Red Reposter - Bronson's Bad Luck, Homer's Healing, and Leake Learning to Lob Less
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
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PrintRed Reposter presents Bronson's Two-Flapped Helmet. GUARD YOUR EARS! With Bronson's. - 13/10 - The home run totals of Drew Stubbs and Jay Bruce respectively. I can guess confidently that not one us at the beginning of the season thought Stubbs would have more homers than Bruce at this point in the season without missed time to injury. There was plenty of reason to believe Stubbs' power surge at the end of last season was a fluke, while it was equally reasonable to believe that Bruce was going to break out and slug 35 dingers. Baseball is funny like that.
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Bronson Arroyo pitched a good game last night
giving up only 3 hits over 8 innings while striking out 5 and walking only 1. The problem was, of the 4 Brewers to reach base 3 of them came around to tap home plate. Tough luck, brah. "You hate to lose a game like that, especially when Bronson was pitching so well," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "It's rare you see three runs and three hits and that beats you." -
If you are looking for Reds to acquire some starting pitching before the deadline
you might be disappointed. The Reds are boasting some impressive rotation depth with Edinson Volquez now back from the DL and Aaron Harang and Homer Bailey just a few weeks away. They likely will not have a problem finding room for all of them either because just as Harang and Bailey will be coming back, Mike Leake will likely need to be shut down. The Reds will make a move before Saturday, but look for some bullpen help or Hanley Ramirez rather than a starter. -
Word from the Reds is that Scott Rolen was a day away from landing on the DL
After missing 10 days with a sore hamstring, Rolen returned to the lineup last night. If he couldn't have played, he would have went to the DL. This is mind-boggling. It took them this long to make a damned decision? Why would you willfully put your team at such a disadvantage? "There were a couple of times (playing short-handed hurt the team) but not really," manager Dusty Baker said. I think it's totally irresponsible. Rolen is clearly a key player on the team and has a long and storied history with injuries. Why not play it safe and just DL him that first day? I guess they hoped he would only be out a few days, but I would think that once day 5 hit you would have to pull that trigger. I don't know. The way this team deals with the DL is absolutely flabbergasting to me. -
Red Hot Mama recommends getting to the ballpark early on Saturday
The game time has changed to 4:10 and the bobblehead giveaway is Homer Bailey. Who says Cincy fans are fed up with Homer? How many washed-up prospects win fan choice bobbleheads? All those "sources" can suck it! Speaking of Homer: -
Hall o' Famer Hal was on hand for Homer Bailey's rehab start in Dayton
Homer only pitched 4 innings, but looked fantastic in 3 of them. "The first three innings were pretty good," he said. "I knew the fourth inning was my last inning so I tried to do too much. I did the one thing I’ve been telling the young pitchers here - don’t try to do too much. Early on, I pounded the zone and I felt physically well. All in all, I’ll take a lot of positives out of this and I know I have a little more work to do." Homer will start 2 more rehab assignments in Louisville before returning to the Reds, so look for him to return sometime next week. Whether he will pitch from the rotation or the 'pen has not yet been decided, but either way it will be good to have him back.
Brandon Phillips and Orlando Cabrera were flip-flopped again at the top of the order last night
Lando led off while BeeP hit 2nd. Collectively, the 2nd hitter has been much better than the lead-off hitter this year, with the 2nd hitter out-OPSing the lead-off man by a count of .824 to .601. Perhaps the fact that Joey Votto makes his home in the 3-spot has given the 2nd hitter better pitches to hit. I know the saber-community is a bit divided on the topic of lineup protection, but it seems like a reasonable explanation to me.
Chris Garber at our sister station Redleg Nation says Walt needs to call up the DBacks right now
"So, why should Jocketty be on the phone with Jerry DiPoto? Because if the D-Backs are trading Dan Haren for nothing, it means they’re probably also willing to trade shortstop Stephen Drew, a 27-year-old under team control for a couple more years. Drew’s not an exceptional upgrade over Orlando Cabrera right now, but the team doesn’t have a SS under contract for next year (it does have one bat boy (Janish) who can play there, but that’s a different story)." So what do you think? Would a package of Matt Maloney and Micah Owings get the deal done? Seems to me they could do it for less. Seriously, this has to happen. DiPoto is caaaaaaa-razy.
