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"You musta thought it was White Boy Day. It ain't White Boy Day, is it?" "Nah, man. It ain't White Boy Day." Reds lose, 6-1.

We just got our ass beat by Drexl.  But by the end of the season, we'll be enjoying ourselves with Alabama Worley while the Cardinals sit there with a corkscrew in their foot and their face on fire.

Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Colby Rasmus.  After giving up a grand slam to Skip Schumaker, it was only appropriate that the other most annoyingly named Cardinal got one too.  Rasmus went 2-5 with two runs scored and four RBI.  Honorable mentions go to Skip Schumaker and Jon Jay.

Key Plays

  • Bronson Arroyo did well through 4.2 innings before giving up a two out double to the pesky Jon Jay.  The Reds fatefully decided to walk Albert Pujols (who would be hitless on the day) rather than let him beat them.  But then Arroyo walked Matt Holliday on four pitches and faced Colby Rasmus with the bases loaded.  Rasmus lofted a fly ball to left field that seemed catchable, but Jonny Gomes let it drop foul.  Then Rasmus turned on a changeup and deposited it into centerfield.  Cardinals lead, 4-0.
  • The normally reliable Jordan Smith pitched the seventh inning, and he gave the Cardinals an opening by walking Matt Holliday with one out.  Colby Rasmus singled on a soft liner to center, and then Yadier Molina and Skip Schumaker both singled on grounders that were juuuuust out of the reach of our infielders.  Holliday and Rasmus scored.  Cardinals lead, 6-0.
  • After a rain delay, the Reds faced Mitchell Boggs in the eighth.  With two outs, Brandon Phillips singled.  Paul Janish hit a single, too, and Phillips went to third when the ball landed in a puddle.  Tony La Russa brought in Trever Miller to face Joey Votto, and Votto singled as well, driving in Phillips for the only Reds run of the game.  Cardinals win, 6-1.

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via www.fangraphs.com

Star-divide

Other Notes

  • The Cardinals had not swept the Reds in Cincinnati since 2005.
  • The Cardinals aligned their rotation to get their three best pitchers going in this series.  Their starters pitched 7, 5.1, and 7 innings.  Cincinnati's starters went 3.2, 5.1, and 5. 
  • The Cardinals had twice as many hits as the Reds in the series, 36 to 18.  Of those 18 hits, only three were for extra bases and two of those came from Ramon Hernandez.

 


 

Final - 8.11.2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RHE
St. Louis Cardinals 0 0 0 0 4 0 2 0 0 6 11 2
Cincinnati Reds 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 5 0
WP: Adam Wainwright (17 - 6)
LP: Bronson Arroyo (12 - 7)

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well,

shit.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 11, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Owings pitches for the Bats tonight

He’s got a 1.64 ERA down there.

If the AAA season ended today, the Bats would face the SWB Yankees in the first round of the playoffs.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 11, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Sadly

the Cardinals did what they had to do. Hopefully our boys will remember this series and it’ll prove to be even greater inspiration in making sure we finish atop the standings at the end of the year.

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by RedHopeful on Aug 11, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

we lost again?

phooey. i cant believe they got their asses kicked this hard in this series. it’s embarrassing.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 11, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

my grandmother had a saying

for just these occasions. the Reds took a shit and fell back into it in this series.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 11, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

UUUUUUGH

I went to two of the three games, Mondays and todays, and other than the two grandslams in those games, it felt like they beat us with a bunch of bleeders. It drove me nuts.

What is also frustrating me is our lack of hitting and I feel we are coming back to earth. We are not the best offensive team in the NL yet we were leading in way too many categories. Gomes should go. Nix has been hot, but I would like to see him hit the bricks. It really sucks that Matt Holiday was not available this year instead of last year. I do not see any answers on the horizon so I guess pray that our Pitchers can really carry us.

by kennythered on Aug 11, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder what

the Card’s BABIP was this series.

by kennythered on Aug 11, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

.349

meta h/t.

.349 isn’t that outside the realm of impossible. The Reds .205 means that the entire team went full Bruce.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Fay

posted a BP interview. They got BP to admit the Cards are good…especially their pitching.

