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Joey Votto's never heard of Colin Cowherd. Reds win, 8-6.



Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Joey Votto.  The All-Star (vote here!) went 3-4 with a walk, a double, and two home runs.  There's no doubt in my mind that he would have reached base yesterday if he hadn't been ejected in the first inning, and today would have put his streak at 43 games.  Alas.  Honorable mentions go to Travis Wood and Jerry Meals, the home plate umpire.  He conferred with his fellow umpires and reversed a strikeout call on Scott Rolen and instead awarding him first base for being hit by a pitch, which opened the gates to the breakout fifth inning.

Key Plays

  • Joey Votto hit a home run off of Mike Pelfrey in the first inning.  Reds lead, 1-0.
  • The Mets responded with a two-out run of their own in the fifth inning.  David Wright, Ike Davis, and Jason Bay all singled off of Travis Wood, who was making an emergency start when Aaron Harang had back problems.  Game tied, 1-1.
  • The Reds had two runners on in the second, and the bases loaded in the fourth, but couldn't score.  It looked like it might be more of the same in the fifth inning.  Brandon Phillips and Orlando Cabrera singled to open the fifth, and Pelfrey walked Votto to load the bases with no outs.  Scott Rolen was then hit by a pitch, although he was initially ruled to have struck out.  The umpires conferred and reversed the call, and Phillips trotted home with the forced in run.  Jonny Gomes popped out and Jay Bruce struck out, and it looked like that might be all for the Reds.  But Drew Stubbs laced a single to left field, and Cabrera and Votto scored.  Then Corky Miller walloped a pitch into the right field corner for a double and Rolen and Stubbs scored.  Travis Wood then smacked a ball to center and legged out a triple while Miller huffed and puffed home.  Reds lead, 7-1.
  • That hard running might have tired out Wood.  He got in trouble right away in the bottom of the fifth, allowing a leadoff home run to Angel Pagan and a one out triple to David Wright.  Ike Davis hit a dribbler that Wood couldn't field cleanly, and Wright scored.  Jason Bay flew out, but with Wood one out from being in line to earn his first major league win, Jeff Francouer worked a walk.  Dusty Baker went to the bullpen and brought in Jordan Smith.  Smith immediately gave up a single to Rod Barajas and a double to Alex Cora, and the Reds lead was trimmed considerably.  Reds lead, 7-6.
  • Joey Votto hit his second home run of the game in the sixth inning, this time off of Fernando Nieve.  Reds win, 8-6.

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via www.fangraphs.com


Star-divide

Other Notes

  • Joey Votto's two home runs tonight give him 21 for the season and sole occupancy at the top of the NL leaderboard.  He's tied with Jose Bautista for most in the majors.  It was his fifth multi-home run game of his career.
  • Jerry Manuel got ejected in the fifth inning, following the reversal of Rolen's call.
  • Omar Infante went 0-4 with 2 strikeouts.  Ryan Howard went 2-4, but both hits were singles. 
  • Omar Infante has a career .746 OPS against the Mets.  Going into tonight's game, Votto's career OPS against the Mets was 1.016.  It's higher now.
  • The Reds now have a 2.0 game lead on the Cardinals, who were inactive tonight.

 


 

Final - 7.5.2010 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RHE
Cincinnati Reds 1 0 0 0 6 1 0 0 0 8 11 2
New York Mets 1 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 6 9 0
WP: Jordan Smith (2 - 1)
SV: Francisco Cordero (23)
LP: Mike Pelfrey (10 - 3)

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Looks like a fun game, wish I was there!

I don’t get the Cowherd reference. Did he say something stupid on his show about Votto?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 5, 2010 11:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Check this out.

Link.

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by ZJiff30 on Jul 5, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowherd is the absolute worst

Even worse than Skip Bayless…..and that is saying something.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way

I’ve never listened to Cowherd, but I’m rejecting that on principle. Bayless is like the speed of light with regards to terribleness – it cannot be exceeded.

It's summertime - go Reds!

by NYCCats on Jul 6, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bayless is really annoying

But Cowherd combines annoying with extreme stupidity.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't listened to Bayles

but I know it would be ifficult to get much worse than Cowherd

by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bayless is on that God awful First Take on ESPN

If it weren’t for Cowherd, he’d be the worst sports “personality” ever

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

bayless is really really bad

but at least there are moments that he makes me laugh.

cowherd is much worse

by 'tHan on Jul 6, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

we should start a thread

about announcers RR’ers like.

it would have as many posts as today’s Farmer’s Only!