Breathe easy, Reds Nation
Edinson Volquez says he has figured out why he sucked so hard in his last start. "In my stance in the stretch, I was on my heels," he said. "I’m usually on my toes. I didn’t have good balance. That made me late with my arm." It's that easy, folks. Look for The Wagon to ford the river successfully this evening against the Brewers.
It looks like Mike Leake's season has already seen its apogee
Dusty Baker says they are going to start checking his pitch count at 90 instead of 100. Leake blew that 7-1 lead against the Phillies before the break after 90 pitches and then gave up 3 runs to the 'stros on Sunday after 90. I think it's a sound strategy. He's going to need to be shut down in the next month-and-a-half or so and I like the idea of keeping a close eye on him.
Tim Grimes, or "Grimey" as he likes to be called, takes a look at the pitchers that have shut out the Reds this year
It's an impressive list, with the likes of Chris Carpenter, Matt Cain, Cliff Lee, Johan Santana, Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels, and Wandy Rodriguez among them. But then there are the head-scratchers like Wade Leblanc, Ryan Rowland-Smith, and Felipe Paulino. He points to the lead-off spot as a weak point in the lineup. Hanley Ramirez or Stephen Drew would look mighty fine at the top of the lineup, right Walt?
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'Flabbergasting' is my new favorite adjective
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Jul 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's always been my favorite
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I like "highfalutin" myself.
And “extraordinary,” when pronounced by someone with a British accent.
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This reminded me that Aaron Sorkin had an obsession with how Rob Lowe said the word "excellent" on The West Wing.
He says it almost as well as Dennis Farina pronounces the word “fuck.”
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
If you’re familiar with the British version of The Office, the way Dawn says it in a couple of episodes is absolutely amazing.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jul 27, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
/not as good as the American Office'd
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
/bullshit'd
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jul 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I like "highfalutin" myself.
And “extraordinary,” when pronounced by someone with a British accent.
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
agree about the Reds' use of the DL
Or lack thereof. Are they just cheap? Can’t really blame Dusty or Jockstrap, since the problem was there before they were.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
definitely a good argument
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
all things considered we're ok
It looks a bit bad—in the last 6 gameswe are 2 and 4. That is pretty bad. In two of those losses we scored 1 or 0 runs. Last night, we are lucky we got two runs, I think. Gomes was almost thrown out at home.
Since the All-Star break, the offense has been very inconsistent. However, I think we should be happy we’re still in this race given the way the Cardinals played right out of the All-Star break. When you consider that, it’s not so bad. Things could be aklot worse right now and even thoguh everyone is having offensive slumps (except for Votto) we are doing ok. Once everyone heats up again, we can make a strong move for first place.
Despite this perspective I’m still going to be disappointed in this team for at least a week for that performance agaisnt Randy Wolf,
Ken Rosenthal is tweeting
that the Brewers are holding off on trade decisions until after the next two with us.
Slyde was right. If they spank us they’ll probably try to compete this year. We really, really need to take the next two and disavow them of any notion that they can contend this year.
It would really suck for this to turn into a 3 team race.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
ye gods
Is it really possible that this could become a three-team race?
Bad enough that the Reds gave the Phillies new hope (and probably scuttled the Yanks’ chances of getting Jayson Werth ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
that is why I think we're oging to sweep Atlanta this week
because we always do things that help the Phillies. We beat the Mets 2 out of 3 and got swept by the Phillies—that helped them out. We defeated the Rockies two out of three and that helped the Phillies in the Wild Card. Clearly we are going to beat the Braves.
Have we formed an alliance with the Phillies?
Maybe something they hatched up on that plane ride to the All-Star Game?
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If its true that Rosenthal actually has a way of knowing what they think, which seems unlikely, they’ll probably find a way to choke the next two games. I think they’d trade Prince or Hart no matter what happens if they got their asking price and the other potential trades are all pretty minor and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t happen because they wouldn’t net anything useful other than minor league filler.
Yeah
No way they don’t make moves for the future. They have been outscored by 53 up until this point. Their record is no accident.
One shiny rec for the Simpsons reference
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
which one?
‘cause there’s two of ’em.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be honest, I only skimmed most of the article :)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Also, screw the Reds for moving Saturday's game
Completely screwed up my plans. :(
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Yeah, it wasn't the Reds per se
And it’s not like they’re gonna pass up the opportunity to be on national television. Still screwed up my plans though, the jerks.
