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P-Doc Hearts Slyde for Validating His Condescension

Paul Daugherty is yet again firing shots across the bow of any and all who have a problem with the way Dusty Baker manages. He begins with his usual "You're stupid for thinking I'm stupid" bit, but what's this?

Joel Luckhaupt is a baseball researcher. He deals in inside-baseball stuff that bores me to jeers. No disrespect intended. Luckhaupt suggests Baker's lineups aren't terrible, exactly. "I don't think he uses the least optimal lineups," Luckhaupt said. "Batting the pitcher first or second would be much worse."

 

Is it our very own Slyde he enlists to his aid? In a riveting dialog exchange that I'm sure was not at all cherry-picked contextually, we are shown that line-ups mean nothing. Say it aint so. First the book, now Daugherty. What's next for Slyder? White shoes after Labor Day?

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shoulda flipped him off slyde

then issued a “I’m sorry if anyone was offended” blanket apology.

by riverfront76 on Apr 14, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

but I'm not sorry

they’re just middle fingers. Everybody has them.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except for captured archers, way back in the day, who had them cut off

Then people could flip their middle fingers (on in the British case, middle and index fingers) and those poor sons of bitches couldn’t return the gesture.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Jay bruce has two and has to apologize for showing them

and Marty thinks that’s huge, as do Sheldon and Fay. I am REALLY glad i’m not a beat writer

by timb116 on Apr 14, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

this place must have cost you hundreds.

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by bbjones on Apr 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know whether to congratulate or berate you, Slyder

I guess I’ll go with congrats.

But what’s so ridiculous about that piece is that Doc doesn’t disregard the fact that lineup construction might make 2-3 wins difference. Instead, he condescends with

All those fans, geeks and radio guys, ranting and stroking out over two or three wins?

You know, Paul, when your team hasn’t had a winning season in a decade, 2-3 wins kinda matters. Also, teams spend millions and make countless roster moves in search of 2-3 more wins. You’re telling me something as simple as playing the right guys so you can get those wins doesn’t matter at all?

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Apr 14, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

If the Reds were winning, and thus relevant,

assclowns like P-Doc would have to actually know shit as opposed to espousing the same reactionary opinions just because they can. It’s almost in Daugherty’s interest for us to be the same 78-84 Reds.

We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.

by chesirecat on Apr 14, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, if they won...

how could he make any money ranting against them? i mean, isn’t that what he does best?

by Daedalus on Apr 18, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

see, that's the easy thing about being an idiot like Doc

if they lose, you can blame it on a lack of “X”, where “X” is something completely arbitrary like leadership. if they win, you can hang it on a renewed focus on “X”, where “X” is something completely arbitrary like veteranness. easiest job in the world.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 18, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know if they had more leadership they would win

Scott Rolen isn’t enough. LETS GIVE STORMY A CALL!

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, acting like 2 or 3 wins (without changing personnel, mind you) means nothing is dumb

but I didn’t expect him to act like it was. He already knew what he was going to write before I talked to him.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that double negative cleared things up. :)

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a triple negative

Which wouldn’t not be less better.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Snake fail.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oroboros!

"Water, fire, air and dirt. Fuckin' magnets.. How do they work?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NICE!

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Apr 23, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll just leave this here

Sound familiar?

Baseball’s cerebral side involves numbers. While I believe in baseball-card wisdom – you are who the back of your card says you are – it’s just a little piece of the whole. When some of us (OK, me mostly) advocated dealing, say, Votto and Homer Bailey for Oakland pitcher Joe Blanton, the Statboys came out flame-throwing numbers:

Blanton’s a creation of his spacious home ballpark! Look at his ERA, home and away! Blanton’s a flyball pitcher! Check out his ratio of groundballs to flies!

If you shot back that Blanton has won 42 times in the last three years – and that he went 7-5 at home last year and 7-5 on the road – if you suggested that no number matters but Games Won, you were dismissed as an illiterate.

