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I'm going to qualify this post with a note that this may be the winning talking, but I don't care, I feel good!

Yesterday at the Vote Votto lunch, I had the pleasure of sitting and chatting with Dan from OMGReds for quite a while. One topic that we discussed was how different these Reds were compared to recent Reds teams of the last decade. Obviously the on-field performance is different than we've seen for quite some time, but it's more than that. The organization is doing things that they haven't done in the past, at least not for several years.

Can you imagine the Carl Lindner run Reds springing for a free lunch for fans just so they can come use the Reds computers to vote for a player to go to the All-Star Game? Hell, can you imagine the Reds of the early aughts even campaigning for a player to make the All-Star Game? I think the more likely scenario is that the old Reds would have sat on their hands for fear that an ASG appearance for Votto would drive up his price during salary negotiations.

But not the new Reds. Instead of being afraid of how much a player is going to cost them in the future, they understand that a baseball team is a long-term investment and if they want to be successful, they need a team that fans will care about. Yes, it helps that Joey Votto is an awesome player, and that Scott Rolen still has something in the tank, and that Mike Leake caught everybody off guard. But building a good organization takes more than just putting a good product on the field.

A couple of years ago, on this site, I complained about the fact that the Reds did very little to promote their players. I had gone to Jacobs Field and saw giant pictures of Indians players and banners with players' faces all around the outside of the stadium. Then I came home and barely saw anything representing the current squad inside the stadium, let alone in the surrounding areas. Granted, some of that had to do with the fact that the Reds didn't have much to celebrate in the middle years of the decade, but the Reds did very little to build enthusiasm around the organization.

That has changed. Today, when you go down to the park, even when there isn't a game, you still get a lot of the Reds flavor in the area. There are banners on every light post with CURRENT players' faces on them. There are two giant pictures on the outside of the Reds team shop next to the Reds Hall of Fame depicting Johnny Cueto and Joey Votto in action. When you come to the park, you can't help getting enthused about the organization.

But it's not just pictures and banners. The Reds marketing staff has been throwing everything at fans but the kitchen sink. From big events like Fireworks Fridays and MC Hammer(!) to smaller ones like Bark-in-the-Park and Baby Day, they are doing all they can to give fans reason to come to the park. And while fans still aren't making their presence felt in droves, the Reds' organization has been keeping a positive attitude and not blaming the fans for not coming out. They simply keep trying new things (Did I mention MC Hammer?).

I know there are some of you who still are going to hate on the Reds process, but not me. Not right now, at least. I'm going to give some props to Bob Castellini and his crew. I belive they are truly trying to make the Reds a great organization again. It ain't easy, but it's getting there.

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If anyone that's a Red fan votes 'No' in this pole -- you can go fuck yourself.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Then I guess I can go fuck myself, b/c I voted no.

And here’s why:

I don’t see the Reds doing anything to really actively combat their “small market” status. Sure, they made a splash with Chapman, but deep down I’m wondering how or why the Reds got him and no one else did. Control problems? Paying a lot of money for a guy that’s at least a year (maybe two) from the rotation? I wanna see Chapman dominate in a Reds uniform, but I just have that bad feeling that we overpaid for him. Goddamn I hope I’m wrong.

Sure, this is the 1st year the Reds have actually looked decent since 2006 this deep into a season, so I don’t expect a 1/2 season to magically boost attendance, but the Reds seriously need to put more butts in seats. If they don’t, then they’ll always be a “small market” team. It’s very much a cause and effect issue. If you put a winning product on the field, the fans will come. I’m hoping the Reds stay hot in 2010, and at least finish above .500 (if not better), and that we see a spike in season ticket sales for 2011, and so forth and so on, so the Reds then have an increased revenue stream to use as a pipeline to player salaries.

I also want to see the Reds be more fiscally responsible with their assets (read: players & contracts). After this season, there’s no way we can bring back Arroyo or Harang given the other player raises on the horizon, but we’ll need arms to fill the rotation. Do I want to replace Arroyo and or Harang with the Maloneys, Woods or LeCures of the world? Of course I don’t. Over The Lost Decade, the Reds have held onto expensive players far too long, and have gotten dick for them. The last “sell high” trade I remember was Jose Guillen for Aaron Harang in 2003 (although Joe Valentine was the big piece we were getting back in that deal, remember?). Maybe there’s been a couple others, but I sure as shit don’t remember them. It just seems like we hold onto our players until their value’s at an all time low, and sell for pennies on the dollar. But then again, we also seem to hand out some bad contracts, too. Brandon Phillips is no longer a good value, and should have shipped out of town due to Cincinnati’s small market-ness probably at least 2 years ago. Is that to say that I don’t want Brandon Phillips on the team? Of course I want him on the team, but he sure as shit ain’t cheap for a low payroll team.

How can I not mention The Dusty? We’re never going to win with this clown as manager, plain and simple. We fucking win in spite of him and his piss poor lineups, and his god awful bullpen management. The Reds being good this year scares me that he’ll get extended, although I think that’ll happen only if they make it to the NLCS. Anything short of that, and his toothpick chewin’ ass should find the next mode of transportation out of town. The Reds need a manager that the rest of the MLB wants to play for. The Dusty ain’t that.

The only thing I like about what the Reds are currently doing is pumping $$$$ into the international scouting and development, but that seems like putting all your eggs in the the wrong basket, IMO. Thankfully Walt’s started to draft better than his predecessors, but when you’ve missed on too many 1st Round Draft picks since 2000, that’s an uphill battle no team with limited financial/fiscal resources can climb.

Lastly, I’ll be livid if the Reds don’t go out and make a splash as buyers between now and July 31. Supposedly they have the prospects to get it done, although the Reds haven’t had a good track record at developing prospects or evaluating their talent, so who knows if these guys are really as good as advertised? Bottomline, we have a shit-ton of guys in the minors who may never see our MLB roster, so Walt needs to do everything he can between now and July 31 to improve our MLB roster, b/c we’re not stocked with reinforcements in the minors, contrary to popular belief.

Am I happy with the overall direction of the Reds? Absolutely not. After The Lost Decade, I’m sick of all the losing and I want to see them make measurable moves to improve this team and organization. Walt was a great step in the right direction, but I want to see more. Right now, I just haven’t seen that more.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never want you to run this franchise.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wait, the Reds don't have prospects pan out?

