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GABP question

I will be bringing a group of guys to the GABP for a weekend series later this summer. Having never been to the GABP I am wondering if all tickets sold allow one to wander around the main concourse.

 

Example: If I pick up the $5 seats, can we still hang around out in the outfield standing room? Interested in making sure that we can see the park as well as the game. If access is restricted, I will get Moon Deck seats which seem to allow that kind of freedom. Thanks.

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Not only can you have your freedom in the ballpark, you can visit the center next door!

by jacob brumfield on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

New GABP question.

What is your biggest gripe about the ballpark?

Mine- the advertising on the clock above the scoreboard. Can we not just get a plain white clock.

by jacob brumfield on Mar 5, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

i hate the soda clock. wish it would have been sponsored by a clock manufacturer instead.

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by obc2 on Mar 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a life insurance company.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

that's racist!

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by BubbaFan on Mar 5, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The "boat" in CF

It’s a useless corporate advertising vehicle, and ruins one of the best aspects of the ballpark, the view of the river.

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by jch24 on Mar 6, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeppers

I despise that ugly boat thingie…

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 6, 2010 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

You two are the Martin and Lewis of bitching about that boat.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 6, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

i like the boat

and i thought jch’s biggest gripe about GABP was the lack of a smoking section!

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by obc2 on Mar 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate that if you’re sitting in LF like i always do, all you can see is the inning by inning score … in other words, i have to break my neck turning around to see batting order, stats, etc … couldn’t they have put that somewhere around home plate too?

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by joshuar9476 on Mar 6, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Keeping score is part of the fun.

If you do that, you don’t need a scoreboard to tell you what you’ve just seen.

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by poojols on Mar 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like the new LF wall digital scoreboard, the one that shows other teams' scores.

On the old manual board, they showed every game at once. Now they cycle through 3 or 4 different screens, but they don’t change very often. I swear every time I look at it, it’s showing the AL West games that haven’t even started yet. Very annoying.

by the finest muffins on Mar 6, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, annoying

I always felt like I was seeing the same scores every time

by jacob brumfield on Mar 6, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't like the new big scoreboard either

There is something about those yellow lights that just sets the tone.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of odd to start a conversation about everything that's wrong with GABP...

On a post started by a guy planning to visit from out of town for the first time. Just sayin’.

Hey, bshaw18, if you find your way back here—just click on the link Justin shared above for more information on the ballpark experience. Don’t be frightened by the prolonged sidebar about Ohio smoking law.

by the finest muffins on Mar 6, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The GABP experience was significant;y better prior to the ugly monstrosity of a 'boat' that blocks the view of the River and KY.

monstrosity is being gentle…this looks like a reject from the old Ma and Pa Kettle movies from the 1950’s
Ma and Pa Take a Houseboat Trip

Gleet:The chronic morbid discharge as from the nostrils of horses.

by Madville on Mar 6, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

I've said it before..

Parade float.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Gleet:The chronic morbid discharge as from the nostrils of horses.

by Madville on Mar 6, 2010 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

these are horrible seats Mads

unless you’re blowing somebody, of course.

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by obc2 on Mar 6, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I can get with this.

I’ve not been all over GABP but I don’t think (other than the new Yankee Stadium) I’ve heard of any of the new parks having any horrible seats.

FWIW, PNC Park in Pittsburgh is smaller and better. Crappier team, better seats and a prettier night at the ballpark.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm recing that for home town pride

I really enjoy Great American.

Ranked order of MLB ballparks I’ve been too
PNC
GABP
Jacobs Field
Coors
Comisky
Wrigley
Turner
MIller
Riverfront
Tropicana

I loved going to Wrigley, despite my disparaging comments about Cubs fans it really is a museum for baseball, how baseball was when my Grandfather went. But it is also a giant hassle to go and your seats my or may not be behind a pole. I went to a Reds/Cubs game in Wrigley in 2008, and there was a pole located right between home plate and the pitchers mound in my field of vision. I could not get into the game at all, of course it could also have been because that was Harang’s final start in 2008 before going on the DL with his elbow issues… The small concourses, the long walks to the bathrooms, make me glad that the majority of the games I see are in the nice modern Great American Ballpark.

