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The Fay dubs it Atlanta II
Cordero has walked five batters in his last five outings. I know a lot of you out there in Redsland are calling for a new closer. I don’t see it happening. Cordero had converted seven in row before Friday. The Reds better hope he gets on another roll, or the second half could be rough.
Maybe he converted seven in a row, but it sure seems like it was more adventurous than it needed to be. His WHIP is 1.55 now. That’s not because of one bad week.
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I honestly just feel like I got punched in the stomach.
Watching this unfold was remarkable.
by chazzilla on Jul 10, 2010 12:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I love this and it makes me feel a little less cold inside.
Ohio got punched in the fucking nuts the last two days. (sports wise anyway)
by chazzilla on Jul 10, 2010 12:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
please don't discuss Cincinnati and Cleveland sports in the same statement.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the Cavs.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this will cheer you up:
Or this:
Or this:
by the finest muffins on Jul 10, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
beside the 9th inning theatrics
this team had 3 outs on the basepaths with against a horrible pitcher.
Joey Votto falls asleep at first.
Cairo bizarrely tries to go for a triple.
Phillips tries to stretch a single to a double coming after a game where they had to yell at him to run to first like he was playing a little league game.
The Reds should have been up by 10 going into the 9th making the game Dusty and CoCo proof.
It is funny you should post this
because I was about to bring up the same points. Very bad base running tonight imo
by keepitsimple125 on Jul 10, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like the Friday before the weekend it seems when no work really gets done.
(Friday meaning the week before the all star break and weekend is the all star break) zzz
It is the soothing thing about history that it does repeat itself. -Gertrude Stein
Getting picked off sucks
but I’m not going to complain too much about making outs trying to stretch hits. Aggressive base running has been this team’s M.O. all season and that means sometimes you’re going to be cut down.
Besides, they scored 7 runs and had a 6-run lead going into the 9th. I’m not blaming anyone but the failure of the pitching staff to hold a 6-run lead.
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Sorry, I didn't see it, so I don't know how bad it was
still not going to complain much about an offense that puts 7 runs on the board
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Sorry Dave ...no game can ever be Coco proofed
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
That game was amazing
It went from great to awful in one drink. And I drink quickly.
If you're not having fun, stop participating.
This loss does seem awfully karmic.
What have been the big themes around Reds country this week?
-Gleeful schadenfreude at the Cardinals’ massive late-inning implosions in Colorado
-Disparaging Ryan Howard’s skills at baseball
-General disdain for Charlie Manuel
Now, I’m not saying those things were necessarily wrong. But a walk-off home run by Ryan Howard after a huge Phillies comeback in the ninth seems like a spanking from the universe. Let’s all just sit here in our time out corners and think about it! ;)
by the finest muffins on Jul 10, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions
Let's not forget
Halladay is going tomorrow — the odds of the Reds beating him twice in a week = pretty slim.
Maloney is going for the Reds on Sunday.
This could turn into a sweep real quicklike, and the Cards could be tied with the Reds going into the break. Talk about a cosmic spanking.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
that pretty much cannot happen
I’m not sure the Reds are mentally strong enough to deal with a sweep
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in Hawaii
this is called “bachi.”
It’s often translated as “what goes around, comes around.”
IOW, karma that happens before you die. :-)
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Bonehead Baker
All the Reds fans out there, we got to give real dinger to Baker on this loss. Cardinals made a major league record for giving up 9 runs in the 9th inning to lose to the Rockies and we have Baker here trying to match and better the Cardinals. Everyone has seen how Cordero pitches. He keeps everyone on the edge of the seat because he likes to make all of us temperature rising. Usually you need to give Cordero at least a two run margin so he can waste one. Why in this bloody heat, he did not pull Leake who needs to reduce his pitch count for his first year. Hopefully with a 6 run lead, Cordero won’t muff it in the 9th. It may not be a save situation but with Cordero, he will make it a save situation when he gives up enough runs first to make the ballgame interesting. Bonehead Baker did not make the move at the start of the 9th and when his bonehead twitched, he made another bonehand move by bringing in Cordero with only a 2 run margin and then exposed Rhodes out there before his first All-Star appearance. You think Manuel will use Rhodes in late inning in the All-Star game now?
yup
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again… Dusty does not manage. he only reacts. he lets the game make the decisions for him, like when to pull a pitcher. just like when he was trying to get travis wood eligible for his first win and he almost blew the game wide open (for the other team) earlier in the week. you can not manage with your heart. you have to manage with your head. when you start trying to manage with your heart, you stop thinking and then before you know it, you might as well put the bat boy in to pitch.
I have to agree
I was watching the Game and Leake was rolling through 8 innings and I was like humm.. I think they should take him out and what does Dusty do he gets sentimental wanting to get his guy a complete game. Dusty take him out you want his pitch counts down pull him in the 8th. That inning was so frustrating and to have us lose 2 games in a row in extras by a Phillies home run made me just cringe. After this disaster of the first 2 games. Ill be happy if we win 1 now. I really thought we could split this series. sigh… still could but its not likely now.
Jason King
Bat boy pitching?
Didn’t he do that last year, twice?
by the finest muffins on Jul 10, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Chill guys.
Breathe deeply.
Repeat my sig line 3×.
The best team in baseball will lose 1/3 of its games. The worst team in baseball will win 1/3 of its games. What happens with the other third determines where you fall in between those two points.
So we put another © group (50/50) game in the loss column tonight (even if it should have been a (B) game (win). Still, we have claimed several Ws from the (L) group that we had no right to win.
So the question becomes — Can the lineup steal more of those than Duster and the pen give away? I think the evidence points to a very strong maybe. :)
And I’ll take that for now.
You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.
Welly welly welly well...what have we here...a 6 run lead blown in the 9th...sounds familiar...
