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How will the Reds do this year? A team projection.

In January, I recapped the projections I did for the 2009 Reds team. Today, I'm repeating this process for the 2010 Reds.  Quick run down on methods:

  • Rate projections are based on an average of CHONE and ZiPS projections.  These are two of the consistently top-performing projections available.  Last year, for example, they were massively better than PECOTA (although so was pretty much everything else, as it was broken last year).  Furthermore, composite projections (averages across several projections), as I'm doing here, usually outperform any individual projection system.  I think what I'm reporting here is as good as it gets.
  • Fielding is based on three sources: Total Zone fielding projections, Jeff Zimmerman's UZR150 projections, and Fan Scouting Report for 2009.
  • Playing time is parsed as follows, based on past Reds team usage: 748 PA's to C's, 2817 PA's to Infielders, 2271 PA's to outfielders, and 312 PA's to pitchers, for a total of 6148 PA's.
  • Playing time for any given player is capped at the smaller of the PA's estimated by CHONE or ZiPS (and, for starting players, PECOTA).  These are based on past usage.  Joey Votto has missed a fair bit of time the last few years, and as such gets fewer projected PA's than Phillips.
  • Starting position players get all possible PA's.  Reserve position players are capped at 200 PA's (exception: reserve catchers), and are usually given some proportion of their maximum PA total.
  • For pitchers, starters 1-4 get their maximum capped inning total, as do most relievers.  The #5 spot was split across five starters.  Volquez is included as a #5 starter, with his PECOTA-based IP cap of 64.
  • After the initial pass, I'll try a few additional scenarios to see how volatile the run projections are to different playing time allocations.  I'd also welcome additional suggestions on playing time scenarios to try.
Here we go...

Star-divide

Hitter projections

 

Name Pos PA AB H HR SB CS AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC wRAA Field WAR
Hernandez C 403 364 93 10 1 1 .256 .328 .395 .317 43 -5 -1 1.3
Hanigan C 317 282 75 4 0 0 .266 .348 .364 .318 33 -4 4 1.5
Tatum C 28 26 6 1 0 0 .225 .280 .348 .274 2 -1 0 0.0
Votto 1B 551 489 145 24 8 4 .298 .377 .513 .379 84 23 2 3.1
Phillips 2B 601 557 153 20 23 8 .274 .327 .444 .335 74 2 6 2.7
Rolen 3B 437 392 109 11 4 3 .279 .354 .434 .342 55 4 7 2.5
Cabrera SS 557 517 147 8 12 4 .285 .337 .391 .321 61 -5 -8 0.9
Sutton IF 182 162 41 4 4 2 .252 .332 .391 .317 19 -2 0 0.3
Miles IF 172 162 42 1 1 1 .261 .303 .337 .282 14 -7 -2 -0.4
Janish IF 196 177 42 3 2 0 .237 .310 .344 .292 17 -7 3 0.2
Francisco IF/OF 229 219 56 9 2 1 .257 .287 .444 .309 25 -5 -1 0.0
Stubbs CF 528 477 116 9 26 10 .242 .316 .363 .303 51 -13 10 1.4
Bruce RF 447 407 109 22 7 5 .267 .333 .497 .350 61 7 3 1.8
Heisey OF 186 171 47 5 6 2 .273 .331 .429 .332 22 0 0 0.4
Anderson OF 142 133 37 1 8 2 .276 .319 .372 .309 14 -3 1 0.1
Balentien OF 167 151 39 7 2 1 .257 .330 .463 .338 21 1 1 0.5
Gomes OF 187 165 41 10 3 1 .245 .331 .479 .347 25 2 -3 0.3
Dickerson OF 191 168 42 5 7 3 .250 .343 .401 .329 22 0 2 0.6
Frazier OF 176 164 42 5 2 2 .260 .314 .415 .313 19 -3 0 0.1
Nix OF 139 129 32 6 1 0 .250 .305 .456 .324 16 -1 1 0.3
Pitchers P 312 297 41 2 2 1 .138 .180 .176 .165 0 -45 0 0.0
Totals 6149 5609 1455 166 119 52 .259 .324 .409 .319 680 -64 25 17.6

 

As you can see, I sort of punted on the outfield.  Stubbs and Bruce are starters, but I basically split playing time evenly between everyone else.  Also, Francisco is set to split time between the infield and outfield, and so I gave him a bit over 200 PA's due to versatility.  Playing time projections for Bruce and Rolen, in particular, hurt, but I'm trying to be objective here.

