Red Reposter - A Vote For Votto is a Vote for America! And Canada!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT
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Red Reposter's Fine Ham Abounds brought to you by the Canadian Fine Ham Association. - One Bajillion - Times you should Vote Votto before Thursday's deadline.
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We are all rightfully outraged by Joey Votto's All-Star Game snub
but he's ok with it. That's just how cool this guy is. The prettiest girl in high school won't go out with him? No prob, 'cause he only dates college chicks. Who needs an All-Star game when he's gonna be the World Series MVP anyway? Early returns suggest he is leading the Final Vote by a narrow margin over the Nationals' 3B Ryan Zimmerman. Keep voting Votto. Right the Wrong. -
Billy Wagner has seen the writing on the wall
"I won’t win the final vote," said Wagner, a six-time All-Star who is 0-for-2 on final vote ballot in 2005 and 2006. "I’m not a fan favorite. (A leading sports network of dubious reputation) is running promos for Joey Votto, what’s that tell you?" Keep voting Votto folks. Right the Wrong. -
Scott Rolen was calmer than Jerry Manuel about that controversial HBP call
"Without a doubt, it hit me," Rolen said. "I knew something was wrong when the runners weren’t advancing. (Umpire Jerry Meals) said I swung and it was a foul tip. "I said, ‘if that’s your call, you got it wrong.’ I wasn’t going to yell and scream." The umpires met and changed the call to a hit by pitch, forcing in a run. "Looking at the replay, they got it right," Rolen said. "Good for them. That’s all you’re looking for." Manuel was ejected when he blew a gasket over the call. It led to a six-run inning and a Reds win. -
Aaron Harang was supposed to beat Mike Pelfrey last night
but his back was a bit sore so he sat it out and let Travis Wood do it instead. Harang is trying to sleep it off in order to get out there and beat Johan Santana tonight, but it all depends on how he feels today. Matt Maloney is scheduled to start for the Bats, so I assume he'd be on an early flight to NYC if Harang needs a DL stint. If he just needs a few days, I would assume Micah Owings would get a spot-start. -
Sheldon sez Paul Janish is the first player to enter a game as a sub
and go 4-4 with a homer since True Yankee Paul O'Neill pinch-hit for Rolando Roomes in the 3rd inning on April 18, 1990 (woo-hoo!). What's a guy gotta do to get some playing time around here?! -
Brandon Phillips has been leading-off for over a week now
and he is hitting the lights out of the ball. It was supposed to be a temporary move, as Orlando Cabrera has been awful pretty much all season. "Second was temporary, too, (for BeeP)" Baker said. "Batting second, that’s when we really took off, when he started batting second and (Scott) Rolen moved to fourth." It seems that every lineup tweek Baker has made this season has come up roses. It also means that there is a logical place in the lineup for Stephen Drew when the Reds get him and Dan Haren from the DBacks. -
Make no mistake, the Reds are winning because they are crushing the ball
They lead the NL in team wOBA with .a 347 mark. And it isn't all because they play at GABP, as they are 2nd in park adjusted offense too. David Golebiewski doesn't think it will last though, as seven of the Reds 8 regular starters are projected to cool off over the rest of the season. I figured going into the season that the offense was going to be the weak link, so this doesn't exactly elicit a reaction of surprise from me. I also am fully confident that the rotation and bullpen have under-performed about as much as the lineup has over-performed, so we are still going to the playoffs! Woo-hoo! -
Travis Wood and Chris Valaika have been named to the International League All-Star team
Woody posted a 3.26 FIP over 102 innings for the Bats before being called up to the Reds last week. Valaika is kind of a head-scratcher, as his .293 batting average is kind of hollow. A .326 OBP and a .372 SLG do not an All-Star make (ask Omar Infante). His keystone mate Zack Cozart has performed better, playing a more difficult position while slugging 10 homers and 20 doubles. Regardless, congratulations are in order. Good work Travis and Chris! hat tip to RLN -
Walt Jocketty cannot confirm nor disconfirm the team's interest in Ace-For-Hire Cliff Lee
"We'll do whatever we can to improve the club," Jocketty told MLB.com on Monday. "It's going to have to be a significant improvement to disrupt what we've got -- the chemistry and so forth of the club." One expects that any deal for Lee would center around top prospect Yonder Alonso. The M's are looking for bats and Yonder is stuck behind some guy named Joey Votto. I don't know why, because I've never even heard of him. He never made an All-Star team, so how can he block a top-prospect? I just don't get this team sometimes.
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Hoping Maloney is called up to cover Harang's bad back.
And that, if so, Maloney pitches out of his mind. Because, hey, trade throw-in bait!
When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.
damn that guy's got it all
chairman of the committee
by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if only his glasses had lightning strikes on the sides.
that Tebow T-Bone tatoo is going to be pretty hard to explain in another 10 years, assuming this guy lasts that long, of course.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he looks like Woody Harrelson.
by Brian B on Jul 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the picture is 10 years old
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Photoshopped!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Pssshh. Old news.
