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Just how good of a season is Joey Votto having?

A few comments lately got me to thinking about how Votto's current season stacks up against some of the best seasons this franchise has seen.  Particularly, this little bit of fawning from Charlie Scrabbles:

i just realized

we are watching one of the best hitters in baseball right now. i dont think ive ever got to witness such greatness. i think this is much bigger than i previously thought.

Turns out, he's right.  Let's assume, just for fun, that Joey maintains his current rates (HR,BB,K, AVG, etc) for the rest of the season.  Following would be his end of the season stats and how they would rank amongst the all-time best single seasons by a Reds player.

Category

Total

Rank

Home Runs

42

7th

Total Bases

352

6th

On Base Percentage

.423

11th

Slugging

.599

9th

OPS

1.023

5th

OPS+

170

6th

Joey doesn't look to crack the top 10 in many traditional offensive categories like RBI, hits, or batting average, but a look at these numbers makes it clear that he's in the midst of one of the best seasons ever by a Redleg.  It's interesting to me that he's only 11th and 9th in OBP and SLG, respectively, but is 5th in OPS.  That speaks to the fact that he's having one of the most complete offensive seasons a Red has ever had and is keeping the company of players like Frank Robinson, Ted Kluszewski, and Joe Morgan.  

Now, this is just a piece of off-day fluff, as many things can happen for the rest of the year and the above numbers are far from a sure thing.  Still, it's scary that Joey is only 26 and has improved his patience and power each season so far.

So here's the discussion question for this evening.  If you are Walt Jocketty, what kind of deal are you offering Joey in the offseason?  He's entering his first year of arbitration, so do you go year to year?  Buy out his 3 arb years?  Lock him up until he's 40?  As a frame of reference, Votto and Ryan Howard will have posted very similar numbers entering their arb years, although Howard was a year older when he got his $10 million dollar reward.  So what does Joey get?

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Amen brother.

As Michael Bluth once said; “You have to lock that down.”

Watch it, ass blood.

by -ManBearPig on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ann’s got a great deal of mass.

Rev. Veal: My wife and I were about the same age when we got engaged.
Michael: [Glancing at the reverend’s wife] Well, yeah, you’ve gotta lock that down.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So rec'd

Wasn’t that movie supposed to come out last year? WTF?

by Brian B on Jul 29, 2010 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I own all three seasons!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

so do i

it all streams instantly on my Netflix.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know. But I have them in DVD for when the computers

become conscience.

/skynet

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ive seen the series several times and bought all three seasons for my mom on dvd

i was over the other day and theyre all still in their packaging

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

When the time comes, you should put her in the

bad retirement community.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green Grove?

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that's actually pretty good if you know the right people.

Their names tend to end in a vowel.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

VOTTO SMASH!

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't rhyme!

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It rhymes the way I pronounce it

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Jul 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

it rhymes for me too

cause i don’t pronounce it like a sissy

by vottosmash! on Jul 29, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Education is for sissies!

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAH!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also rec'd

Stupid Florida would-be Gore voters.

by Brian B on Jul 29, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

just say it like

Mark McGwire putting supplements in his potatoes.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently it's an-drom-a-key

but i always just say andro-mash

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

dumb greek

that “ch” is a hard sound.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 29, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

always, since I'm saying it all the time

jeez

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't feel bad

none of us knew it until after andromache became a gazillionaire on Jeopardy, and then we were all saying it wrong and she had to teach us how to say it right.

most of us continue to say it wrong.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

typical loose Greek concubine

link

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by loose, you mean raped after her husband was killed and her infant son thrown off the top of a building.

…were you on a 1960s jury, by any chance?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 30, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

mythology is anti-fun

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It has a very low xFLIP.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was supposed to be a joke, fuckface.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's ok.

I was there with you.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

(That was also supposed to be a joke)

(fuckface)

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure it was...

I’m thinking that it’s no coincidence that your name is pronounced “An DRAMA key”. (waits patiently to be called a fuckface)

by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bahahaha, any andramaqueen knows that withholding is also a great technique!

