Imagine what this game would have been like if the Cubs were good. Reds lose, 3-1.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 3, 2010 7:49 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Randy Wells. Somehow, the Reds were no-hit by this guy for six innings. He ended up going 7.2 innings with a walk and five strikeouts. He gave up five hits and a run. Honorable mentions go to Marlon Byrd and Bill Bray.
Key Plays
- The Cubs had at least two men on every inning through the fifth, and yet were never able to score a run, thanks to their inability to hit with runners on base and a nice play by Joey Votto to nail Marlon Byrd at home. Meanwhile, the Reds only got a Paul Janish walk off of Randy Wells in that same span.
- After having used 101 pitches in five innings, Johnny Cueto headed to the showers having allowed twelve baserunners, but no runs. Jordan Smith took the mound for the sixth and quickly got Ryan Theriot to ground out - the first time in four innings that the leadoff Cub hadn't gotten on. But then everyone else got on. Tyler Colvin singled and stole second. Derrek Lee walked. Smith hit Marlon Byrd with a pitch and the bases were loaded. Alfonso Soriano swung hard and hit a little flare out to center field. Chris Heisey was momentarily fooled, then broke late and dove but couldn't catch it. Colvin crossed home plate and finally the Cubs were on the board. Mike Fontenot popped up and the hope rose that the Reds might escape again, but Geovany Soto then hit a ground rule double into the ivy. Lee and Byrd scored, and really Soriano would have scored too, but he was only allowed to advance two bases. Nick Masset relieved Smith, and after intentionally walking Starlin Castro, got Randy Wells to ground out. Cubs lead, 3-0.
- Chris Heisey singled in the seventh inning to finally break up Wells's no-hitter. Then Joey Votto singled to keep his streak of reaching base alive (it's at 41 now!) and it looked like a rally might be on. Heisey saw what he thought was a wild pitch, and broke for second. But Soto corralled the ball quickly and Heisey hesitated, and was dead to rights. Another baserunning error for the Reds, and a costly one because Scott Rolen doubled. Heisey's run-that-would-have-been did not score, and with runners on second and third, Jay Bruce struck out and Ramon Hernandez grounded out.
- In the eighth inning, Laynce Nix doubled and went to third on Wells's throwing error. Pinch hitter Orlando Cabrera grounded out, but it was enough to score Nix. Reds lose, 3-1.
Other Notes
- The Cubs stranded 17 runners. Bill Bray was the only Reds pitcher to not allow a baserunner.
- Randy Wells had not won a game in his last eleven starts.
- Like the Reds, I fell asleep for a long time before putting together anything useful for this recap.
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The Cubs would be crazy to do that trade.
I think this article is probably bullshit.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
a bullshit article from bleacher report?
isn’t that redundant?
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still another "sources say" story
I expect this is the first of several.
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Nothing worse than bleacher report
Except for RR mobile. Hopefully someday everyone will realize that bleacher report is the worst site on the Internet.
by 'tHan on Jul 3, 2010 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
here is some fine print that, if this is credible at all, i find disturbing:
“It is also expected that the Cubs will ask for an additional player, most likely a minor league pitcher, probably either Brad Boxberger or Donnie Joseph.”
i’d certainly hate to see boxberger or especially joseph go at this point.
by Rearviewmirror on Jul 3, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lord.
I like how he predicts it will happen by tomorrow night.
by chazzilla on Jul 3, 2010 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
tomorrow night our lives will change
tomorrow night we’ll be entertained
an execution what a sight!
tomorrow night
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God? He is the biggest bitch of them all.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 3, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
next week after he sees somebody else's rookie outfielder
I guess Marshall will be on his way out.
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it never had any reliability
it’s the worst site on the ’net.
i have no idea why it continues to get linked on all kinds of different blogs
Pretty incredible.