I see your SEC trash and raise you — the Big Ten’s garbage!
Yep, she’s pregnant, dipping and drinking! You stay classy West Lafayette!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
well in that case, I’d probably do her if I was the guy drunk off of Natty Ice that gave it to her.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd do a girl that spits? Ew.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
it is really saying something when a girl is too trashy for JCH!
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natty ice is a helluva drug.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming WAAAAY too much. West Lafayette isn't that nice. They spit on the ground.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
other baseball news
I have been on a bit of a Negro League educational kick the past couple years. Check out some info on Cincinnati Tigers who only operated for three seasons in the League (1937), which was longer than the Cincinnati Buckeyes (1942) and Cincinnati Clowns (1943) who each only lasted one season.
The Cincinnati Buckeyes Vintage Baseball Team plays at Great American Ballpark July 18th. I’ll be deep in the heart of Dixie that date. The September 25th game @ Heritage Village field vs the Cincinnati Red Stockings might be an interesting outing, however. Plus, it will be cooler by then!
The Florence Freedom have announced that all kids ducats in July will be $5. Damn good deal.
I missed Baseball Prospectus 10 best baseball radio announcers where does marty rank?!?
MLB’s first Asian manager was drafted in 1985 by the Cincinnati Reds I didnt know that…
Everyone knows the Reds first black ballplayer was Chuck Harmon. Who knows who the Reds first Asian, Latin, South American, Canadian, Australian, African, European and Native American players were?
"then skip it"....
Harang is no longer listed at Reds.com as todays starter
so I guess we have a starting pitcher tonight and his name is MATTY!
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Justin now only has one hand left to vote Votto
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by Slyde on Jul 6, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Matt Maloney is more awesome than all ya all
and he is going to prove it!
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
although
when was the last time Chapman pitched.
Could the Reds use their Cuban missile for a spot start?
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
no they could not
Chapman pitched yesterday.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
And once that's injured he will start voting with his pinky toe.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
might be the fastest green ever
if this comment wasn’t stuck in a Reposter thread
"then skip it"....
Scott Rolen is such a winner...
He won an arguement with an umpire. Is there a stat for that?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
if somebody says xFILP i hope BK kicks them in the ding ding
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it's called BAMF+
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by GrooveLeg on Jul 6, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
A bunch of folks are reporting that the Twins offered
Wilson Ramos and Aaron Hicks for Cliff Lee. Ramos is sound behind the plate, can hit and is major league ready. Hicks hasn’t translated his hit tools to production, yet, but is very good in center field and has a strong arm and speed. Hicks was a first-round draft pick in 2008, so he’s still a pup taking his second turn through Low-A ball.
Can the Reds top the Twins’ offer? Remember, Seattle puts a premium on defense, which makes me wonder if they’d have much interest at all in the likes of Juan Francisco, although he could DH I suppose. If the Mariners are dead set on acquiring a catcher, Mesoraco likely has to be in any deal.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jul 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
Has there been any interest from the Reds in Dan Haren?
I thought he was under contract until 2012 or so.
Plus it would piss off the Cardinals fans if Walt Jockety, Dan Haren and Scott Rolen lead us to the promise land!
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he'd be a much better backup to Hanley than Janish.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
is the Hanley deal done yet?
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i would think stephen drew isnt going to happen
i think management is pretty happy with tubby, and replacing him would fuck with the team’s chemistry
chairman of the committee
Detroit supposedly is hot on his trail.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jul 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Cubs fans. Could you imagaine what they'd do if DUSTY won us a WS.
And Sweet Lou got them nothing?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
god i fuckin love it
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it would probably take Alonso and Mesoraco
Alonso could DH which would negate including END (drat!) in the deal. probably would want maloney/lecure/wood in addition.
i’d rather trade those three for a proven MLB shortstop.
"then skip it"....
for next year?
‘Cause the beat writers were talking with sMarty and Cowboy the last two days indicated there is no one in the starting line-up that the Reds feel needs an upgradin’* Apparently the feeling is the bullpen or rotation might need help, but other areas are fine.
*well, Sheldon mentioned Stubbs, but he added he plays good defense and maybe the meeting with Dusty the other day would spark him.
Seattle probably would salivate mightily over the thought
of acquiring Stubbs. Would you include him in a deal for Lee?
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
why am i agreeing with you
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as one ages one becomes wiser
tis a matter of time before you completely understand and embrace xFLIP!
"then skip it"....
I was gonna say something, but I was busy shitting my pants over the fact that you said something positive about Drew Stubbs
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
what if the Reds got Lee & Franklin Gutierrez?
you’d definitely trade Stubbs then, right?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
they already have Franklin Gutierrez signed long-term
why would they want Stubbs?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
One of them could play left, if need be.
DH, etc. Not likely, but a possibility with a defensive-minded organization.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jul 6, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess so
it just seems like they are identical type players.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not so far
Francisco is all power. Alonso is all OBP. We should take them both to the LHC and smash them together into one uber-player.