I don’t think the Reds are coming back to earth, so much as they faced three very tough pitchers in this series.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 11, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will agree with that sentiment

However, Gomes/Bruce/Stubbs/Rolen/Phillips were not exactly setting the world on fire before the series.

by kennythered on Aug 11, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's true

But that kind of thing happens over a long season.

On the bright side, Bruce and Stubbs were kinda okay in this series.

I would like to see Heisey take over left field. Let Gomes pinch-hit.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 11, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And I am less than happy with the addition of Edmonds. At least Bruce said he has already learned TWO NEW THINGS! from him.

by kennythered on Aug 11, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it could be argued

that a St. Louis team in the playoffs is scary with Carpenter, Wainwright, and Garcia, yet with the garbage they have for the 4th and 5th spot the lack depth.

The Reds are better over the course of 162 games with their staff, without a true ace, but 8 or 9 quality starting pitchers, without a huge drop off from the best to the worst starter in the rotation.

We really need Bailey to step up and be the pitcher we thought he could be, or Chapman to live up to his full potential.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 11, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

jake westbrook is nothing resembling garbage

the 5th spot is currently garbage, but we’ll see if lohse can remedy that at all when he returns

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jake Westbrook is a pitcher in his first season back from TJS

His ERA is high, there is a good chance he will wear down as the season moves on. We have a post op pitcher too, but if Volquez continues to be sour, we have plenty of good options to replace him with, the Cardinals don’t have that. Wainwright and Carpenter are proven great pitchers, and Garcia (also a post op rookie) has had a great season.

That is a deadly 1-3 that Cincinnati can’t match, but you know, in your heart of hearts, that Sam LeCure and/or Matt Maloney would be an upgrade for your rotation.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

All we have to do is win one more game than the Cardinals at the end of the season.

Then we move on, and hopefully those 1-3 guys can be found sitting on a fishing boat in October.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a smidgen

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if you made such a joke, I don't think anybody would lose their head over it.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we will be able to stop this in time.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've been going at this full throttle.

I’d hate to make waves. But I do anticipate a wake.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's become clear

that having a couple of aces is a big advantage in the post-season. For years, the Yankees were built to win during the season, but not in the post-season. They’d roll through the regular season, then hit a buzz saw like Josh Beckett on three days’ rest. Last year, when they finally won the Serious again, it was with a three-man rotation.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 11, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it does

When you’ve won four times in the previous five years.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot there is a fanbase more arrogant than the Cardinals.

Thank you Bubbafan for reminding me.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ever talked to a BoSox fan?

All the arrogance of a Yankee fan with all the victimhood whining of a Cubs fan rolled into an annoying accent. Now, it’s true, the Yankees are a greater danger to the success of baseball as a business endeavor, but no fans are as annoying as Sox fan

by timb116 on Aug 12, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

nobody hates Twins fans!

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tigers fans?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Aug 12, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

you just feel sorry for them

because there is a damn good chance they live in or near Detroit.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

White Sox fans HATE the Twins

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one thing I admire about Red Sox fans, at least those in Boston

is that they do seem genuinely interested in the team through the highs and lows. I don’t see that in Yankees or Cubs fans.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 12, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the fanbase

Seriously…if the Reds made it to the postseason 8 out of 9 years, but never won the World Series…don’t you think the reaction would be “finally” if they won it all in year 10? Not just from the fans, but from the media and everyone else?

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i was about to ask for a collection to take care of your poor Yankee fans.

I was going to wander around the North Side of Chicago and ask for a collection to take care of you guys.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

common BF

i know what you are trying to say, and if i squint i can almost empathize, but you know perfectly well you will find no quarter here. try again when the Yanks have been basement dwellers for 10 years.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 13, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, you're wrong

winning 4 times in 5 years means that you have no right to complain if it takes 30 years to get another one. You had your moment.

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by Slyde on Aug 12, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not a complaint

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, not really

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a good analogy

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree

Bragging about your money might be tacky, but using the word “finally” isn’t.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily think it's tacky.

