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55 Wins through 100; Now what?

The Reds have now played 100 games in 2010, and have won 55 of them.  10 games over .500, and as of this writing, tied for first place in the NL Central.

To Redleg fans starved for success, these are wonderful things to read and write.  For history buffs like me, it's also an opportunity to look back at other iterations of our favorite team who were in a similar position at the 100 game mark.

As any financial advisor will tell you, past performance does not guarantee future results.  But some interesting things have popped out of the history books...

Star-divide

For starters, if you're reading this blog, there's a pretty good chance that the last time the Reds had won between 54 and 56 games through 100, you were not born yet.

Let's drop a quick data table in here, and then we'll look at a couple other possible conclusions:

Year

Record through 100 games

Final Record

Playoffs?

Final NL Rank

1969

55-45

89-73

No

5th

1965

56-44

89-73

No

4th

1964

55-45

92-70

No

2nd

1957

56-44

80-74

No

4th

1944

55-45

89-65

No

3rd

1938

54-46

82-68

No

4th

1926

56-44

87-67

No

2nd

1925

54-46

80-73

No

3rd

1917

54-46

78-76

No

4th

1903

54-46

74-65

No

4th

Bullet point notes:

  • A team with 55 wins through 100 is on pace for 89 wins out of 162. This sample of past Reds teams held that pace fairly well, averaging a final winning percentage of .544, which would be good for 88 wins.
  • With one exception, all these data points occurred in the pre-divisional era, meaning that it was World Series or bust for the teams in each league. Unsurprisingly, it has not been the case that a Reds team with 54-56 wins through 100 has been a league topper. Parity has generally increased over time, so a 55-win team from yesteryear may actually be of weaker relative quality than one from today.
  • Perhaps of relevance to today's Wild Card era, historical Reds teams in this data set are most likely to finish with the 3rd or 4th best record in the NL. Which, consistent with current expectations, would put the Reds squarely on the playoff bubble.

Tacking philosophical for a moment, what will make this season a success? 

As a parent and as a general observer, I'm not a big fan of the "participation trophy" movement.  The reasons why aren't terribly important for this piece, but suffice it to say that society celebrates results that are less than excellent far too readily.

It may seem paradoxical, then, that in my personal opinion, the 2010 season for the Cincinnati Reds has already qualified as a successful one.

This is strictly from a fan's point of view, of course: I hope and expect that Joey Votto won't consider this a successful season until Tony LaRussa is left to wobble unsteadily from the clubhouse, at least one game short of winning the division.

From my decidedly different point of view, the purpose of the season is to entertain.  Something to pay attention to in August, games to watch, websites to read.  Friends, we are out of the abyss that has plagued the last decade.  Enjoy the gravy.

Poll
What's the minimum level of accomplishment for the Reds to make this a successful season in your eyes?
World Series Champs
74 votes
Winning the NLCS
48 votes
Winning one round of playoffs
202 votes
Winning division, losing in first round
125 votes
Wild Card entry, losing in first round
323 votes
Finishing season above .500, missing playoffs
181 votes
It's already been a success
105 votes

1058 votes | Poll has closed

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I can't believe I'm still watching or listening to entire games

by now, I’m used to popping in for a minute to find out if Jimmy Haynes has given up 7 runs in his four innings or wondering which “high-priced” veteran will be the next to go or fuming over Fay’s most recent iteration of “You might think the departure of X and Y and Z and their contracts mean the reds can spend money on players next year, but you’re wrong” column.

As far as I know, he hasn’t even written that leaked bit of doggerel yet and it’s almost August. It’s like Disney World for a 40 year old

by timb116 on Jul 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd cuz I feel the same way.

This is long forgotten territory for me. As a Reds fan, by now, I would be gearing up for Buckeye Football coming shortly in August instead of still caring about the Reds. I would have already banned Reds games in my house as the result of the perennial slide into mediocrity. It’s going to be interesting come September if we are still in the race whether I’ll be able to keep up with both teams and their success.

It is the soothing thing about history that it does repeat itself. -Gertrude Stein

by Travis Rehl on Jul 26, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Cubs fans wish they could say the same thing

Then again, most Cubs fans don’t care about games in late April

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

greened..