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we're talking Stubbs-Gutz
not Yonder-Francisco.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 6, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
so, I wanna talk Yonder-Francisco!!!!
sorry, next time I’ll read farther up the thread. :(
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CHARLIE SPENDS ALL THAT TIME WRITING COMMENTS, AND YOU NEVER FUCKING READ ANYTHING
chairman of the committee
Few people here would,
but I wouldn’t balk IF the reds worked out a reasonable extension for Cliff. If it’s for a rental, then I wouldn’t be interested.
But to gather talent, you have to give it. Otherwise, Hanley would already be here
Franklin Guittierez is much, much, better
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
strange that Stubbs might worth an upgrade
but his wOBA is 45 points higher than Orlando Cabrera.
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Overall, Stubbs has been a league average hitter so far this year
Cabrera has been much below that. That’s not to say that Stubbs >>>> Cabrera, I think there are things that Cabrera does that bring him closer in value, but to talk about Stubbs as a possible place for an upgrade and not Cabrera is weak. And no, I don’t think Janish is an upgrade over Cabrera.
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yeah
the first hole i’d fill would be SS. been saying that since before Royce…
i’d also shore up the bullpen asap. get some power arms in there.
"then skip it"....
we got some power arms down there
plus the missile will be up here any day. You are terrible at this game.
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would Burton and Chapman do that?
I’m not sure, but I could see the Reds not making any big deals because they have “help” on the way. At the very least, they need to add a legitimate bat to the bench. Someone who can start if Rolen, OCab, or BP gets hurt.
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What about Grandal?
Would you be willing to deal him?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Would the Reds have to sign him first?
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
or at least 6 months
as a PTBNL.
But yeah, he’d have to sign first.
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Shit, and I haven't a thing to wear!
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As a PTBNL
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You can still send a handful of guys plus an "option for later"
correct?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the list has to be resolved within 6 months
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So just in time them, right?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no, he can't be dealt for a year after signing
so the earliest he could be a PTBNL (assuming he signs by the 8/16 deadline) is February.
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That's a fucking stupid rule.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a fucking stupid rule.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost as dumb as not being able to trade
draft picks.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought i said that plainly enough
i guess not, eh?
frickin OSU dudes, ya know?
"then skip it"....
No. You didn't explain shit.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That he didn't explain?
Or it’s a stupid rule?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i honestly overestimated the audience
i thought it was common knowledge teams had to wait one year before trading draftees.
"then skip it"....
Forgive me for assuming
the MLB didn’t have bullshit rules held over from the fucking 1910s.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
they have gotten rid of the reserve clause
which was a plus.
that no gambling regulation is still in effect, sadly.
"then skip it"....
I disagree. The reserve clause
is still in effect for guys drafted and want to go pro.
It’s not the exact same rule but it’s pretty fucking close.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we certain it has to be resolved in six months?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_to_be_named_later
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I thought it was weird too, but people like me and Fay and sheldon, and Jacoby and Dusty and sMarty
are more concerned with Stubbs’s lack of improvement in cutting down on his K’s, especially with Heisy in the wings.
Of course, it’s when I look at that list of people that I begin to question whether I am being too hard on Stubbs. I don’t see him as a hole in the line-up that Sheldon apparently sees.
I thought he’d say they could use an upgrade at SS. Stockholm Syndrome from this place, I guess.
instead he mentioned Stubbs and I almost choked on surprise. I said a few more starts for Heisy, not “CF needs an upgrade.” why won’t those idiots listen more closely to me?
I'd do Mesoraco/Yonder/maloneyorlecure for Cliff Lee right now
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
i would to
Cliff Lee gets us a World Series.
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i will kick you in the ding ding
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
I'm assuming getting kicked in the ding ding lowers your xFLIP
while kicking someone in the ding ding raises your xFLIP?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Justin would do Maloney all by himself.
by Brian B on Jul 6, 2010 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Seattle puts a premium on defense
but I have a feeling that they might have realized that they do need some offense somewhere in the lineup. I’d imagine that players like Francisco and Alonso are more attractive this year than last year to them, but I’m not sure if either is attractive enough to be the centerpiece of a deal.
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francisco sure isnt a centerpiece
Alonso could be. He was a high first round draft pick who is still pretty highly regarded.
how bout Bailey and Alonso? would that get the deal done?
"then skip it"....
would you want a pitcher with a bum shoulder
Bailey may be pitching in August but this could turn into severe surgery too.
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I imagine some teams out that would prefer Francisco
His power is undeniable and he’s shown much more in the minors than Alonso. And he’s actually 3 months younger than Alonso.
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An AL team most certainly would like him more.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
juan's got big power
but suspect defense and that .311 career minor league obp completely underwhelms me
i sure dont give up a cy young pitcher in a deal where he’s the centerpiece
"then skip it"....
sure, but some people think they can teach plate discipline to a 23-year old
but you can’t teach him plus-plus power. For a team like Seattle that has had the worst DH for several years now, I think Francisco might be attractive.
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If Seattle puts a premium on defense, then why'd they not re-sign my boy, and then recently trade to get him back?
