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Off Day Special Report: A Perfect Storm in a Tea-pot

It's time for the Reds to stop playing baseball in a gray void.

Since the very dawn of baseball history, the "It's only one game" camp has been in constant conflict with the "Araon Harang is terribel, Openign Day is runed, enjoy your 3-159 season dingus!!!1" folks. Judging by my straw man dumbening of the latter, it's probably clear which way I lean. As we all know, statistical anomalies happen in small samples - while the Opening Day microscope causes errors, oh-fers and mistake pitches to be magnified 6X and then optically zoomed in unflattering lighting conditions.

Still, I'm pretty cranky about following a team in danger of completing a decade of losing seasons. It remains to be seen whether yesterday's result will represent the season in miniature or a stutter step prior to the Big Leap Forward. Many encouraging box score events were lost in the noise of an 11 - 6 defeat, though yesterday's game also carried with it a sense of inevitability. I haven't yet tapped into my ESP, and after predicting an Albert Pujols johnson off Mike Lincoln yesterday, no change there.

More over-analysis after the jump.

Star-divide

First, here are a few  positives I see having potential to carry forward:

  • Joey Votto is still very good. Look for him to continue to be very good and maybe even be better, BABIP be damned.
  • Team offense may not be as bad as expected. The team had 11 hits, 5 off Carpenter. Five is not "a lot" in the cosmic sense, but for an offense expected to be anemic against one of the best pitchers league-wide, this is encouraging.
  • Scott Rolen could maybe hit 20 HR? It was GABP on a 6 HR day, but it's certainly possible a strong, healthy Rolen could see a resurgence. That could give the Reds three 20 HR threats in the infield.
  • Harang will not fall off a cliff. If he keeps that pitch down against Rasmus and gets through the sixth, everyone is suddenly talking a Quality Start and  a return to '07 form.
  • Drew Stubbs is poised to break out. This isn't based on his 2-for-2 performance alone. Everything I've seen from him since his late-season call-up last year, offensively and defensively, suggests he's capable of exceeding what his minor league numbers say he'll do in his first full season in the bigs.
  • The bullpen is good. Masset's performance notwithstanding, there's nothing to suggest there's anything behind the curtain with guys like DRH or Rhodes. If Ondrusek can stick and Burton, Bray or Maloney find a semi-permanent role, the 2010 'pen could easily improve on last year.

Some of the bad tea leaves:

  • Dusty is capable of making weird decisions, even on a scale devised for and named after him. Let me just say - I hate digging on Dusty Baker. It brings me no pleasure. I think he's a charming, affable, lovely man. But he has massive blind spots - including his insistent (though not totalizing) preference for veterans. I don't care that Laynce Nix got a hit yesterday. It needs to be all Stubbs, all the time. If you're going to play Nix, play him over Dickerson (but actually don't really do that). Lincoln, your mop-up guy, was used in a fairly high-leverage situation against the Greatest Bat-wielding Man-God of Our Times. And then Cairo, quite possibly the worst bat on the team, pinch hit at a critical point - righty vs. righty - after a whole, detailed, match-up based justification was laid down for Nix playing. Further proof of the Dusty Corrollary to Murphy's Law: "Whatever player can get mis-used, will get mis-used (especially if he's 52 years old and has good advice about what kind of bait to use)."
  • Masset may be due for some regression. Nobody expected the kind of year he had in '09 and this season might show us why. Still, absolutely no conclusions can be drawn from one game. He's gonna give up some bombs at GABP, just like most of the staff.
  • O-Cab could be this year's A-Gon. Again, I don't think I learned much from one game, though he had a pretty bad spring too. Select eyewitnesses suggested he's lost a step or two at short. Going oh-for-five and leaving runners on is hard to watch, but this team shouldn't have expected much of a bump in production at short this year in any possible universe. Fix your hopes on the outfield and young pitchers.