Votto? Cueto? Bruce? Leake? Less definitely, Stubbs, Heisey, and Wood?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 8, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

whom we got dick for when we traded him

poor development and asset management, if you ask me

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

They got him to make a push for the playoffs, didn’t make the playoffs, then didn’t him offer arbitration and let him walk. No postseason baseball, no draft picks, no players in return. Nothing.

And meanwhile, Micah Owings is in the bullpen of a playoff contender, and Dallas Buck could still become something. And I have a personal soft spot for Wilkin Castillo.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of like Castillo too...

I don’t know if he’ll ever be a constant MLB guy, but having a guy who’s that flexible can’t be a bad thing for the organization.

by DocRam on Jul 8, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he "panned out", right?

Or did he just not “pan out” to your desire?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunn definitely panned out

I wish we still had him.

Based on the contract he signed with the Nats, we could still have him.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, seriously?

You’d rather have Dunn at $12 million than Gomes at $800k?

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by Cy Schourek on Jul 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

seriously

but I’m really biased when it comes to Dunn. I’d rather take comfort in the fact that the Reds can afford Dunn’s salary, and can therefore afford to have his bat in the lineup, and his concrete glove in LF

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want the Reds to have more $$$$ to spend on players

I want them to have a Dunn & Rolen in the lineup and afford them, rather than having to settle for Gomes & Rolen in the lineup b/c they can only afford Rolen

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

put more butts in seats

find and or create more revenue streams

spend some of that revenue sharing

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 of those I'll give you

Bruce
Cueto
Votto

I’m very optimistic about Leake, but it’s been 1/2 season, so I think I’ll allowed to be somewhat reserved about him.

Stubbs has panned out to do what? Not make contact and suck something awful offensively? And let’s not forget that his Super Galactic OtherWorldly D hasn’t been all that consistent

Heisey’s had a medium cup of java

Wood’s had a small cup of java

So are there other prospects that have magically panned out that are hiding some place?

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Find me another franchise that has an MVP candidate, a solid #2-3 starter, a well above average OFer at the age of 23,

a rookie straight out of college serving as an above average starter, one of the best defensive CFers in the league (don’t know where you’re getting your “inconsistent defense” from, except that that’s what you want to see) who’s also about average offensively for the position, a solid average catcher (Hanigan), one of the best 4th OFers in the game, and probably the best young pitching depth in all of baseball

all coming from their system. Other than a couple of teams, the Reds have more quality homegrown talent on their current roster than anyone.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’m not sure what HLM wants. A former Reds draft pick starting at every position?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

a hug?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 8, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sick of losing

The Lost Decade did a number on me, especially that doozy of a trade in 2006 where Krivsky tried to pull the wool over our eyes.

I don’t care where or how we get the talent, I just want more of it so we win more.

I’m so fucking frustrated with the Reds, and I really really don’t want them to let us down this year. I had them pegged as a 75 win team this year, but they have me finally believing. We’re almost mid July and we’re rumored to go after Cliff Lee. We have a 3 game division lead on the Cardinals. I finally believe. I just don’t want it to end. I’m not ready for it to end.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said, let's see more out of Leake than 1/2 season

Stubbs has dropped some balls lately, and taken some uncharacteristically bad routes to balls. I’m not the only one that’s said it either.

I want to see more of Hanigan and Heisey, b/c I’m definitely encouraged by what they’ve done.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I won't argue with you on Stubbs, because you clearly have it out for him and will come up with any 'evidence' necessary to back up your belief

but regarding the rest, I think it’s unfair to say that “wanting to see more” is an excuse for saying they haven’t panned out.

Of course we want to see more from them. But that doesn’t mean you can discount what they’ve already done.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not discounting what they've done

SSS is logically acceptable. They just haven’t shown us enough. If I were to build a data model based on guys with SSS what would it show me? Not much. Also, if I were to mine some data from their SSS what would it tell me? Only what they’ve done in that SSS.

You want evidence about Stubbs?Fangraphs!

If I screwed up the link (which is very possible), it tells us that Stubbs is a -2.3 UZR, and a -6.5 UZR/150 for 2010. That ranks him 18 of 23 and 18 of 23 respectively of qualified CF on both. That doesn’t scream GG to me. Does it scream GG to you? Is Fangraphs wrong?

I just don’t think it’s intellectually responsible to look at what some of our guys have done as SSS and predict it going forward. It is, however, acceptable, to look at what Stubbs has done to the present defensively.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

it’s getting kinda hard for me to not just skip your posts entirely.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fine

don’t read them. I’m the only guy fighting this fight anyway b/c I’m frustrated with the last 10+ years of the Reds. I just want them to be consistently better.

nycredsfan asked for evidence about Stubbs defensively. I showed him the evidence. If you want to believe Fangraphs, that’s up to you.

Stubbs hasn’t been good defensively this year.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

as has been said many times before

Defensive stats aren’t anywhere near where offensive stats are, and are not reliable for sample sizes smaller than three years. There are wild variations, simply because the average player doesn’t get very many attempts defensively.

That means we’re left with scouting for players like Stubbs, and the scouting says he’s a plus defender.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my problem (not with you personally, with the tactics used here)

   People will say, “Defensive stats aren’t anywhere near where offensive stats are, and are not reliable for sample sizes smaller than three years” or something similar when defensive stats make someone they like look bad, but will gladly trot out the same defensive stats to discredit someone they don’t like (See: Cabrera, Orlando).

   The same problem exists with Dusty. When the Reds are winning it’s in spite of Dusty, when they’re losing it’s because of Dusty.

   Shit or get off the pot, Red Reporter.

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 9, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone's used stats wrt Slo-Cab

There was some mention about his bad stats last year when he was signed, but everyone conceded that it was only one year and could be a fluke.

People are complaining about what they see, not his UZR or TZ. It’s the scouting, not the stats: Cabrera doesn’t have much range any more, and doesn’t have the arm he used to.

And I think defensive stats have a place, if there’s a large enough sample size. It’s legit to criticize, say, Derek Jeter using his UZR or TZ, because the sample size is large enough.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 9, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

So in 680 defensive innings this year Fangraphs is wrong about Drew Stubbs?