The floor is now open for any Cards fans out there to mock and bait the numbskulls who couldn’t resist the urge to do the same at their forum a few days ago. Do your worst – teach them a lesson.
see what happens when you fuckers start getting cocky and talking shit?
i won’t be the least bit surprised or pissed when VEB unleashes their collective Nelson Muntz “haw-haw” on us tomorrow. some of you deserve it.
/gets off high horse
anyway, great game by leake.
"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki
fwiw
you have my empathy. Testicle Exploding Shit Storms are never fun.
nice anti-troll thread tho
"He’s in his own world out there. He says he doesn’t cuss. I disagree." - Skip Schumaker on Jason Motte
Austin Wilson, please don't be a tease!
thanks
we’ve already experienced the blown lead many times this year (which runs up the come from behind victory tally—a number of those were easy wins!) and the 6+ ruin blown lead twice now. It is heartbreaking to watch as a fan.
I was at a party
and someone told me we were winning 6-1 in the 8th then I hear later that we lost. I got very angry and said some nasty stuff about Cordero. I’m very distraught by this loss. These types of things make me wonder if I shoudl follow sports at all. The terrible losses feel so much worse than winning feels good.
I know I attack Cordero more often than others
but I thnk he is killing us, too much money and never enough output. He almost lost the game in New York just earlier this week.
Coco
I have to say looking and watching him last year he seemed to have much better control of his pitches. Is the stress of a playoff run too much for this guy. Lately Coco reminds me of the years when Weathers was the closer and I had to close my eyes for the 9th inning cause I didn’t know what was going to happen. Are there any closer type pitchers on the market.. This is what the reds need is bullpen help not a necessarily a staring pitcher. Though I would have loved to get Lee but what would have been the cost??? too much probably. I don’t want the Reds to just contend this year and then not again for 10 more years. Still would not mind if they got Oswalt but it would probably again cost too much. Anyone have any ideas for a bullpen guy we might try to get to help out at the end.
Jason King
Ondrusek
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ondrusek would be good.
When is Bailey supposed to return? Is it possible one of the guys we called up to replace him or Harang in the line-up can do the job? I don’t know what the rules are on this.
For each guy from AAA we’ve seen lately, they pitched well but ran into trouble when they got deep into the pitch count. As a closer, you wouldn’t have to worry about that, you just have to pitch well for an inning or two.
Even SI said the Reds need to find themselves a good closer by the end of the season if we want to get serious about October baseball and all.
I think Homer would be best served as a closer
His mindset is not great for starting, and a constant adrenaline rush might be what he needs to stay focused (and only having to focus for one inning would help too). His stuff is probably good enough.
and he said it takes him longer than normal to warm up.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said many times
Homer Bailey, future Reds Closer
And I’m fine with that, I just wonder if Homer would be fine with it
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Meek is a BA GB pitcher.
I’d take him in a heartbeat.
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I don't know if I read it here or not
But there are rumors the Bucs want to convert him to a starter. I think it would cost a lot to get him. If they want to deal him at all.
Watch it, ass blood.
Not to beat a dead horse
The only mistake Dusty made was not to at least have someone warming in the pen in case Leake ran out of gas. Cordero didn’t start warming until after Leakes 3rd batter. Again, just like Atlanta, Cordero probably had to rush warming up.
someone else said it here before
Except for some dice rolling, against the grain, preemptive decisions, Dusty reactively manages. He lets the game make decisions for him and by then a lot of times it’s too late.
i said that!!!!!!!!!!!!
yay, someone agrees with me!!!!!
Ah, woe.
Well, I’m off to Fenway park for the day. For redsox futures games (not redsox games, thank goodness, this is way cheaper!). Now I just have to figure out how the green line works.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
You could end up in one of about a million different termini!
And apparently the “Fenway” stop is not actually the one you want to use to get to Fenway Park.
The T is awful.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's Kenmore
but the “Fenway” stop isn’t that far either.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
the T is awful
sometimes having to take T buses between T train stations to connect lines
just awful
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
my favorite part of the T is the silver line
buses in subway tunnels. They ran out of money when they were building it, and couldn’t afford to lay down track, so instead they just put buses down there.
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by justin007000 on Jul 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The T
Haha, the green line…I love how there are four different lines that are all called “green.”
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You can take any green line train outbound to Kenmore,
then take the exit to the left. It looks like a clusterfuck, but it’s actually fairly easy. And even for futures games, the crowd will usually lead you right to the stadium. Just for everyone’s future reference.
by BostonColtsFan on Jul 10, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Pun intended?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Jul 10, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate the T
It is the most confusing subway/tram system in the world.
Plus the Green line out near Boston College runs at street level, at the will of the traffic, and has way too many stops. They could really make that thing more efficient, and eliminate stops. I think Drew Stubbs could get around Boston faster on foot.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew Stubbs is really fast
so I believe this
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as everyone wants to blame this on Dusty
They had a 6-run lead in the 9th and lost. That’s a performance failure more than anything. Maybe Dusty waited too long to take Leake out, but damn, he was facing Greg Dobbs, who RAISED his batting average to .192 last night. It’s not like he was facing the meat of the Phillies lineup in that at-bat.
Dusty makes a lot of mistakes, but I blame the pitchers for not doing their job more than Dusty. He has to be able to trust that his pitchers can protect a 6-run lead, doesn’t he?
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by Slyde on Jul 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would say that
if this hadn’t happend to us already this year. It happend in ATlanta and Dusty shoudl have been ready. I didn’t trust that 6 run lead, he really shouldn’t have.
This is only the 7th time in the last 5+ years that any team in MLB has blown a 6-run lead in the 9th
The Reds had a 99.5% chance of winning this game when the 9th started. Blowing a 6-run lead is not a contingency any manager plans for at the start of the 9th inning.