Russell Branyan just screams premium on defense….
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
they played him @ 1B last year, I thought
but yes, I am a dingus. Guilty as charged
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad I didn't end up going to King's Island Sunday
Seems the power went out, and now people are pointing fingers.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
i saw that
was only out three hours so i wouldn’t offer a refund either.
anyone who went there that day had to expect long lines and frustration. and lots of guys who take off their shirts in the line queues mainly to show off their ink. meh.
"then skip it"....
Sucks for everybody
If I were Kings Island I wouldn’t refund any money, but I would give everybody who was there a complimentary one day pass, it makes for good PR. Plus KI makes money on people in the park buying food, souvenirs, and playing games. I don’t think they would lose too much money doing that, and it is just good customer service.
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by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
weather is different
Kings Island can’t control the weather. But this was because of their mechanical issues.
It is kinda like flying. Many airlines won’t do anything to compensate customers if they miss a connection and are stranded due to weather. Yet if a flight is delayed or canceled at the fault of the airline which causes a customer to be stranded they will usually provide them with a hotel.
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I was the first one to get that story and the park spokesman flat out lied to me.
He even went so far as to stick his phone out next to a passing ride to let me know that the power was on. Turns out the power was only on for the kiddie rides. He really didn’t want me to send a crew. I did anyway.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
Fay is quite the investigative journalist
A Matt Maloney is a registered guest at the team Hotel.
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You mean he didn't register as "Flannery O'Connor"?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
There's a name I haven't heard in years.
by Brian B on Jul 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
just like the ocean under the moon
chairman of the committee
by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the same as the emotion that I get from you.
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what about stubbs straight up for carl crawford?
it would give the rays longevity in a guy similar to crawford but more raw, and it would give the reds an upgrade at center for the rest of the year. would either team do that?
chairman of the committee
neither team would do that
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if one team wouldnt do it, why wouldnt the other
im looking for discussion
chairman of the committee
I imagine the Reds would need to include another player, maybe Alonso (isn't Pena a free agent at the end of the year?)
but then you are getting into whether or not it is worth half a year of Crawford to trade two cost-controlled guys.
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What I mean is, would Crawford be that piece that brings the championship?
I’d feel confident in our chances with Cliff Lee (assuming the Reds don’t give up any key current pieces). I’m less confident that Crawford would have a similar impact.
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by Slyde on Jul 6, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
same here
If we’re giving up prospects, give me Lee.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
its a coin flip for me
i like Crawford OBP the past two seasons and he’d solve the leadoff hitter issue. a defensive outfield of crawford, stubbs, bruce is pretty, pretty, pretty good.
"then skip it"....
true
But pitching almost always wins in the playoffs. Lee/Cueto/Arroyo/Volquez would be niiiiiiiiiiice.
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Harang in the Hound's spot?
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Harang could take Janish's spot for all I care
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
dunno
i’d say the 1990 Pirates and the 1990 A’s had better starting pitching than the Reds…
"then skip it"....
Maybe the Pirates, but the A's staff was so over-rated
Stewart was the bomb, but Welch was a dart-thrower and Storm Davis and Mike Moore couldn’t have held Danny Jackson’s hands.
Their bullpen, outside of Eckersley was good, but nowhere near the staff the Reds threw at them
I watched a show on the 90 All-Star game yesterday
Welch started for the AL while Armstrong started for the NL
Dibble got the loss and Eckersley got the save
That year it would have made sense to play for Home Field advantage … only Oakland would have earned it.
Pretty crazy to think about.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I think they said he had 18 wins at the AS break!
Eighteen!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Great OF D, and we'd have a guy on base for our 2, 3 or 4 hitter
oh wait, on 2nd thought, with Crawford on base, I fear BP would up his GIBP total(s)….
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
right. so do you think it is?
i’ll go ahead and get the ball rolling. I would not trade Stubbs for Crawford, because even if you re-sign crawford it’s going to be at a cost, and we’re already going to have to pay large-ish contracts to cordero, arroyo or Harang, Phillips, Rolen and Lee with raises to a ton of other guys. It’s nice to still have some pre-arb and arb guys
chairman of the committee
see my response to obc
I wouldn’t bitch if such a deal is made. I like Carl Crawford, but I’m not sure that’s the best direction for the Reds to go. Funny thing is, I don’t think Rays fans would like the deal either.
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i still think stubbs will turn out much more like grady sizemore than willy taveras
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I think he'll be somewhere square in between them
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though I've been told
that guy caught everything!
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Just looked at Cameron's career numbers
.250/.340/.446 with a .346 wOBA. That sounds about right for Stubbs, though I’m not sure he’ll ever match Cameron’s best offensive years.
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Cameron went nuts in Seattle for a couple of years
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I'm not convinced he didn't juice
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i was looking for it
but things got a little crazy with that GIS. Proceed with caution.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take that.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
watching sportscenter
John Buccigross: And the big three would be who? LeBron, Wade and…..?
Shelley Smith: Haha! Yes! Exactly!