So no. :P

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Haha, well played.

Since I was making a joke about your name, I threw one in about mine at the end. Nice pickup.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

get a room you two

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you confusing me with crolfer?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 30, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what did I do?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 30, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought blowme cockface was your temporary porn name.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 30, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

she's right!

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah they need to secure him

I want to see him down there playing first when he is 45. At that point, he might be only as good as Pujols, but that’s ok

by Red_Poodle on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with $8MM/year indefinitely...

…with bonuses for ASG, MVP top 3, playoff round MVP, and each round of the playoffs reached.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that in Canadian or American dollars?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you're getting looney.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than $8MM/year

He’ll probably make that next year even if he just goes to arbitration. Something like $8/$12/$15/$17/$20/$22/$25 on a 7 year deal probably gets it done. That’s hoping you can buy out 4 free agent years for $84 million or so — a bargain when compared to Teixeira getting $22.5MM per year for 8 years or Ryan Howard getting $25MM per year for 5 years. It’s a huge chunk of change, but it’s gonna take that kind of money to lock him up on a long term deal and pass up the chance at a 6 or 7 year deal for more annual salary after he hits free agency in three years as a 29-year-old superstar.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's what he wants.

A lifelong $8-10MM contract may look better than a 7-year $77MM contract for a different organization.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not sign a lifelong contract with the Reds.

Maybe Joey would. Me, no.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

for eight million bucks a year

I’d sign a contract to play a game for my whole career.

even for the dodgers.

you know how much mac’n’cheese you can buy for 8 million bucks?

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this Kraft or off-brand?

I guess my point is that a lot can change in a career – and if it comes to the point where Joey Votto no longer wants to play in this city, a lifetime contract will be a big headache.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you can get the Kraft regular stuff for a buck

and i think you can get the Kroger shells ’n cheese for a buck. hmmmm…i already ate dinner.

and nobody signs lifetime contracts. is that even a thing?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 29, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 6-10 year deal is basically a lifetime contract in baseball.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

too easy to grab him by the handlebars?

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

owen hart'd

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the time

Taking the “under” on Magic’s contract would have seemed like a safe bet.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Annnnnnnnnd green.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC, Tim Wakefield has a lifetime contract, as did Dan Quisenberry.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did away with Wakefield's perpetual club option

Boston eventually declined their 4M option and signed him for a lesser amount.

by ken on Jul 30, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not realistic, though.

He’s already 26. I think $45MM over the next three years and then a seven or eight year free agent deal worth $20MM+ a year is motivation enough to not take $80-$120 million over the next 10-15 years, especially when the Reds will absolutely pay him more than that even if he decides to give the Reds a hometown discount. I’m not trying to be the bearer of bad news or anything, I just think the Reds have waited far too long on the extension front to be able to reasonably expect any kind of substantial bargain from Votto.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right in every way.

Out of curiosity, I wonder how a guy with Votto’s skills and swing projects into his 30s.

To me, he’s been somewhat of a late developer. As I recall, he didn’t have the big power numbers in the minors. Still considered a prospect, I wasn’t big on him. I’d rather see the homers from first base prospects. Joey had doubles (again, from my recollection), which everyone said would develop into power, but that kind of development NEVER happens with Reds prospects. So why would I believe it? Then again, Joey was young at every stop in the minors I think., so maybe that explains it.

Anyway, my point is, I don’t know how long to expect Joey to ride this magic carpet. It used to be these guys would project as stars for years to come. But this isn’t the steroid era. Once he starts to decline, would you want to be on the hook for another 2 years and $40 million?

by Brian B on Jul 29, 2010 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A couple points

First, it’s a good question, and one I think needs to be asked of every player up for a long term deal, and that will only increasingly become the case into the future.

Second, he definitely had homerun power in the minors. He had 22 in AA as a 22 year old, then the same number again in AAA the next year.