Some guy off the street claims to have sources? Yeah. Right. I wonder if he knows what balls and strikes are. Why people feel the need to write inane shit like this is beyond me. When you’re wrong, you look like a huge moron, and no one believes him in the first place.
ash asys they are good sorureces
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on my way to the Florence BWW's to watch UFC 116!!!
I’ve got a feeling Brock Lesnar is going to lose, but hopefully he won’t!
I'll be going to my friend's house to watch DC United play the San Jose Earthquakes!!!
I’ve got a feeling United is going to lose, but hopefully they won’t!
Buffalo wild wings was an hour wait.
We wound up at hooters where there is no wait.
by 'tHan on Jul 3, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I got chicken tenders and pitchers of bud select
Both good.
by 'tHan on Jul 3, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome Fight BTW.
Brock was in serious trouble in round one but was able to regain his composure and made it to the 2nd round. He got an early takedown in round 2, and then transitioned into an arm triangle to win via submission. The arm triangle he used is pretty high level jiu jitsu stuff, and I never in a million years would of thought he’d win that way. He needs to give a hefty bonus to whoever his jiu jistu coach is!
I ate at hooters and had wings for the 1st time a couple weeks ago.
I actually really enjoyed the wings them. Plus they had good beer on tap. However, I didn’t like the how i felt when i realized i was checking out our 19 y/o server’s ass.
I get the BBQ shrimp there in the Budweiser BBQ sauce.
It’s a REAL nice low-cal option…leaving room for beer.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Funny, I rather enjoy that feeling
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
you're supposed to check out your 19 y/o server's ass
since in my Hooters experiences, the name of their establishment is quite misleading and very inaccurate. I find maybe 1 out of every 6 is qualified to work @ Hooters.
I’ve found most Hooters do have good beer selection, and the one close to me runs some interesting NFL drink and food specials, which are almost worth going.
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The one in Florence has some pretty great MNF specials
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
not exactly close for me
but I’ll keep it in mind should I find myself in Cincinnati for a MNF game
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 6, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
When I was @ tOSU, we used to watch WWF (now WWE) PPVs @ Hooter's
if you were of age, and there were at least 2 of you, you had to split a pitcher minimum, and get at least an entree
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
there were no minimums
but my brother and i had 2 pitchers of beer and an appetizer.
also, I got chocolate cake, and he got caramel cheesecake.
holy crap
Carpenter had a really bad day, I guess.
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3IP 9H 8R 7ER 2BB 5K
The strikeouts were good, but yeah I would say he got knocked around a bit.
Hell, he is old, the wheels are bound to come off sooner or later.
HE IS HUMAN!
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what the Brewers did that pissed him off
and how it is their fault that he wasn’t on his game today.
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by Slyde on Jul 3, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how slick the Brewers' balls are?
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
i don't know
but they are about to get a suitcase in the face!
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If the score of the fourth game is 6-4
I’m all over that recap.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Would you also accept a 25?
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by Slyde on Jul 3, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, wait, it's another freaking day game.
I’m out for that then.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'll be at the pool tomorrow, so I'm out
perhaps one of the other mods will step up and help a brother out.
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I could write a recap tomorrow
But fuck you guys.
by 'tHan on Jul 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'd love to watch the game tomorrow
and write the recap, but im going to the Worst Wedding Ever.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 3, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like a fanpost recap.
or no recap at all.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
Here ya go:
Reds make it 3 out of 4 on July 4th.
Leake was strong and a big day from Jay Bruce.
Nuxie POG – Arthur Rhodes. Honerable Mention to Slow-Cab and Jonny Gomes.
My name is Madville and I'm a JonnyGomesLaynceNixaddict.
don't forget
Cubs fire Pinella
"I don't challenge Murphy, even if he's 0 for 20. Not him, not ever." - Mario Soto
and during D. Lee's 1st inning AB
the bat flies out of D.Lee’s hands and knocks A.Ram out cold. Unconscious, A.Ram dreams of going to the Reds and becoming the next Rolen 3 years from now. also fuck the cubs.
why is it the worst ever?