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sportscenter is unwatchable
the doofus anchors are terrible, the whole lot of them.
"then skip it"....
Hey y'all, watch this!
Brooklyn Decker is on Bravo tonight at 11:00 PM, yum.
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leave the tan blondes to me, son...
you can link to alyssa milano whenver you please
"then skip it"....
I read that as "god people".
This made me laugh because a church is involved.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I would. Especially if Maloney pitches well tonight.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not
the only way I would give up Wood would be if Alonso and Mersaraco weren’t a part of the deal.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
Travis Wood can help the Reds now
and next year, I hate to give up our pitching depth, as we can see right now, our depth in the starting rotation is crucial.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
AAA
plus every pitcher is one pitch away from being injured.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
he is helping the Reds
and if somebody else goes down, Wood can continue to help the Reds.
My point stands.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
you like Mesaraco better than Alonso?
this is a joke, right?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Alonso and Chapman?
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
just throwing it out there
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if someone else wanted to pay all that money for him
they woulda signed him
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
they know a helluva lot more about him now
than they knew 4 months ago.
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and has he really had enough serviceable outings to count on two hands?
it seems the very fact that Chapman is not already in the Show is proof that he is not the shiznitty that everyone had hoped.
Not to say he couldn’t be. I just don’t think his value has increased since he signed.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He ain't that far away
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i hope you're right
You’re the insider! Really not trying to hate on ol’ Chap…just saying.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Understood
Teams didn’t get to see much of Chapman in live action before the signing. Some thought he may need to go to Single-A. He’s at least proven that he can handle Triple-A. I think most teams would have taken a chance on that, had they been confident that he was at that level.
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im sure the Reds weren't the only interested team
watching the kid throw triple digits would be more than enough for midmarket level teams. the upper crust teams only want to spend that dough on someone who contributes right now…
"then skip it"....
Alonso and Chapman for Lee?
If Lee signs an extension, yes.
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I'll see you in six months when you let this joke go
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this is the first year you've said you wouldn't trade him rightfuckinow...
glad to see you’re making better decisions this year!
"then skip it"....
No way on trading Chapman
Only true blue chip prospect in the system.
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by Slyde on Jul 6, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If all it took was Wood and Alonso to get Lee
You do it in a heartbeat.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
i'd trade wood, alonso and any reds prospect not named Yorman, Aroldis or Yasmani
"then skip it"....
if Wood and Alonso are already in
I’d add Frazier and Mesoraco to the no-trade list.
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Would that beat the Twins rumored offer?
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with one other decent prospect?
I’d say yes. If you added Francisco to the deal, I have little doubt that’s a better offer.
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Meso-Rake-o
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by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not saying he is a no-trade
just that I wouldn’t include him in a deal that already included Alonso and Wood.
Take one of those out and I’d put Mesoraco in their place.
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i'd trade three non blue chippers for Cliff Lee (Cy Young award winner)
who was the last man to pitch for the Reds who won a CYA?
"then skip it"....
Should have had Danny Jackson in 88
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Oral often is
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by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice catch
I forgot about him winning it in ’83.
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I hope good
otherwise, he’s a witch!
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i had forgotten Denny
and i saw the dude pitch at Riverfront.
wasnt he notoriously moody?
"then skip it"....
If you can read this...
SCREW YOU! GO VOTE FOR VOTTO, SLACKER!!!!!
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 6, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This team needs an ace.
We don’t have one right now. It’s amazing how well we’ve done with a bunch of # 3 starters (a couple with potential to blossom into a 1 or 2).
You have no idea what you will get from Harang or Bailey, and honestly it’s been more good than bad. Cueto can be very, very good, but has also at times has not been good.
Arroyo more times than not will give you a quality start, and the same can be said for Mike Leake, but his innings will be limited in the second half.
It’s too early to tell about Edinson Volquez, but I think it’s fairly obvious he will be on pitch counts and inning limits like Leake. It would be a miracle if he was as dominant as he was in 2008.
Get Lee. Not only does it give you a bona fide # 1, the move will help improve the bullpen.
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I think the most compelling argument for the Reds getting Lee
is that if they don’t, the Cardinals will.
I don’t really buy that it is because our pitching isn’t good enough.
As some old timey coach said: your role is what you eat at dinner. I would feel confident with at least four of our starters to take the ball in game one of a playoff contest.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cards will get one of Lee, Oswalt, or Haren
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
We get Lee
They have to overpay for Oswalt or Haren, and Im not sure Cards would deal Oswalt in the division.
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Two amazing things just happened
1) ESPN just showed that Votto leads the league in WPA
2) ESPN discussed WPA!
chairman of the committee
Must be a joker in the control room
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
Pictures or it didn't happen.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wayne Turner'd
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
good god, there's a blast from the past
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
He was clutch
I had a class with him too….all I rememebr though is a girl made herself look like a jackass begging for his autograph one day.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
speaking of, what are your thoughts on WPA?
i really like it. I don’t think it’s predictive at all, but I think it does a great job of showing how much impact a player has made so far. Am i right?
chairman of the committee
yep
the only thing I really don’t like is that it assigns all defensive value to the pitcher and all offensive value to the hitter. Not sure how you remedy that though.