"then skip it"....

by obc2 on Jul 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gus Johnson!

Dude has a heart attack every time there is an exciting play.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gus Johnson is fucking awesome.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite announcer by far is Dick Enberg

he is always thoughtful and insightful and never steers the conversation away from the sporting contest.

He fixes the cable?

by Colin Auscapee on Jul 6, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

you have got to be kidding

Dick Enberg crossed over into old-coot-ville years ago. which is fine, but he often has no idea what’s going on

chairman of the committee

by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowherd is a prick

He lives in my town. He had an affair with my next door neighbor. Ended two marriages.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 6, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was his name?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And that's trifecta for titles, Nukkah. You win sir.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 5, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

So, the Reds' run differential is now up to +51, tied for 4th best in the NL

They’ve scored 27 more runs than the next closest team (Brewers, who scored like 45 of those in 3 games against Pittsburgh)

by jsl413 on Jul 5, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to reiterate..

Joey Votto:

Leader in NL Home Runs and on pace for 43, 5 off the RBI lead, .13 off the AVG lead, leader in OPS by .36 and the only NL’er over 1.000, leader in NL SLG, leader in NL OBP… not good enough.

by jsl413 on Jul 5, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

We all need to keep these things in mind

whenever the Woody Paige’s of the world bring up All-Star appearances as a barometer for the Hall of Fame, individual awards, and a player’s worth in general.

If you walk out of here tonight and see a man c***-flapping, you run with that man.

by Man Mountain on Jul 6, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Freel without Farney.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was a great game.

Cynthia took a bunch of pictures, I’ll see how they turn out and maybe do a fanpost.

I didn’t know how scary it is to see Coco pitch in person. Those 3-ball counts are downright terrifying.

by thevole on Jul 5, 2010 11:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

BECAUSE THE REDS ARE AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

AWWWWWWWWWESOMEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE VOTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VOTTTOOOOOO

HVOTOOO

by jsl413 on Jul 5, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, that HBP thing was really weird.

I love being in a crowd of pissed off Mets fans, though! They even booed the umps as they walked off the field after the game.

by thevole on Jul 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I saw Coco pitch the Saturday game in Cleveland

he almost blew a 4 run lead in the 9th. That would have been fucking awful, to see Coco blow a save around all those Indians fans.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

We had a VOTE VOTTO sign

A few people yelled at me to put down the sign, but most folks all wondered how the heck he wasn’t an All Star… especially after the second dinger.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

cordero also moves into tie for saves in NL

not a hugely meaningful stat, but still cool

by cokane on Jul 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

recing the thread

for the Cowherd reference. I hate to say it, but someone ought to listen in a bit tomrrow to see if he takes back what he said. Then never liusten to him again.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 5, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

dunno if I can stomach it

hearing him is like eating rotten milk. It is bad the when you first drink it and feel the effects hours afterward.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's always given me the shits too.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 6, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will take the bullet. For as long as I can stand the pain.

He’s about to go back to it now. He will be tooling on Cincy fans, based on his tease.

When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.

by membengal on Jul 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wanna know what she was thinking in the first place!

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

My advice is to turn him off

Don’t feed the troll

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He says that "legacy" matters.

He continues to ignore that the manager choice is supposed to catch up situgations like Votto.

People that are willfully stupid deserve a special place in hell.

When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.

by membengal on Jul 6, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He says Votto's stats don't "blow away" everyone else.

Which ignores the fact, that, yeah, they do. Other than Pujols, everyone else’s stats are indeed “blown away” by what Votto is doing.

When not lurking here, the sportsfrog is where I am.

by membengal on Jul 6, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

My "favorite" part was from yesterday when he praised Gonzalez

because he hits in Petco but bashed Votto’s stats because of GABP. And then he praised Ryan Howard, no mention of where he plays half of his games. Heh.

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 6, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never confuse Cowherd with having logic

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Normally don't. Never had before.

Stopped on ESPNWhatever when he started talking about Votto.

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 6, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone catch SportsNation yesterday?

Rece Davis filled in for my ESPN crush Michelle Beadle.

During one of their games, they asked which has a sweeter swing, Joey Votto or some new Wii game that’s a HR Derby type game (didn’t this already come with Wii Sports?).