Overall, there are two ways to estimate runs scored.  First, look at the wRC column.  This is an estimated runs scored based on absolute linear weights for all players, and it gives the Reds a total of 680 runs scored.  Alternatively, you can look at wRAA.  This estimates that the Reds will score 64 runs less than an average team next year.  If the average team scores 734 runs next year (weighted 3-year average), this would have the Reds scoring 670 runs.  

Last year, they scored 673 runs.  So we're at pretty much the same point as last year.  Not a real good start...

 

Pitcher Projections

Name GS IP K BB HR ER R ERA FIP FIPRuns
Aaron Harang 28 180 151 47 27 83 90 4.13 4.23 92
Johnny Cueto 29 169 144 58 25 81 88 4.30 4.44 90
Bronson Arroyo 30 185 122 59 27 90 99 4.40 4.72 104
Homer Bailey 28 158 125 67 20 83 91 4.75 4.59 87
Edinson Volquez 11 64 65 32 7 27 29 3.76 4.03 31
Matt Maloney 14 83 70 24 15 42 46 4.58 4.66 46
Justin Lehr 5 30 15 10 5 16 17 4.73 5.17 18
Micah Owings 12 67 45 29 10 37 40 4.92 5.09 41
Travis Wood 5 24 17 12 3 13 14 4.84 5.08 15
Francisco Cordero 0 64 62 28 5 22 24 3.07 3.58 28
Nick Masset 0 62 51 22 6 25 28 3.67 3.95 30
Danny Herrera 0 64 50 24 7 28 30 3.91 4.12 32
Jared Burton 0 60 50 25 5 25 26 3.68 3.94 29
Arthur Rhodes 0 37 35 16 3 14 15 3.53 3.76 17
Bill Bray 0 36 38 15 4 14 15 3.56 3.70 16
Carlos Fisher 0 58 50 28 6 27 29 4.18 4.23 30
Mike Lincoln 0 37 25 18 6 20 22 4.98 5.28 23
Enerio Del Rosario 0 29 17 11 3 15 16 4.53 4.64 16
Pedro Viola 0 42 37 25 7 25 27 5.26 5.35 27
Totals 162 1450 1169 550 189 686 747 4.26 4.43 771

None of the top-four starters projects to have a sub-4 ERA or FIP, though at least the innings pitched estimates are decent.  Still, you can see how much losing Volquez really hurts the look of this rotation.  With a healthy Volquez, they're a very deep staff.  As it is, they're decent, but probably not above-average.

The fifth starter spot is wide open now, so I opted to just spread around the remaining starts to everyone in competition.  I think the results here are pretty realistic.  It's not a best case scenario, but not a worst-case scenario either.  And yes, I'm ignoring Chapman.  We don't have anything close to a reliable projection for him, so I don't feel comfortable doing much of anything with him.

Relievers eat up the remainder of the innings.  The Reds have a decent core of relievers here--no one overpowering, but lots of good arms.

Overall, we can get two estimates of runs allowed.  First, CHONE and ZiPS already provide a fielding-adjusted estimate of runs allowed in their Runs projections, so looking at the "R" column gives us an estimated runs allowed of 747.  This is a tad worse than average, assuming that an average team 734 runs.

The other way to estimate runs allowed is via FIP, which can be used to generate FIPRuns.  This total gives us an estimated 771 runs allowed.  However, this needs to be adjusted for the Reds' fielding, which comes in (from the position player table) at at projected +25 runs.  Therefore, we can estimate overall runs allowed at 746 runs.  Same answer.

Last year, the Reds allowed 723 runs.  So this indicates a marginal dropoff in performance.