Third, I think it’s reasonable to assume players will maintain their skills and performance into their 30s. The best will be good deep into their thirties, but anyone should be solid up until 31-32, especially a first baseman.

I haven’t answered it yet, but if Votto would sign it, I’d do 6 years for as much as it reasonably takes.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my problems always being on the mobile site is that I can't look things up before I post.

So I go on memory. Back then, Adam Dunn was a slugger. Jay Bruce was a slugging prospect. Joey Votto wasn’t. He was under the radar. He did not have any sustained HR totals in the minors, just the one year, really, for the Lookouts. I was especially skeptical that they moved him to AA as a 21 year old after a very average year even for the FSL. One year later, he was ready and in the majors.

by Brian B on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that year in the FSL really skewed the perception of him as a prospect

But there are several reasons why that year was a fluke. For one, the FSL and Sarasota in particular depresses offense quite a bit. Secondly, that was the year of DanO’s silly “take one strike” decree for the lower minors. That idea might be needed for guys who can’t read the strike zone, but Votto has said that it hampered him and he had the worst year of his pro career. It’s not all that far-fetched to think that if Votto had been allowed to do what he does that year that he could have been in the bigs a year earlier. Then again, maybe that year motivated Votto to prove himself even more and turned him into the player he is.

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by Slyde on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can see why it hampered him

Just look at how often he swings at the first pitch now.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, his home run totals were pretty consistent.

2004, 19 homers between Dayton and Potomac.
2005, 17 homers in Sarasota. (in the FSL, that’s mighty impressive.)
2006, 22 homers in Chattanooga.
2007, 22 homers in Louisville, and 4 with the Reds.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see any reason why the Reds shouldn't sign Joey to a long-term, big money contract after the year.

I think there’s a very good chance we’re watching Joey blossom into the best hitter in the NL for the coming decade right before our eyes. Joey’s last two years have been on the same offensive level as Albert Pujols’ career, he’s hard-working, he’s a good teammate, and he’s only going to get better. He’s got Adam Dunn power and an eye that’s almost as good, only he hits .320 and plays great defense.

I say give him the biggest contract in Reds history. I don’t see how you don’t get that done.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

My worry is that the Reds will hesitate to sign Votto and he will leave for Toronto.

Playing in his hometown, in front of his family would be hard to beat. Get him locked up now Walt!

by RedsMasochist on Jul 29, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 years/$55M

11: $7M
12: $9M
13: $11M
14: $13M
15: $15M
16: Club Option for $17M

Who says no?

by Sabo-metrics on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

The again, Troy Tulowitzki, Evan Longoria, and ryan braun have all taken deals at far less money than this

and you’d be hard pressed to say that joey is better than any of those guys, so you don’t always know. Some guys value security.

by kcgard2 on Jul 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a Canadian, so security, I'm assuming, is important!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the key.

You can’t treat this like a free-agent signing because it’s not. Deals like this are never market value. The player trades security for getting a bit less than they are worth.

The big question, like you said, is whether Joey values loyalty being a Red enough to do a long term deal that is a bit of a deal for the team.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also signed within their first year in the big leagues.

This was the risk that the Reds took when they waited to sign Votto long-term.

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There's a big difference between this and those deals.

Longoria signed at the beginning of his rookie year and covers his 6 years of team control, then with 3 team options for his first three free agent years. It’s an absolutely ridiculous bargain of a contract and a total exception to anything else. Braun’s deal and Tulu’s deal each covered three years of pre-arb team control, in which the players make pretty much nothing. This is already our third and final year of that with Joey. If he were to go to arbitration with us after the season, he’d be pretty much assured of making $10MM just for his first arb year. He’s likely to make $40MM over the next three years if he doesn’t sign an extension, at which point he’d hit the free agent market and get huge money. That’s a huge difference from all the deals that you’re mentioning.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Verlander's 5/80 is a more likely comp.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Votto's agents go in using Ryan Howard as a comp.

