46 games in, is there more reason for optimism about this year's Reds?
*First, a disclaimer: The site has a ton of original content today, and I'd love to have bumped this, but given the time-sensitive nature of it I'm going ahead and posting it. Sorry JinAZ and RSC!
I've been seeing a lot of chatter (both here and elsewhere) about people not believing in this team just yet, and how fans want to see them winning in July or August before they will buy in to this club being a contender. Given the Reds recent history of starting strong and fading in the summer, it is a reasonable position to take. Just last year, the Reds were flying high after 46 games, with a record of 26-20, good for 1.5 games out of first. It was at this time that Jay Bruce made the famous quote about coming back from the upcoming road trip "in first place." Obviously it didn't work out that way, as they went 2-5 on the road trip as part of losing 11 of their next 16. And despite what some wanted to believe, they were never in contention after that.
After 46 games this year, the team looks remarkably similar to last year's group on the surface:
Batting |
2009 |
2010 |
| Batting Average | .258 | .266 |
| On Base Percentage | .332 | .338 |
| Slugging | .415 | .439 |
| Runs Scored | 213 | 225 |
Pitching |
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| E.R.A. | 3.97 | 4.61 |
| Strikeouts | 314 | 332 |
| Walks | 181 | 147 |
| Home runs | 47 | 50 |
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Runs Allowed |
199 | 219 |
| Actual Record | 26-20 | 26-20 |
| Pythagorean Record | 24-22 | 24-22 |
Obviously the offense has been a bit better this year and the pitching a bit worse. Otherwise, the teams don't look terribly different. One thing to note is that, despite the higher ERA and runs allowed, this year's pitching staff has more strikeouts and fewer walks than last year's group. That bodes well for the future, and can probably be explained by the slightly higher home run rate, as well as worse defense. (For all their offensive ineptitude, last year's team could really pick it)
So, we stand almost identical to where we were last season. Is there any more reason for hope this year, or should we prepare ourselves for another long summer? Let's see if we can get any clues from individual players.
Batters
Instead of going into the gory details about what went wrong last year, let me summarize: Poor play and, to a lesser extent, injuries. Willy Taveras' OPS dropped 100 points from game 46 to the end of the season. Both catchers regressed substantially. Jerry Hairston was at .801 but dropped like a rock. Jay Bruce was OPSing .851 after 46 games, but was .700 the rest of the way. Brandon Phillips was OPSing .827 at this point but only put up .758 during the remainder. No major player significantly improved on their numbers from game 46 'til the end. (Of course, the additions of Gomes and Rolen helped significantly)
Then there were the injuries, the most significant of which was Joey Votto. It was in game 47 that Votto left early with "dizziness", and wouldn't return until almost a month later. When he did return his numbers actually dropped significantly as well. His OPS was 1.099 after 46 games, and he ended the year at .981. (Remember how Votto completely carried the team for the first month?) All in all, the team was averaging 4.6 runs/game after 46, but only averaged 4.0 the rest of the year.
The point of all of this is that injuries happen, and can't really be predicted, but we probably could've seen most of the performance drops coming. As good as Votto is, he wasn't going to OPS that high all year. Neither was Phillips. So what does that mean for this year? Who can be expected to improve? Regress? Maintain?
Here are this year's main players' current wOBA (a better indication of performance than OPS) as well as what ZiPS projects them to put up for the rest of the season (ROS).
Player |
Current wOBA |
R.O.S. wOBA |
| Ryan Hanigan | .399 | .353 |
| Ramon Hernandez | .340 | .322 |
| Joey Votto | .416 | .391 |
| Brandon Phillips | .342 | .342 |
| Scott Rolen | .372 | .355 |
| Orlando Cabrera | .315 | .329 |
| Laynce Nix | .366 | .335 |
| Johnny Gomes | .353 | .352 |
| Drew Stubbs | .312 | .300 |
| Jay Bruce | .360 | .343 |
So according to projections the catching tandem should get significantly worse, as should Nix. It's reasonable to assume the catchers will regress a bit, and that's alright. They've played out of their minds so far. Nix is most definitely going to drop, but hopefully he has few enough PAs that the impact on the team is minimal. I can also see the Rolen drop. He's currently slugging higher than he has since 2004 (pre shoulder surgery) and is on pace to hit his most homers since that year too. I think the average and OBP hold up, but not the power.
Stubbs is a bit puzzling to me. Obviously he has struggled this year, but ZiPS thinks he'll actually get worse, mainly based on less walking and less power. I'm not sold that he'll ever be even an average hitter, but to assume he'll continue to strike out a ton, walk less, not raise his low BABIP (.276 currently) and stop hitting homers seems needlessly pessimistic. My guess is he hovers in the .310-.325 range all year. (Of course, Heisey could take his job at some point too).