SportsNation picked Votto, I forget 57% or 67%. Both Rece and Colin picked the Wii game. Colin took some shots at Votto about playing in a small market and no one’s heard of him, but everyone’s heard of Wii. Rece egged Colin on before saying anything about Votto about the All-Star game.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Grudges

I am not familiar with how the All Star voting works, but the reason Votto didn’t make it is because of Manuel. Right? Does the blame go to Reds fans for not voting enough? Either way I hope Votto doesn’t hold any grudges during contract negotiations for not feeling appreciated. I love you Joey ( as much a man can love another man without seeming gay).

by LyotardFactory on Jul 5, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it really mattered how much Reds fans voted

There are a lot of deserving candidates at 1B in the NL, none more so than Albert Pujols. Yes, Joey is having just as good a year, if not better, but Pujols isn’t having a bad year. Sure, the Cardinals also outdraw the Reds, but for everyone in other markets, they know Pujols as “the best player in baseball.” I’m pretty sure he was the leading vote-getter for the NL. There was just no way that Joey was going to be voted in as a starter, and it shouldn’t be a reflection on Reds fans if he wasn’t.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 6, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

when MLB is running commercials that say, “You get to see Albert Pujols do everything well.” I think it’s safe to say that no amount of voting by Reds fans, short of a 1957 repeat, was going to move Votto into the top spot. Pujols had 4.4M votes, more than doubling second place Ryan Howard at 1.7M. Even if Reds fans had doubled Votto’s vote total, he would have finished more than 2 million votes back.

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by Slyde on Jul 6, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also find it slightly irritating

when the BBTN guys get all apoplectic over good players getting ignored by the fans when they their general MO is to hype a select few players and teams.

Now I don’t think they play favorites quite to the extent that some on this board do, but they certainly have a share of the blame for folks thinking that Ryan Howard is a far superior player the last two seasons than Votto.

If you walk out of here tonight and see a man c***-flapping, you run with that man.

by Man Mountain on Jul 6, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that's why I stopped watching those shows

I don’t have anything against ESPN trying to sell their product, but it’s disappointing to me that they do it in such a least-common-denominator sort of way. I’ve started to notice that mindset is moving into MLB Network as well. They still do a great job of covering every team and game (Quick Pitch is a great show), but the studio guys on MLB Tonight fall into the dumb jock act far too often. Then again, it seems like I never turn it on when Larkin is on there, and I KNOW he’s not stupid.

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by Slyde on Jul 6, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

BBTN should be renamed Yankees/Red Sox Tonight

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Votto commenting on tonight's game
"I performed as well as I could in the first half," Votto said. "I didn’t make the All-Star team. I’m over it. Hopefully, it works out Thursday and make it."

He shouldn’t worry. Between all of us voting lie corrupt apparatchiks, and the baseball world ralying to his cause, we should be able to get him there. It’s just terrible that he has anything to “get over” Manuel is an idiot and worse.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 5, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Charlie Manuel

for JNMSG!!!

Ya think maybe the Phillies pitchers are going to be a little upset with their skipper by the time Joey leaves town at the end of the week?

You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

by JasperRed on Jul 6, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

we can only hope that they are

the love fest for Votto on Baseball Tonight was great. They even said they want him in teh HR Derby (however I worry about that affecting players negatively). Then the two guys on ESPN News kept talking about Votto during the highlights saying his name “Vot-toe” insisting that Joey called and said he liked it to be said that way lol. He is getting a lot of recognition for this.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha! ya

i hope votto crushes them. n i hope howard gets like 12 Ks in the series

by cokane on Jul 6, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

That'd be like any other series.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 6, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

Is Howard the single season K leader now, or is that Mark Reynolds?

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reynolds, for now.

Though I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Stubbs by the end of the year.

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by ZJiff30 on Jul 7, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

by thevole on Jul 6, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

if votto doesnt make it

I’m going to one of the philly games with a sign…what should it say?

by Daedalus on Jul 6, 2010 1:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

what do i have to do with this?

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

there are so many terrible things to say

I will have to get back to you with a recommendation. Maybe you should hire somePhilly fan to run acorss the field with it though! A tasing would make the sign even more noticeable.

I think you should take a sign in any case. It’s a great idea.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It should say

Charlie Manuel can consume excrement and expire

That's what she said.

by adaircam4 on Jul 6, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Charlie Manuel can consume excrement and expire . . .

. . . (please don’t puke on me)."

by Brian B on Jul 6, 2010 9:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

ahem

“Fornicating Equine Excrement”

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by ZJiff30 on Jul 6, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie Manuel is an idiot.