He got $10MM in his first arb year, then 15/19/20/20/20/25/25/25/23 (or a $13MM buyout in his last year. It cost the Phillies $85MM for his first four free agent years, $44MM for his last three years of team control, and then they tacked on an extra $73MM just for the hell of it. I don’t think Joey will ask for quite that much, but if the Reds wanted a sweetheart deal they should’ve gotten it done sooner. Now Votto knows he’s making big money one way or the other, so you’re gonna have to give him a serious extension to get something that buys out any of his free agency.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody on the lanet knows that Ryan Howard's deal is bordering on absurd

If he doesn’t decline at all or get injured for the next 6 years, he might manage to barely be worth that contract

by kcgard2 on Jul 29, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 10M was for his Super 2

So the Phillies are actually paying 54 for the final 3 arb years and 90 for his first four FA years.

His agent will definitely point to this deal as a benchmark, as he should. But Votto hasn’t had any big payday yet, unlike Howard who’d already signed the 3-year deal for his arb years before getting his extension. Hopefully, loyalty and not having the big payday yet buys us a significant discount with Votto.

by ken on Jul 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't not having the big payday yet have as much effect in the other direction?

That is, maybe he would want the bigger contract now because of the risk that it might be his only one. I’m not saying it would be the only effect, but to me it seems like maybe a wash.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worded that poorly

What I meant is what you’re saying. He should want a long-term deal now to minimize his risk. His leverage at this point is relatively low (since the Reds can go year-to-year with him), which should get us a discount. Esp. compared to Howard, who already had the security of a three-year deal.

by ken on Jul 29, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are fair points

how about Hanley Ramirez, Justin Upton, Tim Lincecum, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Nick Markakis, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Kevin Youkilis, Jon Lester, or Dustin Pedroia? Chase Utley is the only one who got as much as proposed, and all of these bought out none of the pre-arbitration years (except one pre-arb season for Wright). The majority of these guys play tougher defensive positions and many of their contracts cover more prime years than Joey’s would. And most were signed when rates were higher. So I still say the proposal is a very fair one.

The best comparison Joey can legitimately make is Justin Morneau or Miguel Cabrera, both of whom were younger at the time of signing their contracts than Joey will be, and had accomplished more. Ryan Howard’s contract was a free agent contract, on top of being ridiculous on it’s own. I don’t see how Joey is going to get more than an AAV of $13-14 million at best.

by kcgard2 on Jul 29, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

BP, to a lesser extent, as well.

I mean, at least from an organizational comparison to how we treated a “star” player in this circumstance. They went what, 4 yr 27 mill?

I could see them going 5 yr $65 mill for him, with maybe an option year to make it 6/80.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

None

None of those guys was coming off a year like Votto’s (by WAR, which considers position/defense); none was coming off 2 preceding years like Votto’s.

For the Reds to sign him long-term is going to take lots of cash, unless he just loves us bunches.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jul 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Wright 5.8 WAR

Chase Utley 7.3 and 6.6, Markakis 6.3 and 4.2, Jose Reyes and Youkilis 5.7, Hanley had never had a season less than 4 WAR (with 7.5 going into the contract), Lincecum 7.5 and 8.2, Pedroia 6.6. I don’t see where you’re getting this idea that Votto’s season is blowing them away.

Let’s not forget that every single one of those guys (except Youkilis) was younger than Votto is, meaning they had more prime years covered by their contracts. There are several Cy Young awards and MVPs in that group (and Votto might win this year, but there’s a lot of season left). They also didn’t have questions about their “stability” and almost all of them were considered better prospects.

by kcgard2 on Jul 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

If Votto plays like this the rest of the year, it would give him almost 8 WAR; the previous two years were 4.5 and 4 (which is what I meant; I worded it poorly). Utley is the only one of that group with a history like that. Being a pitcher, I didn’t even look at Lincecum.