But they’re right about Franklin Gutierrez (705 D IP) & Marlon Byrd (686 D IP) only b/c we have more historical defensive metric data on Gutierrez and Byrd?

And I’m not saying that Stubbs is a bad defender, I’m saying he’s having a bad year defensively. Pretty different, wouldn’t you say?

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Because you act like that shit comes over night.

And most of what you’re basing this off is from a regime ago.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay Debbie Downer

Paragraph by paragraph analysis of the above:
1) if they hadn’t gotten Chapman, you’d have said, “they need to make a splash to prove they’re not going to act like a small market team!” With your statement, you can now say, “I told you that they made a bad deal.” Nice hedging, though, just in case Chapman ends up being a steal!
2) This is what the entire post is about. They are doing more to attract fans – independent of winning!
3) so you’re saying we should sell players at their highest value. How about selling high on Votto? We’d get a boatload back from him. Or Bruce. Or Leake. You really want to ship Phillips out? Selling everyone high is the formula for a AAA team for the rest of the league (Florida Marlins)
4) What have you read that players don’t play for Dusty? I agree that paying Dusty as much as he’s being paid on a small-market team is ridiculous, but you really can’t argue Dusty’s track record.
5) Walt has drafted AS WELL AS his predecessors – Kriv and OB actually drafted well. Also, you put a positive sentence in here, and immediately surround it with more negativity.
6) So, are you advocating that they trade the entire minors away for a few good players? So you’re saying we should buy from someone who’s selling their player high… or, since we’re supposed to sell high, maybe you’re saying we should get a struggling player who was at one time good… but that wouldn’t be a big splash. Or are you being critical of the Reds’ player development? Or are you advocating they pick up some minor leaguers because the shelves aren’t as full as advertised? I’m confused here.
7) You’re not happy because of the last 10 years. What you’re missing is the direction the team’s headed. We all want to see more, but you have to at least recognize this is an improvement from the late 90’s and 00’s.

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by JJ on Jul 8, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

tl;dr

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping the Reds winning means the organization is going in the right direction

but as I stated, I’m not convinced they are

I was happy we got Chapman, Hell, shocked we got Chapman. I think it’s intellectually responsible to raise concerns about the acquisition, however.

I don’t see more fans coming to the ballpark. GABP is a nice juke joint. They should sell it out on the weekends for 1st place club, no? Ticket prices are some of the most reasonable in the league. I just want to see the Reds start to sell out on the weekends, that’ll tell me they’re moving more towards the right direction.

If we’re not going to add payroll, and we’re capping ourselves, then we need better asset management. That means buy low, sell high. We got Brandon Phillips for Jeff Stevens. Think of what we could have flipped him for over the last couple seasons. Now if we’re going to add payroll and keep Phillips as a guy to build around that’s a completely different argument. My argument on selling players at their highest value is contingent on the Reds capping their own payroll, rather than being flexible with the payroll.

The Dusty did not attract good FAs to come here. Corey Patterson? Willy Taveras? Gary Matthews Jr? Orlando Cabrera? Yeah, good players are really knocking down Walt’s down to sign here in FA.

DanO actually drafted well. Krivsky drafted piss fucking poor. Walt’s thankfully turned that around to some extent, but now we need to develop those guys. There’s the rub.

I’m advocating utilizing our assets. Guys in our minors don’t crack our MLB roster, so why not turn a potential minor league never-was to MLB already-is. Obviously I don’t want us to buy high on other players, but sometimes you’re faced with that in order to improve your ballclub. Of course I’m being critical of Reds player development, or lack thereof.

You’re right that I’m not happy b/c of The Lost Decade, but I don’t see a huge push in what I feel is a better direction. The Reds were good in 1999 & 2000. What happened?

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Reds sucked from 2001-2009.

What happened?

All your agruments are based in the past.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What gives you the impression that they're going to make bad moves?

Rolen? The last two drafts?

The fact that Nix, Cairo and GMJ could all be gone by the end of the year?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We keep giving money to shitty CFers

When’s that going to stop?

We haven’t solved our SS hole. We haven’t been good players in the FA market over the last couple of years, and when we’ve spent money it’s been bad money (read: bad contracts) on questionable players.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that stopped this year

Regardless of what you think of their abilities, Stubbs and Heisey are getting minimum wage. We couldn’t pay less for a CFer.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taveras is still on the books for this year

and we signed Gary Matthews Jr to a minor league deal, which is a step in the right direction money-wise, but talent-wise WTF are we doing? Seriously, why add GMJ to our roster? The fact that we continue to add guys like this to our depth chart speaks volumes.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the third paragraph.

What is it they’re supposed to be doing differently in order to sell more tickets? Casual fans will take a longer time to warm up to a winning team, especially after years of irrelevance. The things Slyde highlighted here are efforts to attract fans by engaging with them or offering promotions. All this “Vote Votto” publicity can do nothing but help get the fanbase energized and the casual fans paying attention.

by the finest muffins on Jul 8, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a marketing guy

but we need to sellout on the weekends. We’re a 1st Place team for chrissakes!

I hope this Votto thing is a kick in the ass and we start seeing more fans find their way to the ballpark.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you're saying is that efforts don't matter, just results?

That’s a fair enough opinion, but I don’t think that’s the point of this post/poll. I think “are you happy with the overall direction of the Reds” is a question about things they’re trying out, not necessarily how they’re working out. I mean, the Reds can’t force people to buy tickets. They can just do their best to market their team, and I think they’ve seriously stepped up those efforts lately.

by the finest muffins on Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and living 750 miles away, I don't know the efforts they've made to put butts in seats

I can only see the lack of butts in seats, which is troubling

When I was in town in June, I just didn’t get the feeling that the Reds were really trying to put butts in seats though. I didn’t see all that many billboards. I don’t remember hardly any TV commercials. And the Enquirer continues to be a barely readable rag.

Although, I did get a Reds glass from Gordo’s thanks to Mads, obc, ’tHan, BK & jch, so there was some marketing!

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 9, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

psssst....

Just read the post on which you’re commenting. The whole thing is about the Reds’ marketing efforts.

by the finest muffins on Jul 9, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

The Florida Marlins do seem to have the formula for small-budget success. They’ve won the WS twice, and they’ve only been in existence since 1993.