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Not mine!
I’ll be there to watch the Reds and grab me a Homer Bailey Bobblehead
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
My plans, as usual are very flexible and have changed
I will be there now, yay! :)
On a side note, I have it on good accord that Sunday is a sellout, while Friday and Saturday are very close. Could be some great crowds!
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
It actually worked out for me though, as I initially went stupid and bought tickets to the wrong game
but I can make an afternoon game and still get back to TN by midnight or so saturday
im going to the Clippers game tonight!
we’re like baseball game brothers!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool!
I’ll take some crappy pictures of our favorite Reds on my little dinky point and shoot.
Leaving now! I’ll try to make some mobile posts!
Who are the Clippers playing!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Jul 27, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Buffalo!
Bobby Livingston is scheduled to start for the Bisons!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember him!
I can’t believe he’s still trying to make it!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What're you wearing?
Inquiring minds want to know if you’re the guy with the big belly painted red or…
So we face Randy Wolf, who leads the world in issuing walks, and Orca swings at the first pitch of the game.
That’s fucktarded.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Don't defend Lando
that’s just not done ’round these parts
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Jul 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for exclaimation.
It is the soothing thing about history that it does repeat itself. -Gertrude Stein
But Lando ain't gonna hit a HR on that pitch.
So it’d be better if he worked a frickin’ walk than to slap the ball and hope, because that strategy has worked like shit for him.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He walked only one.
If Orce doesn’t run the first 3 pitches he sees into a foul and 2 outs, it might have been a different game. Orca saw only 11 pitches in his 0-for-4, the lowest of any starter (tied with Bronson, who had one fewer AB. For fuck’s sake, our baserunner extraordinaire Nix saw 9 pitches in his only PA.
A .296 OBP in the leadoff spot may well be the difference in us making the playoffs or weeping at home. I say we trade for a SS now, and Drew is a good choice. It’s the only way to Dusty-proof the roster.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But Drew doesn't bat leadoff
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
He's a SS, so he bats leadoff or 2nd.
Haven’t you learned anything?
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I try to not think about stuff like that
helps ease the pain, you know
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Rec'd for the Oregon Trail imagery.
We need less of this for tonight’s game:
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
A question for the SABR heads...
There is a lot of talk on this site about Gomes poor fielding. His UZR numbers are pretty atrocious (-21.7 UZR/150 for this year). Stubbs, on the other hand, is praised for his defensive abilities while sporting a -1.1 UZR/150. My question is how well regarded UZR is in general? Do people find it useful, is there a debate on the subject? I have watched a majority of the games this year, and have paid attention to the rest through Gameday, or the radio, and I don’t find Gomes to be that terrible in the field just by watching him. Average at best maybe, but nowhere near Dunn levels. And I certainly wouldn’t call Stubbs a below average fielder. I do think Bruce’s 9.3 UZR/150 passes the eye test as his defense has been his best attribute so far this year. Another UZR anomaly is O-Cab’s 8.9 UZR/150, which is shocking.
Watch it, ass blood.
you need a couple seasons of uzr for the data to be worthwhile
Too much variability in the batted ball distribution for just 100 games. SSS and all that.
by ken on Jul 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
even though I don't like your sarcastic tone, that is actually a good point and one issue with UZR as a tool ;P
OTOH, I doubt in a year or two when we have plenty of data on Stubbs will his defensive skills be that different than they are now.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Yes
I don’t think I did it right
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of COURSE it is
(rolls eyes for effect)
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Oh, like you don't already know.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As if that would be a big change.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
There are definitely issues with defensive metrics still
but I’d say it’s still better than fielding percentage or even range factor. It’s like we’re in second or third generation of a metric that will probably go 10+ generations before it is stable.
That is to say, I prefer to use the collection of defensive metrics (UZR, RZR, DRS, TotalZone, PMR, FRAR) as a way of judging a player on a ++, +, 0, , - scale. I’ve never been comfortable with the actual run value attached to the number outside of whether or not it indicated where the player appeared on the scale. Or if supported my point.
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It's like we're pioneers!
I call dibs on Daniel Boone.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
stubbs is +5
for his short career with the REDs which seems reasonable. And also he is compared to other CF- so even a neutral number is pretty solid.