I just think it’s hilariously out of touch. And it’s not just your comment. I kept hearing it from the media last October and just rolling my eyes.

by the finest muffins on Aug 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the word does imply expectation

but not entitlement.

If the Buffalo Bills win the next Super Bowl, I bet a lot of headlines will read “Finally!” If not, the word will appear in the first paragraph or two.

And I don’t think it would be “out of touch,” If you’ve been to the Super Bowl four times but never won, when you do eventually win, the word “finally” will be used. The fact that some teams have never been to the Super Bowl even once doesn’t enter into it.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a very good argument.

(I think. I’m assuming the Buffalo Bills are the Yankees of football? Though that’s surprising, because my one friend from Buffalo always made it seem like they were bad.)

Anyway, I’m still going to roll my eyes,

by the finest muffins on Aug 12, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with muffins on this one.

And the billionaire analogy is actually quite apt.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I call bull on the Bills analogy.

The Bills have never, NEVER won a Super Bowl. The only real titles they have are AFL titles from 64 and 65. In other words, they’re practically the Browns.

And winning the AFC in the early 90s (which they did 4-straight times) is akin to winning the AL West — that was a dog-shit conference.

Also, the Bills’ last playoff appearance was 99. You’re comparing the winningest professional franchise in North America to the … Buffalo Bills.

Any one of the Bills’ titles would have warranted a “Finally” because that franchise is and remains to be a mess.

And I won’t even get started with the fact that you’re comparing a NYC team to a Buffalo team — Buffalo’s two franchises have compiled to win 0 Stanley Cups and 0 Super Bowls.

Any win in Buffalo is a finally.

A Yankees WS ring just another other.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's not whimsical!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay

What word would you use to emphasize that it’s been longer than expected for something to happen?

I suppose I could have used “eventually,” but I don’t think that’s really accurate. It implies that it was inevitable – just a matter of time. Not only do I not think that’s the case, I think the connotation would be a lot more obnoxious than “finally.”

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Yankees fans shouldn't talk about

“eventually” or “waiting” or “finally” ever.

I, like most here (I’m assuming), think the statement itself — regardless of the word use — was just a bad move.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, what about non-Yankees fans?

Because honestly, my use of the word had nothing to do with my being a Yankees fan. As Muffins pointed out, the media in generally used that word. What word should they use instead?

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they should be using that angle at all. It's a non-story.

Nine years isn’t a long time in the world of championships. If they want to mention how long it’s been, just say “it’s been nine years.”

Now, when the Indians win a World Series, that’s cause for a “finally.” (Notice I didn’t use the Cubs as my example. I think you all know why.)

by the finest muffins on Aug 12, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

"longer than expected"

is the issue, here.

Most teams expect that they will win a WS in the next decade or two, because historically, that’s what they’ve done. It’s not unreasonable to use the word “finally” or anything else when a team wins for the first time in decades.

The fact that the Yankees have adjusted their expectations to win a WS about once every five years is the annoying part. And thus, the rest of us have little sympathy when it has been “longer than expected,” and yet it’s still much shorter than any of the rest of us expect for our own teams.

Like my kids say (and surely I had nothing at all to do with this), “We don’t like the Yankees because they don’t share.”

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Aug 12, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this was FINALLY going to be the time you would admit you were wrong

I guess I’ll have to wait another nine years.

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you were wrong about that.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every once in a while.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 12, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills haven't been good since the early 90's.

The Yankees didn’t even have a decade in between titles. Not even close.

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by BK on Aug 12, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

they make the playoffs

the Cubs could say finally, except they will never win a World Series.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

25 for 25 at BCB

looks like the Cards fan got much better treatment over there than over here… even got 4 rec’s and top billing in fanposts!

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Kevin Orie. Lol.

He’s their very own Chris Stynes. And I’m sore over the lack of Julio Zuleta on that list.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the whole Cueto thing.

It was one thing to be caught surprised against the net and throw a kick, and maybe accidentally catch someone in the face or back. But the whole repeated kicking thing, as BP would say, is something little bitches do.

