Are Harang's Fastballs and Sliders too obvious?
by Slyde on Apr 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT
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PrintI come today not to defend or destroy Aaron Harang. I am simply looking to evaluate him and see if we can gain any insight into his struggles. Building off of this fine piece by justin007000, I decided to take a closer look at Harang's two primary pitches, his fastball and his slider. What I wanted to see is whether or not there is something about them that has led to a decline in performance.
First, a little a data from Pitch FX (courtesy of FanGraphs):
| Year | Fastball | Slider | ||||
| Speed | Horz Mov. | Vert Mov. | Speed | Horz Mov. | Vert Mov. | |
| 2007 | 90.3 | -4.1 | 11.4 | 82.8 | 2.7 | 3.7 |
| 2008 | 89.4 | -4.1 | 10.7 | 81.6 | 3.3 | 2.4 |
| 2009 | 90.7 | -5.3 | 10.8 | 81.1 | 2.6 | 2.1 |
| 2010 | 90.9 | -4.9 | 10.9 | 82.5 | 2.3 | 2.5 |
The movement is in inches. Negative horizontal movement means it moves in towards right-handers. Positive vertical movement means it drops that much less than you would expect based on gravity and velocity alone. It appears Harang has more movement on his fastball than he used to, but less on his slider. I honestly don't know what that means in terms of performance. One guess though is that more movement might mean less control of the fastball. This could be why it seems like he is leaving more pitches over the fat part of the plate. I'm just guessing though. Unfortunately, we don't know the difference between where he intended to throw a pitch and where it ended up.
I only put this data in here to show that there has been some change in the two pitches. I'm not experienced enough with pitch fx data to tell you how much that change makes a difference though. Perhaps someone else has some insight.
After the jump, I have another point that I think I can see some significance in, so keep reading to find that out!
Something that I noticed while looking at the pitch fx data is that there is quite a bit of separation between the release point for Harang's fastball and his slider. I wondered if that had always been the case. Here is what I found out, via a slightly confusing graph:
What this graph shows is the average release points for Harang's fastballs (blue) and sliders (red). The different shapes signify different years: triangle=2007, diamond=2008, square=2009, circle=2010. It's hard to see the diamonds and triangles because they are right on top of each other. And that is what stuck out for me. In 2007 and 2008, the release point for Harang's fastball and slider were about 2 inches apart. The last two seasons they have been 5 inches apart on average. For somebody who is only a 2-pitch pitcher (more or less), this might be enough of a tell for the hitter that gives them that split-second advantage on the pitch.
I don't expect that this is something that many hitters can articulate, but I imagine a 5 inch difference in location is perceptible somehow. Maybe it shows as a slightly different angle of the forearm or a raised shoulder. All just hypotheses on my part, but I would guess that most major league hitters are able to pick up on the differences after some time, even if they can't label exactly what it is.
This difference might also explain the change in movement on his pitches, but I'll leave that sort of determination to the experts. What I do believe that it shows is that there has been some sort of change in Harang's delivery/motion/etc. Whether this is injury related or not, I can't tell. I did split up 2008 just to see if there was a difference during the year, but it was fairly consistent. It could just be that Harang's consistent, repeatable motion that was his trademark of 2006 and 2007 is gone. Maybe he can get it back, but I doubt it. I think the best we have to hope for right now is that he can get back to being average.
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cool stuff
I imagine that 5 inches is a tremendous amount of difference.
Something I’d like to see is a standard deviation of how different this is from the average pitcher. For example, is that 2.5" break rather than a 3.7" break on his slider a huge difference? Or is it within a reasonable range? Same goes for arm angles…but I feel that’d be much tougher to crunch because of all the different release points out there
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"I imagine that 5 inches is a tremendous amount of difference."
That’s what she sa – ah, screw it.
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by jch24 on Apr 26, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I rec'd this post for sheer professionalism.
Like jch, there’s no way I could’ve written this without a single snicker of immaturity. interesting data, as well.