Gomes by any time period has been horrible- so that seems pretty solid.
Once MLB incorporates hit FX with full video coverage of the field. Fielding stats will become very precise.
When you get down to if you can quantify a players reaction time/ speed/ path to ball and ability to catch- you will capture his fielding ability. And all those factors should be quantifable by a computer program with a video feed and hitFX capturing the flight of the ball.
There is no general in regarding UZR. It’s highly debatable whether it is valuable regardless of the quantity of data.
but
pretty much everyone agrees that it doesn’t mean anything unless there are three years’ worth of data. Even the guys who invented it. There can be a lot of wild fluctuations with smaller sample sizes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
"everyone agrees"
Yeah, witches float and Gods live on mountains. Everyone is really just a handful of people who say that and are repeated by all the people on the internet who love the notion that they can actually determine how good players are from looking at a fangraphs page. I remember when demi-god Tango agreed with a group of statheads over at baseball fever that you couldn’t really have a high degree of certainty of accuracy with a career’s worth of data. The latest version of phrenology is just as useful as the first.
huh?
People on the Internet point to Fangraphs as an example of how not to use UZR.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Looking to the future
What shortstops will be available in the off-season? Not to fold up shop on this year, but next year should be a year we all really look forward to. But we need a shortstop and a corner outfielder. Any chance Bob opens up the checkbook? And if so, for who?
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Haven't you heard?
Hanley Ramirez has already made a verbal commitment to come to the Reds next year.
there is nothing to beer, but beer itself
by HalMorrisHasALazyBat on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think it was final
I thought he was still laying plans for his ESPN special to announce it.
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No, he balked at ESPN.
Due to the economic thunderbolt it will send throughout the Cincinnati area, CNBC offered him a 2 hour primetime slot to cover it.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was going to the Wizards so he could play with John Wall
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
I think there is a shortage of premier SS's in the Majors right now.
HanRam is not going anywhere, so that leaves you with:
Jose Reyes
Stephen Drew
Alexei Ramirez
Cliff Pennington
as potential SS’s of the future.
Watch it, ass blood.
There are also a few guys like Jason Bartlett who might be available in the off-season.
He’s had a down year, they have a ready replacement in Reid Brignac, and they will probably have a need at first base (Yonder?) if they let Carlos Pena go as a free agent.
Another guy who might be had is Maicier Izturis of the Angels. They’ve been using him as a middle infield backup/sometimes starter at third along with Alberto Callaspo (Francisco or Frazier?).
Most likely, the Reds will either pick up Cabrera’s option, or just let Janish and Cozart compete for the starting job in Spring Training.
by RedsMasochist on Jul 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
per MLBTraderumors
the Pirates tried to get Izturis and offered Garret Jones, and were promptly rebuffed. In other words, it’ll take more than that to get him.
Young pitching, perhaps?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A young third baseman would have more value than a journeyman 1B/RF.
But I was just pondering the basics of the trade, the Reds would of course have to sweeten the pot a bit.
by RedsMasochist on Jul 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
2011 Free Agent shortstops (according to Cots)
*-means they have an option for 2011
Alex Gonzalez TOR
Christian Guzman WAS
J.J. Hardy MIN
Omar Infante ATL *
Cesar Izturis BAL
Derek Jeter NYY
Julio Lugo STL
Jhonny Peralta CLE *
Edgar Renteria SF *
Jose Reyes NYM *
Jimmy Rollins PHI *
Ramon Vazquez PIT
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hmm
barf
barf-then-die
meh
puke
meh
freakin bankees
holy baby jesus no!
SS my ass
see above
Reyes/Rolen left side…most expensive DL ever
intriguing, but not a chance Phillies let him go
HAHAHAHAHAHAhbarf.
Go trade for Stephen Drew, Walt, fercryinowtloud.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Off of that list I would say only 3 would be potentially viable options
Reyes, Hardy, Infante and I wouldn’t be too happy with any of those.
Watch it, ass blood.
Infante probably wouldn't leave the Braves! HE'S AN ALL-STAR!!!
It is the soothing thing about history that it does repeat itself. -Gertrude Stein
Given that list and who we'll owe money to next year
I’d rather let Zack Cozart have a crack at it. I feel pretty confident he could be an average-above average offensive shortstop and a well above average defensive one in the majors.
