Get the Pitchforks: Reds Opening Day Lineup
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I feel exactly how I felt last season when I saw McDonald as the OD centerfielder
This just kinda ruins it. If this is the normal lineup versus righties I’m not happy…not happy at all.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I had some moderate hopes for this team
Then this garbage comes out, and I’m reminded who’s still running this team. If Nix and Dickerson are starting brause there’s a fucking right handed pitcher on the hill, it’s going to be another long maddening season. Here’s to 2011!
by Brian B on Apr 4, 2010 8:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fay is reporting the same thing
Stubbs not playing and FUCKING Laynce Nix in LF!!!!!! http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/04/04/opening-day-lineups/
Yep that's the lineup
Fuck you, Dusty Baker.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
All Dusty apologists need to look at this lineup when they question why people don't like him
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
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I hate Laynce Nix on the Reds roster. I think I remember someone giving Jocketty a pass for signing Nix, because he was roster filler. Nooooope. Thanks, Walt Jocketty, for allowing this to happen.
I’m glad we kept a couple up-and-comers on the roster, so they can rot on the bench.
IAN! I'm on traain!
Ya know Chris Carpenter is a tough righthander
So lets get two of our better hitters in the spring out of the lineup, and downgrade the CF defense.
Again. Fuck you, Dusty, Fuck…….you.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
Not poor
But the argument can be made that Stubbs is the superior defender. Honestly, the difference between them is probably little enough that it doesn’t matter, but there’s no reason why Stubbs shouldn’t be rewarded for the great spring he had.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
THEN PUT HIM IN LEFT FIELD GODDAMNIT
by Brian B on Apr 4, 2010 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This is why we can't have shitty things
Give Dusty a fucking veteran like Nix and he can’t help himself
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
by chesirecat on Apr 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
OK, so, not defending Dusty, BUT
just to come down off the ledge a bit:
Carpenter career slash line against
Right handed batters: .248/.301/.373 .678 OPS
Left handed batters: .277/.339/.443 .782 OPS
That’s pretty substantial. I’m not going to give Dusty credit (yet) for this, but it could be the reason.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I suspect
a lot of RHP’s have similar lines. Stubbs will be sitting the bench a lot if that’s the criteria.
Interesting thought...I'm too lazy to look up a bunch of individual pitchers, but here's the OPS split, as a whole, for the RHers on each NL central team from last season
Chicago
LH OPSed .750
RH OPSed .687
Houston
LH: 816
RH: .782
Milwaukee
LH: .816
RH: .766
Pittsburgh
LH: .840
RH: .769
St. Louis
LH: .765
RH: .663
So obviously there is a split everywhere, but Carpenter’s seems a bit bigger than average. Again, not defending Dusty, just trying not to get too depressed.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Game 2
Wainwright:
RH: .238/.288/.336 .624 OPS
LH: .268/.334/.418 .752 OPS
Stubbs better get used to watching Nix play if Dusty follows that “logic”.
Nix
hit a HR against Carpenter last June 4, so I guess it’s “lightning in a bottle” time. That makes him 1 for 7 lifetime against CC. I can see Dickerson; he’s got more hits off Carpenter than he does against any other pitcher; 5 for 10. Stubbs went 1 for 3 against CC last 10/1 and Gomes is 0 for 4.
Small
Sample
Size
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by cesarhernandez on Apr 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I am reminded
That Hoyt Wilhelm hit a home run in his first ML AB.
(This does not change the fact that yes, ’tHan is insane.) -- FVA
Wait, this isn't an April Fools joke?
Dickerson starting in CF AND leading off?
Be still my beating heart!
AND Laynce Nix in the lineup? The only thing that would make this lineup better is if Cabrera wasn’t batting 2nd (or Hell, in the lineup playing SS at all), AND if BP wasn’t batting cleanup.
Aside from those items, awesome lineup!
aren't you one of the Dusty appologist?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I apologize for The Dusty?
If so, someone needs to beat the shit out of me and soon
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry i meant to apply to no1marauder
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Funny thing is
Drew Stubbs is one of five players being made available to the media before the game. The rest are all in the starting lineup: Bruce, Phillips, Rolen and Votto.
My question to Stubbs: “Hey Drew! What’s it like riding the bench on your first Opening Day as a Red so minor-league invite chaff like Nix and career fourth-outfielders like Dickerson can play instead?”