Granted, he’s somewhat new to “gentleman” rules of a brawl. He grew up in the DR, and probably had no idea what he was doing. Nonetheless, it was bad. As was the whole series.

I’m moving on now.

by bdub7989 on Aug 11, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

disagree on the Cueto thing

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 11, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a terrible series

mainly because we have to deal with sanctimonious Cardinals fans. I’m not giing up on these guys. This can’t make me give up on them if Philadelphia didn’t. The Cardinals played well, but will fall on their faces again at some point. Hopefully we gain ground then.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 11, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

oh god please don't kill me i'm the enemy oh god

Bickering and hatred aside (just for a moment), I thought you guys might be interested in the Cardinals opponents between now and the next Cards-Reds series in St. Louis in early September:

Cubs: 48-65
Brewers: 53-61
Giants: 64-50
Pirates: 39-73
Natinals: 49-64
Astros: 48-65

That’s pretty fluffy, especially since the Giants series is at home. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to expect that the Cardinals will win 2/3 of those games. You never know, of course — the Cardinals have a terrible habit of losing baseball games against the Astros — but the schedule is clearly as close to a cakewalk as you could ask for.

The Reds, in the meantime, will be facing slightly stronger competition (still mostly sub-.500 teams). The catch, as I’m sure you know, is that the Reds will be embarking on a nine-straight-days west coast road trip, which includes both of their series against strong teams (the Dodgers and Giants, obviously). It seems to be that it’s going to be pretty important for the Reds to play good baseball over the next few weeks if they’re going to keep pace in the NL Central leading up to the next Cards-Reds series. These are an important few weeks for both teams.

Okay, resume hatred and bickering.

by mojowo11 on Aug 11, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see them rip off a 9 game winning streak

and maybe roar into the playoffs, Rockies style.

But right now I’d just take them beating the crap out of a contender for once.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Aug 11, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The weird thing about this team

is that they haven’t had a streak longer than 5 games, either direction. I would also welcome a good long winning streak.

by the finest muffins on Aug 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beating the crap out of whoever works for me

Yeah, I want to beat the good teams, but right now whaling on some creampuffs would do my soul good.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can rec this, because it is the truthiest thing said so far in this thread.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Aug 11, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

dear god, a west coast trip

scares me more than getting swept by the cardinals.
lets hope the red legs can suck it up & don’t implode after this series.

by NikoliVoltron on Aug 11, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

amen

this trip scares the hell out of me. I’d love to turn something out of it. And have the Cubs do us a favor.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the info

I’m surprised they let you over to talk to the classless Reds fans.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize you posted this

to show that the Cards will not fall on their faces. I’ll just patiently wait and hope that they do, which I think is legitimate and not even necessarily hate filled or a form of bickering.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

After the Rasmus slammy

it felt like all the air left the ballpark. My buddy called it a backbreaker. Hard not to agree.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Aug 11, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So obviously it sucks to lose today, it sucks to get swept, it sucks to get swept at home, and it sucks to lose first place

But for me, easily the most frustrating thing was that by the 4th or 5th inning, each game seemed completely un-winnable.

It’s a really foreign feeling this season to feel like we are truly out of a game, but I felt like that fairly early each game this week. It’s no fun.

Also, I’m not interested in another argument about BP’s comments, but I don’t like that they turned this series into something it didn’t need to be. Those comments and the contention that they brought added extra importance and stress to each game, and I don’t like it. I don’t think I’d be feeling so bad right now if he hadn’t ever said what he said (but that’s just me)

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Aug 11, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

There will be other days my friends

While the Reds got their hats handed to them this week there is still a long way to go. Hopefully the Reds use the off day to lick their wounds and then put it behind them and come out swinging (with their bats) on Friday.

Hope Springs Eternal!! Go Reds

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by Caleb on Aug 11, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

There is no shame

in being exposed. Our pitching staff is one of the league’s best 1-5, but when pitching against aces we don’t stack up. Too many holes and too much inconsistency. I’m realistic enough to admit that this Reds team isn’t winning the World Series. It’s a likeable team that would be a couple of games over .500 in most other divisions. I’m ecstatic with that, as it’s a huge improvement over what the last decade has been. Since we do have such an easy schedule, a playoff berth is entirely possible if not likely. Let’s enjoy the ride, but also not expect the world from the 2010 Reds.