I have a hard time blaming the manager for leaving a pitcher in the game with only 84 pitches thrown, for not taking him out instead of facing a hitter batting below .190, or for going to his closer with a 2-run lead and expecting to not lose it. If he had brought in Ondrusek or Masset in the 9th and the Reds still blew it, people would be all over him for taking Leake out. At some point, you just have to blame the players for the mistakes they made.
BTW, of the 7 times a 6-run lead has been blown in the 9th in the last 5 years, the Reds have been the team blowing the lead 4 times. That’s crazy.
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by Slyde on Jul 10, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fire Dusty
he should have known this was the one game with a 0.5% chance of losing this game.
the fact he has this ballclub in first place halfway through the season is immaterial. another manager would have this club up by 10 or 12 games!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
part of me thinks you're being sarcastic
and the other part of me agrees with you that a pro-active manager might have this team with a bigger lead in the NL Central.
and by pro-active, I mean one who makes better in-game bullpen decisions, instead of just using the usual suspects in their usual roles
but hey, that Joey Votto guy’s not too bad!
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why VEB thinks the Reds are lucky
That is terrible that we’ve blown a lead like that that that many times.
I don’t really blame Dusty, because, thinking about it, it doesn’t matter how much warm up time Crdero gets, he messes up. I think Leake and Cordero should shoulder a huge amount of blame for this. Fromn the looks of it, Leake already has.. Leake had a great game going and he is just about as responsible as Cordero for destorying it.
I kinda feel we've been lucky, too
It just seems like we’ve won a lot of games we should have (or at least could have) lost.
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I'm fine with letting Leake start the 9th.
by Chris Welsh's Missing Moustache on Jul 10, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What I meant to say is ...
I fine with him starting the ninth, but it was pretty obvious that he didn’t have it any more when he let 4/5 batters reach base. So there was plenty of time between the start of the inning and the Dobbs tater where Dusty could have made a move.
by Chris Welsh's Missing Moustache on Jul 10, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
well
they still had a 5-run lead when Dobbs came to the plate, so I’m guessing Dusty wasn’t panicking yet. Hell, they still had a 2-run lead when he went to CoCo. The real issue is that Cordero couldn’t get out 2 of Brian Schneider, Ben Francisco, or Cody Ransom.
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I realize the managing for the happy path is the usually the best approach
… but I think there was ample evidence before Dobbs came to bat that Leake wasn’t all that sharp anymore. I don’t think he was fooling anybody to begin with (you don’t get to 84 pitches in 8 innings by missing a lot of bats), so once he started allowing base runners, it was only a matter of time before someone squared one up. I would have took him out after he gave up that first run. That being said, your $12-million closer should be able to stop the fire with a 2-run lead.
by Chris Welsh's Missing Moustache on Jul 10, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
and I don't mean to insinuate
that pitching to contact or taking a low pitch count into the 9th inning is a bad thing. This was an otherwise excellent performance for Leake. I just wish Dusty would have erred on the side of caution instead of ultimately meaningless stats.
by Chris Welsh's Missing Moustache on Jul 10, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he did
He didn’t?
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Leake seemed to fall apart in a flash
He started poorly but was bailed out on linedrives hit right at his defense. But around the 3rd or 4th he really settled down until it all went kabloowie.
I can’t pin this one on Dusty unless Cordero clearly didn’t have enough of a warmup.
I was listening to Doc Rodgers on my way home from work last night
i did not see the game, but Doc said that Leake was living lucky all night, and gave up a lot or hard hit line drives right at people.
Truth?
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
An element of truth
He was pretty lucky the first few innings.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc's argument was Leake was living lucky all night
get him out after 7 or 8 and let him feel good, rather than let him pitch 9 and hope things don’t fall apart.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewers must be on that list. I don’t think it was that big of a lead, but 2 years ago they lost one in Arizona without recording an out – maybe 5 runs. It was almost all groundball singles. DBacks fans still talk about that game.
nope
Minnesota in 2007 and Tampa in 2009 both blew 10-4 leads in the 9th. Milwaukee did blow a 5-run lead in the 9th at home vs. Philly in 2007 and on the road in Arizona in 2008.
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Today is a new day
my heartahce has been replaced by anger at all responsible, the blame is chiefly on Cordero (and Dusty if it’s true he had no one wamring up). He saw Atlanta. As usual, I continue to dislike Philadelphia’s te, their manager and espeally Werth followed closely by Victorino and Howard.
Halladay is due for a massive implosion
Maybe my memory is faulty, but I seem to remember CoCo warming at the start of the inning.
I remember reactions of “Really? Why Cordero” very early on in the 9th.
by the finest muffins on Jul 10, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
really most of the blame is on the pitching staff period
and it’s not like Coco, warmed up well, is really very good,when it’s all added together at the end of the season, Cordero may have cost us this division. Doesn’t he have 6 blown saves already?
correct
6 blown saves in 30 opportunities : 80% conversion rate.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention all the near blown saves
like that lucky double play against the Cubs last week that saved the game. His blown save rate could be much higher and might keep getting worse.
Yes, I recall thinking the same thing
I think the lead was still 6 runs, because I looked at the score and thought, “why the hell is he up already? What a waste!”
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no-Phili announcers questioned Dusty on this
They showed a shot of Price on the phone after the first run scored.
the reason I remember
I was thinking to myself-as I do now since the Atlanta game- Is it it safe to relax? Then the Phili announcers said something to the effect of "and the Reds seem content to have Leake finish this game. There is noone throwing in the Reds’ bullpen. When it became appearant that leake was struggling the camera panned to the reds bullpen for a shot of Price on the Phone. I’m assuming that was the call to the bullpen. Leake was on his third batter by then.
yeah
It was discussed in the game thread.
I was wondering the same thing. Having a pitcher warming, good idea. But why Cordero?
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I. AM. CRUSHED.