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by cesarhernandez on Apr 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I don't mind having Dickerson in the lineup at all
but I’m completely with you otherwise. Why push Stubbs as an important Red if you can’t even be bothered to start him on opening day?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'm going to guess this is how Dusty likes to fuck with LaRussa's mind.
Sadly, the lefty/righty thing probably really does get to Tony.
by Brian B on Apr 4, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nix: .143 (1-7, HR, 2K)
It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.
by PeteyHendrix on Apr 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I expected to see Dickerson
playing LF with Gomes on the bench.
This platooning stuff is nonsense. Generally, it really only makes sense to sit a lefty hitter against a tough lefty.
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I was shocked when I first saw this..
but after reading Carpenter’s lines it makes a little more sense. Now if Nix goes 0-4 with 2 Ks I’ll feel slightly differently. I don’t mind Dickerson in CF, he had an equally impressive spring as Stubbs and plays comparable defense (I believe); however I’d still prefer Stubbs in CF and Dickerson in LF.
I was right about Miguel Cairo for infield utility!
Right, in a vacuum, it makes a little bit of sense
but of course this opens the question of what Dusty plans to do on a regular basis.
Is there going to be a CDick/Stubbs platoon in CF and a Gomes/Nix platoon in LF?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Hello, fourth place!
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Indeed.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes indeedee do?
"You know it's gonna be a good one when you see Fred Quimby's name at the beginning."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 4, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
for like 10 minutes
when Dusty remembers Nix sucks (by April 20th), then hopefully he goes with the 3 man rotation.
On this team Dickerson DESERVES to play
Then put him in LF
Fuck Nix.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean platoon him and Gomes and Stubbs? Sure, I'm fine with that
The love for Stubbs with so Reds Reporters continues to baffle. He has done nothing to warrant this love, except for the promise of his talent. On the other hand, Dickerson only had a .360+ OBP last season and that would seem to be a good thing on a team where many of the batters want to avoid clogging those basepaths. Why he is relegated to 4th OF status when Stubbs Triple A OPS was barely 700 is one of the mysteries of this board
No one is saying Dickerson shouldn't play
But he can handle LF just fine. The real question is would you rather have Nix or Stubbs and there’s no way the case can be made for Nix
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Apr 4, 2010 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right
Don’t platoon Stubbs because he was probably the best hitter on the goddamn team this spring (other than Votto). He was great at the end of last year too, and absolutely has earned a spot in the lineup. I have no problem platooning Dickerson with Gomes in LF. Nix should be nowhere near the starting lineup.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
crap
this is some Billy Gillispie bullshit. I can’t wait til the manager in our dugout isn’t wearing 4 sweatbands and chomping a toothpick.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 4, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I should've retired in 2000, apparently.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 4, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm ambivalent personally. I hate his strategy and line-ups
but the players tend to like him and he’s done a good job with the bullpen. In the end, I still wish Davey Johnson was the manager!
I suppose, but it's just one game against an evil veteran
If this were a June Sunday, then no one could complain. I’m reasonably sure Stubbs will play fine defense and will get 500 AB’s, but playing against Carpenter? He avoids an 0 for 4 with 3 K’s
And 0 for 4 with 3 Ks doesn't do much for a youngster's confidence
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I could be completely wrong here..
.but I’m guessing that this is what it comes down to for Dusty.
I don’t really wanna be on record as defending his decision but if I were to spend a minute or two inside Dusty’s head, this might be the takeaway:
1] Don’t want the kid to strikeout three times on Opening Day.
2] Bring the kid in to face on of LaRussa’s lefties late in the game.
"You know it's gonna be a good one when you see Fred Quimby's name at the beginning."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 4, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well, technically
he’ll have every chance to go 0 for 4 with 3 Ks versus Wainright on the REAL opening day.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 4, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
"Oh, you think you know my WEDNESDAY NIGHT lineup?"

"You know it's gonna be a good one when you see Fred Quimby's name at the beginning."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 4, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
so valid
oh, and tommybahama’d
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 4, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Stubbs and Dickerson
didn’t have equally impressive springs.
Drew Stubbs had an OPS over 1.000.
Chris Dickerson had an OPS under .800.
Drew Stubbs is also the better defender.
So really, they weren’t close.
Stubbs is marginally better than Dickerson defensively
But of course you’ll cherry pick stats to somehow show that Dickerson is just barely better than Dunn defensively, or something else pretty silly
But I guess we should care about ST stats to determine the OD lineup?
I just want to see the Reds win! Win I tell you, win! 78 last year, let’s see if we can inch closer to .500! Onward and upward!
