Edinson Volquez suspended 50 games for PED use
Possibly breaking news via Jon Heyman.
Updates: Heyman verifies in a brief writeup on SI.com. There's also an MLB press release now.
The New York Times says it's not steroids, but some other PED. And the press release says he starts serving the suspension tomorrow, with USA Today estimating his lost salary at around $140,000.
From 700WLW: Volquez statement: Dominican doctor prescribed medication to help me and my wife start a family. Those meds were also an MLB-banned drug
about 2 years ago
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I thought it would be Arroyo
when I first saw the rumors about an NL pitcher.
My question is can he serve the suspension while on the DL? Or does it kick in after his activated? Pretty much write him off for this season, I guess.
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If I would’ve known it was someone from the Reds I, too, would’ve definitely thought it was Arroyo. Ironic that despite Arroyo’s cocky attitude in regard to PED he still hasn’t tested positive.
I’m assuming he has to wait until after he comes of the DL, just like Cliff Lee was going to have to serve his 5-game suspension after he came off the DL.
This is a blessing in disguise
Now the Reds won’t rush Volquez back into the rotation and he won’t try to return to quickly from TJ surgery.
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by cesarhernandez on Apr 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably so
They’ve already been making plans to live without him, since his return was never guaranteed. I’d think the suspension would be pretty easy to game by just activating him a little ahead of schedule and if it pushes him past when he would have started pitching, it’s probably for the best.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't change anything
they weren’t going to consider using volquez in June anyway. It does screw Edinson out of pay.
When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.
by justin007000 on Apr 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I may be reading the SI article too carefully but...
it states that it takes effect the 21st which would imply the 50 games will be served while he is on the DL. The tone of the article mentioning that he wouldn’t be back until the All Star Break sort of implies that as well, though I could be competely worng.
Insult, meet injury.
Ow ow ow ow.
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this is fantastic news!
the steroid issue was always yankees, red sox, yankees, red sox. We’re really starting to make national headlines this year!
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If ya ain't cheating
Ya ain’t trying….:)
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by cesarhernandez on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere Travis Wood is smiling through his glove
I guess we’ll know more soon, but this is a shocker. I’m guessing he’s using to speed up the recovery process.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
No matter how you slice this ...
if he is using PEDs, his overall talent comes into question.
Without PEDs, what’s this guy’s real ceiling?
lefties tend to have looping swings for some reason, no idea why -- jch
true
so the real question is, How do we keep him on PEDs without getting caught?
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I'd say its pretty obvious
he was just using to recover from Tommy John. Clear sign is how far advanced he was in recovery time.
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Were people saying that he was recovering quickly?
I hadn’t seen anything suggesting that, but maybe I missed it.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
here
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/mlb/Edinson_Volquez/897818
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Ed Price from AOL Fanhouse says
Apparently, Edinson Volquez can serve his 50-game susp. while on DL. So it may cost him only 50 games pay, and the #Reds nothing.
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yes, can we just suspend every player who gets hurt?
we’d save more money than if we switched to geico!
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd like to have been able...
To suspend some players who were healthy, like Royce Clayton and Corey Patterson.
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by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Willy Taveras would be another good one.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Willy Taveras… good one?
For me to poop on!
by RedsMasochist on Apr 20, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He continues that
here, saying:
Barring rainouts, looks like E.Volquez is eligible to play for #Reds on June 15. But he wasn’t expected back from elbow surgery till July.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I actually think this is pretty good news
Assuming Volquez was only using the PEDs for recovery purposes. The Reds save money (at least the portion of salary they were paying apart from the insurance) and it in no way effects when Volquez returns. Since they’ve already planned the season without him, it amounts to a savings in salary and whatever recovery benefits Volquez gained before he was caught (assuming there aren’t long-term side effects).
The assumption of PED use strictly for recovery is a big one, but I think it’s reasonable. It would preserve the integrity of his numbers in ’08, perhaps positively affecting the speed of recovery.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
Everybody wins!
Especially the insurance companies! Which is good, they’ve had a rough few months.
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If Miguel Tejada didn't get deported
I don’t see how Volquez would.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Just sayin'
I can find the negative in anything!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brace yourself for the wave of sanctimony
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
havent seen it yet
everyone here seems to be pretty happy about it
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Not on this site
I meant in the MSM
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
P Doc is sharpening his dunderhead pen as we speak.
Expect this to be woven into a tapestry of W/L as a valuable stat and somehow clubhouse couches caused all the problems
Awww c'mon, he wouldn't blame the couches, would he? :)
"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."