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
THERE GAY!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
no seriously, it’s because the people are so dysfunctional. i dont like any of them, and the only reason i have to go is because my wife is playing the harp. and the only reason SHE has to go is because her mother is kinda-sorta friends with the bride’s mother.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
i had some “friends” from undergrad who got married last week. I knew I would hate the wedding so I didn’t go.
But a mutual friend and I do have lunch riding on when they get a divorce!
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i dont see this one lasting. im 95% sure the groom is gay. it would be an extraordinarily sad situation if it wasnt such a farce.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
should provide future entertainment though
so you’ve got that goin’ for you
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
geez no 11-run lead is ever safe in St. Louis.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Ah 12, remember the good old days when the Reds scored 12?
Seems like only yesterday.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Can you gamble on the Real World?
I’d put money down that “Knight” gets accused of rape at least twice this season.
I can't believe they still do Real World
and do they really show the towns? I thought it was just awful bars they showed
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have a membership to Brew Crew Ball
but if I did I would say, America loves you for what you did to Carp
if you have a membership here
You can post at all SBNation blogs. You just have to sign in first, using your RR user ID and password.
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Yeah, blame it on the hats!
‘Cause they’re super ugly. Needs to be said again.
by the finest muffins on Jul 3, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
they are awful
maybe if they dark navy it would be better, but I can’t think of anything. I think they should just not have weird hats. If they feel like they have to do something, just make all the players wear American flag bandannas!
I realize the one style doesn't fit all
But there is no reason they can’t make something of an effort.
These caps are not only hideous, they are hideous.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Also, this just in:
They are hideous.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Reds make it 3 out of 4 on July 4th.
Leake will be strong tomorrow…look for a big day from Jay Bruce.
My name is Madville and I'm a JonnyGomesLaynceNixaddict.
I can't see this happening
but if it did there could be worse things.
Happy 4th of July by the way
"I don't challenge Murphy, even if he's 0 for 20. Not him, not ever." - Mario Soto
I shouldn't worry about this now
but Rolen won’t be in tomorrow, at least not starting. I noticed that he has pretty good numbers against Ted Lily too. I’m just worried about getting a good start to this road trip. It is not going to get any easier in New York.
do, please all of you ...
… take a look at K-Rod’s complete and total wall-hitting, piss-on-his-leg devastating meltdown in the 9th against the Nationatorials.
Just sayin’.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Why no Rolen?
Day game after a day game shouldn’t be a problem.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 4, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense...
but he’s not in.
Phillips 4
Cabrera 6
Votto 3
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Bruce 9
Cairo 5
Stubbs 8
Leake 1
Dusty tries to give Rolen Sundays off
Given his injury history, I think it’s a good idea.
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But usually it's a night/day situation isn't it?
It’s really not a big deal, Miggy’s played capably for the most part.
Dusty hasn't said anything about day/night games
But he has said he tries to give Rolen Sundays off.
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I agree with you bubba
I think giving Rolen off one day a week will go a long way towards keeping his bad back and old muscles in good shape.
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd say they are close enough to equal
i cant imagine Cabrera is much better than a .300 wOBA hitter at this point (he’s got a .282 wOBA so far this season). Janish has a .304 wOBA so far this season in his limited playing time. i dont know if he can sustain that, but im pretty confident he can maintain the .282 that Lando has been carrying thus far.
and of course, Janish is faaaaar better with the glove.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 4, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Dusty really understands how bad Cabrera is
or he wouldn’t keep batting him first or second.
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The last line is the kicker, I think...
even if Cabrera has a slight edge offensively than The Forgotten One, Janish’s glove/range more than makes up for it, IMO.
The next sawmbeech who complains ....
I swear, yo tengo un batto de fuego, comprende?