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
I’m not Doug, but I don’t see anything in his comment to justify what you just wrote.
You said that the ST stats were equally impressive. He pointed out that they weren’t. You agree with him that Stubbs is the better defender. Given that, why do you say you expect him to cherry pick stats?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Can't say bad things about doug or Drew Stubbs over on that other site
it’s taboo!
I guess that’s one of my favorite parts about RR, is that I can say whatever I want about Drew Stubbs whenever I want.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The better question is did anyone really like picking Stubbs at that spot?
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that Stubbs was the right pick
but that doesn’t make him a bad player
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
But now it seems like a square peg round hole kinda roster move for the Reds
I’m not convinced Stubbs is ready to be a MLB player yet, and it seems that b/c of the position he plays and where we drafted him, we’re putting too many of our eggs in the Drew Stubbs basket
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Stubbs is a fine player; I just think he needs to show he's an everyday CF
If he does, then he does.
Apparently he's not going to get the chance
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Apr 4, 2010 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It's 1 game
If we start to see more Dickerson in CF and Nix in LF vs RHP, then let’s get excited
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is only 1/2 of the game
I like a LHB vs a RHP, and it’s just 1 game…
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I think that's an accurate statement.
Doug generally does good work and he’s got the best (only?) site devoted to Reds minor leaguers, but he’s certainly not immune to criticism. He gets it pretty hard sometimes over at John Sickels’ site for his perceived fanboyism of Reds prospects (although that community suffers terribly from groupthink and fanboyism itself). I wouldn’t say I dislike Doug, but I also don’t think accusations of cherry-picking stats or latching onto guys and not letting them go are altogether unfounded either. Of course, Drew Stubbs isn’t really one of those guys, since he’s a badass and will totally be a stud MLB starter.
I really do feel like I have a lot to learn from you
Will you be my Yoda?
Pretty please?
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So I'll wear only some metallic sash, and make weird noises?
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't do it, Highlife! It's a really poor career choice.

"You know it's gonna be a good one when you see Fred Quimby's name at the beginning."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 4, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I've often wondered how Chewie finds his junk
but then again, I should remember lots of things I choose not to.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It finds you, Pops!

"You know it's gonna be a good one when you see Fred Quimby's name at the beginning."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 4, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That solves the mystery of this face

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I never addressed ST stats until after doug talked about them
doug is one of the best stat cherry pickers I’ve ever seen. He’s definitely got a future in PR.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't specifically say stats, sure.
But you did say:
I don’t mind Dickerson in CF, he had an equally impressive spring as Stubbs and plays comparable defense (I believe)
He then provided evidence that Stubbs had a more impressive spring. If you think he’s cherrypicking stats, you could always provide evidence of that.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
That was chazzilla, not me
Click on the up link a couple of times, and it’ll take you to chazzilla’s comment about ST stats. I only talked about ST stats after doug’s comment.
And I just don’t feel like bringing RedsZone trash over to RR. RR is a better place without evidence of doug’s stat cherry picking.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, right.
Didn’t notice that the original comment wasn’t yours.
Not that it makes any more sense that you jumped on Doug for his response or anything.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
doug and Stubbs are lightning rods in my book for whatever reason
But then again I’ve never been a big fan of Reds prospects since historically they haven’t developed
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Adam Dunn and Joey Votto suck
They had a dry spell in most of the 00’s, but their scouting and development is 10x better now than it was then
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying historically they haven't developed prospects doesn't mean every prospect has failed, ya know?
Dunn, Votto, Cueto, they’ve all either done well or are on the right path.
It just seems like Reds prospects developing are few and far between. It’s a trend I wanna see change.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
there's no proof that the scouting and development is better
aside from votto nobody had yet panned out
Votto, Dickerson, Cueto, Bailey, Stubbs, Hanigan, Ondrusek, Leake
All legit looking MLBers. Unproven? Sure, but you’d be hard pressed to find so many homegrown players on one MLB roster, not to mention all the guys knocking on the door at AAA
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Apr 4, 2010 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Look at the talent in the system and tell me that the scouting isn't better
On our prospects list, there are at least 5 no-brainer major leaguers and 10 more guys that could realistically make it. The talent earlier this decade was nowhere near that.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cueto and Votto have and the others are on their way to
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
there have been a lot of players "on their way"
we may have a bunch of Brandon Larsons in the minors
2 words about that better scouting
Devin Mesoraco
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, the MLB draft is a lot more of a crap shoot than the other major sports
Even the teams with the best scouting fail on a good percentage of first rounders.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We knew that was going to be a project when he was drafted
If in a year he’s out of baseball, then yeah, they fucked up. But he’s a high school catcher, you can’t expect him to be a big leaguer in 3 years.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see what he does for Toronto, no?