Halladay vs. Wood tonight too…. Thank God for the All-Star break, or I’d be very concerned that this awful loss could lead to the giant losing streak I was fearing all season
they should let Arroyo go on Sunday
decrease the likely hood of a sweep.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I've given this some thought
as I sturggle to understand it, and I’ve decided I I’’ll never trust a lead this team puts together and I don’t like most of thej pitching staff.
The sky is in fact not falling.
I like our chances to win at least one of the next two games with two lefties going against this lineup. Suppan and Hawksworth are pitching the next two games for the Deadbirds. We should be in much better shape after the All Star break with the additions of Volquez and Hannigan (to a lesser extent, Bailey and possibly Chapman). Hopefully the Rolen injury is not a nagging one and we can continue to see him play as well as he has in the first half. If we have learned anything this year, it is that this team does not give up. My concern is that for this year, our two biggest holes (SS and closer) are probably not going to be addressed by a trade. I however, am glad we did not send our best prospects to Seattle for 3 months of Lee. This team is set up well for the next few years, and Yonder needs to be moved for a SS of the future. We are on the upswing, while everyone else in the division seems to be going the other way (StL maybe less than others, but still).
Watch it, ass blood.
They are, in fact, 12-6 in their last 18 games
This loss sucked, but it is simply one loss.
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by Slyde on Jul 10, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, the two 10-run wins against Chicago weren't that long ago.
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by Cy Schourek on Jul 10, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if this is just like any other loss
th is the second time this season they’ve given up a 6 run lead in the 9th. I can’t imagine that does any good for team trust of the pitching staff.
heartbreaking losses sting more than blowouts
i still think there is help on the way for the bullpen.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Fingers crossed
I know Walt sees that they’re shaky. I believe he’ll fix it.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just h\ope there is something left worth saving
when he finally gets around to it. I don’t want to be cynical, but this is a very bad time to decide to be terrible. The Cardinals get Houston after their difficult losses, we had Cleveland last time. This time we get Halladay, Hamels and the Rockies after the All-Star break.
Cueto is having an outstanding year
nice 8-2 record and a 3.42 ERA. that’ll do!
Bronson is 9-4 with a 4.04 ERA. that’ll do, also!
Harang is approaching a .500 record with an ERA almost under 5.00 after a rough start
Leake is 6-1 with an ERA in the mid 3’s.
Volquez, Homer (hopefully) and Aroldis are all on the way with the calvary. Wood and Maloney can man the 5th slot if someone in the rotations sustains an injury.
i dont things are that bleak. (unless Rolen/Votto/Bruce get hurt)
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
don't even say anythign about them getting injured!
it isn’t bleak right now, but I’m worried about facing a tough Rockies team right after the All-Star break after a bad Philadlphia series. That could do a lot of damage
Chapman as closer!
The new Billy Wagner!
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
see any similarities between
Jack Armstrong’s first half in 1990 and Mike Leake in 2010?
Jack wasn’t even in the postseason rotation….and i dont think Leake would be, either, with his increase in IP this season over last.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Armstrong did pitch well in the WS.
But then again, so did Scott Scudder.
Looking back, after Rijo and Browning, there wasn’t much in the second half rotation. Patchwork at best.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
absolutely
lots of similarities there.
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i'll take three more of these 9th inning heartbreaks ...
… if in the end it gets us to the playoffs
Time to bring back Pete .... Pete Mackanin that is.
What about Coco pitching the 9th in October?
We should all be taking care to lower our blood pressure now so we don’t lose a commenter.
by Eastwindquinn on Jul 10, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if someone linked to this (if so, I apologize for doing it here) but
check out little Leake!
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sh-sandiegosting070710
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
awww
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
ken linked to that in the game thread.
It’s a good article, and yes, little Mikey was adorable.
by the finest muffins on Jul 10, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Much like the Atlanta debacle...
yesterday is now dead to me. To day is a new day. Hopefully we can get to Doc like we did last time, get good pitching from…Wood(?), and win this one to get that taste out of our collective mouths.
First in the division. Ten games over .500. We have a pretty good team, Walt has addressed areas of need for contenders in the past. I have faith. Go Reds, they’re our favorite team!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Great. The Tigers are going to go after Stephen Drew.
Unsurprisingly, the Reds aren’t going to be able to cut deadweight Cabrera even though there’s clearly an opportunity here to do so. I guess the clubhouse likes him too much. Man do I HATE likable veterans that suck at producing offense and defense. Cabrera has cost this team wins and we’ll have to endure him for another year and a half.
Shut your damn mouth.
I fucking know we’re not, I’m just pointing out that another team is and that it’s stupid that we’re not going after him.
1. You ain't got a right to be hostile
2. You don’t know who we are or aren’t going after, and neither does D.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
1. maybe not, but he just raised his xFLIP!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I concur
It’s stupid that we’re not going after Stephen Drew
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what are we going to do next year?
Cozart is hitting about as well as Janish down in AAA.
And Jocketty is an idiot if he re-signs Cabrera.
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simple
the Reds should simply conduct polls here on RR re: personnel and management decisions then act according to the results.
then the Reds would have Cliff Lee, Hanley Ramirez, one of the Mods would be managing the team and Slyde would be emperor! (plus jch would delete any anti-new regime comments that found their way into game threads and reposters!)
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
that's b/c the Reds are stupid
better SS available, only costs prospects?
maintain the status quo of suck at SS?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder...
if Walt/front office have even considered upgrading SS. To me, this is one of our biggest needs. More so than a starting pitcher, IMO. Hell, even more so than bullpen help (which we could very well find inside of the organization)
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Can we splice Miguel Cairo and Orlando Cabrera together
then reverse engineer the products.
