Free Chris Heisey!
by Slyde on Jul 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
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Just a simple post this morning. I posted this on twitter, but I wanted to bring it here for discussion:
Since June 1st:
| Name | Starts | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| Chris Heisey | 9 | 54 | .304 | .389 | .457 |
| Jay Bruce | 42 | 180 | .256 | .294 | .393 |
| Drew Stubbs | 40 | 166 | .253 | .305 | .420 |
| Jonny Gomes | 40 | 174 | .247 | .293 | .418 |
| Laynce Nix | 8 | 51 | .265 | .294 | .306 |
June 1st was an arbitrary date, but I didn't want to punish anyone for struggling just in July, so I extended to the start of June. I could go all the way back to when Heisey was called up and I think his numbers would still be comparable, if not better. And yes, he's had a terribly small sample - he's probably not an .850 OPS guy - but hasn't he at least done enough to deserve more starts? I don't see any reason why he can't get 4 starts a week in all 3 outfield spots. And what's great about that is that he could bat second and move Orlando Cabrera down in the order.
I know. I'm dreaming.
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Agreed
at the least, he needs to start 3 times a week. I have a feeling Baker felt he couldn’t sit Gomes this week with Rolen out.
Fielding
Heisey’s a good fielder too. Reports were he’s at least average in CF, which puts him well above average in a corner. My guess is he’s at least equal to Bruce out there in the field. I’d like to see Jonny Gomes sit a lot more.
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i don't think he's Bruce's equal in RF
doesn’t quite have the arm
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
interesting that a month ago bruce was "the best defensive right fielder in baseball"
but now, heisey is just as good
I think Heisey has more range
But perhaps not as good an arm.
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i will go out on a limb
and state that Heisey definitely doesn’t have as good an arm as Jay Bruce.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I'm also not convinced that he has better range either.
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by Slyde on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if the Reds didnt pick up
Gomes option in the offseason- would he get a Major League offer from any team.
He didnt last year and his power is evaporating this year along with a sub 300 OBP and subpar defense.
Its well past the time to get Heisey some serious time in LF.
Reds would be nuts to pick up that option
Even if he is just a bench guy its a very reasonable contract for the Power, IMO.
I think you left off a "not"
and I agree. When was the last time the Reds had someone like Gomes on the bench. The problem is that I don’t see them picking up anyone to play LF in place of him, so he’d be the sole starter again. I’m not so sure he’s suited for that role.
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The site sucks on that thing, so don't be too hard on yourself
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You said "hard on"
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
I also said "sucks on that thing"
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he just tried to out-jch jch
and that never works
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by nycredsfan on Jul 23, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heisey can't play, silly
Who else would guard Janish to make sure he doesn’t leave the bench?
It's summertime - go Reds!
i think the more ABs Janish and Heisey get
the more likely their production will decrease, drastically in Janish’s case.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
The real question that I have is
What has Stubbs done to deserve such a chance that Heisey hasn’t done? I know it’s not all about the numbers, but Heisey’s minor league numbers are much better than Stubbs and it’s not like he’s terrible defensively.
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Yup
although maybe recently it’s because Stubbs has been just about the best bat in the lineup. In July he is hitting .286 with a .884 OPS. Really only Votto has been better, but it’s only because Joey has walked a ton more. O-Cab has hit for more average, but still a terrible OBP and non-existent power.
Maybe Dusty feels Stubbs is turning a corner and wants to stick with him?
I have no problem with Stubbs starting 6 out of 7 games
With Heisey getting 1 start in CF a week……and then 3 starts a week in LF.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
Gomes is so streaky though
need to ride him when he is hot. He has a bunch of games where he has more than one RBI. Probably more than any one on the team other than Votto
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I'd be for Heisey getting starts in RF against some LHP as well
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I agree with you
Heisey has been very impressive. He has something that neither Stubbs or Bruce seem to as well—an ability to it in difficult, high leverage situations. He has had about 2-3 homeruns pinch hitting in the ninth.
I don't believe this is so much a skill as chance
That is, yes, those were clutch hits, but I wouldn’t over value them against the big picture. It could be that Heisey, given a regular starting role, will run into the same issues once the book is out on him.
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that is true
I think it does suggest, since it’s hapend so many times (Strasburg night too) that Heisey might be better at handling pressure than Stubbs or Bruce in clutch situations. He may turn out to have the same problems (I definitely don’t expect him to be good every time he comes into a situation like that, he failed agianst the Rockies for example), but he deserves the shot to mess it up lol.
Well
This year, Heisey is 6 for 21 with 2 HR in “Late & Close” situations (I believe it is 7th or later, game within 3 runs).