"There was like, a needle or something, that fell in between the couch cushions when Manny Ramirez was in town, and I know it’s weird that he was in our clubhouse but whatever, and I kept sitting on that couch with my bare ass every day and I guess it just kept injecting something into me unbeknownst unto myself and whatnot. It felt like it was pricking the skin on my bare ass but I just assumed it was the down feathers. Anyway, honest mistake."
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You can't blame the couches
It just isn’t fair.
lefties tend to have looping swings for some reason, no idea why -- jch
Dusty obviously was the "Dominican Doctor" in question.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Mi esposa no está nunca se quede y no obtuve faisán para mí!
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I'm not sure how they pro-rate all this
but I think the Reds save no more than about $60,000 (50 calendar days of pay) – possibly much less depending on how the insurance is structured.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I missed low on that
(see below), but $60,000 seems like more reasonable estimate, given insurance.
I don’t actually know how many paid days per year players have, so I don’t know what 50 days are worth.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wrote that horribly but you know what I mean
"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000
Probably so
I just don’t know for sure how many paid days there are. 162 seems logical.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Edinson isn't exactly a millionaire
He is making close to minimum, so it really isn’t that much money saved by the Reds, and he might actually miss this money.
When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.
by justin007000 on Apr 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
$445K ain't a bad living
Especially when you don’t pay for food and travel.
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Do MLB players get paid in the offseason?
Or do they only receive checks during the season?
If so, it might be hard to make money last in the offseason, especially if you’re not good at budgeting money and planning.
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 21, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If they can't make over 250K last into the offseason, they need a lot of help.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I think the standard is in-season only, hence agents and money managers
But I’m sure you could write it into the contract to have it spread out year round. But why let the team get the interest on all that loot during the off season?
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Pretty ludicrous that Harang's name was being thrown around
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, i never would have guessed PEDs could work against a guy that badly.
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by GrooveLeg on Apr 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
zing!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe we're 40 comments deep
and nobody’s blamed Dusty!
I mean, it’s obvious he’s trying to end his reputation as Conan the Destroyer of young arms by giving them PED’s to overcome it.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
dusty couldnt have thought of something this brilliant
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Dusty thinks toothpicks and wristbands are performance enhancers
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
USA Today runs the numbers:
MLB’s statement said Volquez will begin serving his suspension tomorrow, which would seem to indicate he will be docked 50 games of pay, but his suspension would be concluded by the time he’s healthy enough to pitch. Volquez will make $445,000 this season, so the suspension will cost him roughly $137,950.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
What's that USA Today link?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and according to the
Volquez did not test positive for a steroid but another performance-enhancing substance, according to a person briefed on the matter.
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oh, thank god!
that’s so much better.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Knight
I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Apr 20, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a meth head. Not a crack head.
You can tell by the slacked jaw and goofy, backwoods appearance.
“Hey, ma! I can call my house from here!”
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's an alcoholic ... not a crackhead.
Come on, RR, know your drug addicts!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but you should know what you're dealing with.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a quick one young padawan.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he's more of an ecstasy guy.
The little guy rolls like no one else.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He would be right, in that instance, but I never played for the Reds.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like we're twins!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So..
we just traded one drug problem for another
by snailbiscuit on Apr 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Nope
we also got Danny Ray Herrera.
BTW, Jay Bruce has a higher OPS over the last 2 seasons than Josh Hamilton. Just sayin’
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Pfft, 2 or 3 Captain & Diets and we're holding you back from running onto the field.
Shenanigans!
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"BUT I WANNA GO GIVE JAY A HUG!"
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by BK on Apr 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but Hamilton played CF
Pretty sure he almost doubles the OPS of Corey & Taveras
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not really what I was saying
more that if Bruce is a disappointment, what’s that make Hamilton?
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by BK on Apr 20, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well, technically it's Ron Washington's fault
he should know better than to bat a CF 3rd.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yayahhh!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if he's gonna bat him third he should move him to first base
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But does anybody have any photos of Edinson doing body shots
off of women in a bar?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Are we sure the PED was taken while he was injured or is that speculation?
I wouldn’t doubt it was a positive test from before the injury because of MLB’s policy of secrecy and the length of internal review and appeals.
by Brian B on Apr 20, 2010 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reports are that the positive test
occurred during Spring Training.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I read somewhere that he tested positive during spring
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I heard it was pre-spring training
Word is the positive drug test was the talk of Fantasy Camp.