I haven’t looked at the previous nights results on a regular basis since I’ve been around here and haven’t looked at another teams results in I don’t know HOW long..

Despite not hanging out much lately, I’ve actually been more excited for this year than I have in a long time.. I really think they need to win a playoff series to make it a completely successful. It just seems to me that some of the players are having career years and it’s the right time to take advantage of it.

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by snohio on Jul 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I use ESPN's Score Center on my phone

to track scores when I can’t watch or listen. For those who don’t have the app or a smartphone that does fancy things, you pick your favorite teams for each sport and that score is always at the top of the page. Naturally, the Reds have always had a spot reserved. But now the Cardinals are moving up there too.

It’s like during Buckeye season when everyone’s two favorite teams are the Bucks & whoever’s playing M*ch*g*n. I love it.

by ben nevis on Jul 26, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Android phones

the MLB At Bat app gives you a widget that lets you put a scoreboard up on your home screen. It’s awesome because I can flip through the scores without actually having to open the app. Of course, it’s not free, but it’s a pretty damn good app anyway and worth the price, in my opinion.

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by Slyde on Jul 26, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it'd be disingenuous to change my measure of success of the season part of the way through it

I went into this year like I did last year: a winning record equals a successful season. I hope to hell it’s not the only success we get, but that’s what I said would be a success In my eyes and I’m sticking with it.

by thevole on Jul 26, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

It’s a long season; while the 100 game record is great, I think you still need to remember where our expectations started.

No one expected Votto to have the year he’s having (MVP quality); no one expected Rolen to play either as much or as well as he has; no one expected Gomes or Stubbs or Heisey to hit like they have; no one expected Leake or Wood to contribute like they have; no one expected Rhodes to have a career year.

A quick comparison to ZiPS shows that of the hitters, the worst compared to projection is Bruce, who’s only 15 pts. of OPS below; Gomes and Nix are the only two other players hitting worse than projected while 5 of the top 13 hitters by PA have hit more than 100 points above their projection (OCab and Cairo were added to the roster after the projection came out; Cabrera’s probably much worse than projection but Cairo’s probably much better). I doubt many teams can say 9 of their 13 hitters with the most PA have outhit their projections.

The pitching hasn’t been quite as good, but Arroyo’s been about as expected and Leake, Wood, and Cueto (let alone Rhodes) have certainly more than made up for the disappointment of Harang, Cordero, and Masset.

I will say this, though – for the Reds to finish under .500, they’d have to finish 26-36 against some pretty crappy teams; that’s what would piss me off, not their overall record.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jul 26, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

Gomes must be struggling more than I thought; when I looked a week ago, he was still ahead of his projection.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Jul 26, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually expected Stubbs to hit almost exactly like he has

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're 88-74 in the last 162 games

88-72 since Rolen became a Red.

The season will be adequate as long as we finish with a winning record. A 90 win season would be great, though I’d rather win the division in 87 than lose it with 90, obviously.

by ken on Jul 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I am expecting the Reds to make it to post season play

with the pitching we have I seriously am a WS winner believer.

Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...

by Madville on Jul 26, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the optimism

But the problem with the pitching is we have great depth but no top line guys. We’re built for the regular season and not the playoffs. The Cards are set ip beautifully for the playoffs, which just means we need to make sure they don’t get there.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

We have plenty of guys who can rack up quality starts (great for the 162-game season), but we don’t have guys who can throw 8 innings of shut out or 1-run ball. This is why the Reds tried to get Lee, and I’m stunned they didn’t try to get Haren if the price was Joel Saunders, a AAA reliever, and 2 A Ball pitchers.

  The problem with not having that hammer is that it has been proven that our offense can’t score against the other team’s number one, meaning we come up short 4-0. See Wandy, Halladay, Johan, etc.

by MixFMKyle on Jul 26, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless....

The Reds themselves don’t think they can win this year. They would rather hold out until next year and see what they need.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 26, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the serious Cliff Lee bid proves that's not the case

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Cueto will be a Hammer in '11.