I hope it’s just this simple, since it seems this is something that could be fixed within reason. I’m just worried it’s far, far deeper.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that it is deeper than 5 inches...
Unless this is just a mechanical flaw it may point to:
1. Loss of weight
2. Arm speed
3. Release location
4. too much nibbling
5. incorrectly rubbed balls
Potential doesn't win games.
by Madville on Apr 26, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
deeper than 5 inches...
4. too much nibbling
5. incorrectly rubbed balls
Immaturity is my middle name.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 26, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, I thought I did.
Let’s try this again. You should be properly rec’d now
by RedsMasochist on Apr 26, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
"professionalism". right.
this is the same guy who has a plaque that says “Dr. Benjamin Dover” on his desk down at Red Reporter Intl. Inc. he also has a collection of oft-used whoopie cushions, a mug that says “A Nice Hot Mug of Shut the Fuck Up”, and many, many posters of women of inappropriate ages engaging in legally questionable activities. too old, not too young.
he also wont let anyone else use his executive bathroom anymore because he’s a dick like that. he once wore a halter-top on Casual Friday. he never wipes the jelly off the knife before putting it in the peanut butter so it gets little jelly bits in the jar. he always walks by your desk and rips a big fart, and then blames it on you. he thinks this is outrageously funny, but it hasnt been for about 3 years now.
yeah. professionalism. thy name is Slyde.
oh, and fyi, we Reposter guys are unionized, otherwise this little rant could be considered grounds for termination. so nyah nyah.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 26, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget when I left a dook under BK's desk
I rule!
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Lower decker?
And why the hell have I never gotten a desk?
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Because it wouldn't fit in the toolshed behind the building that you insist on spending all of your time in?
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by BK on Apr 26, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You are the Todd Packer of Red Reporter
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by BK on Apr 26, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe.
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Oh, and I refuse to make the obvious joke
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Did someone say professionalism?
Here’s what Marty thinks of your professionalism.
Saw this over at Redleg Nation and had to share it with you all.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 27, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The "union busters"
Slyde sent over to kneecap us were just a bunch of his drunk former Sig Ep brothers. I’m sorry I let them pummel you while I held you down and we forced you to admit Aaron Harang was washed up. I was under a lot of peer pressure and really wanted to use their sweet beer bong with mother of pearl inlay.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
thsi is a really interestin post
Harang’s velcoity and movement have not changed that much, so the hypothesis that the location difference is hurting him is plausible. Hopefully, someone else has noticed this for the Reds. Harang needs some help.
seriously though
i wonder if the Reds look at this kind of stuff. remember a few years ago when a Mariners blog (i think it was USS Mariner) did a piece on how King Felix was misusing his pitches? and someone read it and told him about it and he took the advice and improved? hopefully someone is talking to Harang about this.
great stuff Slyder.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 26, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
I thought that too
You know some of these guys google themselves, I wonder if any of them ever read what’s on here.
To be fair, most of what is written about players on here is ridiculous, but this would be worth a look for Harang
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
There are two types of people in this world
People who “google themselves”, and liars.
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oh yeah
pretty sweet Harnannigan picture, too.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 26, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
rainy night in the northeast
Mets game banged. Will we get a replacement game on ESPN?
Scranton rained out, too.
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plenty of good seats still available, I see
Good grief. There’s almost nobody there.
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This day just got weirder
I’ve felt like crap all day despite not having drank a single beer last night, and now my ex-wife is being positively nice.
Between me not drinking and her cheerfulness, I thought I’d be nice enough to let you all know that the apocalypse is upon us. Luckily we’re in Cincinnati so it’ll make it here five years after it hits the rest of the civilized world.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
I forgot another sign
Justin posted a diary at 2:00 AM that has garnered 8 recs. The end is nigh, folks.
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I fix the stupid spelling error in your HOF diary and this is the way you treat me?
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10 years big guy
if you are going to quote Mark Twain don’t butcher him.
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a HELL of a thing for you to say
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get bent fuckface
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Rogers has the best roast beef sandwiches in Cincinnati
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Wrong
Although this website claims there is no verifiable proof that Twain said that.