Might as well give him a shot rather than sign another Cabrera type.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Any TIME subscribers out there?
I just got around to reading last week’s issue during my hermit time this weekend. There was an interesting story about baseball recruiting culture in the Dominican Republic called “Struck Out by Beisbol.” I’d link to it, but it’s behind a subscriber wall. If you get TIME or if you have friends who do, I recommend checking it out.
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
I read it in the Doctor's office waiting room earlier this week
Also, I’m sure we’ve discussed it here before, but the movie, Sugar, does a good job of portraying what it’s like to “make it” for these Dominican players
I have that on my Netflix queue..
Just because I heard Rijo had a roll in it!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Jul 27, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
role*
I’m retarded.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Jul 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
x
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez...
he didn’t even draw a happy little tree for me.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Trees are our friends.
Just not YOUR friends, retard!
I hope this is coming off as hilarious joking….
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What's that?
I can barely see through my tears…and it’s incredibly hard to learn how to tie a noose online!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Knot goes at the top, big guy.
Be sure to log onto your webcam beforehand so we can witness the event.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I loved Sugar.
Excellent movie.
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Or you could have just said
“I’d recommend reading it, if you’ve got the TIME.”
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You know, that sounds like something I would normally say.
What’s wrong with me???
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't have the heart to read it.
It sounded like a sad bummer, and my week was lame enough. :)
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, it's not a total downer.
There’s some good things happening.
by the finest muffins on Jul 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's Lineup
Phillips
Cabrera
Votto
Rolen
Gomes
Bruce
Stubbs
Hernandez
Volquez
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
the ol switcharoo
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
the Brewers are not going to be able to handle this lineup like they handled last night's lineup
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Yeah
This lineup might score THREE runs. They might not even put eight zeroes on the board.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
absolutely no freakin way Jay or Drew see a single fastball.
although its gallardo pitching, so even if he throws one, neither one of them will see it.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce owns Gallardo: .500/.625/1.000
please don’t look at the sample size.
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my math skillz sez
4 for 8, w/ a HR and a walk?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
3 for 6 with HR and walk and HBP
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never liked math anyway.
that’s what spreadsheets are for.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
TWSS
spread sheets GIGGLE
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So thought this said,"never liked meth"
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
per lance mcalister,
since may 29 the reds are 25-26.
by onemoreredoctober on Jul 27, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
holy crap, Lance picked selective end points to make an negative comment?
I’m shocked.
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So Mr. Baseball Researcher, maybe you can help me out
Doesn’t it often happen that playoff teams have 1 or 2 really good months and play basically .500 ball the rest of the time.
Just seems like this is often the case. It just takes a couple really good runs and being steady the rest of the time (which is what the Reds are doing)
Anyone?…….
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I'll see what I can find
but I will say that the 1990 team started 33-12 and then went 58-59 the rest of the way, including a 1-8 stretch and a separate 8-game losing streak. They did alright.
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We want to do better than them.
World Series first… Something else later.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Phillips is back to leadoff
Here is the lineup from Fay
Brandon Phillips 4
Orlando Cabrera 6
Joey Votto 3
Scott Rolen 5
Jonny Gomes 7
Jay Bruce 9
Drew Stubbs 8
Ramon Hernandez 2
Edinson Volquez, RHP
vs. Yovani Gallardo (9-4, 2.45 ERA)
Gallardo is pretty good, even better than I thought. Like I said yesterday, though, it doesn’t really matter who is pitching we will score alot or not very much at all. Hopefully tonight is a high scording night. Though I did cynically predict that we would be one hit and score one run. My alternative prediciton is that we put 8 runs on the board.
Just for shits and giggles, I would like to try this general lineup vs. RHP just a couple of times...