As for “several” MVPs, if you mean “one MVP in a year the player clearly didn’t deserve it”, then yea, there are “several” MVPs in that group. And the “several” CYAs were won by the one pitcher you named.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, this deal is extremely similar to what Hanley Ramirez signed

and Hanley’s deal covers more of his prime years than Joey’s would. Plays a premium position defensively. The more comparisons I come up with, the more this looks like a realistic deal, especially considering that the market has shrunk somehwat since these comparison signings were made (Ryan Howard notwithstanding – stupid-ass Phillies ruining the market for 1B).

by kcgard2 on Jul 29, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about some strange contract clauses we can work in there?

Like how Oswalt got a bulldozer in 2005 as a reward for something. What do Canadians like? A bulldozer full of poutine?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

A took full of ice!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

took?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 29, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's AMERICAN!!!

/andI’mretarded!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mittens!

All you can wear!

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

a nice touque and a case of beer, eh!

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by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 years at $70 million

considering that this buys out all his arbitration years and two free agent years, and takes him to age 31, that seems like a fair investment on both sides. I might even dream that he’d take less, like spreading this over 6 years.

by kcgard2 on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I could see waiting until they have traded Alonso and END.

So they can maximize their trade leverage. But I want Joey signed long-term before February.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 years! I don't know how much!

It scares me a little, though, that Ryan Howard and Pujols are falling off so much at/around age 30.

by jsl413 on Jul 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols is 2nd in the league in OPS

If that is falling off, then yes, gimme Votto for 6 years.

Howard has a completely different body type than Votto.

by Sabo-metrics on Jul 29, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This, and

Howard actually fell off immediately after his MVP season in 06 (also at age 26, btw).

The reason wasn’t a decline in skills as much as that 06 season being a bit of a mirage. He has always struck out way more than Joey, and only walked at about the same rate. Joey’s already better than Howard was in 06 (other than pure power, obviously), he’s just not as lucky.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah and I don't think Pujols is really starting to fall off

 he is slumping and might be bothered by minor injuries. I expect to see Pujlols improve (unfortunately for us).

by Red_Poodle on Jul 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the rest of the year? Sure

But I think his best year will stay 2003/2008, and I don’t think he’ll be that good again. I think he’s still a great player, of course, but his back problems have made him unable to do with high fastballs what he used to, which has limited his production this year (so far). He’s a ~6.5 WAR player, which is still good, but not the ~8.5 he has been.

by jsl413 on Jul 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I mean for the rest of the year

I think you’re right to expect decline next year, though. I just think he is playing well below his ability right now (a lot of 0fers and low power)

by Red_Poodle on Jul 29, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take him for 6 years either way because, like Pujols, his decline should be slow.

But Pujols is on pace for his worst year (by wOBA) ever. Now, I expect that to change, but he’s clearly? declining. He’s on pace for 5.7 WAR, his worst since 2002.

by jsl413 on Jul 29, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, how could we ever deal with a schmuck only turning in a 5.7 WAR?!?!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I got, I just saw a chance for a funny.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank God, our shortstop's not that bad.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, and even w/ the current depressed rates,

that’s still worth about $20-23 million

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree.

It’s had a .458 and .449 wOBA in the two years preceding this one. It’s had some nagging injuries this year resulting in a pitiful .398 wOBA so far, but it’s one Pujols hot streak away from being right up there with Joey, unfortunately. Please don’t make the Pujols angry. I don’t want the David Weathers nightmares to come back.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also at an age where players plateau and start to come back down.

His back issue has apparently drastically affected his ability to handle high heat (he used to be very good at that) and, unless that works itself out, I think he’s got some 6.5 WAR seasons before he really starts falling.

by jsl413 on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also Albert freaking Pujols.

I’m not gonna write the guy off because he’s only been the second best hitter in the NL for the first four months of the season. I’d be surprised if his numbers weren’t more or less in line with the rest of his career at the end of the season.

by Geki on Jul 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alternate Caption


“Get Stuffed Pujols!”

by RedsMasochist on Jul 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Or "How many times did I (sexually explicit) your (female family member) last night?"