However, it’s not a formula for putting buns in the seats. Their wins are followed by fire sales, and I suspect that’s a big reason they struggle so much to sell tickets. Fans don’t just root for the laundry. They get attached to their players.

I dunno…would you think it was a fair trade: a World Series Championship one year, but the next year, all your favorite players gone? Votto, Cueto, Bruce, Volquez, Leake, etc., traded away for cheaper prospects?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 8, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a good business model but not in professional sports.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it consistently delivered positive results, then yes

The Marlins have 2 WS lately, right?

The Reds haven’t had one since 1990 (I read it in a book!)

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

tl;dr

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

your life is better off for it

hey, can anyone tell me of a team who has FOUR of their own number 1 draft picks on its roster? no, you can’t? because there AREN’T any.

by Daedalus on Jul 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce, Cueto, Leake

and who? Was Votto a #1 draft pick? I don’t feel like looking it up.

Oh, nm, I figured it out before I posted. Drew Stubbs. Ha! Yeah, we’re really better off with him on the roster….

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, you think we'd be better off without Drew Stubbs?

He’s 25, superfast, with an OPS+ hovering in the 90s…and despite his failure to make some spectacular plays you seem to think he should have made, he’s definitely an above average defensive CF.

And he’s making the league minimum. Who would you prefer to have on the roster in his place?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Davis' fractured tibula!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted Chris Dickerson, but he's hurt

Now I want Heisey (if that’s our only option).

Or, we get really crazy and get Cliff Lee AND this guy from the Mariners.

Or we go get Carl Crawford and have him play CF. That solves our CF problem, and our leadoff option.

Or what about David DeJesus? He can play some CF. I hear he’s available.

Think the Yankees would part with Brett Gardner? What about Andrew McCutchen? Think the Pirates might trade him within the division?

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Votto over Lincecum.

I’m just sayin’ …

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

this year, definitely

although, Lincecum’s a dirty hippie. They cannot be trusted

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I knew you’d answer no.

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by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I knew you’d know I’d answer no

But, I trust you to tell me what’s the Reds direction. I’m hoping you see it and I don’t, b/c believe me, I wanna see it.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Banana Bob.

I’ve said it before, but he doesn’t cut any corners in his approach to making the organization as a first-class one, from top to bottom. The absolutely uncalled for generosity at the recent blood drive – when they ran out of the giveaway hats, they brought some deluxe ones up from the team shop instead of just saying ‘sorry, we ran out’ (which is expected, and what I have seen happen elsewhere) – is just an example of the class he has brought to the place.

In expanding payroll, opening up the big Latin American signings, and in what he preaches, he seems like a visionary who knows that if he builds it, they will come.

by Gapper on Jul 8, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

he bought the team in '05, right?

between 2000 and 2004, the payroll averaged around $50 mil. this season it’s $76.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it, but the Reds won't be serious players until they consistently crack $100 M

inflation ’twas a joke, and a bad one at that, but I want to see the payroll steadily increase

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

then I stand corrected

but from 2007 to the present, I don’t see a big year to year change, aside from inflation (seriously)

at their current pace, they won’t crack $100 M until 2017ish

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

How's that 100M+ payroll working out for the Cubs?

You have to spend what you have wisely.

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I largely disagree with HLM

but citing an example of a crappy club with a $100M+ payroll does not prove that the Reds would not be (presumably consistently) serious players unless they spent that much.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

*does ... ah, hell, now I'm confused.

My point is that payroll isn’t everything, although yes, adding some probably wouldn’t hurt. Just don’t waste it.

Mostly I wanted to take a dig at the Cubs…

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cubs fucking suck

we all agree on that, and they’ve handed out some piss poor contracts b/c they suck

And they think they’re cursed by some goat….

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're absolutely right it doesn't automatically fix things

but it’d be nice to see the Reds have the ability to spend instead of throw up their hands and cry poor

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your premise, Ash

you have to spend what you have wisely, and IMO the Reds have not done that. Regardless of your payroll, you need to spend wisely. Right now, the Reds have at least 2 contracts that the majority of us do not like, and possibly more.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lotta baseball left, Slyde

I don’t wanna see the rug pulled out from under us

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serious question

at what point would you allow yourself to be optimistic?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using an arbitrary number for a MLB budget has always seen a little silly to me for a number of reasons...

1. The idea that you have to stick close to or increase your budget year-to-year is a governmental budgeting based on spending X amount of money because that’s what we did last year.
2. There is a ton of money that doesn’t show up when you say a $XXX million budget. Does that include the deferred money we’re paying Griffey; does that include a true econcomic view of how we structured Rolen’s deal; does that include the scouting system; does that include the signing bonuses for players that we draft and sign, etc.
3. You know what happens when you start thinking you need to spend a lot of money and make big moves to be successful… Eric Milton happens, Francisco Cordero happens, Ken Griffey Jr happens.
4. We are a mid-market team and should be using that to our advantage. We can go out and buy some talent and re-sign some of our own talent. Harang hasn’t played up to the potential we saw in him in 2006, but if we were Kansas City or the Marlins, I’m not sure we could have been able to keep Brandon Phillips or sign Scott Rolen, etc. However, we can’t rely on spending to be successful, which has forced us to have one of the better farm systems as evidenced by who is on the field today in Cincinnati and how many were drafted by the Reds or obtained by the Reds through trading drafted players.

by Nasty N8 on Jul 8, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hit refresh. It's a Yes vote palooza!!!

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by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

123-1

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by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who voted No?

/SNIKT

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slyde told us what to think

If there is anything we’ve learned around here, its do as Slyde says or else!!

kidding

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by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never seen a poll

with 42 yes votes and 0 no votes. We’ve also never asked “should God make 100 dollar bills rain from the sky?” Amazing the turnaround this franchise has made in performance and public perception.

"We don't worry about the pennant much, we just like to see the boys hit it deep."

by beasleymachine on Jul 8, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Bobby C is the thing that happened to this organization

and now that he has a GM that is competent and whom Bobby C trusts, things are running smoothly.