ZiPS also has Joey Votto coming down a bit, mainly based on BABIP, but they also think he'll walk less and hit for less power. I have to disagree there. His BABIP is actually lower than it was last year, he's walking more, and he put up a .418 wOBA last year, so .416 is not unrealistic. As far as power, it's not unprecedented for a 26 year old top tier hitter to experience a bit of a power surge. Also, I'd like to think Joey is the kind of player that consistently outperforms BABIP expectations.
Brandon Phillips and Johnny Gomes project to be almost exactly the same the rest of the year. I'd take that for both of them, but watching BP in the 2 spot gives me hope he can improve on his current numbers.
Next, there's Orlando Cabrera. I'm baffled by his projections, which have him walking more, striking out less, improving his BABIP, and hitting for more power. All from a 35 year old. Color me cynical. Still, I feel pretty confident he can maintain his current level of mediocrity.
Finally, I don't agree with the Jay Bruce projection. ZiPS thinks he's going to stop walking so much and his BABIP will go down, while only gaining a bit of power. As Slyde will point out tomorrow, Bruce is doing a tremendous job laying off of pitches outside of the zone, and the wrist injury is still likely zapping some of his power. I truly think Bruce can maintain his current wOBA, and if the power really returns, he could end up at superstar level. This, to me, is the great question and variable surrounding the rest of the season. (just like it was before the season!)
So basically, I can see 2 positions getting worse (C, 3B) and 6 either sustaining or getting slightly better (the rest). How about the pitching?
Pitching
Here is where injuries played more of a factor in 2009. Edinson Volquez had made 8 of his 9 starts last year by this point, and had been reasonably effective. For the most part, his replacements (Justin Lehr, Kip Wells, Homer Bailey, etc) were quite the opposite. Aaron Harang and Johnny Cueto had both been pretty good to excellent through 46 team games, but both were much worse for the rest of the year. Same with Micah Owings. The only pitcher that got demonstrably better after 46 games was Bronson Arroyo. The bullpen was a mixed bag, but more guys got worse (Weathers) than got better (Burton).
What are the prospects for this year's group? Here are the current FIP (fielding independent pitching) numbers for the current staff, as well as their projection for the rest of the season.
| Player | Current FIP | Proj. FIP (ROS) |
| Aaron Harang | 4.73 | 4.19 |
| Johnny Cueto | 3.93 | 4.09 |
| Bronson Arroyo | 4.83 | 4.63 |
| Homer Bailey | 4.71 | 4.44 |
| Mike Leake | 3.68 | N/A |
| Francisco Cordero | 4.46 | 3.51 |
| Arthur Rhodes | 2.44 | 3.49 |
| Nick Masset | 4.25 | 3.86 |
| Mike Lincoln | 4.54 | 4.79 |
| Micah Owings | 3.73 | 4.87 |
| Daniel Ray Herrera | 3.11 | 4.01 |
The pitching has a lot more volatility, and for me, a lot more reason to temper expectations. For one, Mike Leake doesn't even have a projection because he doesn't have minors numbers to use, and no projection systems expected him to make the rotation. It's pretty reasonable to assume his ERA and FIP aren't going to stay this low all season, though. The starter expected to make the most improvement is Aaron Harang. As much as I'd like to believe that, I'm going to wait and see. I love the guy, but he's looked so darn hittable....
Bronson Arroyo is going to do his thing, as should Cueto, unless he gets hurt or tired. And here's where the volatility comes in. You have to expect some missed starts from some guys, and if/when that happens, who will replace them? We still don't know who will make Homer Bailey's start on Friday, but whomever it is, can he be effective for 2 MLB starts? How about 6 or 7? When Bailey comes back, will he improve on his current numbers? (I think so. And I also think one reason to be positive about the pitching this year is that there are no Kip Wells or Justin Lehrs first in line to take starts. Instead we have Matt Maloney, Travis Wood, and that Aroldis Chapman guy)
In the bullpen, it's scary to say that most guys (except Cordero and Masset) are expected to be worse for the remainder of the year. I think that's probably pretty realistic. Again, though, so many players cycle through a bullpen during the course of a season it's difficult to say what kind of impact that will have on the team. I do think substantial improvement in luck and performance from CoCo and Masset will go a long way.
Essentially what I see with the pitching is that guys need to stay healthy. If they do, and if these projections hold, the pitching should be ok. Then again there is the possibility of a trade, in which case the AAA pitching depth will really help.