1. Heisey (CF)
2. Phillips (2B)
3. Votto (1B)
4. Rolen (3B)
5. Gomes (LF)
6. Bruce (RF)
7. Hanigan ©
8. Janish (SS)
I know…I know…not going to happen…like I said, it was just for fun. In particular, I would really like to see what Heisey could do in the leadoff spot since, even according to Dusty himself, we really don’t have a leadoff guy.
better lineup than Dusty can make
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, i've been sorting this out all day
but I’d definitely give Hi-Z a shot at leading off, and vs. RHP I’d rock:
1. Heisey (CF)
2. Bruce (RF)
3. Rolen (3B)
4. Votto (1B)
5. BP (2B)
6. Gomes (LF)
7. Hanigan ©
8. Janish (SS)
I’d just love for Bruce to have some protection so he can just focus on getting on base, and I’d love for Votto to have Rolen on in front of him to knock in rather than vice versa.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i like this
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce does seem a lot better when he's working the count.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him lead off for a while, with BP hitting second.
by RedsMasochist on Jul 27, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce in the 2-hole is interesting...
and I considered it…but I couldn’t find a feasible place for BP. I’m not sure he is much protection for Votto in the 5 hole and we know his history in the cleanup spot. However, if you move him lower you start risking pissing him off. That, and the fact that he has been pretty good (all things considered) in the 2-hole made me leave him there….but there is a good argument to try Bruce up in the 2-hole.
I had a hard time with BP too.
I just thought that since Votto’s on base every freakin AB, I’d rather have him and his “new 2010 no DP” approach than Gomes.
Seriously, that’s all the logic I’ve got, and like I said, I’ve been thinking about it all day.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope this isn't seen as blasphemous
Yonder is gonna be pretty good. Probably better than average. So, what kind of haul might a trade of Votto net the Reds? Could he bring back a shortstop and a corner outfield bat? Maybe even get rid of the loco Coco contract? Just askin’.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's a legitimate question
the only problem is i honestly dont think there are but 4-5 players in baseball more valuable than Votto right now. Hanley, Longoria, Strasburg…anyone else?
i dont think there is a team out there with the talent necessary to trade for Votto. i dont know if you know or not, but he’s really fucking good.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, prepare to get killed.
I remember discussing this last offseason. At the time I was pretty open to the idea, but not now.
One, I’m not convinced Yonder will ever put up a season close to what Joey’s doing right now, and Joey’s just now entering his prime. Two, Votto means too much to this team and the fans, I think, and the negative PR would not be worth it. Three, if you were to trade him, he could easily command 2 elite prospects and 2 more good ones. His combination of ability and contract would make him, by far, the best trade chip out there. Think what Cliff Lee brought back and double it.
Still, no way I do it.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
speaking of
when was the last time a pre-arb player of Votto’s caliber got traded? Is there any sort of reference point for this? I feel like several young pitchers have been shipped out, but I can’t think of another person in Votto’s case to make a comparison.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point.
It would be pretty unprecedented to trade a guy like this right now. There is just no good reason to do it. Votto seems like as close to a sure thing right now as you’ll ever get in baseball, and the risk of the return not being great is just too much.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I still can't even think of one, not even post WS Marlins blowups.
All they dumped then were veteran role players and great young pitching, I think.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be at least 3 years before Votto reach his full salary potential
the only reason to trade him is if you think his numbers are inflated compared to what you’ll get over the next 3 years. Otherwise, you’ll never get a comparable return for him because a player like him would be traded for quantity, not necessarily comparatively quality.
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All good points
I heard that the reasoning behind the Royals shopping Grienke was that they get 35 starts a year out of him, but they feel they can get two pitchers and, therefore, 70 starts out of him. Trading Votto would create a hole, but Yonder could fill it reasonably well. Also, the return could fill at least two other holes. Gotta keep an open mind.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hi there.
Please just list your address, and the times you are typically alone. Kthxbai.
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by crolfer on Jul 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
***hiding crolfer's matches***
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in Madville's basement
And Jesus is in my heart, so I’m never alone. At least that’s what the nice man on TV to whom I send all the checks says.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
May I quote you?
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A good omen:
I just found out I get to transfer in a class from my master’s degree for my DMA. That means I’ll be done with my coursework in December!
Yay me!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
NICE
Congrats on the good news!
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks!
What does it all mean? REDS WIN!!!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Will we have to call you Dr. NYCRedsfan?
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I'm thinking seriously about changing it to Dr. Feelgood once I get the degree
just because it would be so ridiculous
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
lets see...Brewers play horrendous defense and commit a lot of errors
so there’s a chance at 29. I’ll go 29.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
can we just go ahead and get the Rick Ankiel trade overwith?
he’s a LH pop hitter who can sub in CF and played for the Cards. I mentioned Edmonds last night and I knew I was forgetting someone.