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

Get Bloody Sodded, you Wanker!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

* for that high a number.

Sounds a bit worse without that caveat.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was just last night. And with just one relative.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

still, not enough fingers

This is Joey Votto we’re talking here.

JOEY. VOTTO.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

VOTTO SMASH...

…all the inhibitions of the ladies (and some of the gentlemen) you hold dear.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he only had 30 seconds!

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

twice!

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

so the original caption

does he mean 2 career league MVPs, or 2 this year (league MVP and WS MVP)?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 29, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boom!

I like your think.

BP can win NL MVP!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree w scrabbles

I feel like I’ve taken Votto for granted. And it’s just starting to sink in that not only do we have a really good first baseman, but we have one of the best players in all of baseball.

by Daedalus on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

You know what else is awesome about Joey Votto?

He hasn’t even played a full season yet. At his current rate of 4.4 PA per game, he’ll reach roughly 650 PA this year, at least 50 more than his high in 2008.

by jsl413 on Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Baby update

After being sent home from the hospital this morning, they told my wife she wasn’t quite ready yet. Two hours later her water broke (sort of). Now we’re back at the hospital waiting for things to get moving again.

This baby stuff is tedious. Thankfully there are epidurals.

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah, tell her to hurry up

so you can get back to RR.

At least you picked an off day.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know the epidural is supposed to be for her, right?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit, should've read all the comments

now my joke is totally lame

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joke-stealing jerk!

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

slyde's a sensitive new-age guy

they share all the family roles, and all the family drugs.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I juth had a thip

It tathted a little funny and my tongue went numb, but now I feel thuper!

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

/Gertrude'd

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you do realize the shot goes in the back, right?

You’re going to be feeling really rough really soon!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The epidural is a good thing

but is your wife taking anything?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joey might have a spare digit to help out there.

Sorry for the inappropriate joke, but it was a moral imperative.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosenthal is tweeting

The Astros are sending the top prospect in the Oswalt deal, Anthony Gose, to Blue Jays for Brett Wallace (who was dealt by the Cards for Holliday, then by the A’s for ?)

Wallace much closer to the bigs but sucks everywhere at defense. Should be a DH, but will probably play CF for the Astros

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmmmm ...
Wallace much closer to the bigs but sucks everywhere at defense. Should be a DH, but will probably play CF for the Astros

Well, that should end well.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just kidding

actually, he’ll probably be a 1B, and word is McLane is finally embracing full on rebuilding, meaning probably anyone is available.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Following on that

major discussions are taking place for Berkman.

Not sure why anyone would give up anyone of value for him at this point, though. Angels?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

White Sox

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured as much, but I'm feeling snarky today and saw an opportunity to rip on a

divisional rival.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's always a good idea to wait

until your overpriced fat LF sucks ass and won’t agree to a trade, your over the hill injured overprice 1B isn’t producing and won’t agree to a trade, and the 2nd best pitcher in club history demands a trade with a huge salary so you can get nickels on the dollar for him.

That’s perception, holmes.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see people on twitter saying

the Jays made that deal because they have another trade lined up with a better 1B prospect coming in…… Alonso?

by MixFMKyle on Jul 29, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the hell'd we be getting?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zach Stewart! Bullpen help!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Could we get that Edwin Encarnacion feller as a backup at 3rd?

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.

by andromache on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

for Yonder...I hope Walt's not that dumb.

for Danny Dorn maybe.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bautista baby!

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wait, fuck that

Escobar baby!

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that I'd trade Alonso for Bautista straight up.

Bautista seems like a fluke to me. I have been wrong before, though.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would he be a rental?

If he’s going to continue being a fluke for the rest of the season, I’d still be in.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 29, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's Arb. Eligible next season.

Making between $2 and $3M this. I just feel like Alonso should bring back more. When we drafted him, I envisioned him being our LaPorta for whatever C.C. we may need.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

He didn’t get us CC (Lee) this year. I dont think Alonso is as good as people think.

by MixFMKyle on Jul 29, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how good he is...