But I have no idea where you got Will Rogers from
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew i was stretching it
but i love Morbo so.
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny
Because I was thinking about Bender when it was suggested that jch felt like crap because he hadn’t had a drink.
“Bender! You’re blind stinking sober!”
by Brendanukkah on Apr 26, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
promise me you won't get behind the wheel until you've had a drink!
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"ALL HUMANS ARE VERMIN IN THE EYES OF MORBO!"
by RedsMasochist on Apr 26, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And let's not forget
You can do anything at Zombo.com. Anything at all.
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I couldn't get over to zombo.com fast enough
and boy was it worth it. Everyone give this site a try.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It's that hot new rookie
Darnell McDonald!
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is that a sex thing?
good for you buddy!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 27, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Not if it's a sex thing with Darnell McDonald
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
by andromache on Apr 27, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sea Bass
OPSing .887 for the Jays.
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These McDufas and Sea Bass sightings show how pathetic the Red's coach really are,
Potential doesn't win games.
Gregg Zaun caught the Mackey Sasser tonight
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
And some dude is throwing a no hitter for the Royals
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
And I'm the only one here, apparently
(takes off pants, cracks open a beer, lights a smoke)
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
This is madness.....
THIS IS SPAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAA
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by jch24 on Apr 26, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That girl has a future in conquering.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
obviously
You just told her, “Shut up woman, get on my horse.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
sweet lemonade, sweet sweet lemonade.....
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Heisey and Sutton turning it around?
Heisey homered tonight, and Sutton is 2 for 4 with a triple.
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she said "defense"
not “rye bread”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 26, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well shit
Would you settle for a double?
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
dunno
I’m only following along on Gameday.
Maybe I’ll see him play on Wednesday. Chapman faces the SWB Yankees (unless it keeps raining – boo!)
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I don't see this no no happening
Davies is at 100 pitches in the 6th.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Or did they get a hit already? Just noticed two men are on base
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
also
to answer your Gatti question from this weekend.
google Gatti/Ward….absolutely the best boxing trilogy in history.
"then skip it"....
Today is Monday, that was the weekend before last
You have absolutely no frame of reference regarding time right now do you? Take a day off, man!
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
only three more right?
I don’t wanna have to scour downtown Latonia’s barber shops looking for you.
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weird week
might have some interesting career news after Wednesday.
last promotion came at Milford’s Expressway park and there’s a rumor it might happen again this week in a bowling alley.
good lord…
"then skip it"....
not on the westside
We did Western Bowl last year. Homegirl got mad, mad, mad props that day. Only reason I remember is because your last name was verbalized several times.
i have no idea which alley its at…im lucky i know what day i have to be there!
"then skip it"....
The Sawx lead the Blew (just for you Mads) Jays 13-9
In the SIXTH?
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
crap, I totally forgot about the playoffs
Why the hell am I watching BBTN?
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Ohio Bobcat Jr Guard Armon Bassett
declared for the NBA draft.
fucktard.
at least he hasnt retained an agent….so lets hope the kid returns to Athens for his senior season.
"then skip it"....
more like europe
he doesn’t have the grades to come back and apparently isn’t welcome by the coaching staff.
i told you this weeks ago
Athens is in Europe.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
by andromache on Apr 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think we have a definitive answer
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Jameer Nelson has 26 points? FTH?
Who the hell does Charlotte have NOT guarding him?
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Charlotte fans are stupid
Are they really booing JJ Redick because he played at Duke? Or did I mis something?
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speaks for itself, methinks.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 26, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
fat white guy punking rich duke student, comedy
by Eastwindquinn on Apr 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone hates Duke.
Little known fact, Duke was originally spelled with a “CH” rather than a “K”, but they had to change it because it was too close to the truth.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 26, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at that game
The Bobcats effing blow.
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
Daedalus says The National are fucking awesome
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by jch24 on Apr 26, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
oh, THAT National
I like that one.