(Miguel Cairo) / (Orlando Cabrera)==== Miguel Cabrera + Orlando Cairo
DFA- Orlando Cairo
by featherman on Jul 10, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
true
but then Janish could play and Miguel Cabrera could spot Rolen/Votto/Outfield and pinch hit. All for the price of M Cairo and O. Cabrera.
good plan
I like how the Reds would have no regular spot for the guy who, just a couple days ago, led all the triple crown categories in the AL.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
cabrera's defense has been pretty damn good actually
I think Reds lead the league in fewest errors. And he’s helped turned many many beautiful DP’s.
But his range is god-awful.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
you gotta be kidding me
He’s got the range of a postage stamp.
Errors aren’t really a good measure of defense, but if you want to use them…Cabrera has 9 errors already, twice as many as anyone else on the team.
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announcers
what I find funny is that when he makes an error or an obvious miscue, the announcers will, without fail, say something like, “Boy, mark it down, because that is something you hardly ever see from Cabrera.”
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
It’s funny, because every time I’ve seen the Reds on TV this season, the announcers end up talking about wow, Cabrera’s skills have fallen off. (They aren’t the Cincinnati announcers, of course.) He’ll screw something up, and they’ll express surprise that he doesn’t have much range any more, or that his arm isn’t what it used to be. Then they’ll talk about his GG and how he used to be really good back in the day.
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Funny.
Because anybody who could read defensive stats (i.e. RR and RN bloggers) were saying the same thing last winter before Cabrera ever put on a uniform.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
still like him better than anyone else we've had @ SS since FeLo
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
he's a wash with gonzalez defensively, imo
by ken on Jul 10, 2010 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liked Gonzalez
I still think he’d have been decent if he could stay healthy. Unfortunately, he couldn’t.
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ah, that's my problem
I listen to the radio feed only; I’m not in the Cincinnati area. So I get Cabrera praise in between reminisces about Bill Haley & the Comets, Chubby Checker, and Frankie Avalon.
Don’t mean to sound bitter, just a tough loss.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
the Reds announcers fall over themselves to tell us how good Ocab is.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
BP has to cover half of Cabrera's ground.
If we didn’t have an outstanding 2nd baseman we’d be in big trouble. The Web Gem play from NY on Wednesday is a prime example. BP was 6 steps past short when he barehanded that ball.
Watch it, ass blood.
At what point does Cordero move to a different role?
His WHIP (1.549) is higher than that of anyone else on the roster except Nick Masset (1.688). All of the starters have a lower WHIP, plus these relievers:
Micah Owings
Jordan Smith
Logan Ondrusek
Arthur Rhodes
Bill Bray
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Dusty will always ride his veteran horse
come hell or high water. Our only hope is if he CoCo becomes unhealthy or Dusty gives Rhodes a shot.
Rhodes isnt a closer
how many times do 40 year old close (for the first time in their careers) for a pennant contending team?
so…….who would the masses put in the closer role, if not Coco?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I agree
and one thing I realize when I look at this is that there aren’t a whole lot of options in the bullpen. Owings is the long man, Rhodes is bound to break down at some point, Smith is completely unproven, and Bray may or may not work out. Oh, and Masset sucks.
I really wouldn’t mind seeing Ondrusek in more high leverage situations though.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
the bullpen is the one area i'd like to see a roster addition
say the rotation plays out as Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, Leake and Harang….
a bullpen of Cordero, Rhodes, Homer, Aroldis, Massett, Bray and Owings works for me down the home stretch.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
You'd rather drop Ondrusek than Masset?
I realize that they’d probably demote him before Masset, but that seems pretty dumb.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
putting Homer in the bullpen would be equally dumb
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We need bob and Walt to go out and buy a more comsistent closer.
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
I would put Homer Bailey in the closer role
and pray that he doesn’t have a meltdown early and cause everyone to second guess his makeup, etc.
Interesting...Hmmmm...what about that idea Slyde?
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
I'd keep Homer in the rotation
but if he went to the bullpen, I wouldn’t go straight to closer. I think he can handle that role, but preparation for relieving is different than starting and I’d be wary of sending him straight in the highest leverage situations before he’s acclimated to relieving.
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He hasn't been Cordero-level horrible
But he hasn’t been lights out either. I don’t think anyone seriously thought he could maintain the level of production he had until recently.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
i've completely blocked thursday's game out of my mind
didn’t he have a role in that loss?
i can’t seem to block last night’s game from my mind. it keeps screaming at me in my head.
Rosie is hitting .269 this season
still only one error in the field.
warrants mentioning.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
He's also only played 66 games.
Warrants mentioning.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Janish has only played 29 games
yet the masses here continue to kiss his ass ad nauseum.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Willy Taveras has played ZERO games for the Reds this year.
I win the argument!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but Laynce Nix has played 59 games this year
with an avg and obp that looks a lot like willy t’s last year. come to think of it laynces avg and obp LAST season looked a lot like Willys. haven’t heard much whining about the laynce daynce getting playing time this season.
why is that?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I can't think of a single time that anyone (other than maybe Mads) has been happy to see Nix in the starting lineup
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been happy to see him in the lineup at times
Gomes needs a day off every now and then, although I’d rather see Heisey play more than Gomes or Nix if Stubbs is gonna stay in CF
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The majority of Laynce's appearances have been as a PH.
And he plays a corner spot. Your seriously not this cluesless are you?
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And people call for playing time for Janish as something of a grim joke
Even you, obc, can agree that Dusty passes up several opportunities to get him playing time. The few times he does play, he does well enough to earn the little playing time he’s due. But Dusty doesn’t even give him that much. It’s pretty mystifying, to me anyway.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder
if Dusty keeps him on the bench as an ace in the hole just in case Rolen or OCab wind up tweaking a hammy late in the game.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Maybe
But he could also use him to give those guys a breather a bit more often.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
since he plays a corner spot
he should have a much, much, much better bat. duh.
i don’t want a 76 OPS+ corner outfielder on the roster.
i have said all along that roster construction is a concern.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
missing the point
nobody is railing for him to be traded either. the natives here bashed Willy T and Rosales pretty hard last season and it seems Laynce is getting the Janish “free pass” because…..well, why exactly?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I would say it's because
he’s getting about as much playing time as he deserves.