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HUZZAH!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
who DVR's something like that?
aside from people who needs wheelbarrows to carry their platinum balls
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, what you're thinking of sucks.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He was confusing it with Yuengling?
by Brian B on Jul 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Votto maintains his lead after day 2
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Votto still leads the vote on Day 2
and now Youkilis is first in the AL.
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That voting trade off thing between the Reds and Red Sox must be working.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i love the idea
but is this just a thing reds fans are doing? are red sox fans adding votto to their ballots?
chairman of the committee
I don't think the Red Sox have publicized it much
but maybe they will wear those shirts soon!
I informed a Red Sox fan relative of mine when he posted his “I voted for Youkilis” thing on facebook, and it was news to him.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
yeah
i saw the reds announced the alliance, then i went to the red sox website, and it said nothing about votto
chairman of the committee
I bet Youk's getting a bump from the Reds. Votto, not so much from the Sox
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked on the Reds site too, though
and couldn’t find anything other than the same mention the Red Sox site has, buried in the general press release.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Right, and I have no way of knowing if the Red Sox announcers are doing the same.
Clearly, we need some cross-blog communication!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Like
this?
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the art work!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Over The Monster
isn’t even campaigning for Youkilis, though they did note in a FP post on the 4th that he was snubbed.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
some Reds fans may feel a connection to Youk since he's from Cincy
but it’s doubtful many Sox fans have similar feelings for Votto.
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Yeah, I agree.
It seems like they’ve done a better job of selling Youkilis to Reds fans than of selling Votto to Sox fans.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Youk went to Sycamore HS and UC. He's an easy sell to Cincy.
Swisher, I’m betting, is an easier sell to northern and eastern Reds fans as he was born in Columbus and Swish went to OSU. Also, he’s from WV so he has the Appallacian fans down.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Swish went to high school just across the river from me!
a good friend of mine loves to tell the story of how Swish could never hit his breaking ball.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 6, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah!
One of my paper advisors in college — his son played travel ball with Swish — he told me Swisher hit everything that was dead red but when it came to a ball with movement he looked awful.
It wasn’t until Bob Todd got ahold of him that he could stay patient enough to hit breaking pitches.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
For the most part.
I have — at the high school level — seen some kids absolutely destroy curves and knuckles and whiff on heat. It depends on the kids’ bat speed.
A kid that can throw in the 90s in HS can strike a TON of people out.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
There is this press release
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
awesome release
ya know, RR was the first place I saw this proposed. Just saying.
chairman of the committee
They read us!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, do you mean by me?
If so, then it was first proposed by my friend the Red Sox fan.
by the finest muffins on Jul 6, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all because of John Kerry
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Ha, the Nationals and Rangers have an alliance for a "third base ticket"
Guess that’s not working as well…
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
In honor of that news
I’m going to submit another 25 votes.
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More reason to hate tOSU
While there is very little recruiting news as of yet, there is one tidbit that is a bit troubling. According to a couple of people, recruit Anthony Davis Jr told a radio show this morning that John Wall is being investigated and thus he didnt know what was up at Kentucky. This statement likely has little truth, as recruits arent likely the people who find out if a school is being investigated before the school does. But what it does probably mean is that opposing coaches are passing that information on to Davis. Since the other two schools that are supposed finalists for Davis are Syracuse and Ohio State and Boeheim is Calipari’s friend…should we all start egging That Matta’s house now, or wait till next week?
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
Or, you know, it could be Boeheim. Since, you know, he's TOTALLY CLEAN!!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Go get Lee!
1. He may not be as expensive as some speculate. From an article on ESPN the Website:
• Two years ago, CC Sabathia was the hot July trade commodity, and Indians GM Mark Shapiro sent him to Milwaukee for outfielders Matt LaPorta and Michael Brantley and pitchers Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson. LaPorta and Brantley are still trying to establish themselves in Cleveland, and Bryson has a staggering 55 strikeouts in 31 1/3 innings in Class A this season. The Indians think he can be an effective big league setup man one day if he stays healthy.
• Last July, the Indians traded Lee to Philadelphia for a package consisting of Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Jason Donald and Lou Marson. Carrasco is 7-3 with a 4.38 ERA for Triple-A Columbus. Marson is hitting .185 between the International League and the big club. Donald looks like a serviceable utility player, and Knapp hasn’t pitched this year after undergoing arthroscopic shoulder surgery in September.
The lesson here: It’s hard to spin two months of any player into gold, no matter how big the hype. Lee has already been traded twice in the past year, and each time he gets moved, the acquiring club is getting less time from him.
The Twins offer isn’t quite what it’s been made out to be – Ramos is really struggling in AAA this year and Hicks is repeating low-A ball, possibly because he struggles against righties. I’d think Alonso and Wood would look much better to them.