Although there’s certainly the argument that he’s not ready to be a MLBer yet, and now his development is directly influenced by the Blue Jays.
I know this is merely speculation, but I think if Stewart stayed a Red, he’d end up a AAAA arm.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Then you definitely must read RedsZone
When the Rolen trade happened, it was as if we just tossed away 5 Cy Young awards
Hyperbole at its finest
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hyperbole bordering on insanity
I read some of the comments on redsminorleagues.com
and was amazed how angry people were over trading someone they had probably never heard of not 6 months before.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a great point
It really did seem like no one had heard of Zach Stewart before the trade, and I don’t remember Zach Stewart really being high atop our prospect list at the beginning of 2009.
Maybe I’m wrong, and I’m just trying to put 2009 out of my head quickly.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't high on the list at the beginning of 09
But by the time he was traded, he was the top pitcher on the list, easily.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Apr 4, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the phrase I'm looking for?
Oh yeah….
I like your think, kid
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
With this rational
Why not play your backup CF Nix and have Fransisco defend LF. All of a sudden it doesn’t matter who did what in the past, only what hand they use to write with.
Garbage.
by Excalib8 on Apr 4, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm drunk and rec'n
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dusty Baker never ceases to surprise...
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Could we point out that it's just one freakin' game?
And, if all you Stubbs lovers are correct, then much like McDonald last season, Laynce will be forgotten by May 1st.
In any event, I for one am glad to see Dickerson get his chance. This team needs dudes who make fewer outs and Dickerson should be leading off, even if Drew is in the line up.
I suppose I’d rather see Stubbs over Nix, who shouldn’t even be on the roster, but…it’s nice to see Dusty make one right decision
I'm conflicted between the two.
Looking at ST stats—which I know don’t really mean anything, but probably got Dickerson the starting day job—Stubbs had a .354 OBP with 5 BB and 17 SO in 60 AB, compared with Dickerson’s .327 OBP with 3 BB and 14 SO. Stubbs also slugged .700 and Dickerson slugged .462. Based on those stats Stubbs should be starting in CF, but I’m not sure what the breakdown is against lefties/righties…
I was right about Miguel Cairo for infield utility!
you are the Dusty appologist

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Yeah, because I think Stubbs and Dickerson should platoon, I'm Dusty's apologist
Why don’t we just go over to Hal’s blog and we can call Dusty names all day. You know, it’s his fault they’ve sucked since 2000.
I was waiting for the "it's one freaking game" defense
Come on. It’s not like we just started watching the Reds yesterday.
by Brian B on Apr 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He started in CF, and he played a fair bit
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by nycredsfan on Apr 4, 2010 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is McDonald your only card?
Taveras, Rosales, Nix, Patterson, Inspector Jolbert. The real crime is depriving young playes of the at bats they need so that the manager can play righty/lefty games with marginal bench players like Laynce Nix. It’s garbage and it’s a broken record with this Dusty-led team. If you want to go ahead and erase history and start 2010 with a clean slate, then you will more than likely have better mental health than the rest of us in the long run. I wish I could erase my memory selectively like that.
by Brian B on Apr 4, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
what young player suffered, Brian, when Taveras and Patterson played?
The not ready Stubbs? Since when WASN’T Rosie a young player? Nix took whose spot last year?
Your argument seems to be Dusty played sucky players, but it falters when you realize the Reds HAD only sucky players. The only person McDonald hurt was a Johnny Gomes, who is apparently unwanted outside of the Reds.
Having sucky teams is as much Dusty’s fault as it is yours.
Gomes
98 G, 20 HR, 127 OPS+….. Darnell McDonald, “Would you like fries with that?”
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I mentioned him, pops. he's not exactly seen as valuable in most of MLB baseball
since the Reds did not offer him a contract and he wasn’t able to find work anywhere else. I’m glad they re-signed him and all, but the the Reds sucked last year and would have if with McDonald on the roster for 25 days or for 0 days.
Stubbs wasn't ready?
.267/.323/.439 10 SB in 42 games, with excellent defense?
Also, Gonzalez should have been on my list. And to answer your question in advance, Janish and Sutton.
But I was only refering to Stubbs and Gomes in my comment. Additionally, Bruce was benched when healthy on more than one occasion with a lefty on the mound.