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
(puts on asbestos suit)
OCab, for all his faults, knows WTF he’s doing at the plate. He can’t execute the way he used to, but I trust him to do the right thing at the plate a hell of a lot more than I trust Janish.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
But you're spot on about the glove, obviously
Which is more important is debatable, but it’s pretty obvious how John Boy feels.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
is swinging very early in the count "doing the right thing" at the plate?
My biggest complaint with SloCab is that his approach is fucking abysmal. Work the count. See more pitches. Stop swinging at the first pitch so damn often.
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
last night's hit and run was a good example
You and I BOTH know Dusty’s gonna hit and run when BP gets on and the mood strikes him. I trust OCab to hit it in the hole more than anyone else that would be in that spot.
(please not: I don’t want Votto involved in a hit and run at all, let the man swing away)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Anybody watching the All-Star Selection Show?
I’ve never watched this before, but I figure as long as I’m home and have TBS, it’s worth watching. I’m hoping for Votto, Rhodes, Phillips, and Rolen!
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
someone should live-blog the results
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Proof that a full head of hair does not a handsome man make:
Cal Ripken, Jr. vs. Dennis Eckersley
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
David Wright to start at third base, last minute surpassing Placido Polanco.
That has to increase Rolen’s chance to make the team.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, Jason Heyward.
Was that expected?
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, he is the annointed ROY!
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WAS
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
thanks for the updates
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Martin Prado will replace Chase Utley at second.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
BP has to be on the team, then.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Go look at Prado's stats, you might reconsider
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Yeah, I'm not too worked up about it.
As long as BP makes it as a reserve.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
nope, no argument with a .336 hitter.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Offensively
Prado >>>> BP
Defensively BP >>>> Prado
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody hear John Prine on Prairie Home Companion this weekend?
I swear, that man makes me cry everytime. Of course, I haven’t slept in a bed for three weeks. Might be a touch emotional.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
daddy won't you take me back to muhlenberg county ..
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Grandpa Was a Carpenter
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 4, 2010 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have such a soft spot for John Prine
and not really sure why.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
they just showed Rolen in the reserves preview ramp to commercial
that bodes well, i assume.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Let's hope so.
I do think since Wright is starting, that allows for Rolen and Zimmerman to back him up.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so who, if not the Prince, is old Milwahwah's pick?
Braun?
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
so then Prince can be left off.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
there's a game thread up now
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That really surprises me!
but in a good way. He deserves it…but one of the 3 position players is likely to get snubbed now.
Cardinals already have four.
Why shouldn’t the Reds?
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry.
You’ll be collecting boatloads of fruit rollups from everyone but me. Stay tuned, indeed!
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
sweet, see you cats in a bit
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The #1 rated station for......DRAMA!
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If Strasburg would have made it over Rhodes
I’da been pissed.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
"There's no one better as far as power numbers than Ryan Howrd."
Yeah. Except Joey Votto.
chairman of the committee
Yeah, they were going alphabetically through teams.
Votto got skipped a while back. I’m pissssed.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There's still the final vote.
I bet Votto’s one of those.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie Manuel can blow me
fuckin choosing Howard over Votto.
I called it yesterday, sadly.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
so votto is out, or just not yet in?
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Not named.
Last chance is the final vote or as an injury replacement.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
injury replacement is still sort of an insult
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
I agree.
This guy is as good as Pujols this year. Some writers were picking him over Pujols to start. Others were suggesting him for starting DH. To not make the team outright is nothing but ridiculous.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My brother on the phone right now:
“I hope Votto fouls a ball off next week and it hits Charlie Manuel.”
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he has some incentive to punish the Phuckers.
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let the campaign begin
we need to email sports writers across the country.
I’m taking Philly myself.
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Kinda not being unfair to Howard
He’s not got bad numbers.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
No reason not to have three first basemen on the team.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad.
Still, with the DH, four is not out of the question, is it?
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
even if you swap out ... say, anybody for Votto
… the lefthanded hitting first baseman isn’t the same as the righthanded hitting third baseman or the relief pitcher. I ain’t defending Manuel beyond the fact that he is trying to put together a balanced team that can win. I would hate to have to leave anyone off the team with JV-like numbers.