Fielding
Finally, a quick word about fielding. It's tough to compare fielding with such small sample sizes so far, but both my eye and the numbers tell me the defense hasn't been as good this year. Last year's team Defensive Efficiency Rating (DER) was .705, good for 4th best in baseball. This year it is only .690, good for middle of the pack. I don't think the disparity is really quite that big, and a larger sample size will even things out, but a better defensive performance will go a long way towards helping the pitching play up.
Conclusions
I'm not sure what I expected to find when I started this. I was hoping to see that the offense will continue to click while the pitching will improve. I'm not sure that's going to be the case now. If I had to pick the 2 most crucial factors (other than staying healthy) I'd choose Jay Bruce and team defense. If Bruce can maintain or even improve his numbers, and the team can play better defense to support the pitchers, this team could go places. Then, if the team is still in it in July, you've gotta think Walt will make some moves to improve the team. What do you think? Do you feel more or less optimistic after seeing this? What do you feel is the crucial factor for contending the rest of the year?
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Well done, NYC
this is really a fine essay. I agree Jay and his returning homers are the difference the rest of the way (as well as an improvement from Masset). I have more faith in Harang than you do and much less faith in Homer Bailey.
The most important variable to picking up a reliever and/or a bat in July (as always, second to health) is fan reaction. If Big Bob is making money, he will Walt to make a move, I think. If the fans remain apathetic, then Bob and Walt stand pat and mutter bs about contending after Aaron and Bronson’s contracts are kaput.
Bailey
The reason I’m bullish on Bailey is that he always a slow starter, but those starts have always been in AA or AAA. His velocity gets better as the year goes on too.
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by nycredsfan on May 26, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Added pitching
Hopefully we won’t need to deal for any pitching. Chappy can get added to the pen or rotation, Volquez added to the rotation, and maybe Wood is helping us as well. We will need to watch Leake but I think he could be a decent long man while we give him some rest. I really do like the idea of adding Chappy to the ’pen towards the end of the year.
Now if we plan on trying to get frugal while being in a race and deal Harang/Arroyo then its a different story on what we need to add.
Bullpen thoughts…
Perhaps it’s a bit of sensationalism on my part, but I’m really not confident in Cordero’s ability to perform to his ROS projection. Masset, perhaps. So the only way I see the bullpen performing noticeably better for any role would involve the injection of Volquez or potentially Chapman later in the season. I know the organization has seemingly been chanting ‘SP, SP, SP’ since spring training for Chapman, but if we remain in contention later in the season and the bullpen is a problem area, you can’t tell me that won’t be reaaaaally tempting. (Not to mention potentially hysterical if he follows DRH at some point) For Volquez, I guess I’m thinking he won’t be put back into the rotation unless Harang continues to struggle a lot, but even if he does, that puts a better arm in the bullpen and kicks out Fisher/Lincoln. Of course, they might shut Leake down early and send him to the pen for Volquez anyway.
Good stuff.
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." --Fay
I don't think Chappy in the 'pen hurts his chances at starting in the future.
So I hope, like you, they treat him like the Twins treated Liriano or Santana early in their careers or the way the Rays dealt with Price.
bits and pieces, here and there
I always contend, statistics aside, that if the team plays just “a little bit better,” they can turn a 2-4 road trip into a 3-3 road trip. That’s two more wins a month. Do the math if you are a .500 club, assuming 26 games a month as an average.
This also doesn’t mean you can tank an entire homestand, but you get the point.
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
Oliver has a rest of season projection on Leake
I think Brian uses college stats and puts them through a large number of MLE’s to get this. To me, it’s a bit optimistic, but here it is:
Rest of Season: 91 IP, 3.69 ERA, 63/25 K/BB, 8 HR, 6.2 K/9, 2.5 BB/9, 0.8 HR/9
That would get his season totals to 144 IP and a 3.32 ERA.
I’d gladly take that. Obviously, he’d need to be shut down at some point to keep his IP this low…but that’s not necessarily unwise.
-j
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shutdown
Who else is buying into the shutdown on Leake?
Are we being led around by Verducci? I hope not.
All evidence supports the shutdown but it’s also, IMHO, a matter of forcing data to be accurate so that we can insist on it becoming a fact.
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
I agree
Correlation is not causation and there are many other factors that determine young pitchers’ injuries or ineffectiveness. If the team is that worried about it then let Owings spot start for Leake 1 or 2 times a month in case we need Leake during the stretch.
by Grahamophone on May 26, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Or if Owings pitches well
we could use HIM down the stretch!