I liked Wayner, but I don’t think he had the stones to tell Bob no.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 8, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Walt and Bob are doing good

for the most part.
But the real turnaround began with O’Brien and Krivisky.
The amount of talent that Wayne added to the organization in 2 years is pretty amazing: Josh Hamilton, Brandon Phillips, Stubbs, Heisey, Jordan Smith, Josh Roenicke, Bronson Arroyo.
And O’Brien didnt do to badly with Bailey, Janish, Bruce, T. Wood, Ondreresk and Cuetto.
In four years from 04-08- the Reds added a tremedous amount of young talent to add to Bowden holdover Votto- and really set the table for some fine tuning by Walt to bring a contending team.

by davidmac84 on Jul 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

player personnel-wise

Yes, the previous regimes get a lot of credit. But I’d say the Reds didn’t really stop acting like a cheap organization until last season.

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by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember you writing about it

You wondered why the Reds didn’t promote their young stars like other teams did.

I wonder what caused the change.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 8, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I've been told

they’ve gotten some very intelligent people in key places on the business side. Also, Castellini is willing to try anything once.

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by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

People in Philly are killing Amaro right now for that. They mostly scratched their heads in the winter and gave him a pass, but the past two months have brought back Phatalism. I hope to see more this week!

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression that they got rid of Lee and used some of the proceeds to get Halladay. Of course they would be better with both, but acquiring an ace does require prospects.

by Gapper on Jul 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by proceeds you mean $$, kinda

But Lee was pretty cheap this year. The team then turned around and spent a lot of money extending Howard and Blanton. Their payroll this year would be a little higher but they’re definitely not stuffing all their cash under the mattress.

If by proceeds you mean prospects, then no. The Halladay deal came first and was independent. They gave up good prospects to get him, but received fairly mediocre ones from Seattle for Lee. The M’s will likely reap much better prospects for trading 3 months of Lee than Philly got for a full year of him.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly had Lee for a half season.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant that the Phillies were giving the receiving team a full season of Lee

But still got fairly mediocre prospects compared to what Seattle will likely get for giving us only three months of Lee (four with the playoffs).

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes,

my impression was that they traded Lee because they wanted to replenish the farm system after all of their moves. That’s a bit of a dubious decision anyway, but was compounded by the fact that they got crap players back for him. (relatively speaking)

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you met Lisa in marketing?

She’s pretty awesome, and damned good at what she does.

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walt definitely has a marketing flair

lacking in Carl. I dont think Carl was very engaged in the organization.

by davidmac84 on Jul 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree and disagree

sure, o’brien wasn’t a slouch in the draft department and he deserves some credit with this team (even though cueto is really the only stud out of those you listed). but i’m confident that i could draft pretty well if ever given the opportunity. my point is that it’s not rocket science and with average scouting you could strike gold with a few decent players.

but being a GM is so much more than that and it wasn’t until Bob took over and hired Wayne that we noticed a complete shift in acquisitions. i would say the REAL turnaround happened with Walt because his pimp hand is strong. he’s been on the positive end of pretty much every move he’s made so far. would Kriv-dawg have signed Chapman? highly doubt that…

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't see Bruce's name at first, obviously Bruce is a stud so don't give me shit about that

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 8, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

110 yes, 1 no!

I love it!

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jul 8, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Leake didn't catch EVERYONE off guard

Just sayin’. :)

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't make a prediction on ERA

But will this do?

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What part of "I didn't make a prediction on ERA" and "no worse" did you not get?

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

him not catching me off guard = thinking he would be the best pitcher on the staff?

I don’t follow.

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point isn't that no one expected Leake to be a good pitcher

but anybody who thought he was going to be the best pitcher on the staff for the first half of the season is lying. That’s what I mean by him catching us off guard.

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by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should express yourself more clearly

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that's more like it!

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well not sub 3.00 ERA

but I told everyone I knew in baseball fantasy leagues to grab him b/c he was the ground ball pitcher the reds have been looking for since blowing 25 million on Eric Milton. God D**n Eric Milton.

by JoseOle on Jul 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB commentors must be coming over to vote no.

there is a vote for ‘NO’ and that’s absurd…

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Tidbit I just twittered

Over their last 162 games, the Reds are 85-77. As long as the Reds don’t implode like they did last July, that looks to get better.

Also, at the BtB power rankings, I have the Reds projected to win 90 games this year. That’s just based on performance to date, though. If you weight it with preseason projections, you’re probably somewhere in the mid-80’s.

Still. Feels good.
-j

by JinAZ on Jul 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

That Jason Werth must be AWESOME!

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'd still rather have Felipe

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by Cy Schourek on Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

One final push folks!

30 minutes left to push Votto over the top!!

Get off this blog and go vote 50 more times.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

2-0 rox!

Runners 1st and 3rd one out!

by chazzilla on Jul 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I had to sift through

a bunch of bad imagery to find this.

I dream of starting a three-man country trio called the Chixie Dicks.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jul 8, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

must've been boobs

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HAH!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How's that different than an RR outing?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

rr outings don't smell like poo

but the monkey that’s always playing with itself at the zoo does remind me of JCH :-)

by 'tHan on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I call shenanigans.

My self, JCH, Mads and others always smell like crap. You (and most others) are too drunk to notice.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you 'tHan. DAMN YOU!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he thinks he's people!

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 8, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soylent Green'd

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAH!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that ona billboard today

it really feels good to be a Reds fan in town, everyone is pulling for Votto, even zoo animals

by Red_Poodle on Jul 8, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

erase the last letter before the @ and vote again.

or just type in asldhfasdfhdaoeifh@gmail.com and go to it!

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 8, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

so...

Who was the trouble-maker(s) at VEB? I sifted through some of it but it’s a pain on mobile.

by DocRam on Jul 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Boobs went over.

I caused “problems” because I posted something over here and they took offense.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

god-forbid!

You mean you posted something that wasn’t Bird-friendly…on our blog?!
Cubs fans must really have a problem with us then.

by DocRam on Jul 8, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Man the Rockies are just handing it to STL. This is awesome.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

STL is 1-9 against the Rockies the last two years

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals:Rockies::Reds:NL West?

or maybe Cardinals:Rockies::Bronson Arroyo:Blue Jays?

by the finest muffins on Jul 8, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curiousity was killing me so I turned on the radio broadcast at work

It’s 3-0 in the 4th. Carp’s at 61 pitches, Ubaldo at 38. Giambi’s still getting it done.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a problem

Phillips 4, Cabrera 6, Votto 3, Rolen 5, Bruce 9, NIx 7, Stubbs 8, Miller 2, Cueto RHP

Dusty’s incredible line ups.