If he doesn’t get there this year.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to call him our "top line guy"...I thought it'd be Slyde :-)

I agree he could be that guy, I really hope he’s that guy, and he certainly has performed like that guy lately. I just want to see him get through a whole season without wearing down before I count on him as a #1.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I’ve been calling Johny Cueto this season’s Jose Rijo at book signings all summer. The one thing he’s not doing yet is consistently going deep into games. Once he does that, I’ll be calling him a frontline starter, though I’m not sure he fits the ace bill even with more innings. Definitely a #2 though.

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by Slyde on Jul 26, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I defintely feel sheepish about saying Homer would be better before the season started

Then again, at the ASB I said Harang would be out for a while, so there is that ;)

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homer is the closer of the future

Oh, sure, he can come back and start, but eventually they’ll just turn to him and say be Eric Gagne without the terrible goggles and kid will be dominant

by timb116 on Jul 26, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not totally sold on Cueto's jump

His walks are down this year but so are his Ks, and he’s not getting more groundballs. It looks like he’s getting it done with a lower HR rate and higher strand rate. I’m enjoying the ride but I don’t think what he’s been doing is sustainable.

I haven’t been able to watch him this year because I cancelled Extra Innings, but per his fangraphs page he’s throwing the change more frequently and with a bigger speed delta compared to his fastball. A better changeup would seem to do him a lot of good given his plus power stuff.

by ken on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

I’m still convinced that his K’s are down as he tries to pitch more to contact to get deeper into games. I think that’s Brian Price at work, honestly, and I like the way it’s going.

He’s got all the pitches to be a K pitcher if need be, I’m just holding out hope that he’s going through an approach-change that will help him in the long run…

…i.e. the approach that I still don’t think Homer will ever make, though he needs to to be an MLB pitcher (which is why I still want to trade him.)

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your point

but I kind of feel like some pitchers have to find their balance point in the whole FIP world. I think there is something to be said for pitchers who can learn to trust their defense. I’m not espousing a pitch-to-contact philosophy as much as saying that some pitchers have to learn that they don’t have to strike every batter out. I think that’s been the maturation of Cueto.

Also, it helps to have quality defense behind him too. I have an untested theory that having a good defense behind a pitcher could actually lower his strikeout rate in part because fewer outs are made via the strikeout. It’s just a theory though.

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by Slyde on Jul 26, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give my uncertified seal of approval

to your untested theory.

I think, at least it looked like in his last start, that Volquez will have to get used to the fact that he’s got a hell of a defense behind him instead of E5 and Cherry, and that he doesn’t have to K or BB every person he faces.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the misspelling of Joe Millionaire

because lord knows he’s seen plenty of L’s this year.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Jul 26, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The postseason has to be our goal now.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 26, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since 1901

Of teams with between 54 and 56 wins after 100 games (281 total), the average winning percentage at the end of the season was .550, or 89 wins in a 162-game season. The median is also .550, in case you are wondering.

54% of the teams had a winning percentage equivalent to 88 to 95 wins in a season. The most common winning percentage range was 91-92 wins, which 10.7% of the teams accomplished. The highest winning percentage at the end of the season was the 1908 Cubs, who finished at 99-55 (.643 PCT), The lowest winning percentage was the 1986 Orioles, who finished at 73-89 (.451). Twelve teams finished with a winning percentage good enough for 100 or more wins in 162 games. 18 finished with a .500 or worse record.

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by Slyde on Jul 26, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

What happened to the 86 Orioles? That’s about 18-64 to finish the season

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*18-44, sry

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OMG

what happened with the orioles? 18-44 is bad!

by 'tHan on Jul 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

losing is ok with the right peripherials

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 26, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

08-09 Harang'd

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

did they lose a key player?

I can’t imagine things going off the rails that much under normal circumstances but it really really scares me!

by Red_Poodle on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their shortstop got tuckered out

He should have rested for some day games.

by Red Menace on Jul 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those Cubs went 44-11 to close the season?

glad they got all their winning out of the way then and there.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

its been a lovely cruise, so far

Enjoy the ride folks.

"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"

by Ewok on Jul 26, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I just want them to be in the race the rest of the season

Winning the division would be great. Anything else is just icing on the cake

Rob Dibble, Norm Charlton, and Randy Myers were nasty boys. Arthur Rhodes is a nasty MAN. by Brendanukkah

by Caleb on Jul 26, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

This is exactly how I feel.