We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come.

by chesirecat on Aug 11, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree mostly.

I think that if they catch lightning in a bottle, they do have the skill to win the World Series. However, that being said, I don’t actually expect them to. I’m still rooting for the playoffs and will be very disappointed if they don’t make it. It’s still at least a step in the right direction to finally have a winning season though (knock on wood).

by wishfuldrifter on Aug 11, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Except I don’t think we should knock on Wood. He’s been our best starter lately.

by the finest muffins on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he is in AAA....

Go Reds!

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only world series this team is going to

might be the world series of poker. However, I think we can make the playoffs, and I’ve enjoyed the fight to reach them so far. As difficult as it is to watch this team sometimes, I love them for making this season so entertaining.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

the 2006 Cardinals was not a great team

remember that.

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was a tough September.

I really don’t know how that team went from contending in the central and leading the wild card at the end of August, to a losing record.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hopefully won't catch too much flak for saying it

but this sure didn’t help matters that year.

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by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn collapsed

also the Reds had some serious pitching issues, outside of Harang, Arroyo, they had garbage, it actually hurt them a lot with Ramirez and MIlton went down with injuries.

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

FTFY

the Reds had some serious pitching issues, outside of Harang, Arroyo, they had garbage, it actually hurt them a lot with Ramirez and : Milton went down with injuries.

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by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus, we'd suck at poker.

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by crolfer on Aug 12, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Il disastro di baseball." - Bumblebee Man, The Simpsons

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by Joe Public on Aug 11, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

this is like the third or fourth total catastrophe!

just gotta hope they can keep coming back.

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

My best friend just sent me a fucking link to VEB

He crossed the fucking line. Moron.

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by crolfer on Aug 11, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I'mma punch him.

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by crolfer on Aug 11, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put bugs in his bed!

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by Ash on Aug 12, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

so she can shank him in the night?

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

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by boobs on Aug 11, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Votto asked for it...

Otherwise, you just let Votto do what he does and not mess with it…

by Nasty N8 on Aug 11, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

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by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Votto has already made it known that he does not want to play LF.

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by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

fun to whom?

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by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

coviner

Alonso was the minor league player on the rise or whatever the Reds call that mid inning video in today’s game.

Sam LeCure was the player on the rise Monday, the Minor League coordinator said they are working on “making Sam a little smarter”.

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

it just sucks to have that much talent with no place to put him

If he was only slightly below average in LF I think at this point you would have to give him a shot

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 1:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

let me qualify that, it's fallen off greatly in big moments

See: Phillies series, this series, Nationals series.

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

I like him on the team, but I have no problem having Heisey (and even – gasp – Edmonds) take his ABs about now.

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by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you feel is the problem?

I am curious because I feel our OF’s production at the plate is the number 1 contributing factor as to why we do not have a lead in the division.

by kennythered on Aug 12, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

You have to think that if they are producing at the same clip over the last two months with the staff going how it has, we have a few games on the Cards right now, even if they had still swept

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

over the last two weeks of games, the reds are averaging 5.57 runs/game. For the season, they average 4.89 runs/game, which is the most in the majors

the problem is some people only remember games in which the reds score fewer than 5 runs and conveniently recall all the low-scoring games.

You can’t point to one problem on a baseball team. There’s a lot of shit going on. Until this series, the Reds had the most wins in the NL, the best run differential in the NL and led the division by two games. Then the Cardinals came to town, they hit two grand slams, the Reds’ defense was at its season-worst and they lost three games. It was one bad series (among other bad series and other good series) against three of the best starters in the NL, and it was little more than that. The Reds lost by four runs, four runs and five runs in this series. Even if every outfielder had an additional solo home run in each game, the Reds still would have been swept.

In this series, the hitting sucked, the pitching sucked and the defense sucked. I can’t figure out why people want to single out the offense, which has been the team’s best asset all year.