(he chuckled)
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
There isn't even a correlation if you look at careful studies.
But I would like to be cautious with him.
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I feel like we will have Leake down the stretch
How the Reds will do this, I am not yet sure. But Eddy coming back gives us flexibility to do something.
also a note on the defensive stats
this is kinda like the “clutch” hitting we continue to discuss.
An error is an error is an error, but not all of them are equal.
They all tend to turn over the lineup but that’s not the end of the world sometimes.
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
Something nobody talks about
Last year, we were doing really well at the beginning. I think the biggest reason we started going in the tank last year was when Votto got anxiety and vertigo and missed like a month, and a little before and after that he wasn’t quite himself. that was the start of the fall. Then volquez gets hurt, harang gets hurt, and bruce breaks his wrist. Once everybody came back together at the end of the season (minus volquez), we kicked ass again.
It was sort of hard watching everything unravel
Dusty, to be real fair, lost any sense of continuity in his batting order with that mess, and you didn’t even say anything about the disaster at shortstop or the mind-meld in CF. We also had to use Clutch Man Monie at first base.
You mention Votto’s problems and I try to link it back to my own comment on the defense.
It seems JV’s defense has gotten better, much better. That tends to make a bigger difference to the infield than we sometimes realize. A first baseman can turn a lot of infielders into GG candidates.
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
COMPLETELY off topic!
I just clicked back on this thread and the ad that was being posted was to “create my own little Zwinkie” … some kind of doll that I presume is connected to girls aged 12 and under.
While it was amusing, it seems the people who market this crap ought to maybe pay attention to who;s looking at it. Unless I am totally wrong about RR posters … or am I?
Fess up, boys. The Internet follows your buying habits around.
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
optimism is a funny thing
The Reds are playing well. They are in almost every game they play. The pitching “seems” better but by checking the numbers you can see it isn’t. But there is just something different this season. Instead of sitting around for the dreaded eighth to happen this team keeps playing.
Check back in another 46 games. And if they are still at, or right around, the top of the standings you will see a lot of glass half full people around here.
Hope Springs Eternal
"I don't challenge Murphy, even if he's 0 for 20. Not him, not ever." - Mario Soto
In 46 games, these guys won't be glass half full
they’ll be 99 empty bottles of beer on the floor. Win or lose, they’ll drink.
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by Slyde on May 26, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point
but if the winning keeps up they will at least be happy drunks
"I don't challenge Murphy, even if he's 0 for 20. Not him, not ever." - Mario Soto
Pennant race?
Hell, it’s Wednesday.

If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
i hardly ever know what your pictures are in reference to
but they make me laugh
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this was related to the post right above it about being drunk
Not sure why that needed an explanation.
But thanks for understanding.
If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
I think the pitching has been bipolar
By which I mean they were generally terrible for about the first 3 weeks, then they suddenly started mowing down hitters. While the overall numbers are still not particularly good, I think that’s misleading.
Original Content today
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If the Cards were a Fortune 500 company, they'd be on their way to hostile takeover. -- RedHot Mama
Good stuff
In my mind, the key question is not “how will these guys perform over the rest of the season?” – it’s “how will they perform up to the trade deadline?” Are we going to be buyers or sellers in July? If the players decide to crap all over themselves in the month of June, it won’t really matter whether or not they pick it up in September. But if they can perform as they have (or a little better?) for the next month or two, then we add a bat, well, things may get interesting. . .
It's summertime - go Reds!
I agree with this to a point
June is definitely a key month to decide whether we buy or sell. But even if we’re in it in July and pick up a player or two, the rest still have to continue to perform. If we, say, replace Cabrera and get a reliever, but Gomes and Rolen crap out and a starter gets injured, it won’t really matter who we pick up.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
46 Games In
They started off terribly and now are playing like most of us thought they would. I look for Stubbs, Bruce and younger players to do better as experience is the best teacher. We got what I expected in Rolen and Cabrera, two classy veterans who when healthy can do their jobs quite well. Plus, they have some post season experience and can mentor the young guys. Still dont know why we have Cairo as he was done well before this season. I think we do need help in the bullpen and should do what we can to strengthen it. The pen has blown several good games the starters have put in lately. Jenks and Putz are available from Chicago, and I would love to see the Reds trade Harang and go after ?Oswalt but that’s probably me dreaming. Gomes and Nix may not hit .285 all year but between them should have better than 20 hrs and they are not killing the payroll This team if it stays healthy enough and plays like it has the past few weeks is a solid #2 team and possible #1 team in the division as it seems the other teams all have their problems to solve as well. The Cards have fallen back to earth lately havent they?

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