(Actually, maybe Blanton won as many on the road as at home, even with a much higher road ERA, because Oakland’s hitters worked under the same conditions as their pitcher. Allow more runs, score more runs. And factually, flyball man Blanton gave up only 16 home runs in 230 innings last year. But never mind.)

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

Refusing to read doesn’t make you illiterate, just willfully ignorant!

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 14, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seems a handful of extra wins was worth Joey Votto and Homer Bailey not so long ago

I wonder what changed his mind?

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The delicate wording of NAFTA

and that we’re required to have a Canadian and a Mexican in our organization

by Highlifeman21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

rec’d

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 15, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

All kidding aside,

I’m glad Daugherty at least had a conversation with Slyde. That’s more than he would have done a couple of years ago. At least he’s sort of willing to listen. He’s coming along at a snail’s pace.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I sent this email to Erardi right after I got off the phone with Daugherty
Just got off the phone with Daugherty. He might be doing a piece on the Reds lineups and I’m certain he’s probably going to take my quotes out of context or spin them to make me look like I only read spreadsheets. I want to go on record now with you that he agreed with most of what I had to say, but I’m sure he’ll flip on me and make the statheads look bad.

Erardi’s response:

you’re screwed. ha.

I expected him to cherry pick my quotes, and actually he could have been a lot worse. One thing I wish he had said, that I mentioned several times, was that even if you don’t have a great lineup, it is still important to optimize the lineup and try to get the best edge possible. In fact, I tried to shape the words so that Doc would dig it. I said something like, “The Reds are in a market where they can’t buy a lot of talent, so they need to be optimal with how they use that talent.”

The thing is, we’re just talking about lineups. But if you optimize your lineups, optimize your game strategy, optimize your pitcher usage, you could be talking about 5+ wins improvement. With a little luck, we may be looking at a team that is 10 wins better.

Generally, lineup discussions are pointless. However, it takes several stones to build a winning house, and this is one of those stones. It’s not that better lineups will suddenly make them a winner. It’s that better lineups will get you closer to your goal, and you don’t even have to change personnel.

As for your point about Doc having the conversation, he seemed genuinely interested in the ideas. Obviously he approached me for the discussion, which as you said, is a step in the right direction.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

His overall point of Nix playing twice in a week hardly seems wrong

It’s a long season and people are gonna get AB’s (except, I’m told, Paul Janish). Instead a Sunday in June, however, it’s April so Cincinnati is still somewhat paying attention

by timb116 on Apr 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't he have this conversation with Slyde on the radio a few years ago?

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm completely baffled by a guy who spends hours every day

reporting on baseball, but derides someone else who “deals in inside-baseball stuff.”

Not to mention that he buries the two to three wins at the bottom of the piece, after leading with claims that the actual effects are zero.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 14, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Technically, he says the affect is zero for one game

Which I don’t think anyone here necessarily disagreed with. The problem wasn’t starting Nix over Dickerson in that one game, it was what the decision potentially foreshadows for the entire season.

Erardi should’ve at least mentioned Baker leading off guys like Taveras or Patterson in the past. Cabrera’s not the best candidate for the 2 hole, but that’s a much milder transgression compared to the other two.

by ken on Apr 14, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Daugherty, FWIW

Erardi would have mentioned past mistakes. In fact, Doc and I talked at length about the problem with Baker’s CF-SS lead-off mentality. And he agreed with every word I said.

As you can clearly tell from the article.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I meant Doc there

Who is very clearly an evil genius, on the level of Shortstop.

by ken on Apr 14, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's kinda scummy

i wonder how many sources he’s soured with that kind of misrepresentation.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And don't even get me started on passive voice....

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The effect isn't zero.

It isn’t huge, but it’s still nonzero.