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they look pretty good right now
but they stole our day uniforms! That annoys me. The Reds get to wear pure red and white!
They're good. They're better than the Reds.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 26, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The pitching staff is much improved, and the defense behind them is good too
Pudge Rodriguez has actually been a big help, and Tyler Clippard and Matt Capps are what Nick Massett and Francisco Cordero were last year. Ryan Zimmerman has officially made the leap to “best third baseman in the NL,” and even though he’s missed a lot of games, the Nats have been holding their own. Their defense is quite good, and the overall team speed is high. Their bench has been pretty good.
They’ll only be getting better, too. They’ll call up Strasburg around June, and Adam Dunn hasn’t hit much yet. He’s bound to break out soon.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 26, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that sounds like a good combination
Dunn will breakiout and hit about 40 homeruns. Their prospects sound a bit better than our’s at the moment
I'm glad Tyler Clippard is doing well
He was quite the hot prospect in his misspent youth. No one expected “the Yankee Clippard” would ever be traded.
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Colby Rasmus has 6 HR
and i have no idea who is the Reds leader or how many he has…
"then skip it"....
END is the Reds leader in ROAR this season
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But luckily for Orlando, Pietrus (or however you spell it) can
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Former Xavier early draft entrant Derrick Brown has a trillion going right now
1 minute played, zeroes across the board
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Thanks Slyde
I was hoping you would take my pedestrian work a step further. This is quality stuff. Well it was until JCH came and ruined the thread.
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
Should I call whine one one for you?
Or can you manage your cryabetes on your own?
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by jch24 on Apr 26, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
be careful
I provided more original content™ for RR in the last 4 days, than you have in your entire time as a mod!
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a good run back in the day
With the travel guide thingy.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Rec'd for cryabetes
And the mental image of tears streaming into Wilford Brimley’s mustache.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hawks-Bucks game is just as uninspiring as the Magic-Bobcats
Blazers-Suns come on soon though. And Rambo 2 is still on AMC.
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Possibly the second best
Of course, you can’t teach height. Take Oden instead!
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Kobe has a LOT more help
And I don’t think it will be arguable within 18 months.
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When I hear that Magic word
BOBCAT
I always think of their ‘hottie’ Cheermatrons
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Potential doesn't win games.
she's the one with all of her teeth...
by Daedalus on Apr 27, 2010 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OU cheerleaders always have a little pudge....
It’s from the beer.
by Eastwindquinn on Apr 27, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are the Brewers already playing the Pirates again?
That is not making our climb out of the basement of the division any easier. We did get swept by the Pirates though so maybe I should be gald we aren’t playing them.
/with looks like this, how could he?
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
I thnk Rolen is pretty nice looking actually
he is not traditionally handsome like Bruce and Votto, but he decent looking, tall and well built. He’s actually taller in person than I thought he’d be—I sat in the third base line seats late last year and I was looking at the back of Rolen all night. The guy is towering (not like Ondrusek obviously)
In short, Socttie Rolen is tigrmetrically sound lol
Poodle was only looking at his backside
Potential doesn't win games.
by Madville on Apr 27, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was struck by how big he is too
First time I saw him in person, I was surprised. He’s a healthy-sized mammal.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Jayson Werth
may be available. Bobby V. was on ESPN yesterday, saying that after signing Ryan Thomas to that big deal, there won’t be any money left for Werth.
Our new left fielder?
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I'm not a fan of Werth
But if he were a Reds I’d learn to love him.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
I feel the same
I always want that guy to get beaned (he hit a grand slam off of Paul Janish!) but he might really help us out. He would probably really like hitting in GABP
why did I say "Ryan Thomas"?
I meant Ryan Howard, of course.
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here is an article form MLB.com
I’m sure the Phillies want to keep him, but they are going to be struggling to find money. (not that we won’t, but if we get rid of Harang or Arroyo, we might just have enough money to do something)
Then our offense would no longer be Werth-less!