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by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's skewed by a lot of good performances against shitty pitchers though

I am not one of these “sky is falling” guys," but considering the pitching over the last month and a half (and I am discounting the Cards series, that was just shit all the way around) a team with that offense should have been damn near unbeatable. The problem is, some days they just don’t show up. I think that stems from the outfield.

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the July losses, a month where the staff held down a 3.09 ERA

The Reds scored 1, 0, 3, 7, 0, 0, 0, 5, 1, 0, 2, and 4 runs. That’s an average of about 1.9 runs a game.

The run differential for the month was +43 and the Reds went 14-12. In over half the losses they scored 0 or 1 runs.

So yes, if you just look at the average, the offense was good. However, if you look at the averages you would also expect the Reds to have a better July record.

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just trying to highlight the inconsistency

My point is, there isn’t a lot of gray area with this offense. It’s not quite all or nothing, but the last month and a half hasn’t been as good as the overall average would lead one to believe

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no offense is consistent

every team has few runs when they lose and more runs when they win. thats why you look at a spread of stats. the number bear out that the reds’ offense is just fine, thank you very much.

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by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, then why was a team that average 5 runs for and 3 runs against only 14-12 last month?

Stubborn management deserves some of the blame, surely. Again, I am not saying this is some crap offense, but scoring 10+ runs against the Milwaukees and Chicagos of the league are going to skew the stats a bit.

by coviner on Aug 12, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Votto doesn't want it

then North American shouldn’t have it!

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

but what a minute

it is the United States who practices the Monroe Doctrine, not some Canadian.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wainright

It certainly added fuel to our fire, when you’ve got guys opening their mouth saying stupid stuff. But we only use that in a positive way. it’s very unprofessional to fire back. just go out there and win the game on the field, not off the field. That’s what we did this series." — Adam Wainwright on Brandon Phillips

Okay he’s right that they won. But not fire back? Um, TLR? Molina, before a pitch was thrown? WTF is he talking about? Was he even there?

by Brian B on Aug 11, 2010 11:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

er, how about Carpenter?

I couldn’t believe that quote.

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by bbjones on Aug 11, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just won't pay attention to them anymore

did you hear LaRussa vomited several times after the fight he got so worked up? That is what Rome said. Well this whole thing make me want to puke.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

or, perhaps he found the clubhouse mirror with his free time.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

man he is a bit homely isn't he?

I thought that was a magnanimous way to put it.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like a tired old Queen

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by Madville on Aug 12, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mads

you are truly the arbiter of taste here (I need a little clap icon)

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where's me spinach?

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't this kind of firing back?

Wouldn’t it be the most professional thing to do be just to not talk about it at all?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Aug 12, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

acting like we've been there before

Look, it’s been a long time since this team was any good at all. With the Cards coming to town and a decent lead in the standings, we* forgot to act like we’ve been there before. Understandable, even fun, but ultimately foolish.

We got summarily stomped. We lost sight of the fact that the Cards are a very good team, and that we haven’t had that legacy recently — though of course we all have a good feeling about the future.

So, let it be a lesson to us. Scoreboard first, then talk later. If you put up enough on the scoreboard, no talk is necessary.

We are absolutely not out of this race. For the first time in a while, I’m confident that this team will strain for the finish with a good chance of success. Next time we get the lead in the Central, let’s act like we’ve been there before.

*in this case, “we” is not only the Reds, but also RR.

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by bbjones on Aug 11, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

too much speaking for others and humbleness

the Cardinals have 2 good pitchers and 2 good batters and we rolled over for them. are they bad at baseball? they’re certainly not the pirates. but fuck them, and I stand behind BP

by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

we havent been there before (in many years anyway)

pretending we have doesnt really do anything except comply with stupid superstitious platitudes. the cardinals didnt sweep the reds because phillips talked shit or because the reds or red reporter didnt act like theyve been there before. they swept because they played much better all three games. all phillips accomplished was get a lot more people interested in the series, which is a good thing IMO.

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by boobs on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are wrong

this was clearly redreporter’s fuck up.