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by Ewok on Apr 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I heard it was during Spring Training.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
oh lord
nobody tell Dwight Gooden!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Hitler's birthday?
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by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Apr 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From Big League Stew
Tweet: Source tells @TBrownYahoo that Volquez will claim he didn’t take substance as a mean to shorten recovery time.
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That is one creepy SoB.
And his character in Lost Highway was pretty odd as well.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OK one of you "smart RRs"
is there a precedent for how these things affect future arbitration hearings? I mean, regarding service time I’m sure it will, but has this sort of thing been factored in to contract negotiations yet?
I’m having a hard time thinking of another pre-arb player with the success under his belt of Volquez who’s been subject to a suspension.
Did the Reds just save some flow in their offseason spending?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think so
since it is an MLB suspension, I’m guessing he’s earning MLB service time. The MLBPA would have a fit otherwise, I think.
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I don’t think you get service time unless you are an active member of the 40 man roster.
by RampantRedsFan on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no, you get service time even if you are on the 60-day DL
and you don’t get service time if you are in the minors, even if you are on the 40-man roster.
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which is why Bray was on the 40 man roster last year
despite TJ.
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by justin007000 on Apr 20, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
this changes absolutely nothing, right? funny how things work out sometimes.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
it would give opposing fans something to chant at volquez
it would if any of those fans cared enough about the reds to taunt them anyway.
It changes something if he was using during '08
If his numbers were inflated then AND he’s post-TJ surgery, we could have a middle reliever on our hands.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
im not so sure PEDs inflate numbers in the way you suspect
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.
Sounds like something else was inflated.
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by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Member, I mean
I meant “member.”
They probably don’t help him much in having a good changeup, no.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
or our next closer
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
WLW Tweet
Volquez statement: Dominican doctor prescribed medication to help me and my wife start a family. Those meds were also an MLB-banned drug
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in more than one way, amirite?
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by jch24 on Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I paid good money
to force mine to be that’away.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 20, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
atleast
it wasnt for “ED” like Man-Ram claimed last year. He just needed to beef up the baby batter!
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Manny
was caught taking a fertility drug usually given to women. Someone should tell Volquez that it’s his WIFE who was supposed to take that stuff, if the idea is to start a family.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Like shriveled testicles from prior steroid use?
Oh noes!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
That or just crappy testes.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ha!!
it’s always the wife’s fault…right, Roger Clemens??
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
As do the Giles boys.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
congratulations on your green
i know how important it is to you!
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How do you not check that?
Seriously? The list of banned substances is a mile long. I’d check it before taking tylenol if I was an athlete.
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How did they discover this?
Did he have an erection lasting longer than four hours?
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by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nope
but he WANTED one.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No wonder he is such a
good bunter
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by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Apr 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
A masterbunter, actually.
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by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
that's talent, folks.
rec’d
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why the team should have hired jch as fertility coach
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by BK on Apr 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
"How's your wife and my kids?"
"There is no such thing as an innocent Gatorade cooler."
by Ash on Apr 20, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wasn't it the same with Manny?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he tested positive for one
but he’d claimed he never did anything? Does that sound right?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny used the fertility drug to mask another drug
and never claimed otherwise. Edinson is apparently claiming that whatever he was prescribed was given to him to try to have children.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Manny tested positive for a FEMALE fertility drug
The drug Manny tested positive for is used to restart the body’s own testosterone production after coming off a round of steroids.
by RedsMasochist on Apr 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, that's right
i was on day 2 of a Charleston bachelor party when I saw it all on ESPN last year.
not exactly a good “memory day.”
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny tested positive for human chorionic gonadotropin
It is also used as a male fertility drug.
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what?
he was just trying to work on edinson’s poking stick.
by 'tHan on Apr 20, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I don't get it.
What, me? Being negative? No. Never.
by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
His dick,
he’s talking about his dick!
I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Apr 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
where's the Bernstein Bears picture when we need it?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Apr 20, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t these players just cut the crap and say it how it is: THEY TAKE STEROIDS TO BECOME BETTER! You already got caught, just admit it.
The only way he can slant this into helping him to start a family is by saying that his wife was more turned on to him once he got beefed up on steroids
That doesn't make much sense.
I guess it would make sense if the only drugs on the list were steroids, but yeah…that’s not true.
Given that he didn’t take steroids, it probably wouldn’t be very helpful to admit that he took steroids to become better.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You’re correct, I should have written “PEDs” instead of “STEROIDS.” I’m just sick of all these players that can’t even fess up to what they were doing even after they’ve already been caught.
well, I imagine some of it has to do with the outcry that invariably happens when they do admit it
maybe some players don’t want to deal with that?