I’ve never seen him play, and isn’t he just recovering from his wrist injury? But, when we drafted him that’s what I was thinking. It may not be true, but a man can dream!

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going to be good

He had a terrible first half, mostly because his power was still sapped because of the wrist injury.

In July he’s been ridiculous. Which is why I hope he continues to rake and can bring in a good return in the offseason.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the jays are asking for A LOT more

Just for Downs. They are delusional, but that’s the way it is.

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They didn't ask for much for Wallace.

Of course the reliever market is so bad, they have a high price now. It might come down about 1:00pm on Sunday.

by MixFMKyle on Jul 29, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wallace has no big league experience

And reports have been that they have been asking for a top prospect for Downs. They are not gonna suddenly settle for less and throw in Bautista too.

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2010 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, we know that relief pitching is valuable.

You might as well trade your starting shortstop and right fielder for it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 29, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Wallace be the starter at First Base for the Jays.

Once they rid themselves of the rotting corpse of Lyle Overbay. Maybe they plan on sticking Bautista there. Wallace has been traded four times in the past couple of seasons? St. Louis to Oakland to Toronto to Houston, the guy is taking a baseball tour of North America.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 29, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

so obvious, yet so funny

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not a bad pickup. The Rangers are dead serious ... with everyone else's money!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

But now the Fish are gonna need a corner IF.

Yonder and END for Hanley!!!

Get it done Walt!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why the hell was my answer green'd? Slyde's the one that set it up.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's heterophobic!

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then now is the time to order the pizza.

No reason to wait until she has the baby at 11 p.m. after the town’s sidewalks have been rolled up.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, have you found the straight man yet so you could invite him?

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good. I'm glad his is green now.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huzzah! The Orioles' messiah has arrived -- Buck Showalter as new manager.

/hits laugh track button

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

meh.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buck's pretty good at building teams

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then handing them over to other people who can actually win with them.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Brenley

WS Champion. Bobcat.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Torre also won a WS after Showalter shit the bed!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tejada and Josh Bell have

been scratched.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Do they need ointment?

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jul 29, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards?

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have zero problem with that

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's gonna be sooooo bad in that ballpark

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

those sneaky sunsabiches.

I’m resigned to the fact that at the end of the year, we’ll look up and see the Padres with 100 wins, home field advantage, a typical Adrian Gonzalez year, and a ton of .700 OPS’s from people I’ve never heard of. Ridiculous.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and a .600 OPS from Tejada

dude’s just not good anymore, however old he really is.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gundy's going to be

pissed.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever your answer is to the Votto question,

the only way to make it happen is to buy some tickets, people! Big Bob knows if he builds it, they will come, but he’s not gonna shell out for Votto if we’re averaging 24,000 fans a game in a winning season.

by Gapper on Jul 29, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever your answer is to the Votto question,

the only way to make it happen is to buy some tickets, people! Big Bob knows if he builds it, they will come, but he’s not gonna shell out for Votto if we’re averaging 24,000 fans a game in a winning season.

by Gapper on Jul 29, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

24k per is pretty disheartening.

We have a fun and winning team, we should be closer to 30,000.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we can keep that up.

I know it’s unrealistic for Cincinnati to sell out every game, but 30,000 isn’t.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget that includes a bunch of 14000 games at the beginning of the season

All 3 this weekend should sell out, and if the winning continues I’d bet you’ll see the avg at 30000ish by the end.

Plus, don’t forget playoff revenue!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

cuz I like your think!

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on to your wiles Phil, and they will no longer woo me into bed

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

congrats, pal!

give the Mrs. a high five for me!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 29, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, his first name is Slyde

his last name is Pants. Joanna Rose Pants is still pretty, though.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done. That made me laugh.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

well played and rec'd

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!!

What, me? Being negative? No. Never.

by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. 9 pounds 5 oz!

What you been feeding her?

What, me? Being negative? No. Never.

by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matsutake mushrooms, caviar...