That being said, I recommend all of you go to Wrigley if you haven’t, the Reds are playing there in early August, and I have tickets. If you even have an inkling of going buy your tickets now from Cubs.com because they will sell out rather quickly, and it will cost and arm and a leg to get tickets from a scalper, and if you can’t go you can sell them and break even or turn a profit.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

why does PNC rank tops on your list?

Everyone seems to love that ballpark. Not enough to actually go to games there, though.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 7, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i went there last season and am going back in april

it is nice but it’s no better than GABP. it’s definitely overrated.

by 'tHan on Mar 7, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

then you should go to Wrigley!

im thinking topless coeds in the bleachers will make the ole ballpark top my list.

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by obc2 on Mar 7, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I sat in the upper deck behind home plate

They were smart in their construction. The press box is actually above the upper deck so the seats aren’t so high. Plus it has a beautiful background. It is a great ballpark.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I did tour the ballpark

While the Pirates were away. I was in the press box, and the view is very nice. But is it better than GABP? They also have a river view.

One thing I found interesting about PNC is that the suites are relatively cheap. They come with food and parking passes, so you could actually rent one and it wouldn’t be too outrageous, per person. The have their own little outdoor areas in front, so if you want to sit outside, you can.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 7, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Primanti Brothers.

’nuff said.

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by snohio on Mar 9, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

very tasty

i’ll definitely be heading back to that stand in April :-)

by 'tHan on Mar 9, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

that I won’t be with you.. Bring me back a sandwich (or a franchising agreement.) I don’t know why we don’t have a few of these in town..

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by snohio on Mar 9, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Primanti Brothers would be a whole lot better if they didn't put cole slaw and fries in every sandwich

While I like that cool, crisp crunch of cole slaw, sometimes I want it on the side, and I’ve never been a huge fan of fries in a sandwich.

Great taste and flavors, but I wish you had some more customization options.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 9, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

you probably can

But that’s kind of the point of Primanti Bros, isn’t it? Their claim to fame is slaw and fries in the sandwich.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 9, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the same.

It’s just a frikken sandwich with out the slaw and fries. You can make that in your kitchen..

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by snohio on Mar 9, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, you can't

Cole Slaw & a ridiculous amount of fries comes on EVERY sandwhich

That’s how they serve them, you can’t get it without unless you pick the stuff off after you get your sandwich.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 9, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

you really can't ask

them to serve it on the side?

Heck, even McDonald’s will customize orders.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 9, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I kid you not, you can't ask for the stuff on the side

Big handful of fries, big scoop of cole slaw in each sandwich

Check it out for yourself! Apparently that’s how they do things, and they consider it setting them apart from other places b/c that’s how they serve sandwiches.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 9, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And if you don't like it

go to another sandwich shop.. :)

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by snohio on Mar 9, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

poor choice

that was a really good sandwich. Plus, there are already fries on the side!

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a really good sandwich

Once I removed the mountain of fries from within the sandwich.

Sheesh.

I got the kolbassi & cheese, how ’bout you?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

looks kinda gross to me

I don’t like cole slaw, and fries in a sandwich doesn’t sound appealing. Potato chips, yes, fries, no.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 9, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i've never had it

but my roommate likes french fries on everything because of this.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 9, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You should hit Lucky's Sandwich Shop on Clark then

when you’re down there for games. They do the fries and slaw on the sandy thing too.

Pretty tasty, at least when drinking.

Calmer than you are.

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Mar 9, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

kinky

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by BubbaFan on Mar 9, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if they're Ruffles.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 9, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

best lay in the world

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 9, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe I'm the first to rec this

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by jch24 on Mar 10, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't get it at first.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 11, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

They're so cute at that age **sigh**

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by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Given that Chicago has the highest Polish population outside of Warsaw

Sitting behind a pole at Wrigley should probably be accepted. But just ask them to touch their elbow with their nose, and that should keep them from being a distraction for the rest of the game.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 7, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

racist

Definitely racist!