In 2009, Stubbs was 8 for 27 with 3 HR in those situations. This year he’s 11 for 51 with 1 HR.
In 2008, Bruce was 8 for his first 23 with 1 HR in those situations. Been much worse sense.
My point is, we really haven’t seen a lot of those situations from Heisey yet.
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that is a bit of a wake up call
I didn’t realize Bruce had that many hits in those situations in ’08. Maybe Heisey would fall off as well, but, like Bruce and Stubbs, he has shown enough promise to get more playing time
Micah got screwed
this lineup needs a bat, not (arguably) a replacement level bullpen arm.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
That has nothing to do with my point
my point is that they seem content to give Stubbs every chance in the world, but Heisey can be stashed on the bench. The only reason is because Stubbs is perceived to have immense talent (and maybe he does), but Heisey was a 17th round pick out of Messiah College.
I don’t care if Heisey starts over Stubbs or Gomes, but he deserves at least some shot at starting.
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"but Heisey was a 17th round pick out of Messiah College."
Dusty Baker is an atheist!
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Sounds like Yost and the Brewers. Guys viewed by the org got plugged in and left regardless. Ironically, Macha will play anyone based on his expectations and their performance. The fans, at least the loudest ones, hate it and want players like “best hitting prospect” Gamel plugged in and left for years. Of course some of those same people are angry that rookie Escobar was “gifted” a position. I suppose its mostly about losing.
yeah, that's probably the reason
“Pedigree.”
I think Heisey should be given a chance to start. I hate, hate, HATE the way Dusty uses his bench. It would be bad even if they were all crafty veterans like Cairo, but it’s really bad for young guys just learning how to hit the big leagues.
I know why the Reds did it. They were out of CFers, and had to do something. Seems kind of short-sighted to me, though. C-Dick’s trip to the DL was entirely predictable. Heck, that was the reason given for not starting him in CF.
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Yeah, reputation seems to mean a lot to this org
But Stubbs has never come close to putting up a season like Heisey did last year.
Still, I’d replace Gomes. An OF of Heisey, Stubbs, Bruce makes me giddy
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by nycredsfan on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bingo
Stubbs was a 1st round pick, just ahead of you-know-who. He’ll get a longer rope.
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To be fair
Stubbs has dropped more fly balls than you-know-who has won Cy Young Awards. So there’s that.
by riverfront76 on Jul 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
all high draft picks get a considerably longer rope
see: Bruce, Jay
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Sure it does.
He should get more playing time for Bruce and Gomes (right now) than Stubbs (right now) until the guys work out of it. I wouldn’t mind seeing Heisey start 2 times in left, 1 in right (or 2 against tough lefties, since Bruce is in a slump for now), and 1 in center!
you are missing my point
it has nothing to do with whose playing time he should get. It has to do with the fact that Stubbs has gotten more opportunities to succeed or fail despite not having anything over Heisey besides supposedly more talent. At some point, Heisey should be given the same opportunity, in my opinion.
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replace Stubbs with Bruce also in the text above, no?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
no
Because Bruce actually dominated the minor leagues. I’m not just talking about struggles at the big leagues. Heisey was a better hitter in the minors than Stubbs.
Plus, Bruce is 2+ years younger than both of those guys. He deserves a longer rope.
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To me, it's the difference between appearing to have talent
and actually showing that talent at some point. Bruce has shown that talent. Stubbs looks good on paper, but hasn’t shown anything (except on defense) to justify the chances he gets over Heisey, in my opinion.
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i think its incredibly inaccurate
to state Stubbs only appears to have talent as opposed to showing that talent at some point.
Go Drew Stubbs! He’s my favorite centerfielder!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I don't mean to say that Stubbs has no talent
Clearly he does, though I don’t believe he has the level of talent that the Reds seem to think he has. And I’m not arguing that Stubbs shouldn’t get a chance to play too. All I’m saying is that Heisey deserves as much of a chance as Stubbs, but he won’t get it.
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by Slyde on Jul 23, 2010 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Several times this off-season, when i argued Dickerson should platoon with Stubbs, I heard smart baseball fans say Stubbs deserved to start
because he was a first round draft pick. The counter-argument that so were Ty Howington and Chad Mottola had no effect. The name of the game is production and Heisey deserves some of that Stubbs’s PT
agreed
better start giving some rest to guys for the stretch run. Same thing with Janish. give him 1 game a week at 3rd and a couple at short.
Not sure what Dusty will do when Cdick comes off the dl. I’d guess Heisey is heading down river.