Come on guys, if we truly become the best fans in baseball the sweet baby jesus will bless us with a worthless 83 win team that by some fluke wins the World Series, and makes me consider giving up my citizenship, because something was clearly wrong with America, walking two blocks from my hotel to the U.S. Interest Section, and turning in my U.S. Passport.

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone's suggesting that

I don’t believe in karma. But I do think BP’s flapping lips may have lost us game 2 at least. The brawl was clearly a distraction that affected us more than them. Rolen said he was tired before his first at-bat that night, because of the “tension.” And all those errors. The Reds clearly had something other than baseball on their minds that night.

Then there’s how this might affect us going forward. We might have to play without some of our best players. And while the team will defend BP to the death on the field, in the clubhouse they’re none too pleased with him.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to fan any flames here.

But if you want a good laugh about the Cardinals’ response to Brandon’s comments, check out Wednesday’s Frosty Mug over at Brew Crew Ball. They’ve got some good lines over there.

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by ZJiff30 on Aug 12, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

they link to Red Leg Nation

but call it Red Reporter.

http://www.brewcrewball.com/2010/8/11/1617320/wednesdays-frosty-mug

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hilarious stuff

they really don’t like the Cardinals.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I was at Wrigley last week in my Red's shirt and hat

I had Cubs fans telling me they hope we take out the Cardinals.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

too bad we failed

now we have to hope the Cubs can take out the Cardinals. I know the fans hate Votto and Dusty I guess, and Marty, but they might want to beat the Cardinals a bit more than they’d like to hurt them

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

we haven't failed yet

this series was more important for St. Louis than Cincinnati. If the Reds swept the series, the Cardinals would have been close to done with a 5 game deficit, instead they swept us and turn a 2 game deficit into a 1 game lead.

Honestly dropping 2 out of 3 to KC, and being swept by Pittsburgh and Seattle is more concerning, had the Reds done what they should have done in those series, they would have a comfortable cushion in first place.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah those ones hurt alot

esepcially Seattle, that just killed me

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I like the Brewers (and their fans) a little more now.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Aug 12, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

what did the Cards do to them?

it sounds like they complained about their shirts or something. Maybe ol’ Pete, battlekow or Ted could enlighten me on that one. Whatever it was, those Brewers fans really had some good zingers in there

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

they complained that they untucked their shirts after the game. It’s how the Brewers celebrate a victory, and the Cards didn’t like it.

The next time the Reds beat the Cards, they should strip off their shirts completely, like those foot fairies do.

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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

you are brilliant Bubba. They should Hulk Hogan them off.

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

but Braun could probably hold his own with Donovan

by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the win expectancy charts you put up after the game...

.. but I am pretty ignorant when it comes to how they work. Do they take in to effect the pitcher that is pitching? For instance when Colby hit the homerun it dropped dramatically does that have anything to do with Adam on the hill instead of someone like Suppan? For instance if Suppan were pitching would it have barely moved at all? :-)

by ALLCAPS on Aug 12, 2010 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know the answer, but I suspect it doesn't take the pitcher into account

Just historically, when baseball games have been in this situation (home team down four, two outs in the fifth), this is how often the visitor goes on to win the game. It’s FanGraphs stuff. They might have an explanation over there of how they measure the changes in win expectancy.

And then you can leave comments on their site.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 12, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds like Slide and Jinaz's explanation

so you are probably right.

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by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said probably.

Let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks quite yet, gentlemen.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 12, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You keep using that word...

…you know the rest.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 12, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

Thanks for the info.

by ALLCAPS on Aug 12, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is correct

the only context it takes into account is historical averages for that situation.

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by Slyde on Aug 12, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My 2 Cents

In a series like this one the Cardinals showed that they have:
1.Excellent pitching
2. Albert Puhols
3. Experience and Confidence
4. A fan base that follows them to enemy territory
5. An arrogance that comes with expecting to win every game.
6. The ability to take 1 through 5 and kick your ass.