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by BubbaFan on Mar 7, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ethnist

Gleet:The chronic morbid discharge as from the nostrils of horses.

by Madville on Mar 7, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

has anyone been to PacBell (or SBC, or whatever phone park it is that the Giants play in this year)

as well as PNC and GABP?

Living in Giants country, I’ve been there lots of times. It is fantastic, especially if you sit where you can look out over the bay. But I’ve never been to PNC or GABP (hopefully this summer!) so I can’t compare them.

OTOH, it might just be that compared to Candlestick, anything is a dream.

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by bbjones on Mar 7, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Been there.

It was very nice.. Garlic Fries..
It’s in the top 3 parks I’ve been to.. Loved how kid friendly it was, not that I had kids at the time of the visit but watching the kids play wiffleball on the mini-field under the Coke bottle with the video screen was really cool.

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by snohio on Mar 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

bleacher seats at gabp are horrible

you can’t really see the scoreboard. it’s hot and uncomfortable. Also, I’m not sure if it should be attributed to the river or the people that generally sit up there, but the bleachers really smell bad.

by 'tHan on Mar 7, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I've only sat in the bleachers once

it was the very first RR gathering and it was rainy, so I gave it the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not a big fan of those seats, even if they are cheap.

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by Slyde on Mar 7, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed..

I’d rather have $5 seats and actually sit in those seats than the bleachers.. Besides, most games you can go about anywhere..

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by snohio on Mar 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If you’re looking to just get hammered at the ballpark, the bleacher seats aren’t bad. They’re close to the liquor stand and for the social drinkers, the left field is a good place to mingle and still get to watch the game.

But other than that, yes, the bleacher seats suck and not being able to see the scoreboard is a big reason why.

by shrguy on Mar 8, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’ve sat there twice, and I’ll never sit there again. In the summer, it is like sitting in a frying pan.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.

by btcoop71 on Mar 8, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, jump out of the frying pan!

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 8, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't mind upper deck behind home plate

Really the only seats I don’t like are the left field seats, simply because you get blasted by the low hanging speaker, and you can’t see the scoreboard.

I spent much of the summer of 2004 sitting in the nose bleeds because of those vouchers Carl Lindner sent out. I had a teacher buddy who gave me and a friend like 3 extra, I think I ended up going to 8 games for free that summer. The Reds only won one game.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

They ARE called view level.....duh.

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by jch24 on Mar 7, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like sitting behind home plate

You get lousy photos from that vantage.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like sitting behind the screen behind Home Plate

Gleet:The chronic morbid discharge as from the nostrils of horses.

by Madville on Mar 7, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate that they changed the nachos

Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.

by btcoop71 on Mar 6, 2010 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

I've never had the nachos at Great American.

But if the new nachos are not as good as the old nachos then I’m with you, Coop. I hate that.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the old nachos were Funachos

i do think the food quality and selection leaves much to be desired at GABP.

First, Chip needs to man an Opening Day booth. Second, i’d like to see something totally unique…like a fresh roasted wasabi soy almond stand. Or a beer battered cod sandwich on rye.

"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

by obc2 on Mar 6, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

and Trappist ales

Reds!

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The Arizona Republic

picked the Skyline chili dog as the signature dish at Goodyear.

Get a taste of home with the Cincinnati Skyline Chili Dog. That’s an all-beef hot dog, slathered with Skyline’s old family chili recipe, nestled on a bun with cheese, mustard and diced onions. Get it from the mobile Skyline cart. $4.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 6, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Reds 1, Indians 0!

In cuisine accolades, that is, not in actual baseball games.

by the finest muffins on Mar 6, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong..

but I don’t think you can get an all-beef dog at an actual Skyline restaurant. Can you?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I had nacho's dropped on me last year at a game

so i think they should be ban’d.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It's ugly.

The entire ballpark.

The grass is nice and green and the sky is (sometimes) nice and blue. The rest of the ballpark looks like it kinda accidentally fell into place.