2. There’s little risk of offering him arbitration. If he accepts, they can easily use Arroyo’s money to offset much of a one year contract(Harang’s money is going to be needed for all of the raises due elsewhere); if he doesn’t, they’ll get the Yankee’s pick (you think anyone will out bid them?) and a slot pick.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Yeah but Seattle will be stingy with Lee.
Because they can be. Plus, apparently half the league is interested.
that being said, I think the Reds have the prospects to match other teams
just build it around Alonso
Alonso + Wood/Maloney/LeCure + 1 lower prospect
Francisco + Frazier + 1 lower prospect
Would either of those get it done? Would we want to do it?
It really depends on what the Mariners are looking for
If they really want a catcher, then Mesorasco is the best we can give them. Is he good enough to build around? No idea.
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It'd be a good time to sell on Mesoraco, though, even if it'd be a gamble.
I still only REALLY like a Lee trade if we can lock him up. But, if it takes Mesoraco to win a WS in 2010, I’d do that too. I’d do Mesoraco, Frazier, LeCure
yes but who would you TRADE?
"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki
Why?
He certainly isn’t worth as much right now as he was last July, or even this off-season (when he was traded for 3 meh prospects).
No one is going to go bonkers for a guy who’s only going to be around for less than half of a season, probably. The Yankees won’t be real players; they don’t need him this year, and will think they’ll snatch him as a FA for just the money, not money + the prospects it will take to trade for him.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
hm, good point
but I think Seattle may be more demanding, and I think they’ve said as much, but my memory is faulty.
Ramon's not starting again
The lineup, via Fya:
Phillips 4, Cabrera 6, Votto 3, Rolen 5, Bruce 9, Gomes 7, Stubbs 8, Miller 2, Pitcher TBA
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Dusty is fuckin' with the Mets
He won’t announce that pitcher until the last second as the righty-lefty decision may factor into whether the Mets get Jose Reyes back into the action.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year
Still, quite odd that Gomes is hitting behind Jay against a tough lefty
There's a theory that you are better off with same handed hitters against heavy change-up pitchers
since change ups tend to be more damaging against opposite handed hitters.
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dunno
i saw the changeup from a lefty better than i did a righty, as a switch hitter.
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I KNEW IT!
YOU OWE ME $50, ’THAN!
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just got me a new sig
it took a while to lose “then skip it”….but it was worth the wait!
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He's a lot like Ewok
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Yeah ... but somehow dumber.
It’s pretty weird. ;p
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
jonny gomes, jay bruce...they play for the reds.
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Ken Rosenthal is all over the Cliff Lee beat
From here:
The Yankees’ interest in trading for Mariners left-hander Cliff Lee is real, but only at a suitable price.
No shit? They only want to pay a price they think is acceptable? Who do those assholes think they are?
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Keep firing Assholes!
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He's a RED!
YNWA!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Great news ...
the Reds are still very much in play for one Cliff Lee.
MLBtraderumors is completely stumped. This could go about six different ways
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Also, possible three-way trade folks. So this is getting interesting.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he is really really good, no doubt
i’m just not sure he’s a star that brings the average fan to the ballpark
you don't think?
i bet if they really played it up, it would help attendance by a couple thousand a night..
me too
are we arguing?
is anyone on this board not in favor of trading for lee? besides justin and his wood/maloney fetish
we aren't arguing
however, i think that maybe lee is like votto.
not as big a star as their talent level would indicate
i'm in favor
but i think it would take a helluva lot less to get him than what has been tossed around in these threads. it seems like the consensus is that Alonso and Wood will have to be part of the deal—i think one or the other… if it’s alonso, then package lecure. if it’s wood then package francisco. individually they are centerpieces of the deal, no need to package the two of them (though we could afford to, i think).
but i am in favor of trading. we’ll see about re-signing him.
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i think the reds might be willing to give him big money
but i’m not sure he’d be willing to commit to cincinnati
If we win, I think he would.
Especially the way this town does build a Cult of Personality around winners.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know enough about lee to make a definitive statement one way or the other
but i’d assume most players would rather sign with the yankees or red sox for the same money
I don't think so with Lee. He's kind of a hick.
Though, I could be wrong.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Would he want to stay if we traded away Wood?
Aren’t they buddies?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 7, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't know about that until after I
posted this. I bet we could get him without Wood and that would make him more willing to resign.
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-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 7, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously none of have any idea of what the Mariners want in a deal
but I have confidence that Walt Jocketty won’t give up too much, at the very least.
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my head just exploded.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
'tHan 90 percent of Yahoo's fantasy players drafted him
even though they knew he was on the DL. Yahoo fantasy users are pretty base fans.
I think he’s well known.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Tons of casual fans play fantasy baseball. It’s why Jeter’s taken high every fucking year and 99-percent of the leagues own him.
Same with Junior when he was here.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with your dissagreement regarding my disagreement!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He's STILL owned by 90 percent of owners.
You can dump an autodraftee.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 7, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not if that player's on the cannot drop list
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
True but Lee isn't one of those.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 7, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised by that
I remember when Cole Hamels shit the bed recently, he was on the cannot drop list, and of course he was on my team
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, although that link lists about 100 trade possibilities, and none of them involve the reds
chairman of the committee
source?