I believe that it is going to be hard for the Reds to win the central. I also think that the Reds have a very good shot at the wild card. But the young guys and the inexperienced guys need to put some wins back under their belts and not lets this sweep stop their momentum. This is where Dusty is going to earn his money. He and his coaches (and Rolen and SloCab etc) will make the difference between a noticed loss of team confidence or just a bump in the road.

Go Reds – Go Dusty

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--Dusty Bake - Fearless Visionary Manager

by Madville on Aug 12, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I think if the Reds could pick up the pieces after Pittsburgh, KC, and Seattle they can do it again after St. Louis

No shame in losing to another quality team, plenty of shame in losing to the other mentioned teams.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think it'll be that hard to win central

St Louis has a lot of tough series on its schedule. And the Reds still have 3 more games against them. Both play 3 vs SF and 4 vs Col, other than that:

St Lou has
4 vs ATL
4 vs SD

Reds have
3 vs LAD
3 vs SD

Those are the only other winning clubs we each face. It’s not a big difference, but our standing in the division is only 1 game. Can’t afford to get swept by StL later in the year tho. At least have to win 1 down there.

by cokane on Aug 12, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus

personally i feel that even if the reds fail to win the central, the wild card is pretty much theirs to lose right now. I realize SF has it by standings right now. But SF, PHI, and COL all have much tougher schedules the rest of the year. No reason this team can’t finish with a better record than those.

by cokane on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

but I really want the Reds to win the central

and the Cardinals to go home. That said, I would much rather face any team in the playoffs than the Giants. So its a wash.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, in 1993, Dusty's team was in a dogfight with the Braves for the NL title

The Giants lost 8 in a row IN SEPTEMBER that year and still came back to finish only game out and get eliminated on the last day of the season. Losing three games right now is not the end of anything. The Cards will suffer suspensions like the Reds (although I doubt it will be as bad as the one Cueto is going to get, and nice of the cards to pimp that for the national media….gamesmanship to the teacher, no less. That’s how a good bully does it) and they have less depth.

I said after the All-Star Break that the Reds probably couldn’t win the Central with the team they have. I still think that, but it certainly doesn’t mean I think they can’t win it. Face it, without John Jay hitting .500 in this series, Pujols, Holliday, and Rasmus have no one to drive in. Does anyone think John Jay is going to hit .500 the rest of the way? The Reds have a really good chance here and I for one am loving it!

Caring about Reds baseball in mid-August? Are you kidding me? The last time that happened my junior high school daughter was a years and a half old. Go Reds.

by timb116 on Aug 12, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

that Giants collapse is one of my first sports memories

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting team, too

Skinny Bonds had a decent 204 OPS+ that year. And a gold glove. 10.6 WAR ain’t bad.

As for Reds watch: Dave Martinez, Royce Clayton, Darren Lewis, Todd Benzinger, Jeff Reed, Jeff Brantley, Dave Burba, Tim Layana and Gino Minutelli. Never have I seen so many Reds jerseys and so little actual effective playing for the Reds.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Burba and Jeff Brantley were pretty effective.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

As were Jeff Reed (great game-caller) and Tim Layana, RIP.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't really a collapse

over the course of August, September, and October the Giants had a cool 33-24 record or a .578 winning percentage. It is just that in that same time Atlanta had a 41-15 record, or an astounding .731 winning percentage. Atlanta was playing amazing baseball.

I am thrilled for your success, hell I'm amazed by it. Nobody who knows you saw this coming.

by justin007000 on Aug 12, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting swept at home by your rival team is a lot more than a three game losing streak.

You’re right that it’s not over- there’s plenty of baseball left.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Aug 12, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless it's the last week of the season, it's just three games IMHO

Like Slyde said on Monday, either of these teams could lose all of these games and still win the division by 5 games

by timb116 on Aug 12, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, sorta - if we had taken all three, does it really seem likely that the Cards could have made 10 games on us by season's end.

At the very least, it’s a three game losing streak while your rival is on a three game winning streak, even without getting into the possible psychology of it.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Aug 12, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Research has shown that momentum does not have any statistical effect in baseball.

I think it comes down SOLELY to the psychology of the players involved, which we folk never know anything about.

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by PeteyHendrix on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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