He’s obviously the reason we’ve been scouting Royals games.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, i forgot sarcasm's not allowed here!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumors and gossip are also strictly verboten.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
you drive a hard bargain.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
aha, so dick jokes ARE allowed!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dick yes...Peter, Willie, Johnson and Rod no...
…are you taking notes now…there will be a quiz at the end. ;-)
no Rod?
so A-Rod, K-Rod, I-Rod, and Y-Rod are off limits?
That’s going to be way too hard to get my head around.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, you are redeeming yourself from the Wolf thread!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
that was a dark time.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And homophobic inyouendo
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love the spelling, and will be stealing it
"so there was a reason firefox said i spelled that wrong" -- justin007000
Be my guest
I’m pretty sure everything else on the internet is original, though.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Jul 27, 2010 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We're probably looking at Podsednik
Can play all OF positions, and is your prototypical leadoff hitter (more importantly, Dusty’s prototypical leadoff hitter) in that he has speed in spades, plus an added bonus of getting on base at a good clip. Dunno who would get pushed off the roster though, since Nix would seem to be the odd one out but Pods plays a very Stubbs-like role (minus the LTP)
I thought he was pretty much a LF now...
can he still play CF? If not, that means a platoon in LF with Gomes (which would make for a nice, very traditional R/L platoon that Dusty could probably handle). Would give us more of a traditional leadoff guy (though it is not like he walks a lot or has that great of an OBP…so his OBP is pretty BA dependent). All depends what we would have to give up to get him. Would be nice to have the OF flexibility of having 2 guys who can feasibly play all 3 OF positions (Heisey and Pods). Do you DFA Nix with this trade? That is addition by subtraction - until we have to face Oswalt again. ;)
He can play CF
dunno about RF, so I should have said what MLBTR says: a “left-fielder who can play center.” His OBP is I believe above .350, so even if it’s not super amazing (Josh Willingham OMGZZZ) it’s certainly better than batting Crapbrera 1st or 2nd. I think Nix has to be the odd man out, right? Gomes would be sitting more often, so at any given time we’d have 2 OF’s on the bench capable of delivering in a pinch (Gomes, Stubbs, or Heisey most of the time probably).
Of course as of now this is all moot, since I don’t think I’ve actually seen anything connecting the Reds to Podsednik.
so, if we're serious about Pods for the outfield vs. RHP
send Stubbs to AAA for a bit, DFA Nix, call up Danny Dorn for some LH pop. Dude can mash and he sure as hell ain’t getting any younger.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That just as likely as Jose Guillen
He’s hit the ball well and could be viewed as an upgrade over Gomes in left. He is a much better defender.
Reds would prefer a rental?
I was wondering, in all this talk of replacement shortstops and power bats, if the Reds wouldn’t prefer a rental player (that could net draft picks) over someone who comes with more years (and guaranteed salary).
As mentioned, we have viable options in the minors that could be ready to go next year (if not in September), so someone who could give us that push to the playoffs this year might actually make more sense, if we don’t have to give up those aforementioned CBRs (Could Be Readies).
Because if the D-Backs are trading Dan Haren for nothing, it means they’re probably also willing to trade shortstop Stephen Drew, a 27-year-old under team control for a couple more years.
I disagree with the factuality of this statement. It sounds too much to me like wishful thinking, or Mets fans’ trade discussions.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
yeah, I think the trick to this, like the Haren situation
would be if we had middling prospects that the D-Backs happened to really like.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
He goes to the playoffs!
Of course they want him!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
like Todd Frazier?
I’m still completely not sold on him.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but nobody is, I don't think. Plus it's never really a good idea to sell low on a guy like that
I could see him ending up a utility guy, or an above average 3B. Both are quite possible at this point.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Ugh
but he could be the Huge target that Carson needs since he always throws too damn high.
TO also drops a lot of balls a la Coles.
Has the NFL schedule been released?
if so do you know if Oakland and Cincinnati play?
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
un-coked it's a 4.9
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 27, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if he can lead off?
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
It's been hot this month...
we could use some sleeveless jerseys!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
8 run leads = good
7 run leads = not good enough
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I think you mean 6 run leads
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That's exactly what I meant.
Also, I shouldn’t have three threads open at the same time.
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