If he was being run out there every day while Heisey played once a month, I think you’d hear a lot more complaining.
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Wait, you think Janish is getting a "free pass"?
It seems hard to give him a “free pass” when (a) he’s almost never playing, and (b) he’s performing well when he does play.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
dude has a 63 OP+ in 441 career PA
he’s performing much better this season at the dish (small sample size warning) but that might be due to the fact Dusty is limiting his at bats.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
But again, start talking about him getting a "free pass"
when he’s performing poorly. Until then, there’s nothing that needs to be excused.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
he's performing well from the bench!
i support that message.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
He's batted once in 31 games this year! THIRTY-ONE!
He’s not good. He’s an insanely better value than Willy T. You’re just a troll man.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Look!
31!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
roster construction is a concern
but of our non-starters, who do you replace, and do you use kids from the farm or do you try to improve the roster from outside the organization?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
jeez
Is that why you hate Janish so much? Because he beat out Rosales?
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nah
Janish is an ok option as a backup SS.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Agreed
I’d prefer to see Cabrera as the starter. I just think Janish deserves more playing time than he’s getting.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
especially if cabrera is hurting and slumping
but i dont want to see Nix, Cairo, Corky and Janish in the lineup together.
i also think Rolen should not start tomorrow regardless how well he feels.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I agree
Unfortunately, the same is true of Slo-Cab.
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Janish has tangible defensive talent
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is this 'Rosie"
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
I'd rather have Rosales @ SS than Cabrera
yup, I said it
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It comes with the territory
He probably learned it from Joey. Who, as we all know, took a stint as a shapeshifter earlier this year in the form of Miguel Cairo. I’m still not convinced that he and Cairo are different people.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 10, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
WEEEEEELLLLL ... poop.
Looks like the Cards are shopping, folks. Including shopping for one DAN HAREN.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
that would be a bad, bad, bad, bad thing
Add Haren to their starters and it might be lights out. Pujols aint gonna hit .300 in the 2nd half, prob more like .350
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
that could be the end
I’m not just being cynical. Right now they have a week 4th and 5th starter, with Haren, that rotation will be very strong
We can give the DBacks a better package than the Cardinals can
I have to think that if we’re interested, we have a better shot at Haren than the Cards do. The DBacks don’t seem to mind players that strike out a ton (see: Reynolds, Mark; Upton, Justin; Young, Chris B.), so maybe Francisco will be attractive to them.
we might be able to give the Cardinals a better deal
but will we?
I’d love to know what we offered to the Mariners for Cliff Lee.
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It is the little things that bothered me in this game.
- Why did Dusty let Cabrera bat in the top of the 9th when he put in Janish in the bottom of the 9th.
- Why didn’t Corky or the pitching coach come out to talk to Coco on the 3-2 count before walking the guy before the homerun? With 2 outs and a 2 run lead, I could live with a strike right down the middle at 85 mph. Getting back to back homeruns is much harder then a walk and homerun. Just saying.
What I can live with is keeping Leake in for the complete game. It didn’t work. No excuse for batting Cabrera when the dude is clearly struggling and the walk that tied the game.
Dusty thinks that Cabrera is a much better hitter than Janish.
To him, Janish is purely a defensive replacement.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I like his think
if Dusty thinks Cabrera is a better hitter than Janish…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I understand normal circumstances
but cabrera clearly needs a break. He hasn’t been the same since torquing his knee on a pulled hit last week. I bet Cabrera would deny it but it is obvious.
agreed
anyone 33+ (who doesn’t use Balco products) needs a few off days a month to rest and recuperate. OCab is a vet and one who usually plays between 153 and 162 games a season…so he’s used to dealing with discomfort and pain.
still would be nice to see Rolen and OCab get more off days in the dog days of summer.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Cabrera's playing time
What I find really unfathomable about Dusty’s near-complete unwillingness to spot Cabrera with Janish, is the fact that Orlando himself was quoted a few weeks back as saying that he could use the rest, and he feels old, and all that.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that's what's really aggravating
I think Cabrera is probably not as willing to take a day off as that interview suggested. You look at his stats, and he’s had seasons where he played 162 games. He’s obviously a guy who doesn’t like to sit.
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Of course you do
but Cabrera hasn’t been hitting at all lately. June OPS: .535 July OPS: .527. Sure, that’s only 154 PAs, but that’s a big enough sample size to tell us that something is wrong. Given that Paul Janish is a lifetime .617 OPS hitter, there’s not evidence to suggest that Cabrera is significantly better at this point.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Less likely than seeing anyone but Cordero as closer.
Unless the Reds trade for a SS or Cabrera finally admits that he’s injured, he’ll continue to start every day.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Well for one thing he can actually hit MLB pitching.
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
he can?
his offense has been league average three times in 14 seasons. And he’s been just about Taveras-level bad so far this year. You are underestimating how bad Cabrera has been on offense.
Not really...SloCab hits better than Castro...that's all
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
sleight change of topic
I do like that Heisey quite a bit, he has earned a roster spot for the rest of the season.
Any word on how much longer Chris Dickerson is on the shelf for?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I'm convinced we'll never see Chris Dickerson in a Reds uniform again
I thought he was a better option than Stubbs in CF when healthy, but dude just can’t stay healthy.
At this point, I’d rather see Heisey in CF than Stubbs, and continue to see if Gomes is for real.
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
OT
if anyone wants a good read written by a baseball insider pick up Doug Glanville’s new book. EXCEPTIONAL!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I bought it
Haven’t got past the intro yet.
