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Bullpen Help via Trade Route


I think a lot of us can agree one of the more disappointing area of our beloved Reds this year has been a bullpen.  Last year, the group of Cordero, Massett, Herrera, Rhodes, and <sigh> Weathers performed very well, and if the Reds had the lead in the 6th, you felt fairly confident the bullpen could close it out.

 

However, this year outside of Arthur Rhodes, the same group has been wildly inconsistent, and more times than not just flat out bad.  With Burton and Bray not looking like they will be able to help anytime soon, and the best relief arms in Louisville all ready up in Del Rosario and Ondrusek, you are left with converting starters (i.e. Bailey, Chapman, Wood, Harang) or the trade route.  It's somewhat baffling how the same core of guys last year have all performed badly this year.  They were pretty over worked in April, and that may have a little to do with what we've seen the last few weeks.  You know things are bad when the team's beat writers are calling former players who are home pitching batting practice to their 10-year old to see if they would come back.

 

The Reds chose the trade route in 2006, and it was disastrous.   Mainly because the relievers they brought in (Majewski and Bray) were not clear upgrades over what they had (One was injured), and in getting them they gave up their starting shortstop and right fielder, hurting their lineup.  The Reds offense has over performed most of the year, and being thin on position players at AAA, they can't really afford to give up much of their 25-Man roster. 

 

What also complicates things for the Reds are the payroll constraints.  Walt has done a fabulous job being creative and finding ways to make everything work in a tight budget.  In my opinion, he played the market perfectly in the off season on guys like Gomes and Cabrera.  His patience there might have left enough to add an arm towards the end of June.  Here are 3 guys that could be upgrades, don't make much money, and can likely be had on the cheap:

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1.  J.J. Putz, RHP Chicago White Sox (1-2, 2.75 ERA in 19.2 IP  -  27 K, 4 BB)

He's playing on a 1-year 3-Million dollar contract this year, and has had a nice bounce-back year after injuries last season.   This would probably take an arm to get done.  Matt Maloney?  Seems like the White Sox are entering sell mode real soon.

 

2.  Craig Breslow,  LHP  Oakland Athletics  (1-1, 2.84 ERA in 25.1 IP   -   26 K, 13 BB)

Breslow has been with SD, MIN, and now Oakland.  He's only got a little over 2 years service time so he is still cheap, and controlled for a few years.  I doubt he is a guy Oakland is really wanting to move, so he could cost a little more than he is probably worth.

 

3.  D.J. Carrasco, RHP Pittsburgh Pirates  (1-1,  3.69 ERA in 31.2 IP  -  25 K. 14 BB)

He's cheap, only making 950K this year, and if the Pirates continue their free fall to the basement, they will do their usual and make almost anyone available.  One would think a low-mid level prospect could net Carrasco in late June or early July.

 

I'm sure as we get closer to July, several more names will pop up, but these are 3 guys I think can be made available real soon.

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Papelbon

I definitely want Papelbon.

"Every day we expect to win and here lately we've been doing that."-Homer Bailey

by justin007000 on Jun 8, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't

He’s a 1 pitch guy, and that 1 pitch happens to be very hittable

by Highlifeman21 on Jun 10, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

does that mean I can put Slyde down as a yes for Papelbon?

"Every day we expect to win and here lately we've been doing that."-Homer Bailey

by justin007000 on Jun 11, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading all spring

… and they seemed rather adamant about it, the Pirates weren’t going to unload this year. I should think they could disguise that lie if they wanted but I am also not of the belief that just because somebody is pitching for somebody else, that the Reds ought to get him.

The grass isn’t greener in Pittsburgh.

I take nothing the White Sox have to offer.

If Oakland wants too much, then beware of Trojan horses.

This is completely unsustainable, but man, is it fun while it lasts. -- BubbaFan

by johnu1 on Jun 8, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If the Reds offer the Pirates the right prospect

the Pirates would be silly to hold on to a mild reliever who won’t do much to build the team for the future.

"Every day we expect to win and here lately we've been doing that."-Homer Bailey

by justin007000 on Jun 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's an acceptable prospect?

 if the guy can’t help the Pirates, why do we think we want him?

This is completely unsustainable, but man, is it fun while it lasts. -- BubbaFan

by johnu1 on Jun 8, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the same reason Dave Weathers was expendable for the last two years

a middle reliever is of little help to a bad team.

"Every day we expect to win and here lately we've been doing that."-Homer Bailey

by justin007000 on Jun 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need to be careful who we're calling "bad."

This is completely unsustainable, but man, is it fun while it lasts. -- BubbaFan

by johnu1 on Jun 8, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You take nothing the White Sox have to offer?