Is there an argument that a .210 hitting 23 year old shouldn't be on the bech against lefties
You think playing Gonzalez hurt Sutton (who can’t play SS) and Janish (who can’t Triple A). Furtyher, you imagine that Stubbs was ready after ST last season? ‘Cause Walt had 20 chances to bring him up and didn’t until August. Not exactly Dusty’s fault. For example, the day after Bruce was hurt, Walt was asked about Stubbs and he indicated Stubbs was “working on things.” How is that Dusty’s fault??
"You think playing Gonzalez hurt Sutton (who can’t play SS) and Janish (who can’t Triple A)."
I think that playing Gonzalez hurt the team, and pissed the rest of us off. Just like playing matchups on opening day (Madville excluded). Dusty says it’s not a “platoon,” but it has been that way for the last two years. It isn’t going to stop in 2010.
Distgusting
That is all I can say about Laynce Nix in the lineup for opening day. How can the 5th OF start opening day? I just don’t understand it.
There is a time a place for everything, and it's called college.
I'm hoping htat maybe Stubbs has the flu or something
that’s really the only thing that makes sense.
Or Nix in LF > Dickerson in LF defensively to such a degree that it beats Stubbs in CF > Dickerson in CF.
Or this just makes no fucking sense.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I would think that Dickerson is better defensively in LF than Nix
And call Dickerson and Stubbs essentially equal in CF (although of course I prefer Dickerson’s defense b/c I hate Drew Stubbs, right?)
So it really could be that Dickerson has had some limited success vs Chris Carpenter, and Nix is a LHB, or maybe Drew Stubbs has some D2D injury we don’t know about?
Or you’re right, this could just make no fucking sense. This is The Dusty we’re talkin’ about. He makes no fucking sense.
The Nix fan in me loves that he’s starting. The Reds fan in me wants to see Dickerson and Stubbs in the same lineup, with Dickerson leading off, of course.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically.
Is anyone else watching the game on ESPN2?
I was right about Miguel Cairo for infield utility!
Not showing in the Hartford area
I keep flip flopping between YES and NESN.
I can’t stand the Yankees announcers.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't we be more mad
that Mr. Clutch is batting eight? We need our RBI men closer to the top of the lineup
I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.
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I was hoping this post was about a new partnership with Pitchformedia
Salt in the wound here, but unless Wlad is traded in the next like 15 hrs, he gets picked up on waivers for nothing, right?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 4, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
I forgot to gripe about Dusty
He’s just not the right manager for the Reds. The hostility toward his lineups is often misdirected – and Laynce Nix starting one game is far from a serious offense. But Opening Day in Cincinnati puts it under a microscope.
I think your reasoning is sound above, nyc, as to what Dusty’s line of thinking is. But he’s made the classic error of mistaking the aggregate for the individual. Nix is terribly overmatched against Carp, lefthanded or not. Stubbs doesn’t really have a platoon split — to say nothing of his defensive advantage over Dickerson in CF. There could be a general trend with Carpenter etc etc etc… it’s a million little knives / Chinese water torture everything this crap happens.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like starting the season disgruntled
The Wlad/Stubbs business is more bad omen than anything else. Hopefully it makes both Stubbs and Dickerson hungry. I just hate that the positive spin on Wlad being cut is that the OF would be a pretty hard-and-fast Dickerson/Gomes, Stubbs & Bruce. Now we know that probably won’t be the case. In an outfield where Stubbs and Bruce don’t have a full, productive MLB season between them, they’re introducing more potential mediocrity by starting Laynce Nix. Disheartening.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 4, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So you'd rather start the season gruntled?
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 4, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Precisely
I want to be censed, noyed, ritable, ritated and de-malcontented.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 4, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Brett Gardner steals home
He’s got great wheels, no denying that.
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Sorry, I meant to post this in the other thread.
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Dusty's logic
Really tough right hander so he wants Dickerson to lead off, therefore he must play CF.
The 7th spot in the line-up is a power spot, uh wait a second…STUBBS LED THE CACTUS LEAD IN FUCKING HOMERUNS!
Really tough right hander so Stubbs best chance to succeed is on the bench.
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by Dave from Louisville on Apr 4, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
I like it when Laynce Nix faces LHP
And when Dickerson faces LHP.
When Stubbs and Gomes are on the bench! It makes so much sense.
You know, I didn't really mind that much when Nix made the team over Wlad.