I get really tired of the argument that because an improvement wouldn’t transform a losing team into a winning team, it’s not worth discussing. There are, after all, very few changes you could make to this team that would generate more than two or three wins. This one wouldn’t even require any money.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Apr 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's rather like Paul's arguing that

since rain comes in such tiny little drops, that if you go outside in the rain, you won’t ever get wet.

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

What's not worth it and he's right about this

is that a manager’s job is much more than putting a line-up together. I wouldn’t let, for instance, Joe Torre manage one of my “what-if-sports” franchises because of his lack of strategy, of bullpen use, and love for only old dudes, yet he could manage a real baseball team any time. He knows how to get guys playing together and understanding their roles. he does what a manager is supposed to do.

Bobby Cox is another awesome example of the type.

by timb116 on Apr 14, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should Dusty be fired simply because of his lineups? No.

Does that mean his lineups aren’t optimized? I think you know that answer.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you know I agree with you

I just thing the other folks are getting a little excited over using the estimate of 2-3 wins (a number gleaned by number crunching through decades of history) to thinkg it’s a guarantee of 2-3 winds for this Red’s team.

Barring the surprise signing of Taveras or C-Pat tomorrow, I think his narrow point is right, but his broader point is not.

by timb116 on Apr 14, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people are upset at Doc acting as if 2-3 wins is unimportant

it’s not. The discussion I had with Doc was more general than “how many wins can the Reds best lineup add?” He wanted to know, in general, how much do lineups affect success. I told him 2 to 3 wins. He said, “well then, we can ignore that!”

I don’t think anyone disagrees that the main issue with this team is talent. Where the disagreement comes in is whether or not the talent that is here is being used effectively.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't less than 2-3 wins end our 1999 season?

And didn’t 2-3 wins cost Harang a Cy Young a few years back?

PD = fucktard

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

we also lost by 3.5 games in 2006

two games with a better manager and two games somewhere else could have made a difference. although with narron, it could have been more than two or three wins…

by Daedalus on Apr 18, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

P-Doc and tHom:

constantly making every effort to appear stupider than they are in a misguided effort to appeal to “Joe Reds Fan”.

What a tired, banal schtick.

He fixes the cable?

by Colin Auscapee on Apr 14, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Thinking back on it

I’ve been through several levels of education and not once did I attend a public school. Not even daycare.

/polishes monocle

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've only been to public schools

yet you already know we’re on the same wavelength, ’nukkah.

He fixes the cable?

by Colin Auscapee on Apr 14, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

says the guy with a gored matador for an avatar

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Apr 14, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two people, actually

Wanna know who? It’ll cost ya…..

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 18, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the fact that when I click on 'nukkah'sd recs it tends to break SBN the first time

There’s just too much info for the system to handle.

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

she could just check every member of RR's comment history

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where in there does it show recs?

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll rec this post, and click my screen name

you will see “recommended: Where in there does it show recs?”

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, okay

Thanks for the free rec!

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i unreced

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

no gov't handouts here!

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

flag'd

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

double flag'd

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe i'll flag it.

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This works on so many levels

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, fun time

Who do you think rec’d it other than you? I’ll lay odds:

obc – 3/2
’tHan 2-1
jch – 3-1
Madville, BK, Justin – 5-1
Field – 25-1

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 18, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I forgot some

Gray, ’mache – 2-3
Varka – 1-5
Slyde – 50-1

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on

JCH should be like 1.5-1, you rec everything!

When you get back home to Syracuse you can rest your weary head, take some pills, sniff some cocaine, and put the baby to bed.

by justin007000 on Apr 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

fox news'ed

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

OBC?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and the other thing that irritates me about the article is just using major league OBP for Stubbs and Dickerson

my exact words were, “Stubbs and Dickerson both have shown some success getting on base in the minors, so I think they’d be good choices for the top of the order.”

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you going to e-mail him

and suggest that he leave some money on the top of the dresser for you?