So what’d you pick in the poll, Caleb? Not sure what this sentiment translates to up there.

by the finest muffins on Jul 26, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boobs

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Unles it's losing to the cardinals in the playoffs

05-06 bengals’d.

I’d accept winning just a game or two in the playoffs even if the series is lost.

by Brian B on Jul 26, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was ready to vote boobs, but I couldn't find the option.

I settled for Wild Card qualification.

Honestly, there’s really only one thing that I need to have happen for this season to be a success in my mind, and that’s for the team to keep winning enough games to make the crowds show up. My guess is that will take a winning record, and a pennant/WC chase until the end, but I’d love to see how the city and Red nation respond to having games to root for.

The first real memory I have of going to games were late season, where each one seemed to really matter. Obviously, I’d love for us to make the playoffs, but if we can win enough to top 2 million fans, that’d a) mean we’re winning, and b) help our the income statement to where we just may have some more funds for next year.

Or boobs.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Reds are +2000 per game over last year

It’s not a lot, but many teams (including division leaders like Atlanta and Texas) are down.

by Red Menace on Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and it's great to see.

The org really has done a good job of promoting the fact that we have a new, younger, exciting team, and that’s helped a bunch.

I’m just talking about having September attendence blow-up. We’ll be playing a lot of crappy teams towards the end of the year, so Reds fans will have to pull the whole weight of filling it up most of the time. If we’re still playing well, I think that’ll happen, but not having a “tough schedule” down the stretch means we won’t have as many opposition fans there to help pack the house.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my vote now is different than it was at the beginning of the year.

probably because boobs was an option then.

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Jul 26, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Follow other sports!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yawn.

Other sports should make themselves more interesting, then.

by the finest muffins on Jul 26, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

any sport

That features cute guys in spandex pants rolling around in the mud is fine by me.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 26, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rugby? Mud wrestling?

What sport are we talking about here?

I should rephrase, though. Other sports may well be interesting, but I think it’d be too much work to learn them. I grew up knowing just baseball. One sport + other interests is enough for me.

by the finest muffins on Jul 26, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can enjoy lots of sports and have other interests as well!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

women!

amiright?

/ducks

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

/elephants

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

/bears

Oh My!!

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

why do you hate

domestic water fowl?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

because they belong in the kitchen, chick

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I gave up cooking

to make room for more sports.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

like sewing and vacuuming!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely not for me.

I hate football and am meh on every other non-baseball sport. I LOVE cooking and eating, though. Can’t imagine giving that up.

by the finest muffins on Jul 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loves eating! I can't cook worth shit.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine giving up eating would be difficult

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

although I might do it in exchange for a Reds playoff appearance

Hunger Strike!!!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

But will Eddie

And pre-crap out Chris Cornell join you?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Jul 26, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No joke, in Indy on Saturday there was dude at the bar

with a tube directly into his stomach with a vile on it and he would pour his beer directly into the vile!

He just sat there caring on conversations like this was no big deal.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pouring beer in your vile

Is that like going to a RR event and buying a round?

by ol Pete on Jul 26, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that completely

I was at that last game and had a great time. I love winning and I love that we’re in the race but I just love baseball period so I’ll be here, or somewhere, watching/listening tro the games.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 26, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those who haven't taken a look recently, here are some tasty full-season projection numbers based on stats thru 100 games...

Votto .315 42 HR 112 RBI OPS: 1.014
Rolen .287 30 HR 101 RBI OPS: .902
BP .284 21 HR 18 SB OPS: .796
Gomes .272 22 HR 107 RBI OPS .786
Hernanigans combo around .292 13 HR 105 RBI

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Wow.. 100+ RBIs.

We have only had one player not named Adam Dunn have 100+ RBI’s in a season and that was Ken Jr (118) in 2000.
*101 RBI’s at the Catcher position in 2005 by the ValeRue (LaRue / J.Valentin) platoon.

Not even the 99 team had two players with 100+ RBI’s (Vaughn with 118, Casey with 99).

The 1990 WS team Davis was tops with 86.