Putz would be a great addition to our pen. Even Jenks would be nice. They’ll never give up Thornton, but what if they were willing to move Sergio Santos (which I doubt). Scott Linebrink has a bad ERA, but has pitched far better than Masset and Ondrusek. Tony Pena would be an improvement too. Arthur Rhodes is the only reliever in our pen with a WHIP as good as ANY of those guys (not Jenks). The White Sox bullpen is the only good thing about the team, I would take any of them they’re willing to move.

by kcgard2 on Jun 9, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

alas, you are missing my point

The Sox have a bullpen and that’s about all. Anybody they are willing to unload is not a guy I want. They are not going to give up anybody of value. Putz or Jenks? The Sox will trade them, yeah, maybe for BP or Stubbs.

And no … Linebrink would be your first complaint the minute he hits the hill. He can’t get anybody out.

If you want to pick the Pirates’ skeletons of all their alleged talent, try to remember that their stated position in the winter and spring was to NOT dismantle this year. The front office said that, the owner said that and the field manager said that.

Are they lying? Hell, their team is making minimum now. How can they go cheaper? Why would they unload to help other teams just because we want it?

Taking this arrogant point of view astonishes me for a franchise like the Reds have had, where finding cheaper and hoping for better is a way of life. I can find a dozen really good ballplayers I would take in exchange for Miggy Cairo. I’d even throw in Lincoln, Corky and maybe even a couple of minor leaguers.

Ah, the beauty of the dream trade. Somethin’ for nothin.’

This is completely unsustainable, but man, is it fun while it lasts. -- BubbaFan

by johnu1 on Jun 9, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think you're overestimating what the White Sox would want for Putz

It seems unlikely that they’d part with Jenks, or if they did, they’d want a lot in return. I think Putz could be had much more cheaply. Certainly not Phillips or Stubbs like you say.

Though trading Phillips isn’t a bad idea. Just not for a reliever.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

the whole point

is if the White Sox are out of it, and they can save 1-2 million in salary on a guy who will be a free agent after this year (Putz) you would be stupid in this baseball economy to not listen, and save some money for next year.

Exact same for Carrasco and the Pirates, though he is making less than Putz. They wont be able to get him to sign a 1-Year 950K deal next year.

It’s what sub .500 teams do year after year. The Reds did it with Hairston and Weathers last year. Year before it was Dunn and Griffey. The guy the Reds got for Hairston will never see above AA. We pretty much just gave the Brewers Weathers so they could pay the rest of his salary.

If we can get Putz for Matt Maloney who is easily 10th or 11th on out depth chart of starters, and will be out of options next year, Im doing that deal all day.

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by MixFMKyle on Jun 9, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds haven't proven to not be a sub-500 team

We are not contenders yet, just leading the division in early June.

The point is, we are suddenly making the assumption that the Reds are willing to negotiate for players because these teams are looking to dump salary.

Since when did the Reds have all this cash to blow?

Yeah, make me a deal … Putz for Maloney … it’s fairly easy. I may even do Heisey for Jenks, with a throw-in draft choice. Point is, this talent won’t come free.

The W.Sox ARE out of it. They’re toast. And yes, they will dump players but the payroll isn’t on their problems list. They have the dough. I believe they are a team that deals more in personalities than in salaries.

This is completely unsustainable, but man, is it fun while it lasts. -- BubbaFan

by johnu1 on Jun 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We unloaded Loshe for Maloney

We unloaded Williamson for Dumatrait. We got Belise for Mercker. Nothing for a useful Gabe White same for a useful Felix Herida.

If you are the White Sox what is the use to holding on to Putz who won’t help them win, because they don’t have the offense or starting pitching to give him a lead.

If you are the GM of a team that is out of contention would you want to hold onto a middle reliever when you can get a mid level prospect that may help you out, and save a million dollars in the prospect?

A million dollars isn’t a lot of “cash to blow” in baseball terms.

So you are saying you wouldn’t fix the Reds problem? A win now means as much as a win in August or September.

"Every day we expect to win and here lately we've been doing that."-Homer Bailey

by justin007000 on Jun 9, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't see these trades as upgrades for the franchise.

Putz isn’t evil. He isn’t a bad pitcher.

If you can get him for Miggy Cairo, fine.

This is completely unsustainable, but man, is it fun while it lasts. -- BubbaFan

by johnu1 on Jun 10, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It helps both teams

it saves the White Sox money and gives them one more young player (perhaps Matt Maloney), and it gives the Reds a much needed bullpen arm.

"Every day we expect to win and here lately we've been doing that."-Homer Bailey

by justin007000 on Jun 10, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

We could have a 3 or 4 game lead in the division

if the bullpen wasn’t blowing lead after lead. It’s happened to Cueto 5 times already? I know Leake at least twice. The addition of just 1 or 2 effective relievers can really help.

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by MixFMKyle on Jun 9, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Renyel Pinto, anyone?

DFA by Florida. Walk a few too many, but is 27 and a lefty with decent stuff. I’ll bet someone snaps him up.

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