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
this definitely deserves to be green
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Rec'n so
But I’m not sold on him. He seems more of the complementary type than the kinda guy you build on offense around.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
But you wouldn't be building around him
You’d have Votto, Bruce (fingers crossed), Rolen, and BP. The only one one that list currently better than Werth is Votto.
I’d take him for sure, but he’s going to demand way more than the Reds can afford. Think somewhere between Holliday and Bay money
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I think he would demand money like that
but I think he would really boost the offense. In GABP, Werth would really increase our homerun numbers and his defense isn’t that bad.
He looks particularly Stiles-esque in this photo.
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he does!
maybe they are related. However, I think Stiles also looks liek Mickey Dolenz
Maybe that means Rolen does too
Ron Jeremy HATES drive and kick threes
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
I like Brandon Roy
And Phoenix is getting RUN.
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Andre Miller shoots a set shot
Also, good to see Portland learned a lesson from the Jermaine O’Neal experience and kept LaMarcus Aldridge around,
Portland might score 40 points in the first quarter, damn.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Okay, I'm going to bed
Love you all dearly and all that nonsense.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
The Pirates have a run differential of -82 nineteen games into the season.
That has to be the all time record. So glad we could give them 3 of their wins.
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
It is tied for the all time record with the 1988 Baltimore Orioles
The same Orioles who started the season 0-21.
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Mads, you missed your chance
You could have bought them and shut them down.
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In other news from the fishwrap
The Creation Museum averages 330,000 visitors a year. The Underground Railroad Freedom Center averages 176,000 visitors per year. Discuss amongst yourself.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
It has a shorter name. People like simple things... and people hate civil rights.
Or something.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
you started it
in other news, 70% of Arizonans are perfectly content to rip up the Constitution of the United States of America.
I'm just stunned that the Creation Museum draws TWICE as many people
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
It doesn't help that so few people understand what the Constitution actually says.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
hey now. I have a good understanding.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Apr 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
solid gold!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i have that shirt!
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Apr 27, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
A member of the Maryland House of Delegates
is proudly proclaiming that he will introduce a similar bill next session. When are these old people gonna just die already?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
I didn't believe you, so I found the source. Turns out this is true.
And to add insult to injury, the Creation Museum costs like a bazillion dollars per person, while the Freedom Center is cheaper than a first-run movie. Ugh, great. Now i have high blood pressure for the day.
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that's the part I forgot to add
The Creation Museum costs twice as much, too.
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
I wonder if they’re open on Sundays. With those numbers there must be people traveling just to go there.
I can ask, one of my very best friends works there :)
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No way!
12 is two 6’s. So, they’re kinda open 6 plus 6 to 6.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Apr 27, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Or, 6 PM is 1800 hours.
so it’s from 12 to 18, and 12*18 =216 = 6*6*6
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the losing.
by andromache on Apr 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That could account for some of the difference, though probably not all.
The Freedom Center’s only open Tuesday-Saturday. They opened on Sundays for a few months the year I worked there, and right now they’re open on Mondays, but that’s just a short-term thing.
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't find the source, so this should be taken with a grain of salt.
But back when I worked at the NURFC, I remember hearing a statistic that said we drew more out-of-town visitors to Cincinnati than any other local attraction. I know for sure that visitors have come from all 50 states and from dozens of other countries over the last six years.
It’s telling that, by contrast, the 1 millionth visitor to the Creation Museum was from the far-off land of Dayton, Ohio.
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
but isn't Dayton still full of Cro-magnons?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 27, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Creation Museum likes to spout off some number
Something like 67% of the country lives within an 8 hour drive of the Creation Museum. Thus it’s ideally situated to attract visitors.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
What are they, a half hour drive from downtown Cincinnati?
So the same could be said of the Reds, no? Why the low attendance numbers, then? It’s time for a reckoning, Reds marketing department!
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
tl;dd
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by jch24 on Apr 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't get too snooty and elitist there, Missouri.
You live near the Elvis is Alive! Museum.
by the finest muffins on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There's a rumor afloat that Elvis isgoing to 're-appear' at the Creation Museum
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