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

come here, I'll hold you

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didnt Larry David

have a bit on “no disrespect intended” – that was the best part of the article.
I have the Reds talent level around 85-87 wins so 2-3 wins is a real big deal and plus these are wins that dont cost money just a little know how.
On the other hand- no lineup this year will be as bad as when Dusty put Gonzo/Taveras at the top for about 10-12 times last year. Or when he was managing the Cubs and he was running Neifi Perez in the 2 slot.
The Reds have most of their players that project around the league average offensively so I do think this is a hard team to do to much damage to with lineup construction.

by davidmac84 on Apr 14, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t think the Reds’ lineup has the 2-3 win difference. There’s not a lot of changes to make to the lineup to give them that much of a boost.

That being said, I’d still be optimizing as much as possible just to give them every shot in the world to be competitive.

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by Slyde on Apr 14, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked that he used your example of not batting the pitcher first as an illustration of Baker's not that bad

“Well, he’s not actively slashing his players’ achilles tendons as they walk up the dugout stairs, so he’s actually a pretty good guy. EVERYONE LAY OFF!”

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can bet good money

that when anyone says “no disrespect intended”, someone is about to get disrespected.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 14, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

no disrespect intended

but that’s a stupid thing to say. It makes no sense, only an idiot would think of it, and you must have no soul. Also, I’ve always hated you.

But no disrespect, k?

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Apr 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

None taken

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

P-Doc can blow me.

We are surrounded by mentally lazy folks who love the status quo even when it is not in their best interest…
Mads “Thank you Jesus for RR.”

Jesus" No prob. what’s a God for anyway?"

Potential doesn't win games.

by Madville on Apr 14, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

The part where he loses me is where he dismisses 2-3 wins

And thinks it’s ok for Laynce Nix to start baseball games. And kind of the part where he is also stuck in the 1980s.

by jsl413 on Apr 14, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

He probably listens to Simple Plan, too.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 14, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't like Simple Plan?

I figured they’d be right in your wheelhouse.

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not angsty anymore.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

Simple Plan is angsty? Maybe the movie is, a little.

Besides, don’t you guys know that crolfer is way more into nondescript 90s alterna-rock?

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Simple Plan anything BUT angsty?

Here are some lyrics that I put myself through hell to look up:

“And I can’t stand the pain
And I can’t make it go away”

“I’m sick of this life
I just wanna scream
How could this happen to me”

“You can’t save me
God must hate me now”

“Yesterday was the worst day ever
And tomorrow won’t be better”

“I’m just a kid and life is a nightmare
I’m just a kid, I know that its not fair
Nobody cares, cause I’m alone”

Shall I go on?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 14, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or whiny...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I think Simple Plan,

the theme to What’s New Scooby-Doo is the first thing I think of.

The opposite of angst.

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eve 6.

That’s where it’s at.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 15, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really liked "Inside Out" when I was in high school

it wasn’t until a month or so ago that i realized they had other songs after that.

Next thing I know, people are going to tell me that Harvey Danger is cool.

by 'tHan on Apr 15, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might be that one of their albums has a fly on it...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Apr 15, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of lineups, Pittsburgh has TLR'd their batting order this year

SS Ronny Cedeno has regularly been hitting 9th. Though he is pretty close to hitting like a pitcher as it is.

by ken on Apr 14, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

As I just posted on cincinnati.com

I’m sure the Tigers wish they’d had 2 or 3 more wins last year.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Apr 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I rec'd you over there.

But, as always, there are so few people there who seem to formulate anything resembling a coherent argument, I’m sure they’re likely to jump all over your comment.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul's article almost made me post a comment on his page

But then I remembered that arguing with a wall is counter-productive. Especially a wall with a Larry the Cable Guy poster on it.

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the way I feel about it too.

I’m not taking the bait this time. He puts the carrot on the string entirely too often during baseball season.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to be a pain in the ass:

While retarded, Doc’s piece is a COLUMN. Not an ARTICLE.