All that being said the Reds need to find a bat somewhere to add
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i'd daynce like y'all did this offseason when Rose was traded if that happened
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What if Heisey Started Backing Up Votto at 1st?
Since Gomes isn’t doing it this year. I know Heisey is a plus defender in the outfield, but it would be nice to work his bat into the lineup.
How many At Bats would that give him?
Other than the neck injury and his one day off, he’s out there each day.
True, it's very few at bats
But maybe the lineup doesn’t look quite as bad if Joey gets hurt.
agreed
plus what would Ramon do?
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he can't catch every day anymore
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plus he is a decent defensive back up at first
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My favorite part of the game on ESPN on wednesday
Was when they cut to Ramon and said he’d be back soon and take most of the time at C because “he’s by far the best hitting option.”
they said this while Hanigan’s +.300 BA pops on the screen
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by nycredsfan on Jul 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it is stupid that we can't see games broadcats on ESPN here
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YESYESYES
This should be done with Heisey rotating through the outfield. This should also be done with Janish on the left side of the infield.
I’m amazed that Heisey has held up in this role as well as he has. Not many young guys can perform this well without playing every day.
I like your post, and agree Heisey deserves more starts
It seems like since Stubbs has got back his ’09 stride Heisey rarly spells ANYONE.
They could easily work him into the lineup 3 times a week by spelling each of the OF on different nights.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 23, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
On a side note - Slyde
I have followed the Reds very closely this season, and living in Indy have watched them play a number of times on the local Fox sports. So I have a few insider questions that maybe you can answer for me?
I know it’s not the off-season yet, … but … with the depth of SP that the Reds are showing this season, is there a future for either Harang or Arroyo in Cincinnati? Also, what chance do you think Chris Valaika has at displacing Cabrera in the future?
Last question, aside from Chapman coming up do you see any other pitchers being called up to add depth to the SP/BP?
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
To your SS question
Zack Cozart is much more likely to take his place. The org doesn’t see Valaika as a SS
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by nycredsfan on Jul 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then where does Valaika go ... 2B!?
He’s going to get held up at every position except SS, unless the Reds trade away one of their current starters, or let them go to FA. I really don’t see then letting Votto, Phillips or now Rolen go without at least a trade. And if the Reds plan on being competitive which I expect is true, they’ll fight hard to keep them all for more than 2 years.
So I guess I answered my own question. Valaika gets shipped out while he’s still worth something. But I think they should keep him, and trade away Cozart.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He has almost no power, and little plate discipline. Honestly, he profiles as an ideal utility infielder.
He could start as SS for a little while, although he’d be below average there. Unless BP gets injured or traded, Valaika is blocked.
I wouldn’t trade Cozart in favor of Valaika. Cozart’s OBP is similar, and his SLG is way higher, and he is a plus defender at SS.
Also, there is something to be said for the fact that he is doing well in AAA during his first go round, whereas it took Valaika a year to adjust.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Jared Burton is pitching pretty well down in AAA in the bullpen
and Springer and Isringhausen are possibilities down the road.
As for starters, both Maloney and Lecure showed positives while they were up here briefly
Reds fan for 40 years!
What is so frustrating about this
Is that we’re stuck in the all-too-familiar position of feeling like the best team isn’t being put on the field.
We finally get rid of CoPat and Taveras, Hanigan earns more pt, but now we’ve got a guy on the bench who is possibly better than 2 of our starters
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by nycredsfan on Jul 23, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
remember Jocketty
saying that he would see that Janish got plenty of playing time, to make sure he could continue to develop?
Sure. And the check is in the mail, this train will be moving shortly, and I promise I won’t come in your mouth.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wow
I did not see that last sentence coming
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by nycredsfan on Jul 23, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Victor is a god.
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by jch24 on Jul 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i saw this failbook posting this morning and i thought
“i’d like to post this on red reporter, but there will never be a reason…”
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The problem is, no man should ever promise that. When the time comes (every pun intended), most men probably couldn’t tell you what their middle name is if asked. There’s no way he’s gonna be able to say, “look out, incoming!”.
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by jch24 on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a green.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 23, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he remeber'd at 27 Janish is probably as developed as he's gonna get
Riddle me this, Bubba, can you do all those things?* If so, my hat is off to you.
*Clearly rhetorical. please do NOT answer that riddle
didn't you promise you would ignore the Janish discussions?
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by BubbaFan on Jul 24, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if this is another Lady Gaga joke, I'm gonna kick you in the ding ding
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Because sheep can hear a zipper from a mile away!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 23, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, why do Scots fuck sheep on a cliff's edge?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So the sheep pushes back!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
also works next to water, from what I've been told
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You know from experience!
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-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 23, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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