You guys shouldn’t worry. Votto will get voted in. It’s Billy Wagner that’s going to get screwed out of the ASG. I love Omar Infante. As a Braves fan, I couldn’t ask for a better BENCH player. That being said, he’s definatly the worst choice for the ASG I’ve ever seen in my life. Mind numbing.

Braves Win! Braves Win!

by Frozen Fan on Jul 6, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I was listening to the Braves/Phillies last night

while running errands and Jon Sciambi said that when Infante saw that he had received a call from the GM on Sunday, he refused to pick up because he assumed he was being traded.

If you walk out of here tonight and see a man c***-flapping, you run with that man.

by Man Mountain on Jul 6, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

we're doing what we can

I just can’t believe Votto didn’t make it—everyone is focusing on Infante, but Howard should not be on the team either. Without Howard, then Votto and Wagner wouldn’t have to comepete for the last spot. Infante could be left off and Wagner could be on the team. It’s all stupid and crazy. I’ve read that Prado can play most infield positions. He’ sutility enough and far better than Infante.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I worked late today, and watched the game on DVR

Joey Votto said “suck it” to Charlie without using words.

Jordan Smith deserves an honorable mention, after a rocky 5th, he really held down the fort saving the bullpen on this 11 game trip.

Travis Wood gave a gutsy performance, his second MLB start, he didn’t realize he was going to get it until shortly before the game, and who knows if he has ever started on 3 days rest. His line score isn’t pretty but he did his job.

Oh I love seeing Rhodes walk off the field after a clean inning.

Another good win against a good team.

Lets get Lee and we get a parade!

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 AM EDT reply actions  

From our friends over at amazin avenue
“The Reds coaches will try to massage Wood through the fifth inning.” — Gary Cohen

I don’t know who Greg Cohen is, but he said that.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Justin what the heck are you doing up at this hour...

What?
Voting for Joey…ah …me too!

Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...

by Madville on Jul 6, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

plus I work second shift, so my day is more of 10AM-3AM.

But I’m voting Joey Votto.

I turned my name tag into a Vote Votto badge.

Viva Votto!

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rock on Shindigger...

Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...

by Madville on Jul 6, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Fay

says if Harang can’t go today, it will probably be Matt Maloney.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 6, 2010 6:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Come kiss me, love, and miss me, love, and dry those bitter tears

My loving you’ll remember for many, many years.
Be happy, love, be satisfied, I left you in the pink.
There’s many a man may want a bride,
Maloney wants a drink.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 6, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'd think they'd let arroyo pitch tonight

And then give harang or maloney another day to either get his back squared away or make it to NYC.

by thevole on Jul 6, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why in the world would you let a guy pitch his second ML start on short rest?

But then not let the seasoned veteran who likes pitching on 3 day’s rest take the mound???? Hard to criticize the Reds when they’re playing well, but it’s still baffling

by Nasty N8 on Jul 6, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

they probably know by now if Harang is available, if he isn’t Maloney is probably on his way to the airport or on a plane to New York.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

Never thought I’d see Corky catching Wood an (maybe) Maloney for 2 of my 3 games this year. Louisville has come to queens!

by thevole on Jul 6, 2010 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How about

Infantecide?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

"I never should have given up the animation rights."

by BobbyO on Jul 6, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Egg?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Land.

chairman of the committee

by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB really need to alter the way the all star team is put together ... obviously an understatement

Keep the fan voting for the starters … however, MLB needs to remove the managers of the WS (what if they’re fired or move on?) and give to the first half manager of the year (Dusty!). Then they need to come up with a system involving the players, managers/staff around the league, press, and themselves to fill in the rest of the positions. It’s not hard, the NFL and NBA seem to get it right. If you’re gonna award home field to the winner, at least let the managers having the best year THIS year fight for it.

Time to bring back Pete .... Pete Mackanin that is.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 6, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

They basically do the first part of that.