But I don’t see that it could be avoided. Someone was gonna get hosed.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
he picked his guy over a better guy
there’s no other way to look at it
chairman of the committee
by boobsinho on Jul 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don't the players make some of the picks, too?
How’d THEY not pick Votto?
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Halliday probably said "screw him
… he hit a home run off me."
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
He can do that. His team won the pennant last year.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
theres no question whether or not he can do it
it was the wrong fucking thing to do. jesus.
chairman of the committee
there is another way of looking at it.
If you are a Phils phan, you would look at it differently.
So this is clearly just homerism on Reds fans part.
If you ask me who I’d rather have, I’d pick Votto.
If I rooted for the Phils and had Howard on my team, I’d argue for him.
He does have some pretty good numbers.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
But they're not as good. Not nearly.
It’s not just Reds homerism. National sports writers were all picking Votto for their teams, some even to start. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch named him the “second best first baseman” in the league yesterday. Everyone but Charlie Manuel recognizes that Votto should be an All-Star. It’s Phillies homerism to want Howard, not the other way around.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
we have facts on our side.
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Phils homerism doesn't enter into it, muffins.
Not beyond Manuel’s choice. I looked up the comparative stats and they aren’t measurably different. A decent series by Howard and a short slump by Votto and they are even.
Here, don’t get me to argue that Votto isn’t worthy, but I don’t see that his being left off the team was an easy choice for Manuel to make. Given all factors, he picked his own guy. He can do that as the manager.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
stop being contrarian dude
this is a reds blog where people pull for reds. votto is the best player in the NL, and if not, then second-best. that’s not homerism. we fucking get it that it’s nuanced and shit, but shut up and root for the fucking reds
chairman of the committee
Um .... you won't influence me with that ....
this reply doesn’t land where it should, OK?
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
and it isn't just homerism
in offensive categories Votto leads Howard by a comfortable margin in every one.
Votto Howard
AVG .322 .296
OBP .414 .353
SLG .567 .506
HR 19 .15
Howard has been very good but Votto has been great.
Howard has 4 more home runs in 3 less games. The old man when for his player, and it fuckin sucks.
I hope Votto crushes these guys next week, hits 5 home runs and gets 20 RBI’s in that series, makes three diving catches, and hit a line drive off of Manuel’s face.
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no clue what this means
but i think you get my point. your patronizing is at its height of annoyance right now, at this moment, when votto just got snubbed. youre not educating anyone by telling us “It’s the manager’s right!” and “You guys are being homers and not thinking objectively!” We’re not idiots. We understand the situation. Take your condescension elsewhere.
chairman of the committee
No problem.
Thanks for the time on this board, folks.
I will invest mine elsewhere.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
dude, you cant come in with a big fire hose and then play victim when someone calls you on it
hang out, but know no one appreciates the patronizing lectures
chairman of the committee
The numbers aren't even remotely close.
Unless you’re talking about RBIs. It’s old people like you that result in other old people like Charlie Manuel being able to get away with picking pieces of undeserving **** like Ryan Howard. He’s a 1B with an .859 OPS. That’s not a fucking all-star, that’s the 8th best 1B in the NL. In the NL. I hope Charlie Manuel has a stroke and dies tomorrow. Seriously.
well, fuck you for the age-ist comment
It’s old people like me who can tell you to go crank off against a wall!
Got any comments about babes or colored people?
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
Whoa.
Um johnu1, despite having been a part of this conversation, I don’t agree with this. Just so you know.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
neither do I like being called "old people like me"
exactly what does that mean?
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
It means, among other things, that your defense of Charlie Manuel and Ryan Howard
is shamefully ignorant and only remotely defensible using old-timey baseball statistics like the ones that Charlie Manuel would believe in.