Your up-to-the-minute standing for the Central:


NL Central Standings

W L PCT GB STRK
St. Louis 1 0 1.000 0 Won 1
Pittsburgh 1 0 1.000 0 Won 1
Houston 0 1 .000 1 Lost 1
Milwaukee 0 1 .000 1 Lost 1
Cincinnati 0 1 .000 1 Lost 1
Chicago 0 1 .000 1 Lost 1

(updated 4.6.2010 at 10:02 AM PDT)



Ok, negativity out. Enjoy the following triumvirate of media in order to get your mind right for Game Two:

Stevie Wonder - We Can Work It Out (via johnniewalker23)


Here is a very classic Fire Joe Morgan post: http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/05/1-reason-i-am-willing-to-be-baited.html

 

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Uhhh...

You mentioned the bullpen being good except for Masset, eh? I kind of feel like there was someone else who didn’t pitch so well out of the bullpen yesterday…

Which brings up another of Dusty’s stupid decisions, too. Even if Lincoln was the right choice for an inning (probably not), why on Earth did he stay out there for a second inning?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 6, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The Lincoln thing was pretty well-chronicled

Though I did mention it at the top of the post.

And it’s not at all a revelation that he performed poorly, so I’m not sure it bears mentioning again. The real lapse was how Baker used him. If he’s the mop-up guy for a month or two, that’s kind of what was expected and it’s somewhat tolerable. If he’s on the team all year, hasn’t improved and is being used in high-leverage situations, it’s a Dusty-Bob-Walt problem.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 6, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, yeah, I see how you did mention his misuse.

And sure, he could be a mop-up guy. Coming in when we’re down by two in the sixth against a lineup that’s pretty much guaranteed to score runs off of him? That’s just idiotic.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think in Dusty's mind, Lincoln is the long reliever

Remember how he was being touted as the fifth starter early in the spring.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 6, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

becoming convinced

we will not have a winning season, until we have a new manager.

by jacob brumfield on Apr 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i disagree also

im not a Dusty apologist….talent is the key. managers don’t make the big difference.

i dont think the Reds have the best player in the NL at any position. usually winning clubs have a couple contenders for that designation in their lineup.

"then skip it"....

by obc2 on Apr 7, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Balderdash...

1. Managers can and do make a difference, as much (in Dudty’s case) as 2 – 4 wins a season.
2. A team doesn’t have to have the best players to at least contend
3. By the As break I predict Bruce and Votto will be plenty good enough, Bailey too.
4. you’ve obviously been drinking
5. Don’t ever listen to Lance McCallister

Potential doesn't win games.

by Madville on Apr 7, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When was the last time the Reds were within 2-4 wins of making the playoffs?

It’s the talent, or lack thereof recently, that’s keeping the Reds from winning. Dusty is just the easy scapegoat

by ChiDa on Apr 7, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read once

That managers can make a difference, but generally only in the first three years of their tenure. They aren’t going to get any better after that.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like that harang was in your positive corner.

i heard so much complaining and negative talk about harang yesterday and in my opinion, he had a decent outing given the circumstances. if he doesn’t throw that ball away on the pickoff attempt, he only gives up 3 runs and the inning may have ended on the next pitch. totally different ballgame. i’m excited about harang coming back out there again because i think he’ll finally be on the winning side of things.

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by GrooveLeg on Apr 6, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, does the caption mean

that you think I should attend more games?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 6, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually thought A-Gon was okay

The problem was that he was injured so often.

I have a feeling the problem with O-Cab is that he’ll never be injured.

That, and there’s aging Rolen to his right.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I sorta meant last year's version of A-Gon

Previously defensively sound SS with diminishing range and bat skills.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 6, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's easy to forget that

in 110 games with the Reds in 2007, Gonzalez hit .272/.325/.468. Respectable numbers. He got close to those levels in his 44 games with the Red Sox last year, hitting .284/.316/.453.

Interestingly, it’s easy to forget that Dusty didn’t put Gonzalez near the top of the batting order very often—only 167 of his 430 PAs in 2007 were above #7 (about equally distributed between 2, 5, and 6). On the other hand, Cabrera pretty much only hit in the #2 spot in the order last year, pre-Reds. Then again, if he actually hit like he did last year in that slot (.297/.329/.407 in 503 PAs), that wouldn’t be so horrible.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 6, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

And his defense wasn’t that bad. It wasn’t as good as his reputation, but at least when he was healthy, he didn’t leave me pining for Jeff Keppinger.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty wasn't the manager in 2007.