Who is Mr. Jones?
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the fay
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/07/06/harang-to-the-dl/
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
whoah
To the DL?
That’s not good.
Or maybe it is. If a starting pitcher had to get DL’d, Harang’s the easiest to replace.
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with the break
the DL isn’t that big of a deal. He’ll be back in time for his first turn after the break, assuming he’s healthy. This way, they won’t have to fiddle with lots of transactions to make things work and Harang can take his time getting better.
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it's retroactive to his last start, I assume?
6 days ago?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Retro to June 30
He’s eligible to return on July 16th
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Here's teh Fay's
The big part:
Seattle is interested in Yonder Alonso. Alonso was 43rd on BA’s list. But my guess it would take a Travis Wood or a Devin Mesoraco or a Todd Frazier in addition to Alonso to have a chance.
If that’s the case – let’s say it would take Alonso and Wood – would you do it?
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
it's difficult to do it without wood
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what sh...
ah nevermind.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In short
NO.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
say we trade Alonso and Wood.
We make the playoffs, OK. I think we make it without making the trade, and Cliff Lee will not be a Red after this season. This offseason, we’ll then be losing Arroyo, Harang, and Lee, will have already given away Wood, and will still need to go outside the organization to find a SS. How do you expect to trade for a solid SS without pitching depth and without Alonso?
I’d much rather save Wood and Alonso to go after a SS this winter. I just don’t think the improvement is significant enough to warrant a rental.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
mebbe.
not to mention I’d definitely want Wood on the staff if we ever got Lee. They’re Arkansas boys and I think Wood could learn a ton from him. Wood’s a stud.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
its true.
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Couple of things:
1. Lee could be a Red after this season. As I pointed out before, if they offer arb and he accepts, they can free up money by declining Arroyo’s option.
2. Arroyo isn’t necessarily gone (neither is Harang, but it’s looking more and more like he’s done). If they trade for Lee and he declines arbitration (or they don’t sign him to an extension), they have that option to keep Arroyo.
3. The Reds are succeeding right now only because of hitting and defense; the pitching is spotty at best. Further, Votto, Rolen, Stubbs, Gomes, and Phillips (in other words, every decent hitter other than Bruce) is hitting at the very top of what could be expected of them; at some point, two or three of those guys will come back to earth and then this team is in trouble if they can’t stop the other team from scoring.
4. Prospects are a commodity; you need to spend them in the wisest fashion possible. Jockety/Castellini have to see that this team is both (a) gaining alot of buzz because of their success, but (b) living on the edge. Shipping Alonzo (who doesn’t have a position on this team) and another top prospect for a pitcher like Lee sould give the team enough of a cushion to make the playoffs this year (with a pretty good chance of going to the WS) while not gutting the team for the future.
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by sidnancy on Jul 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, I think Votto is hitting as advertised.
I think he’s just really good.
Rolen and Gomes and Phillips are definitely overperforming so far.
Gomes is...
Rolen and Phillips are just going to work.
by Eastwindquinn on Jul 6, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
On #2
I don’t think the timing works on your plan. They will have to accept the option on Arroyo or Harang by 15 days after the World Series. Player’s accepting or declining arbitration usually doesn’t happen until December, if I recall correctly. Whenever it is, it is definitely later than 15 days after the WS.
But I’m also okay with offering Lee arbitration and letting Harang and Arroyo walk. They can still offer one or both of them arbitration and then DFA them later if they change their mind because Lee works out a deal.
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Yea, well
It would certainly be the plan. They should have a good idea what Lee’s plans are by then; he could certainly screw them by doing something other than what he’s telling them.
There are two scenarios then:
1. He leads them to believe he’ll accept arbitration, they release Arroyo, and he declines arbitration. They’ll still have Cueto, Volquez, Bailey, Leake, and Maloney (assuming Wood is traded) fighting for 3 or 4 spots, and Arroyo and Lee are FAs they can pursue.
2. He leads them to believe he’ll decliine arbitration, they keep Arroyo, and he accepts arbitration. Now, it’s just a matter of money for one year. After this year’s (hopefully continued) success, stretching the budget for one year shouldn’t be a problem.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
There is no chance that Cliff Lee accepts arbitration after the year.
He’s gonna get $100M on the FA market after this season unless his arm falls off or something.
So you're saying we should use him up? ... Hmmm.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
That’s fine; the Reds can take the draft picks and keep Arroyo.
However, the economics of the game are much different today. $18-20M/yr might be more than anyone is worth until the economy improves.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
What SS? Why a rental?
You’re assuming facts not in evidence. You don’t give up two MLB ready prospects for a rental and you get 48 hours to work on an extension.
And, all the yummy draft picks from losing two Type A’s and a Type B….just sends tingles into my toes (yes, I’m assuming that both Harand and Arroyo would yield picks)
besides, the Reds don’t have to lose harang and arroyo…
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