they’re gonna pitch today
they’re gonna field today
come what may, the Cubs are gonna win today!
I'm sure you all know me.
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Nah... i like fleaflicker
though I need to see some rankings… i bet Chris Johnson and AP are the top picks anyway
set autorankings and just live with whom the computer drafts for you
increases you xflip exponentially.
oh, and don’t hold your draft at hooters!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Aug 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love how you assume I am responsible for everything I do
"He couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with an elephant." - My Main Main Mads
Really, my Fox Saturday game is Orioles-Rays?
Well, that’s an exciting matchup.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Do the Orioles still have that guy
who played all those consecutive games?
I'm sure you all know me.
Or Dusty...
“he’s ruined another arm!”
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Cueto is a villian!
And Carp is a poor defenseless victim.
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing about his back
from McCarver and the other announcer. If Carpenter didn’t want to get hurt, or risk getting hurt, he shoudln’t have started a massive fight by calling angry people obscene names
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