Not counting the platoon year in 2005, there haven’t been two players with 100+ RBI’s on this team since 1977, Foster (149) and Bench (109).

And while I am at it, not since 1955 have there been three in one year. Klu (113) Wally Post (109) and Gus Bell (104)

SO – Here’s to those lines holding up. That would be sweet.

Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.

by snohio on Jul 26, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't believe no one has rec'd this yet.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Votto doesn't finish in the top 3 in MVP voting...

And God forbid, if he finishes behind Pujols… Heads. Will. Roll.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 26, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shhh

Stop ruining my fantasy with logic!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Jul 26, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Mike Leake is a historically great-hitting Reds pitcher.

Only 6 Reds pitchers have logged a higher OPS in a season, and three of those chaps had fewer hits in their best seasons than Leake has already collect in 2010.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 26, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

collect'd

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 26, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

proof read....

missed “…in the last 10 years.” in that first statement..

Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.

by snohio on Jul 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

/replied.

Fuck, I need to go back to RR NooB school..

Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.

by snohio on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

woah, dude, you must be still gettin' your RR chops back

and reply’d

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,

as long as there’s gravy, everything’s going to be ok.

by Heeringa on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

THIS

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Jul 26, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

My preseason predictions was:

85-78. At the time even I thought that was a bit high. I would have been happy with 82-80 after what we went through in the aughts.
Sitting 10 games over .500 at the 100 game mark makes me want more. I want the playoffs, I want the Central. I’d like the Division Series, too. I can’t imagine playoff baseball in the Queen City…but I can’t wait to experience it!

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

That record does seem a bit high

considering it’s 163 games

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

99'd

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

As long as the 85th win came in the final game, I'd take it!

Suck it, Leiter.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

amen bro.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's irrelevant.

And it wasn’t a typo, I think that’s what I wrote down on my schedule at work. Stupid math.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are pretty much my feelings

Though I do remember playoff baseball in Cincinnati, however vaguely.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 26, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen's In the Lineup & Tubby's batting leadoff!
Cabrera 6, Phillips 4, Votto 3, Rolen 5, Gomes 7, Bruce 9, Stubbs 8, Hanigan 2, Arroyo RHP

by 'tHan on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome back, Mr. Scotter!

The Ocrap/BP flop is interesting. But Crapbera has been hitting fairly well since the Break.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't give 2 craps about Lando, but BP was a different hitter in the 2 spot

Batting 1st: .248/.288/.424
Batting 2nd: .321/.382/.506

SSS and all, but I really think the 2 spot is the right one for him, and since Lando sucks equally anywhere, this is probably for the best.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

I didn’t realize his numbers were so bad since moving to leadoff. I wonder how much of that is attributed to the post-Break slump our All-Stars seemed to go through.

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

a fair bit of it, but that 2 spot line is 183 PAs of awesome. I'd like to see if he can recapture it.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

He seemed to change his whole approach with the move (May 7th, I believe).

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Jul 26, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

BP started slumping during the Philly series right before the break

I think he was due for a slump more than anything. Hopefully a move to the 2 spot shakes him up.

by ken on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to agree with you about BP, sss and all,

but I’m still reminded of how Cherry Hudson (junior) hit .320something for a few months as a “leadoff” type, and I was nearly convinced he knew what he was doing.

BP, to me, is the key to the 2nd half of the season. He’s absolutely GOT to finish with a decent OBP and OPS around .800 for this team to have a chance. If he reverts back to his career levels, our offense goes from shaky to full fledged palsy.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that, but

First, BP is no Cherry. BP has legitimate talent to hit .300+ when he’s going the other way and waiting for his pitch. Those lines include better K and BB rates as a 2 hitter. Of course, the BABIP is much higher as a 2 hitter, but I’d like to think part of that is he was hitting more line drives and hitting more balls to RF.

One cool fact on him? His splits are minimal this year. He’s OPSing .810 against lefties and .790 against righties. He’s slugging way more against lefties but is being much more patient and walking more against righties which bridges the gap. All that tells me he can sustain his first half if he plays within himself.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right, and I think you will be.

But damn, reading through this again feels exactly like what I’ve told myself about BP every year since he’s been here.

He “can” do it. Will he?