Carry on.

/journalism geek’d

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

a COLUMN....

just barely. What he writes are often nothing more than provocations.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

A column can be about anything, it's usually an opinion piece, but it doesn't have to be.

Dave Barry is one of the best column writers in the past 50 years and he rarely wrote about anything meaninful or injected any sort of opinion.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

I have a journalism degree.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

'Cause

My school didn’t offer a 200 level course called Folksy-Homespun Literature. I got stuck with their equivalent which was a combination of Into to Porn 400 and Internal Debate 220.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took both of those. I aced Porn 400 and dropped Debate 220

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

where the hell did you guys go to school?

my school never offered Porn as a writing class. it did however count as credit in both acting and PE.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I went to OSU ... and these were, um, part of my film minor

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The tests were hard (so to speak) in Porn 400

IIRC there were questions like:
1) When Peter North climaxes on Jenna Jameson in the third scene in Chitty-Chitty Gang Bang 2 he:
  a. begins to cry
  b. says “yeah, you know you like it”
  c. says “Uhhhhhhhhhh, yeah”
  d. calls her a “dirty whore”
  e. all of the above

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that just sounds like rote memorization.

Don’t they teach you any porn theory?

IAN! I'm on traain!

by andromache on Apr 14, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do.

They spend a lot of time T.T. Boy’s Double Penetration Method and Ron Jeremy’s revolutionary Hedgehog Interludes (has to do with rib removal).

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget that

Lord of the Cock Rings is a satirst take on pre-industrial Europe and that the characters Dildo Faggins and Sam Wiseitganggreen helped set the tone for the modern DP buddy films.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, T.T. Boy's neorealism stuff like

The 400 Blow (jobs) is highly underrated.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me

I bought John Woo’s epic “Red Cliff” last week, and one of the subtitles was something like, “I’m coming,” but spelled “cumming.” I cumb’d.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You were a master of the second, weren't you?

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Master Debater indeed.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of that ...

my favorite movie in Porn 400 was the German Expressionist tale of self-introspection and inner guilt: Dopplebanger

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Apr 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daugherty and anyone who reads and believes his column are best ignored.

I thought he was full of shit back when he was still with the Post. I was wrong. he had plenty of room for more stupid shit. It’s too early to complain about lineups, but not too early to state:

It’s already obvious that the Home Team will do no worse than 4th in the Central, by default.

Oh well, I guess there will always be a place in sports journalism for those who pander to the lowest common denominator.

by RedsMasochist on Apr 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

NASSS CAWWR!

/spits dip into cup

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Apr 14, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

My first roommate in DC

Was a bright guy, worked for a Congressman. But he loved NASCAR, and he enjoyed the dip. Kept his spit bottles all around the house.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were usually Pepsi bottles

I had to explain to my mom that those weren’t just a lot of half-finished Pepsis around the house.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 14, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to dip

And had two Pepsi bottles in the car, one I was drinking from and the other I had been using to spit in while driving. I got them confused once. Once.

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dipped while @ tOSU

After a flag football game, my roommate & I stopped @ Big Bear, and picked up some pop. I had my dip bottle (and it was damn near full, mind you) in between my legs while driving back to our apartment, and had my pop in the cupholder next to my roommate’s pop in the other cupholder. We were stopped @ a red light, and he was eye-fucking some coeds, so I switched my dip bottle with his pop.

Quite possibly the hardest I’ve ever been punched in the shoulder.

by Highlifeman21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

NASCAR is a great way to spend an afternoon.

If you hate seeing black people.

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, actually.

Baseball’s attendance and players might be more white than the general population, but a NASCAR event has ZERO black folks. That’s 0 for 30,000 some days.

And you are welcome to drape your confederate flag anywhere you’d like – you won’t be alone.

It doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. It's what Dusty thinks that matters, and he's a knucklehead.

by PeteyHendrix on Apr 14, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Pride not Prejudice!