That was Narron/Mackanin.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Apr 6, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Argh, you're right.

He started 17 of his 67 games with the Reds in 2009 batting second. Then again, he also OPSed .554 with the Reds that year…

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 6, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Wrong. Bad.

Things were good when he was injured because he wasn’t playing.

by Brian B on Apr 6, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubbs all the time, every time !

      Put him in and leave him alone.
Dusty, Dusty and less Dusty !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Apr 6, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

You over-defend Harang.

First off, he missed the pitch to Rasmus down. His target was about a foot higher and a few inches more inside IIRC. He left it over the inside part of the plate thigh-high, in the lefty wheelhouse.

The pitch to Pujols was a meatball. I know he’s a good hitter, but that 2-seamer was on a tee.

He threw similar bad pitches for much of the game, got down 2-0 quite frequently, hit 2 batters, and generally showed lack of control. Hopefully he fixes this for his next start.

Nix and Cabrera will be beaten into two finely churned pulps by RR’ers this season, with Madville’s defense of Laynce just not quite enough to save him. I don’t even think Cabrera is a better bat than Janish, and he’s certainly worth like -60 runs comparatively on defense. Watching him field short yesterday was excruciating. Dude has the range of a tortoise.

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Janish's bat < Cabrera's bat if Cabrera goes back to his levels of last year

and Janish makes no improvement from last year. I’m not inclined to believe that both of those will be true, though.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 6, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming slight improvement from Janish, and moderate suckage from Cabrera

The difference in offense can’t possibly make up for misfielding a ball that Janish would be able to get to in like half the time..

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering

why he’s the only guy who didn’t high-five the rest of the team. What’s up with that? Does he have a hand injury we don’t know about or what?

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn't know

the Reds Way™ yet

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by Cy Schourek on Apr 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was reported

in the eyewitness report thread.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I just read it

that’s pretty shitty of him… more reason for me to hate him! I thought I’d like him until I saw him move like molasses toward a particular ground ball up the middle that should have been a routine out.

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he was sick

And didn’t want to spread his germs around?

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just amazed at how terrible he looked out there on defense

He can’t really be that bad, can he?

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think he can.

I hope not, but he was pretty damn convincing, no?

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is reaching

but maybe O Cab (can I call him O Cab before a week on the team?) was upset with the loss and was “leading” by not “rewarding” failure.

Bah! Can we play game 2 already!

by mdccclxix on Apr 6, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he loses his legs due to cancer...

His stolen base totals will drop off dramatically!

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by crolfer on Apr 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is what fistbumps are for

Duh!

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by BobbyO on Apr 7, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ball

                Sutcliffe was crying about? It was a one hop smash up the middle that Ozzie in a Flash suit wouldn’t have got. It’s easier to play in Slo Mo.

                I guess we’re doomed to “Janish would have got that one” on every ground ball single that makes it through the infield this year.

by no1marauder on Apr 6, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No.

I wasn’t watching the ESPN broadcast. I just saw Cabrera move extremely sluggishly toward the middle (it looked like he was moving in artificially slowed motion) and saw the ball get into CF as it passed about 4 feet in front of him.

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked like he was running in quicksand

Janish would have gotten it. Jeter would have gotten it. Just about any SS would have gotten it.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 6, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I know it’s too early in the season for UZR or whatever, but his -15 rating from last year seemed accurate on OD.

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

Potential doesn't win games.

by Madville on Apr 7, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't in slo-mo

That was actual speed!

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by BubbaFan on Apr 7, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I may have been thinking of the Pujols homer

In either case, one mistake pitch which turned into an earned run. The larger point being that one or single-pitch events could have vastly changed the general perception of his outing. If you’re expecting an ace, you’ll be disappointed. If you’re expecting a middle of the rotation starter who will eat innings and still has the stuff to post a respectable K-rate and keep runners of the basepaths, there’s plenty of reason to think he’ll deliver.