He says Bubba Crosby ended his career…by beating him out for the 25th spot during spring training.
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HUZZAH!!! We're looking at HAREN!!!
FoxSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi says that the Phillies, Dodgers, Reds, White Sox, Angels, and Yankees all had scouts in attendance for last night’s Dan Haren-Ricky Nolasco matchup, though it’s unclear how many (or if any) were there specifically to watch the righthanders.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
I'm certain we looking at Haren. If not, WHY THE FUCK NOT!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Haren would make me feel better
about everything and would ocnclude our pisking up of old Cards to win th division lol
by Red_Poodle on Jul 10, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
one reason the reds aren't looking at Haren
salary
a 2nd reason is that they brass doesn’t believe he’s THAT big an upgrade over who they currently have. i don’t find fault in that logic.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Salary?
Seriously? We axe Harang and Arroyo next year and we have more than enough for Haren. He’s not all that expensive.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
ECON 101….Harang and Arroyo don’t come off the books until next season. The reds are NOT looking to add payroll this season, especially considering attendance is less than impressive @ GABP this year. Adding Haren this season adds 4 mil to the payroll and a 2 year $25 mil commitment (with an added $4 mil buyout afterwards). And getting Haren costs the ballclub 2-4 prospects to boot…
make sense?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Yes. If you want to win now and next year and the next.
Also, who’s to say that the Diamondbacks don’t pay a part of the salary. Simply stating “ECON 101” doesn’t fly in pro sports.
Quit trolling.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For what? Being right?
You get Harron and this team becomes a playoff contender for this season and the two after that. And that won’t raise the patrons at the gate?
Quit trying to equate the “real world” with professioinal sports. Hell, even college sports for that matter. The world of entertainment doesn’t work the way the rest of society works. MLB and the Reds have survived 2 World Wars and countless recessions. Hell, Hollywood BOOMED during the depression. People want entertaiment. If you give them a good product they’ll show. Even in Miami.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of world war...
Today is the anniversary of the 1945 All Star game being canceled because of travel restrictions.
Just think of all the ballplayers who actually fought in the war, or at least were in the armed services. Could you imagine the pampered players today serving their country? I mean, everyone made a big deal about it when Pat Tillman did it, like it was something extraordinary instead of something any good citizen would do. Hardly any Americans serve their country any more.
I could see Adam Dunn as Staff Sergeant Dunn in the Army. He’d be something more than infantry, maybe SIGINT or something that requires carrying 100 pound radio towers on your back. I don’t know why he came to mind first.
did you read that Tillman book?
Where Men Win Glory by John Krakauer. The opinion part threatened the journalism part, but a pretty eye-opening glimpse into Afghanistan.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't read it
but I do have friends who have served several tours there, and I know many people who are doing development work there who might as well just strap on some M-4s and put on some BDUs. From their stories, I’m quite certain that place is Hell.
The Tillman death has strange and rather frightening circumstances.
The recent revelations about the untapped mineral supply in Afghanistan coupled with the knowledge about minerals in electronics leaves me wondering if this is why we’re still there. We’re not going to wipe out the Taliban or the warlords, and we’re not going to get rid of the poppy fields. Why can’t we just help the farmers grow their poppies for morphine purposes? Much of Africa is in dire need of such medicines, but we are intent on wiping out the poppy fields? No, I don’t think so. I think there’s something more.
There’s some nasty stuff going on there, and it ain’t just the Taliban doing it.
At least Ted Williams knew what he was fighting for.
Definitely give it a look
Afghanistan is hell, but how did it get to be that way? That’s the glimpse I got – into what has happened there in the last 30 years to transform a disconnected series of provincial mountain valleys into a superpower-devouring hellscape. It wasn’t the main subject of the book, but I latched on and have been reading more about it.
Also, the portrait it paints of Tillman is fascinating. He certainly did not match the image that the Bush administration and the Army painted of him.
by DevilsAdvocate on Jul 10, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You might want to check out Charlie's Wilson War
That gives you some more insight on what was going on over there.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think one of the reasons we originally went in
Was because back then, there was a believe that monster oil fields were waiting to be found in the Caspian. A new Saudi Arabia, or better. And a way would be needed to get all that oil to market.
Turns out, there wasn’t as much oil as hoped for, and extracting what oil there is nightmarishly difficult and expensive.
I don’t think the minerals are the reason. The same thing happened with Vietnam. After the war had dragged on for awhile, there was the announcement of rich natural resources in Vietnam. (I think it was oil instead of minerals, though.) It was offered up as evidence that Vietnam could one day be a stable country, with wealth of its resources.
And I think there’s a similar motivation behind the Afghanistan minerals story. The war in Afghanistan been going on longer than Vietnam, and people are becoming similarly tired of it.
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then why aren't more fans going to GABP?
there’s finally a winning product on the field, so by default, they should come, right?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen attendance numbers in a while.
Are we sure fans still aren’t coming? Last I checked, which was a few weeks ago, attendance was on the upswing.
by the finest muffins on Jul 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
are you privy to the Reds front office?
I think Bobby C might look at adding a player of Haren’s caliber as an investment, that would pay off in increased ticket sales this year, playoff tickets sales, and increased season ticket sales in the off season.
Lots of moving parts.
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by justin007000 on Jul 10, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you care about the 2-4 prospects?
they’re kinda moot, if you’re clinging to the salary argument, no?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If the brass doesn't think Haren is "that big an upgrade" over Lecure/Maloney/Wood/Bailey
or whoever the 5th starter is, then they are either crazy, or they are lying to cover up cheapness.
by kcgard2 on Jul 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why I don't believe OBC for a minute.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
even though someone recently showed me the Reds are increasing their payroll
they still come off as cheap to me. Right now they’re around $75-76 MM, but I don’t see them jumping over $80 MM next season, and that’s what they’d need to do if they add Haren.