Why isn’t Heisy back in the line up today after yesterday’s heroics?
Why isn’t Janish back in after his great game.
I love Nix, he’s got to get a bit of PT…but the tining is wrong.
Plus Slocab could definitely use some extra rest going into the AS break.

Other than Mark Berry is general things are going very well.

Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...

by Madville on Jul 8, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

regardless of record

Dusty is still an idiot that should not be allowed to fill out a lineup card.
Heisey is a better player than Gomes- not a little better but significantly better.
You should give a aging SS rest- when you have a better defensive option on the bench- you should give him a couple games off every week.

by davidmac84 on Jul 8, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgive my interrupting, but...

kendrick

VS LH .318/.374/.555/.929
VS RH .237/.268/.419/.687

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by membengal on Jul 8, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted no, but I don't know if it counted because it was from my phone

I like the way things have worked out. The players I wanted to play are playing, for the most part. Except, this is still the team that plays Cabrera at short, and Nix and Cairo too often. This is still the team that signed Gary Matthews Jr very recently. I also don’t trust the coaching staff and whoever it is that tells the hitters to swing early and often.

I’m concerned about what might happen when Dickerson comes back. Is Heisey out?

I’m also against trading for Cliff Lee. We need a bat and glove at SS. We don’t need a SP.

The players I like have performed well, but I still don’t trust Walt and Dusty. So true to Slyde’s request, I didn’t vote Yes just because they are winning. I’m not convinced.

by Brian B on Jul 8, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

SNIKT!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's an honest question: What would it take for you to be pleased?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful what you wish for...

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, so rec'd.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

my god, genius

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So THAT'S why it seemed like she was trying to suck out my soul

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

it comes out of there? I need to be more careful!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If I haven't lost mine by now, you're not gonna dude

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pleased with the direction of the club?

I think I outlined that pretty specifically in my post.

I’m as pleased as the next guy with all the winning.

by Brian B on Jul 8, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No. Everything you said were short-term answers.

The direction of the club goes beyond this year. What would make you pleased down the line? That’s what this is about and that’s what Slyde presented.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how you read my comment?

If they stopped fucking around with the bad decisions that I pointed out, then they’d gain my trust, and I’d be pleased with the direction. As it stands, I don’t know what the direction is because the confusing moves send mixed signals. Just because we’re three games up on July 8 doesn’t mean signing Cairo, Nix, Cabrera, GMJ is the “right direction.”

I didn’t think it would take this much explanation.

by Brian B on Jul 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Cairo, Nix and GMJ aren't gauranteed to be here next season.

O-Cab, yes that’s an issue and I do think the front office likes him. For all we know, Cairo, Nix and GMJ are nothing more than trade bait. Because you’re confused doesn’t mean there isn’t a plan — and if there is they’re sure as hell not going to broadcast it.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

they certainly don't address glaring holes, that's for goddamn sure

we haven’t had a SS since I guess FeLo? We haven’t had a CF since Josh Hamilton, and Griffey before he got slow and injured?

the one FA SP they went after didn’t work out (Milton), so they haven’t gone back to that well lately

and their solution to C was Ramon fucking Hernandez, nuff said.

And let’s not forget they haven’t addressed LF since they gave away Dunn for peanuts.

The only significant hole they’ve addressed is 3B with Rolen, and no one in their right mind would have predicted this outcome.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) Ramon has been one of the better catchers in the NL

2) Ramon and Hanigan together have been great.
3) They spent two first round picks on catchers in the last five years.
4) Jonny Gomes gives you a fair approximation of Dunn’s production at a much lower cost, and perhaps a better clubhouse presence.
5) Stubbs and Heisey aren’t nothing.
6) I’m still not quite sure what to make of Orlando Cabrera, a free agent signing, myself, but we are winning with him. Maybe good, maybe bad, but overall effect is good.
7) Shush.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 8, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orlando Cabrera

is mediocre at best.

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's baffling to me

I know he’s not good. He doesn’t do much with the bat. He doesn’t do much with the glove. But he seems to have a good effect on the clubhouse, he’s not really adversely affecting the play on the field, and I have no confidence that the Reds would be where they are if Cabrera wasn’t on the team and Janish had gotten his playing time. And I like Janish!

He’s utterly confusing to me.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 8, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For some reason I buy the value of Rolen's intangibles much more easily

Seems like there’s a lot written about how he’s helped BP, Votto and the others. I’m not sure what Lando adds in this department and I’d rather see Janish in there, even now with our record. That said, if Lando over Janish is our worst decision this year, I’ll take it.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm no Cabrera fan

…. but it sure seems like everyone in that organization has nice things to say about him and what he means to the team. I know this site hates to hear about veteran presence, clubhouse leadership, whatever else you want to call it…. but I think it matters a little. To a young, talented team playing a long season it probably helps to be able to talk to a guy who’s done what they want to do. They listen and they watch how he prepares. His skills may have eroded, but he still sets an example. If you pull him out of the regular rotation, I think it fucks up the entire chemistry of this team and sends a message that this person they all look up to is not worthy.

So, I’m torn on Cabrera. He frustrates me as a player, but I also am not quick to say he should be replaced – especially by Janish. That seems crazy.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd for speaking from my heart

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, too, hate to agree with this but I remember something Sparky once said

and several members of the Big Red Machine concured with. I’m paraphrasing here.

“I never had to police those guys or keep them in check. They did it themselves and during a weird time (socially in America) where you had blacks and whites and hispanics all on the team they had their subsets. Joe could talk to the black guys and Tony could talk to the Latin players and John could talk to the whites and Pete could talk to them all. We never had infighting, our best guys wouldn’t allow it. And some of our role players kept our big guys in check.”

I know the world is much different from the early and mid-70s but I have a feeling that O-Cab fills some sort of role we have no fucking clue about. We all know how big Rolen’s been in changing the clubhouse here. Maybe O-Cab does something similar? Maybe he’s Rolen check? We don’t know.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I recall from The Machine,

Joe didn’t do much mentoring of the young black players. Griffey hated his guts, and Foster turned to the chaplain for counsel.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were more than 3 black guys on that team.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

oh, did she now?