Both the interior and the exterior not-so-subtly reveal its story: It was either designed by one too many committees or the one design committee was headed by hacks.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

i used to think that way

but many of my out of town friends LOVE the ballpark, especially the lower bowl. I gotta admit i love how convenient the restrooms are (no comments needed here, gang) and how wide the concourses are. i love the Machine Room, especially on blistering hot and bone chilling frigid days.

I dont think its as gaudy as some people think it is. I remember loving Jacobs Field in its initial years then being told by my former college roommate (and Tribe season ticket holder) how atrocious the luxury boxes were on the LF side between the lower and upper decks. He was kinda right, there are 2-3 levels of boxes that push the upper deck waaaaaay up.

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by obc2 on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Jacob's Field is easier on the eyes.

But it too has its faults. The ‘scoreboard’ is disproportionately hugemongous . And no, that wouldn’t be a problem if it weren’t such a think brick of advertising. I understand that the ads are going to be there and I’ve got no problem with that but there is such a thing as scale. If they had made it more pleasant to look at, people might look at it more often and for longer periods of time (and actually see the ads).

And that’s pretty much how I feel about GABP on the whole. There is no rhythm or flow to it all. It’s jumbled and it looks like they did it on the cheap- the architecture and design anyway.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 6, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate Miller Field

It feels so confined, and it is so hot and stuffy in there because they have windows on all the concourses. They should really air condition that place if they aren’t going to let it breath.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Other parks are prettier

but I think GABP is underrated for game experience. I’ve enjoyed every place I’ve sat except the one time I sat too close to the aisle on the third base line and spent the entire game trying to see past the people constantly walking up and down the aisle, but that is not the park’s fault as much as the non-baseball fans who are inconsiderate.

Otherwise, I think it’s a pleasant little park.

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by Slyde on Mar 7, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty high on GABP too

Granted, I’ve probably been there fewer than ten times in my life, but I really enjoy it. In the least racist way possible, all the white colors against the red seats make it seem very clean and fresh. The nods to Reds history are superb. I love the statues out front, the Rose garden and terrace, the Nuxhall sign-off on the facade, the murals, and even the fascist looking ballplayer reliefs. The boat never really registers as a gametime experience.

I like our park.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 7, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad GABP faces the river

not EVERY new ballpark has to face the city skyline. It’s a very tranquill view.

by mlh1981 on Mar 7, 2010 3:46 AM EST reply actions  

It was until they added the boat

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by Madville on Mar 7, 2010 6:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Cheese and rice!

I just went through about a hundred posts about the things wrong with GABP, ranging from no scoreboard, to loud speakers. Do the people who own and manage this park ever actually GO to these parts of the stadium?

Maybe if they paid some attention to the problems, the attendance might actually go up.
And yeah, part of it is about the team, but it seems easier to adjust a left field speaker than find a left fielder.

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by johnu1 on Mar 8, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair...

These are little things and mostly matters of opinion. I mentioned that I hate the new outfield scoreboard, but other people probably love it because it gives more information about each game and has bigger, more readable numbers.

Personally, I think GABP is the cat’s meow.

by the finest muffins on Mar 8, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The new out of town scoreboard does give more information

but do I really care about the exact situation of every game? I mean I don’t care if #72 is on the mound for Philadelphia and 57 is up to bat for Atlanta, with 18 on second base. Just give me the score and the inning.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 9, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I like it

cuz yeah, I do like to know what’s going on in other games. And there are plenty of fantasy baseball fans who like it too, I’m sure. The park is competing against the TV and internet to draw fans out of their basements. I think it’s a good upgrade.

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by Slyde on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it is about personal taste

just like some folks don’t like the PA announcer, that sort of stuff.
But details are the devil’s undoing, or something like that I just made up to sound like I am smart.

Two things I don’t like about ballparks anyplace.
— having to stand in line for things because the line is being poorly managed, such as not having a good work flow at the concession stand.

— noises or other outside influences that have no positive impact on the event, such as some drunk in the 112th row blowing on an air horn for 3 hours.

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