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 14, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My trailer park sister and her brain dead daughter and daughter's loser husband go to every NASCAR race that they get to.

They deny the existence of Negroes.
Say its like the Holocaust…another made up thing by liberals.

Potential doesn't win games.

by Madville on Apr 14, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

So who are the whiners?

When PD complains about the lineup whining, is he talking about RR? I’m out of town, so I can’t listen to the banana phone, but I doubt there are a lot of people calling in complaining about the lineup.

If PD wrote an almost-column about general complaining that was really specific complaining largely or entirely on RR, then I’d say we get a WIN.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Apr 15, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he's talking about radio call-in types

He asked me if I listen to talk radio. I simply laughed and said, “No.”

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by Slyde on Apr 15, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling that this is the issue at the heart of PD's column (and others like it that pit 'old school' against 'new school').

He wants to have a relevant presence both on the talk radio airwaves and in the internet’s blogosphere so he picks a new wedge issue every few weeks and stubbornly pounds on it so that his talk radio audience can appreciate the blunt aggression of his arguments and he pounds on it so loudly that bloggers cannot really ignore him.

"Water, fire, air and dirt. Fuckin' magnets.. How do they work?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 15, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he doesn't have a radio show anymore

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Apr 15, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay.

Then why do we care so much about what he’s writing?

Yeah, he got some run on SI.com two weeks ago but SI.com is for people who can remember what they were doing when we landed on the moon, right?

Hey, grumpy old dudes, aren’t there some hungry worms somewhere that your useless corpse could be feeding?

"Water, fire, air and dirt. Fuckin' magnets.. How do they work?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he bothers us

because in many ways what he writes doesn’t seem that far from the organizations thought process.

I don’t really read PDoc anymore. When I was 12 I thought he was awesome, but than I grew up.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Apr 15, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

than will never grow up

"The Asian language is very different than ares." -- Justin007000

by jch24 on Apr 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

At one of my jobs...the radio is played all day long on WLW

Wow…all I can say is wow…the talk show ‘hosts’ on the big One are pretty scary… so many flat assertions, glossed over details and so much misinformation…
Now I see why they hired Brantley.
Wow…they might consider changing the call letters WOW

Potential doesn't win games.

by Madville on Apr 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I missed most of the action in this thread

but I wanted to say, I think P-doc is pretty much an idiot and it was pretty crappy to characterize Slyde’s comments in that way. I just hope the average reader can see that lineup construction is relevant and 2-3 wins a year could be the difference between a winning season and a losing one or a playoff appearance. More importantly, as a couple people noted in this thread already, people who pay to see the team expect the best possible product on the field and if they can make the on feild product a little better by a lineup change, that seems like not too much to ask.

Thanks to JCH for qouting that P-doc article from ‘08. He atcually wanted tto trade Votto! Where would the offense be without him? I didn’t realize P-Doc was that nuts. The article that came from also showed clearly what is wrong with Baker and Jaconby’s hitting philosoophy. It is not patient enough. P-doc doesn’t seem to like walks, but to me they are every bit as good as a base hit and puts a runner on (also wears the starting pithcer out). What is wrong with walks?

All that being said, at least the article showed that there is another point of view on the matter, even though he didn’t characterize it as well as he could have.

by Red_Poodle on Apr 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Two or three wins

If every case of improved strategy improves the odds of winning two or three games, it would seem to add up over a season. I can also say that in context of the two or three wins, it might depend on when you get them. The last game on the way out of town on a road trip can turn momentum.
Does momentum matter? I suppose Paul dismisses that as witches brew.
All in all, the issue of statistical difference is less important to me than the overall belief that the manager has the best plan in place.

lefties tend to have looping swings for some reason, no idea why -- jch

by johnu1 on Apr 19, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Momentum is akin to Clutch

As it is non-quantifiable is does not exist.

Potential doesn't win games.

by Madville on Apr 19, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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