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAH!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, but I couldn't remember all the specifics

Maybe the book is wrong, but that would shatter my image of the Poz.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Poz was writing things from what he saw and from what he heard.

Sparky’s quote was coming from an old man who would never say anything bad about one of his former players. My guess is that Poz is closer to the truth but I wouldn’t discredit Sparky either.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

As probably the biggest Lando detractor, I'll just say

that clubhouse presence would mean a lot more if the guy wasn’t playing at replacement level.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love Hanigan

Unfortunately, we need to see more of him, when healthy

Your bff is not Adam Dunn. Not even close. We need to put this myth to bed that Gomes replaces Dunn, and gives us “value production”

Stubbs is a glove man who looks to be struggling with the glove recently. I want to see more of Heisey. So far, I love what I’ve seen. I want to see less of Stubbs at the plate.

No one knows what to make of Cabrera!

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what to make of Cabrera

a shit sandwich

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't print that, can you?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

I think the club is getting better. But playing Cabrera, Nix and Cairo at all is not good, I think Sutton, Janish, and Heisly would have gotten same/better results and w/ the upside of developing youth. I also think that a team wide strategy of swinging at the first pitch will kill them in the second half if they stick to it.
I am so sick of the 7.3 miles of chatter I have rad about a Lee trade, i can not wait until a deal is done so I don’t have to see anymore silly offering. (I think we could get Oswalt on a rental for cheap)
My bet is we will pick up Lee, but it will cost a lot more than a few AAA guys like people Hope.
Hanagan, Wood, and PTNL, that’s my guess, feel free to tear me to shreds.

by Eastwindquinn on Jul 8, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I figured you would vote “no” too. :)

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by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes

because I was talking about more than just the on-field product, though I think they are moving in the right direction with that to, which is what the question was asking, not are they a super-great-awesome-flawless team now, but are they are moving in the right direction and I answered yes to that question.

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by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

missed your post, me too

I had to step away to finish the pudding I was making and it was over when I got back

by Red_Poodle on Jul 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It took dating a Welsh South African to find this out

but “pudding” is a British term for generic desserts.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was asking a legitimate question

my SiL is a vegetarian, and is considering going full vegan b/c of her issues with animals and all that jazz, so I’m always glad to hear, read or see when all the animal is being used, rather than the animals just being killed for food

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 8, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

It’s about dessert in general!

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to ask what the fuck you were talking about...

there’s meat in pudding? But as soon as I heard meat and pudding in my head together, I got it. Well done.

by DocRam on Jul 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals announcers are fucking idiots.

Glass houses, I know, but these guys make me happy to have Thom and Welsh

by coviner on Jul 8, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Rox guys are okay

One of them praised Tracy’s aversion to bunting early in the game. I like!

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

4-1 Cards...

I would say that Carpenter might be pissed off enough to swing the bat at the fielder his next at bat. But let’s be honest, he won’t get another at bat.

by coviner on Jul 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Hah!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rox Rally?

One more run across here in the 5th. Man on first, nobody out. Keep it up Rockies!!

4-1 now.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't admit it

They’ll invalidate the whole process and just let Manuel pick another Phillie.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He should.

Shane Victorino is completely deserving.

by chazzilla on Jul 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB
Coming face to face with a buzzsaw this game.

I just find this funny.

by chazzilla on Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially after they were going to "light him up" or whatever that dude over there said last night.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes...

But I would be a whole lot happier if they didn’t resign Dusty, regardless of the outcome of the season.

by RampantRedsFan on Jul 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

What's better?

That the Rockies are winning right now or that the Rockies are winning by pounding out 9 hits against Carpenter thru 5 innings?

Answer: Yes

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Is Leatherpants an idiot?

On Twitter: “Congrats to Joey Votto! Well deserved!” Announcement isn’t until 6pm. Oops.

by Daedalus on Jul 8, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

But does he really know?

Or is he just tweeting a logical scenario to seem like he’s in the know…

by DocRam on Jul 8, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn't said anything about LeBron, has he?

That would be phenomenal. And ESPN would put a price on his head!

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of LeBron

Are we believing all the buzz about Miami? I’m not. Think it’s a smokescreen.

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly have no idea.

I think almost every team is still kinda in play.

by chazzilla on Jul 8, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he doesn't just stay with the Cavs

I think the Bulls do make the most sense, with the talent they already have. While the Big Three of Wade, Bosh and LeBron in Miami would be incredible, they’d have to fill out the roster with junk,

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was reading Simmon's article today and agree with what he said.

Those three would have to play almost all the minutes every day—and if one was injured they’d have to play even more/be screwed.

by chazzilla on Jul 8, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading Simmons now

He can be douchey sometimes, but dude knows his shit when it comes to the NBA.

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a douche most of the time. And yes, he knows the NBA,

though his Celtics pieces anger and bore me. And I’m a Celtics fan!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah his Celtics pieces are obnoxious

But I still consider any Simmons NBA column a must read.

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No idea.

What I do know is I will not be tuning into “The Decision” at 9. I got me some baseball to watch!

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to stuff I've read

which I can’t find now, LeBron will actually be making the announcement in the first 10 minutes. I agree, that’s silly, but that’s what I heard.

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last 50 minutes will be:

God Cleveland I’m really so sorry. But South Beach has hot bitches.

by chazzilla on Jul 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And no state income tax!

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just.....bizarre

Is he willing to go to jail for fucking a 15 year old when he was 29? Or is there a statute of limitations on that sort of thing?

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 8, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know. I don't live in Delhi.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 15 year old he met at a bar

Gloria James. Class all the way.

"Dusty Baker is the best manager in the game....until the game actually starts."
— Doug Gottleib, ESPN radio, June 3, 2010.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 8, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pay me $200 and I'll tell you!

I heard that story on the radio this morning. This article doesn’t mention some other odd details about the “father” – Princeton grad, law degree from Chicago, former attorney for the SEC. But what really makes it suspect is this: In his suit, Stovell claims he has a very clear recollection of the night he had “consensual sexual relations” with Gloria — in fact, he even remembers apologizing for his sub-par performance. Dude, as long as you were satisfied it wasn’t sub-par!