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That addresses part of my point
but the list does in fact cover plenty of drugs that would only have dubious performance-enhancing effects. Like, say, LSD. Given that we don’t know which drug he took, it’s kind of hard to know that he definitely took it to improve his performance.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Well, despite not knowing which specific banned drug he took, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and venture to say that whatever he took he took it with the intent of improving his performance in some way.
And that's your claim.
He’s claiming otherwise. So far I’m aware of as much evidence that backs his claim as you’ve presented in favor of yours—i.e., none.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Well, he's saying something very different.
You could just say you don’t believe Edinson’s story. That seems perfectly reasonable. But absent any evidence, you can’t disprove his story.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
That's the list of all banned substances
We’re being told he took a PED, which at least nominally is “performance enhancing.” Maybe the effects are negligible – or it was used for an innocuous purpose. But the players have lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to explanations. Volquez is an unfortunate casualty of this.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think we're quite on the same side
though I agree that on a global level, it’s a good bet any player suspected of taking a PED probably took something thinking they’d get an edge. That fact just seems to keep bearing itself out.
No one knows what he tested positive for, so this discussion is pretty futile. I’m not a chemist, but chances are if it wasn’t some crazy BALCO steroid, it probably didn’t give him much advantage, especially since he hasn’t played since last June. BUt maybe there’s some crazy non-steroid PED that speeds recovery time considerably.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
From your first response:
Volquez is an unfortunate casualty of this.
it seems that you’re giving Volquez the benefit of the doubt, so we do differ there, but I agreed with what you said just before that:
the players have lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to explanations.
I guess I wasn’t very clear in what I was trying to say. :)
It's the whole dissosance between the aggregate vs. individual level
Any one player could certainly be totally innocent, so in that sense they’re innocent until evidence is presented to do them in. But on the aggregate level, the players have very little credibility. Everyone is suspect and anyone suspected seems to end up a user in fact.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I always trust someone named Jesse S. on the subject of performance enhancers
by Brendanukkah on Apr 20, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LSD is "dubiously" performance enhancing?
Dock Ellis would like a word with you.
(or, i mean, he would if her were still alive…)
It's really too perfect that his name
is “Ellis, D.”
That probably isn’t a coincidence. This whole thing is a conspiracy involving Tri-Lateral Commission, Mayor McCheese and the 1891 Brooklyn Bridegrooms.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
While we're on the subject
This is a really great short: an animated recounting of Dock’s altered-state no-no.
Saw it
yeah that is great. Tempting to link it weekly somewhere in the reposter.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
it was in a fanshot once
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dont forget
the reverse vampires, the saucer people, and the RAND corporation.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll update my AppleWorks document
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe he just meant
that his wife wouldnt have sex with him until he recovered from his injury
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I posted this on twitter, thought I'd repost here:
There are lots of common male fertility drugs on MLB banned list: hCG, LH, FSH (probly), Clomiphene, Tamoxifen. http://is.gd/bB558
Most are of these drugs are either gonadotropins themselves (LH & FSH stimulate sperm production by stimulating testosterone production and increasing the ability of the testes to respond to testosterone), or they act to remove factors that could otherwise inhibit sperm production. Sperm production, of course, is tied to testosterone production. And the classic anabolic steroids are, of course, testosterone and its derivatives.
So, the story checks out. Volquez should have known better, though. The banned drug list is posted in every major league clubhouse, and there is a major eduction program in place to remind players to check the banned list before putting ANYTHING into their bodies.
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Yep, that's what I was getting at with my posts above.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Volquez's story seems plausible
but it certainly hasn’t “checked out” yet, in the sense that it’s true to his actual application of whatever drug he took. The rules are blind to intent, but given the fact that male fertility drugs can be used as part of a PED regime, the jury is out.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 20, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, agreed
My point is just that there’s a very legit (if foolish on his part) explanation here that is consistent with the data. The only people who really know are Volquez and his wife. And that’s probably how things will stay. As a fan, I prefer to believe him until I see evidence to the contrary. But I’ve got no reason to do so beyond fandom. -j
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And no TWSS posts yet? On a topic so ripe for it. Is RR growing up?
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I love how unsanctimonious this entire thread is
mostly because the Reds lose nothing, I guess
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Sanctimony just 'aint funny.
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by Pops Daniels on Apr 20, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the guy who's not batting over .250!!
GET HIM!
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