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce turning on is going to help if Phillips reverts to norms

though, as some of these folks say, this could be BP’s new norm.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Jul 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, Mr. Scott!

Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do, make our dreams come true!

by the finest muffins on Jul 26, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

listen, chick: because they belong in the kitchen!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, the site was acting funky for a while, I couldn't figure out what was going on

A random reader scrolling through is going to think I’m a misogynist jerk

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

either that or just not funny.

maybe both are true!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 for 3!

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could cry tears of joy

but I won’t I’ll save that for when we win the NLCS

by Red_Poodle on Jul 26, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

this really is a completely different lineup with Rolen in it

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is

Rolen is a fairly serious threat to any opposing pitcher and he doesn’t strikeout alot. In short, he is a pretty significantly better cleanup hitter than Gomes.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 26, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's not just that

I like that Gomes doesn’t have to shoulder the burden of hitting 4th. I feel like Votto will see better pitches against righties (and probably lefties) with Rolen behind him. I like that instead of Gomes/Bruce having to produce in the 4/5 spot, it’s almost like anything we get from them (esp. Bruce) is gravy at #6.

I also like that we’re down to one hole in the lineup. Just wish that hole wasn’t leading off.
/one hole in the one hole’d

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you about Bruce and Gomes

Gomes has been excellent at driving in 2 out runs this year and I think he is more valuable to us hitting after Rolen gets a shot at driving in the 1-3 guys than having Gomes change his approach in that spot. Maybe Gomes is just regressing, but I imagine the sudden lineup shift didn’t help him much.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 26, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be happy with winning the division.

I suppose making the playoffs as a Wild Card is good too but I just have a vision of how amazing it would be to win the division.

I don’t feel like we’re in any position to expect a World Series win or even a first round win. We’re in position to hope but not to be disappointed by not winning it all.

"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison

by sexsalad on Jul 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Going into the season all I wanted was a winning season. I'm still content with that.

If the Reds win more, I’ll be thrilled. I’m definently buying like five shirts if they win the Central or make the playoffs as the Wild Card. That shit’s a must.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not content with just that any more

Going into the season, we thought we had a crummy team. Turns out we’re substantially better than that. We’ve separated ourselves from the rabble of the Central, and have a great chance to beat the Cardinals. Even if we don’t, the wild card is definitely in play. So far, all of the big trade chips have gone to the AL, so no NL team has really distanced themselves yet. The playoffs are in reach, and at this point in the season, with how the team has performed so far, it is absolutely a disappointment if we don’t make the playoffs.

October is the goal!

by Brendanukkah on Jul 26, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed the

“hunt for the red october” chintz that came out in 2006. I would be all over that again this year.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Jul 26, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The tagline so far this year has been

“The Chase for Reds October.” Combine this choice with the whole “Sir Arthur” instead of “King Arthur” thing, and it’s clear that the Reds hate literary references.

by the finest muffins on Jul 26, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but they do have

“Janish the obscure”

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Jul 26, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe it's homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Jul 26, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

READING IS FOR NERDS!

AND KINDELS ARE FOR COMPUTER NERDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about this in reference to the gap between NL and AL

That gap sure ain’t closing as long as the AL keeps signing and trading for all the good players.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm keeping that a secret from myself

Secretly, I would be happy with a +.500 season at the end of the year, but I don’t need to tell myself that now. Let’s enjoy the ride! Playoffs or bust!!

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Jul 26, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone else find the ongoing war between the Angels and Rangers funny?

The Rangers get Cliff Lee, the Angels counter with Haren.

The Angels get Haren, the Rangers begin looking at Volstad as well as Cantu and Derek Lee

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I do.

Since I think there’s absolutely zero chance that either one of those teams makes the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that's the biggest WTF of them all.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yer gawwdam right

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 26, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

South Park'd!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am da law

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

D Lee?

he’s not doing very well this year, I was going to say they could look at Berkman to find first baseman but he isn’t doing well either.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 26, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cubs want to clean house. Bad.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They want to get rid of Fukudome, too.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best thing about them, though, is that all of their assets are almost untradeable

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Jul 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. It's great. Hendry has made some terrible, terrible contract deals.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, perspective.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 26, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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