None of this makes any sense.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the announcement is happening in the first 10 minutes

which has led people to speculate he’s leaving cleveland.

the last 50 minutes would be used to apologize and say goodbye

by 'tHan on Jul 8, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope he has a hat at the table representing each team

then i hope he picks the heat. then i hope john calipari calls him and they talk for a while. then i hope he changes his mind and goes back to cleveland

by 'tHan on Jul 8, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE the hat idea-

except I hope in 3 of the hats there are death adders ready to cleopatra him, and in the other is an armed claymore mine.

;)

by Gapper on Jul 8, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I can’t really believe that he’d drag this out and go on national television to extend his middle finger to Cleveland like that.

by ken on Jul 8, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

LeBron is a lot of things, but i really dont think he’s a douche. he really does seem like a decent fella, as NBA players go.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 8, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one listens to Stephen A Smith

except maybe you

the rest of us are unfortunately within earshot of him….

and one of the guys I know @ ESPN posted on his facebook that LeBron was going to South Beach, so I believed him

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, lebron pulled the biggest douche move ever

i have no problem at all with him leaving cleveland, but to do it in such a ridiculously over the top and public manner was an unnecessary “F.U.” to the city and fans that have supported him.

by 'tHan on Jul 9, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, at the same time. That franchise did little to ever show it was

serious about winning anything. He made the Cavaliers relevant and they gave him Eric Snow and Mo Williams.

Was it a douche move? Yes. Did the Cavs ever plan on winning? Fuck no.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 9, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love how he went out of his way to emphasize that Akron is not Cleveland last night

“I was born in Akron, I grew up in Akron, I’m from Akron, Akron will always be home, people in Akron will always love me, etc”….

We should have had a drinking game every time he said “Akron”

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I almost threw out my BACK RUNning to get the hell out of this godforesaken town..."

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 9, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming

…. that he’s assuming.

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by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's because Votto is

the only Bowden draft pick still in baseball.

I dream of starting a three-man country trio called the Chixie Dicks.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jul 8, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was drafted by them...

Drafted by the Montreal Expos in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 2004 amateur draft.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic,

but my statement was amazingly not far from the truth.

I dream of starting a three-man country trio called the Chixie Dicks.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jul 8, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

those were the only two i could think of. jason larue? i guess some of the garbage he drafted with the nationals is still drifting in and out of the majors. there must be someone good i’m forgetting?

by Daedalus on Jul 8, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zimmerman?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Viva El Rockies, Muthafuckas

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 8, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

And TLR has the squeeze on...

First and third, one out, down by three runs in the 7th.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Making the losing come to him.

Control freak.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 8, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it even though it's from a Cubs site.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna lie, I'm slightly intrigued by "The Club" on MLB Network.

I’m not Ozzie Guillen fan, but it might be fun to see the inner workings of a MLB club, even if they are probably pandering to the cameras.

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 8, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been waiting for it since they announced it back in April.

Guillen (who I actually like), Williams and Reinsdorf are some of the most bullheaded guys in baseball. I can’t imagine this isn’t hysterical.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the Pale Hose

check out who’s now “kicking the tires” as it comes to Cliff Lee.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to imagine they have anything left to deal after

emptying the system for Peavy a bit.

Perhaps they will offer Beckham. But he still isn’t hitting…

When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.

by membengal on Jul 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beckham and Konerko

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if the Mariners were desperate for catching -- AJ.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Konerko and Pyrzinski are OLD. Why would Seattle take old dudes when they want prospects?

And why would you think the White Sox would send 2/9 of their starting line-up away?

That’s flat-line dumb.

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by membengal on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Up until their little run, the Sox were trying to ship both Konerko AND AJ.

You asked who do they have to deal — I gave you an answer.

Would it be a dumb move? Sure. But so was signing Juan Pierre and that’s turned out well for them. Their minors are decent, not great. You can win the AL Central with decent — especially if it means keeping Lee out of Minnesota.

I, too, would never make that trade. But Kenny has HUGE balls.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Konerko does. I thought AJ was just under it. Did he play the FULL 05 season

with the Whit Sox? I thought he fell just under it.

Also, wasn’t Konerko on record (prior to the 11-game run) saying he didn’t want to be traded but he would if it meant making the team better?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

who the fuck is going to hit behind Rios?

Or ahead of Rios, for that matter.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Jul 8, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's up to Ozzie.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys, if the Rockies can close the Cards out and we win tonight

we will have a lead at the break, regardless of our last three games…

If we don’t win, we still can’t do worse than a share. I like it.

by coviner on Jul 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

article by rosencrans

puts reds in good position to possibly get Lee

http://mlb-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/23080618?tag=globalNav.mlb;headlines

twins, as he says here, still seem the most likely to pick him up

by cokane on Jul 8, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh oh

Cards bring the tying run to the plate in the form of their All-Star!

(All-star catcher that is)

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

And its over!!!! 3.5 game lead

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

HUZZAH! 3.5 lead.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 8, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Leaving him on the bench would be criminal

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 8, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

20 minutes

chairman of the committee

by boobsinho on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Jim Day said on Twitter

that he will be talking to Votto at 6:30 regardless of the outcome. Get your champagne ready cus he is going to win! Even zoo animals were helping

by Red_Poodle on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do the Cards face the Astros next?

that is a good team toi turn things around against. I hope we continue to perform strongly. We have a big opportunity right now.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 8, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

We need to keep cruising

4 against the Phillies while St. Louis should have 3 winnable games in Houston. I like where we sit now, but baseball can change in a blink of the eye ( or at least a weekend series).

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 8, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

First of all, it scares me that someone named Lucky Pierre works with kids

(I can only assume that is your real name).

Secondly, this reminded me of some conversations I had a Fantasy Camp with guys who had been going to the camp for years. They said it has always been great, but a couple of years ago the Reds took over management of the camp from an outside contractor (who happens to still help out with the camp) and the guys said that the camp improved by a couple of notches. The Reds have taken the time to make it something special and to make it big league all of the way.

Like you said, I think it’s another sign that Castellini and the other owners are taking pride in their team and want to make it a quality organization from top to bottom.

Red Reporter or follow on Twitter: @redreporter. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!

by Slyde on Jul 8, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

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