You know, the expensive shit. That’s how the Sofa King rolls!

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats, Slyde.

A hearty rec for your new addition!

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 29, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

common, people

This can’t stay ungreen, when that other comment about the new Ranger went green so fast.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 29, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cantu!

oh wait…

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 29, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Congrats, Slyde!

Another rec, good news should be green news.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats fearless leader!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats, Boss!

9lb 5oz?

Double rec to Mrs. Slyde! I hope you gave her 2 epidurals!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 29, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd, well done

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Jul 29, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that's funny.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

nailed it, kid

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats man!

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Jul 29, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, 9 lbs. 5 oz.?

Sounds like you’ve got a regular Dolly Parton on your hands. Buy a bra.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Jul 29, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you saying she has good peripherals?

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

Another crass display of your transparent attempts to dissuade your friends from suspecting your latent homosexuality. Kudos for the dedication that it took to pull off such an elaborate ruse!

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

who's the father of the baby?!

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

x

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

That made me laugh.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 29, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

hooray!

quickly, buy her a joey votto poster and jersey

by jsl413 on Jul 29, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome! Congrats to you both!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

Love the middle name!

by ken on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"IDK. My BFF Rose."

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me

People by the name of Rose turn out rather epic.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...

by btcoop71 on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

(literally)

It's summertime - go Reds!

by NYCCats on Jul 30, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

congratulations brother!

your xFLIP just skyrocketed.

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

daddy gets rec'd all day

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 29, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many, many congrats Cap'n Slyde.

All the best to all of you.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sorta miss those moments....

Sorta. :)

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoy the living hell out of it sir, you will never see something so beautiful in all your life

From the blinking while they’re trying to adjust to the bright lights to the absolutely insane love you feel while looking at a baby who has no idea what they’re in for. The inherent fear that washes over you while thinking of how you can possibly protect something so pure from the evils of the world, the relief of making it through the pregnancy unscathed and with a beautiful child, the “oh shit, I’m going to have to deal with 16 year old boys coming to the door to take my daughter on a date in 14.5 years”……..enjoy it all right now my dear friend, for life is about to get REALLY interesting. :)

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Capps

A Twin?

You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

by JasperRed on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

for Ramos, nonetheless

crikey. that seems like a bunch.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Matt Capps brought a better return than either Haren or Oswalt.

I give up on trying to evaluate how teams evaluate player value.

by kcgard2 on Jul 30, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it would be a good idea for us to just trade for an ace

and use him in the bullpen.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 30, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

bah, you stole my thunder.

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

They sign that Kiss impersonator

and they might be set behind the plate for awhile.

You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

by JasperRed on Jul 29, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

hitting the road in ten for the first two of the series

This will be the first time I get to see the Reds in Cincy while they occupy first place. I am super pumped. 9am Jack shot!

and no, I will not be the driver.

Where is the best pregame spot ladies and gents? I just need to be at GABP in time to pick up a Votto jersey before the first pitch

by coviner on Jul 30, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

also, would getting a flask for a midgame whiskey and coke be at all difficult?

I will pay for beer all day, but fuck stadium liquor prices

by coviner on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

if you can keep it on your person, you'll have no trouble getting it in

But don’t put it in a bag, they search those.

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by Slyde on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My friend brings in a flask damn near every time he goes.

Just keep it in your waist band and you are gravy. I have seen them check cargo pockets before. Hit up the dollar stand for your cola and you are all good.

Watch it, ass blood.

by -ManBearPig on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brother's, Newport on the Levee

"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brother's is the cheapest option

it also has the slowest service and the warmest beer on tap in Newport!

also, B’s management doesn’t reply to constructive criticism emails submitted by tHan….

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

more love for NOTG

best food truck in the nati

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Food Trucks are the best!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's a food truck?

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 30, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of these

Only, that looks like a shitty one.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that looks awesome

Retractions are for journalists! -Gray

by boobs on Jul 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same idea.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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