I still think the Reds are unfortunately crying poor, but it would really change my feelings and thoughts about this team if we were legitimately buyers for a big piece between now and July 31.
Haren would easily be arguably our best SP. Regardless, he takes care of our rotating 5th SP issue, and one of them can help strengthen our bullpen.
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
easily he arguably would
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If we get Haren, how do you rank our SP depth chart?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I’m just making fun of your wording.
Just kidding, I do know. He’d be our ace. He’d make Arroyo AND Harang expendable next year, which is good because they probably can’t afford either of them anyway.
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I like adverbs
they’re adverbs, right?
I’d go:
Haren
Cueto
Leake
Volquez
Chapman (assuming he’s in the 2011 rotation)
I wonder if they’d get rid of Arroyo and or Harang in favor of (wait for it….) payflex for 2011, if they got Haren?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 12, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is OT too
but with the way things have been going for the Reds, I’m going to guess that Omar Infante is the MVP of the All-Star game.
yeah I didn't want to say that
because it is too terrible. Hopefully, the AL will win and prevent that from happening lol
I still want the NL to win
I hate the stupid AL.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb here
and give my opinion of what the Reds should do.
To me the Atlanta game was shocking – How could the Reds blow a 6 run lead in the Ninth? It speaks volumes to me that last night’s debacle was not as gut wrenching as the Atlanta loss. In other words I felt like it could happen. I don’t think anyone on this blog has had confidence in CoCo this year or the bulpen in general (or the way Dusty handles the bullpen). The biggest priority should be to shore up the bullpen. I think in the short term Lando is serviceable at SS but should be spelled with Janish more frequently than he has.
Yep.Right on my brother.
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
bout time for some burgers, no?
the newlyweds probably will be out for the foreseeable future but we can rally the troops. next stop, i think, shall be Pelican’s Reef. thoughts?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
The newlyweds will attend...I'll see to it
Though some might argue that "best utility player" is a contradiction in terms.
BuubaFan...
I think we see last night's loss as two things:
First of all, I’m looking at it as pretty much a fluke. Leake was absolutely mowing down the Phillies, and just ran out of gas. Dusty thought he could finish it, but now maybe he’ll be more careful when Leake is pitching deep into games in the future. Also, Howard’s homer was a Citizen’s Bank special…it’s gone at GABP too, I would think, but in probably half the ballparks, that’s a warning track flyball out. Rhodes has been lights out this year, and should bounce back very well.
Secondly, we can point very specifically to two or three people who performed abysmally yesterday, “causing” the loss—Cabrera, Cordero, and Rhodes. The Atlanta game was such a shell shock because our entire bullpen failed in the ninth and because we just couldn’t get anything done offensively after the fourth inning—it felt like more of a general failure. What happened yesterday can be blamed on a couple players that we already knew were weak links (Cabrera and Cordero), and so it doesn’t feel as terrible.
i still think leake COULD have finished it
even after giving up the homer. Caca is to blame for everything.
I know
and now we’ve lost two easy wins. Maybe we’ll get it back somewhere down the line, this is a comeback team
I forced myself to watch the comeback on the Philies site
they showed Votto, at the end of the clip walking back to the dugout. Is that some kind of message about Howard’s all-star selection or is he just the most visible player on the team right now? I am just angry about Phiadlephia right now so I will read way too much into everything they do.
Btw, Atlanta is probably going to win the Phillies’ division and undoubtedly defeat them after being behind by 15 in the bottom of 9 at some point in this season.
Lineup
Phillips 4
Cabrera 6
Votto 3
Rolen 5
Gomes 7
Bruce 9
Stubbs 8
Hanigan 2
Wood LHP
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
It's nice to see Hanigan back.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed it is
Here’s hoping Wood pitches well and we find a way to get a 4+ run lead by the 9th so we don’t see CaCa again.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 10, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out my post below ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know if its been mentioned
But Hit Tracker says Ransom’s HR to tie it and Howard’s walk-off were only gone in 1 ballpark. Jesus.
8 just enough homers!
But he’s an All-Star.
Get fucked Philly.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Germany/Uruguay game is really, really good
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
I really thought Uruguay would win it
Precious little time to pull it out.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for Germany!
And good God I’ll be pissed if Spain wins tomorrow.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was half rooting for Klose to get the World Cup scoring record
Forlan is my player of the tournament.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no issue with either of those.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Forlan's been a joy to watch
insane body control, and I like how he uses his head to control the ball and get by defenders
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of times, at least one of the teams doesn't care
The goal scoring is always way higher in the third place games.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate Joe Buck and Fox. Assholes are pseudo-sticking up for the Yankees on the
the Lee deal.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't understand that either
The Yankees made their offer, but unfortunately they incorrectly assumed the deal was done (as evidence by all the “breaking news” reports of the deal supposedly done). The Mariners then went back to the Rangers and said “Yankees are offering Montero, wanna give up Smoak?”
Rangers said yes this time, so they got Lee.
I thought all trade negotiations happened like this when multiple teams were involved?
by Highlifeman21 on Jul 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well fuck ...
JimDayTV Rolen was never in the lineup, the wrong lineup was posted #reds
johnfayman #Reds lineup: Phillips 4, Cabrera 4, Votto 3, Gomes 7, Bruce 9, Cairo 5, Stubbs 8, Hanigan 2, Wood LHP. Rolen was never in.Bad lineup posted
Rolen might be worse off than we thought.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
That's great...
just fucking great. I have a feeling I should pick up some beer for tonight. Now taking suggestions.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
Wet and cold.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure, the NL's No. 2 3B
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean if he's really hurt, at least this is the good time to be hurt for the reds
i hope he isn’t really hurt and he plays in the ASG.
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