Wlad’s likely to be the better player both now and in the future, but I also don’t think he was ever going to get a chance to start full time for the Reds, and I don’t think he’s really made to be a platoon bat. That, combined with the superior LF prospects coming up behind him, made me disappointed but not particularly angry.
Not so much anymore. This is pretty much indefensible use of your players.
At the workout today I asked Dusty. He said Carpenter is the toughest RHP they will be facing, thus the LHH. He said Stubbs will normally play against RHP. Just not this tough of one.
This crap makes my brain cramp.
What possible justification does Dusty have with this? What, at all?
If he’s talking about splits, he can shove it. Jay Bruce will never be benched for anything, despite the fact that his splits vs. lefties are godawful. Why is Stubbs any different? He’s a 1st rounder too, right?
With Dusty’s reasoning, he’s going to bench Stubbs whenever we play Carpenter, Wainright, Zambrano, Oswalt, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Josh Johnson, Hudson, Lowe, Jurrjens, or Halladay either? WHEN THE HELL WILL HE PLAY??
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 4, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is true (I'll take your word for it) it makes me feel better
But it still means Dusty doesn’t realize that Nix still sucks
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by nycredsfan on Apr 4, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What's with Cabrera?
Why isn’t Hanley batting second? Jeez, Dusty’s an idiot.
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This totally screws up my lineup post
I didn’t account for the possibility that Nix could play opening day! Dammit Dusty!
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When I look at this line-up, I'm struck by many things
but the one one thing that I hope to be struck by is lightning.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
This little gaffe is surprisingly annoying
It’s not because I think the team is in significantly worse shape by carrying NIx – and starting him vs. “tough righties” – but that one of my favorite sporting days of the year has to be sullied by incompetence I didn’t account for (and of which there will surely be more, in small but frequent doses, throughout the year).
Why not take two good players – Dickerson and Stubbs – who both also played well this spring – and play them on Opening Day instead of working voodoo economics on pitcher splits and starting your 5th outfielder who shouldn’t be on the roster to begin with? What’s that? I’m trapped in the film Shutter Island? Cool, I’ll have one lobotomy please.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 4, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
dude
at least you didn’t drop a ton of money on a Drew Stubbs jersey last week in anticipation of going to see him smash Carpenter to start our season IN PERSON.
I hate Dusty Baker. I hate that man.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 4, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You're kidding about spending money on a Drew Stubbs jersey, right?
Right?
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 4, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, not a bit.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 5, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, NYC
I’ve been away for a couple of days but is my mancrush on Leake still a moot point and completely out of the question roster-wise?
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
yay dickerson!
boo nix….why not fransico?
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Poor poor poor Dudsy
I don’t like platooning
I don’t like knifey-spoony
Yet I wouldn’t have been surprised to have seen this same kind of line up from Sparky 33-34 years ago.
That said, this is not the best use of Laynce Nix.
If Dudsy ain’t going to play gomes then C-Dick and Stubbs should be in the line up together.
Stubbs CF
C-Dick LF
Votto
BP
Bruce
Rolen
Hernandez
El Kabrerra
Harang
I am though way more concerned about Aaron Harang’s performance today than Nix’s.
Potential doesn't win games.
Sparky Anderson would not have used this lineup!
What kind of weirdo plays a 3 or 4 year old at 3rd base!?
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and simply an egg at First, Shortstop, LF, CF, and pitcher
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Apr 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor poor poor Dudsy
I don’t like platooning
I don’t like knifey-spoony
Yet I wouldn’t have been surprised to have seen this same kind of line up from Sparky 33-34 years ago.
That said, this is not the best use of Laynce Nix.
If Dudsy ain’t going to play Gomes then C-Dick and Stubbs should be in the line up together.
Stubbs CF
C-Dick LF
Votto
BP
Bruce
Rolen
Hernandez
El Kabrerra
Harang
I am though way more concerned about Aaron Harang’s performance today than Nix’s.
Potential doesn't win games.
the rare double post
17 mins apart. well done, sir!
"then skip it"....
by obc2 on Apr 5, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm trying to figure out if maybe it's one of those
“Find the 5 differences in these two images” types of things.
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Just throwing this out there...
I think I’ve told this story before, but, in the middle of last season, I was out having a few drinks with some of my friends and Dusty shows up at the bar with two players. Guess who they were… Clutch Man Monie and Laynce Nix. Coincidence?
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They were both pitching their cases for marrying Dusty's daughter
he’s still yet to decide whom to give permission. Puts a bunch of pressure on Nix today.
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