“Harang will not fall off a cliff” is pretty far from over-defending Harang. The other component of accepting that Harang is still a servicable, but not great, pitcher is that another member of the staff will need to assume the role he held in ‘06-’07 and which the rotation (and a good portion of the current payroll) is based around.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 6, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want Harang to pitch mad.

All his cash has made him a lot too nice and hunky-dory out there. When he’s fired up he attacks even harder and uses his smarts better.

spit

That’s my take tonight.

by mdccclxix on Apr 6, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s interesting

by mdccclxix on Apr 6, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant, more specifically, this performance.

If you look at where his pitchers were and what the Cards swung at carefully, I think you’d agree that Harang was lucky to only give up 3 runs.

Some of the other pitches he missed on ended up as outs, because not everyone is Albert Pujols and normal baseball players make mistakes. My point is merely that I’d like to see him refine his accuracy and stop getting down 2-0 so frequently. He threw a lot of pitches through 5 innings, no?

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't his sharpest

and it wasn’t nearly, therefore, his 06-07 self. But if you can take his increase in velocity in hope, you can see he may be on track right away.

by mdccclxix on Apr 6, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the velocity for the inning it was there.

I also liked what appeared to be a splitter he was throwing (he called it a slider in post-game, but he threw something at 84 that broke straight down).

I did not like that he could not locate his fastball.

by jsl413 on Apr 6, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

His control was off, no question

I haven’t seen the Pitch/fx, nor matched them against hot/cold zones or examined his swing/miss rates. I’d expect it to be underwhelming. But I don’t expect Harang to suddenly lose his control this season and one game certainly won’t sway me. I would expect him to lose some velocity or movement, but there’s hope that he’s actually made some improvements in both departments.

It’s a contingent hope, but it’s there. If you assume he’s good for a shade over 2 BBs a game like he has been for the past 5 seasons and you take that with an improved delivery / fastball that can still touch 94 (and possibly a splitter?), there’s a good pitcher in there. We’re far from ringing praise here, but also pretty far from calling him any less than a #3 starter.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 7, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you!

I’m just saying I hope he controls his pitches better than he did Monday for the rest of the season. I think Harang can be effective and I’m not saying he will have a terrible season, I’m just saying he was off Monday.

by jsl413 on Apr 7, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it.

Why does the audio have nothing to do with the ’90 Reds video?

by Brian B on Apr 6, 2010 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure

But just let it wash over you. This is supposed to cleanse the pallet for tomorrow.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 6, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just noticed this at Fay's blog

The Reds’ individual salaries

Am I weird to think it was odd for Fay to ask Votto if he was happy with his salary? I guess I haven’t seen that before. What was Votto going to say, no? I guess he could, but it seems very unlikely.

by Red_Poodle on Apr 7, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

i found it odd

Micah only makes 40k more than the rookies despite his tenure.

a sad aside is that Adam Rosales is earning his 2nd 400k annual salary. one more of those and he exceeds my lifetime income. crud.

"then skip it"....

by obc2 on Apr 7, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He might make more than you, but he'll never suck more than you

So ya got that goin’ for ya. Chin up buddy!

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by jch24 on Apr 7, 2010 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

touche, donkey

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by jch24 on Apr 7, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

Where are the seats for tonight? Just curious.

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by jch24 on Apr 7, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

they are at the ballpark

I think they just leave them there all of the time.

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by Slyde on Apr 7, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

ha!

take that, jch’s dumb question!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 7, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

There goes my career

as a Cincinnati Reds seat mover-inner. I was going to claw my way up to GM from there.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

they did the same thing with the Cancer in his 2nd year

he had a really funny answer. Basically something like “I mean, I’m cost-controlled. You expect me to pout because of collective bargaining? You’re trying to make something out of a non-issue.”

Its an attempt to get a SHOCKING QUOTE that players are way too smart to deal with

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by Cy Schourek on Apr 7, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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