From wikipedia:

  • Fan voting (8 players): Baseball fans vote on the starting position players for the All-Star Game, with ballots distributed at Major League Baseball games before mid-season and, more recently, on the Internet. The designated hitter for the AL team is also selected in this manner. This method has been recently criticized because most of the starting players can come from teams that have large fan bases, such as the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox.
  • Player voting (16 players): Eight pitchers (five starters and three relievers) and one back-up player for each position are elected by the players, coaches, and managers. If the top vote-getter at a position has also been selected via fan voting, the second-place finisher in this category is selected.
  • Manager selection (9 players): The manager of each league’s All-Star team — in consultation with the other managers in his league and the Commissioner’s Office — will fill his team’s roster up to 33 players. The NL manager will also select his team’s designated hitter. At this point, it is ensured that every team is represented by at least one player.
  • Final vote (1 player): After the list of 33 players for each league is announced, fans vote (on the Internet) for one additional player, chosen from a list of 5 players that is compiled by the manager of each league’s team and the Commissioner’s Office.
  • Replacements: After the roster is selected, the All-Star manager and the Commissioner’s Office will replace players who are injured or who decline to participate, as well as pitchers who started on the Sunday before the game.

There’s no real reason for the manager to select so many: I’d rather just have him pick enough to fill out the one-from-each-team requirement. But still, I really don’t understand how Votto wasn’t voted in by the players and managers before Manuel had a chance to screw things up.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 6, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would have been funny if the Reds would have made the World Series in 1995

I guess Davey Johnson would have managed the NL team wearing a Baltimore uniform.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thie morning from the fay
I’m guessing Aaron Harang doesn’t start tonight. He was moving pretty gingerly after the game last night. You’d think the Reds would have Matt Maloney here just in case.

Link

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

*this

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

So will Harang fo on the DL, or does someone else get sent to AAA?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Wood goes back to Louisville

and then if Harang is really hurt, Wood can come back.

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by Slyde on Jul 6, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Wood goes to Seattle

Just saying…….a boy could dream.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Harang would go to the DL

it would be retroactive to Wednesday the 30th, Maloney would only get to starts, and Harang could be activated to pitch after the break.

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

*two starts

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.

by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Arroyo goes tonight and Maloney goes tomorrow and they DL Harang...

Arroyo would make the last start before the all-star break on regular rest. Maloney wouldn’t have to pitch again before the break and the 15 days would be covered.

by thevole on Jul 6, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowherd is at it again

he says it’s our fault that Votto didnt make it and we shouldn’t be outraged. I really dislike that guy

by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

not on SVP

there, MMA guy is the guy who mercilessly defends MMA and says everyone else doesn’t understand it. That’s the best fit for MMA guy, IMO

chairman of the committee

by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

At the risk of being that guy

That sounds like a description of soccer guy.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 6, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

and more ed hardy shirts

and more affliction clothes

and more tapout crap….

right now, soccer guy’s lookin’ way bettter

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

MMA guy isn't an ed hardy fan

that stuff is weak.

Affliction, Silver Star, & Death Clutch are where it’s at.

Also, I have a friend that promotes MMA events. He also has his own line of clothing, Gruesome Fightwear. You guys should buy those shirts!

by 'tHan on Jul 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

my wife's cousin started training @ Shamrock's gym up here

and ended up tearing tendons in his hand, and his doc said “no mas”

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

man this is too true

I have a couple “MMA Guy” friends, and they tell me all the time that I “don’t get it”.

I get it just fine. 2 guys beating the shit out of each other. I get that. What I don’t get is why they pay money for PPVs of that shit. Go to a bar or a place that will buy it for you.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boo!

The things he says about UK are worse than what he said about Votto!

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he talks about uk negatively all the time

also he talk poorly about Ohio State football.

He does it because both schools have passionate fanbases

by 'tHan on Jul 6, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah!

keep speakin the truth colin!

chairman of the committee

by boobsinho on Jul 6, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

He is just trying to boost ratings when he does it. Just like a wrtier who writes a hit piece to boost page views.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he talks poorly about osu football?

i might start listening to him, then

cant wait for the Hurricanes/Bucknuts matchup!

"then skip it"....

by obc2 on Jul 6, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

$100

"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."

by Ash on Jul 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit, make it $200

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember Georgetown vs Ohio in March Madness

i will, of course, take the point spread.

"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow

by obc2 on Jul 6, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No spread. Straight-up.

Spreads are for pussies and Italians.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 6, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he hates the Big Ten and the SEC

loves him some USC and the Pac 10, however

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He almost orgasmed when the Texas to the Pac 10 news came out.

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by ZJiff30 on Jul 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like him too b/c he stirs the pot

and I know deep down he can’t believe 1/2 the shit that comes out of his mouth. He just says it to get people to listen and call in.

by Highlifeman21 on Jul 7, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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