I do, by the way, have comments about babes and colored people. Joey Votto’s hitting like Babe Ruth and still can’t get a spot on the all-star team. Ryan Howard, a “colored” (I can tell you’re old because you use the word colored, by the way, a term more offensive than any of the age-ist things I might have said) 1B, is not a fucking all-star.
And if you really want to crank up the hostility, fuck your general demeanor. The holier-than-thou bullshit, the constant need to be a contrarian, the uninformed baseball opinions, the hatred for Cubs fans…shit, I think you’re Marty.
by Geki on Jul 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I get what you're saying...
but I think the ‘name-calling’ is over the line. Attack the idea, not necessarily the person.
Too much
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
otherwise known as
//geki’d!
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
I did nothing more than make a legitimate observation.
He made the call to start up with the fuck yous and coloreds.
and you correctly pointed out that Ryan Howard is a colored
and that Charlie Manuel is a good ’ol boy old-timer.
but, most importantly, you shed more light on the fact that people unfortunately give a shit about RBI. When Howard won his MVP, it was b/c of his RBI total, and many of the talking sports heads said so
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 5, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
n00bs, Geki. Geki, n00bs.
Good to see everyone’s been introduced. :)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
actually John
I got an email back from the Philadelphia Inquirer’s beat writer, he said that Votto is better than Howard.
This is not homerism, this is factism, and Manual used truthism.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
but Votto's are better.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
a letter to the philley sports writer
There is no reason Votto should have been held out of the All Star game behind Ryan Howard.
Votto’s slash line is .313/.414/.574. Compare that to Howard’s line of .296/.353/.506. Votto leads in every category by a comfortable margin. Votto has also hit 19 home runs compared to Howard’s 15.
Defensively Votto is much superior to Howard. Using conventional statistics Votto’s fielding percentage is .997 and Howard’s is .989. Looking at advance statistics Votto’s UZR/150 is 8.3 while Howard’s is -5.6.
Finally to this point using another advanced statistic Votto is worth 3.6 wins above a replacement player, Howard is only 1.3.
It is very difficult to find any area of the game that Howard was better than Votto, other than playing for the N.L. manager.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think your last sentence is the dividing line.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
should i send this?
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no harm.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
oh, unless he blacklists your name. that'd be harmful.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
There he is.
No Mets, Phillies, or Dodgers on the final vote list. That bodes well.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
Stupid announcers not even pulling for Joey.
Jerks.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
copy and past my email and send it to sports writers around the country!
we will start a movement that will do nothing other than make us feel a little better!
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by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody notice they spelled Cincinnati "Cincinatti" on the Final Vote ballot?
I’m feeling very marginalized as a Reds fan right now.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
look on the brightside
we still have three players, including the unexpected Rhodes.
Perhaps Manuel was in a bit of a numbers game and felt he could only allow three Reds, and it was between Rhodes and Votto. If that was the case I’m glad Rhodes got it, because he will never have this chance again.
Manuel’s choice may have come down to picking Gonzelaz and Rhodes, or Bell and Votto.
Off course he could have just left Howard off the team, but whatever.
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perhaps he put no time in it and just picked the first 30 guys off the top of his head
chairman of the committee
I'd like to know how Omar Infante made the team.
He’s a bench player with a .720 OPS and average defense. This is like picking Miguel Cairo to be an all-star this year.
That chaps my ass more than Howard making it.
Yeah, Votto’s numbers are better and he’s having a much better season…but Howard isn’t having a bad year.
Infante, however…I really don’t understand that at all.
Ryan Freel shoulda made the team in 2006!
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
98 or something like that
Steinbergs still existed when he played.
The 2010 Reds: or how Scott Rolen Taught me to stop Worrying and love Cold Play.
Hey, anybody remember our outfield of
Dmitri Young, Mike Frank, and Chris Stynes. Otherwise known as Young Frankenstein? That was fun.
by the finest muffins on Jul 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"My rights are being invalidated!"
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"Travis Wood can flat-out run."
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