Projected Team Wins

If we take the average of our runs scored (675) and runs allowed (746.5) estimates and plug them into Pythagenpat, we get the following estimated winning percentage:

W% .453
W/L: 73-89

::grumble::

Not what I was hoping to find.  

Well, let's try some other scenarios.

 

Playing Time Scenarios

Dickerson & Gomes share LF, with Dickerson also getting time in CF

I'll give Dickerson and Gomes 400 PA's each, and reduce time for other outfielders proportionally.  I left Stubbs alone, as he's only at 528 PA's.  I'm also ditching Francisco's outfield playing time.  The result is a wRC of 684 runs scored (+4 runs), but fielding dropped to by 2 runs.  A net +2 run differential.

Dickerson & Balentien share LF, with Dickerson also getting time in CF.

Same as above, but Balentien instead of Gomes.  wRC is now 682 runs (+2), but fielding jumps to 29 RAA (+4), for a net +6 improvement to run differential.  This is a half-win boost.  Put me in the Pro-Balentien camp.

Chris Heisey wins LF, backed up mostly by Gomes and Dickerson

wRC goes to 681 (+1), fielding goes to +30 (I had to fudge this a bit, since the fielding numbers I'm using assume all OF spots, and instead I'm leaving him in the corner outfield where he should be well above average).  +6 boost.

Bruce, Rolen, Stubbs, Votto all get 600 PA's.  Reserves have PA's proportionally decreased.

This is sort of a best-case scenario.  What happens if everyone's healthy?  wRC improves to 689 (+9) while fielding improves by 5 runs.  So this is a +14 run differential improvement, or ~1.5 wins.  I thought this would look a lot better.

Heisey beats out Stubbs for CF job

wRC increases to 687 (+7), while fielding declines by 5 runs.  +2 run differential overall.  There's a wide margin of error here, as we're dealing with projections from minor leagues and little fielding info on Heisey (or Stubbs, really).

Matt Maloney wins fifth starter job, performs to his projection all year

Maloney has a decent little projection line this year, so here I'm giving him 28 starts and 165 IP.  I'm also reducing starts by Owings and Lehr and completely eliminating Wood from the majors.  Runs allowed drops to 743 (-4 runs).  Maybe a half-win.

Edinson Volquez experiences a miracle and throws 180 IP

It's not going to happen.  But just to see.  Other "#5 starters" lose playing time accordingly.  Runs allowed drops to 732 (-15 runs).  

 

...So I guess the conclusion is that I just can't make it happen.  I might be able to get 3 wins out of an optimized, best-case scenario offense.  And maybe another 2 wins out of best-case scenario pitching.  But getting all the way to 81 wins is a difficult task with these projections if we limit ourselves to simply adjusting playing time.  The Reds are going to need to not just stay healthy this year, but have a number of players out-play their projections significantly.  Bruce and Bailey may well do that, but it's probably going to take more than just those two guys becoming legit studs to get the Reds where they need to be.  

Your turn: Any other playing time scenarios you'd like to see?

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Alonso projects at 0.251/0.320/0.391

No idea on fielding. But even if he’s an average fielding 1B, that’s at or below replacement performance.

Now, that’s a projection. It’s purely minor league performance, no scouting at all. Doesn’t mean he won’t be awesome. But I’d have to invent (i.e. make up) some fancy numbers for him to have any positive effect.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It's also tough to project Hernandez.

You just can’t predict the clutch situations that he’s so money in.

I be so turned up, I be swaggin to da max

by coocooforcocoapuffs on Mar 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

In the words of Charlie Brown

“Tell your statistics to shut up!”

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I actually felt bad posting it

Everyone, myself included, has been feeling so damn optimistic. To not be able to get the data to tell me what I want it to was a let-down.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this

But after looking at how “well” the predictions worked out last year I dont think that I am going to write off the season just yet

by xbball44 on Mar 3, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, definitely

I like this as a means of giving me a read on what we can expect. But there’s definitely no reason why the Reds can’t still have a good year. I guess this just told me that more things would have to break our way than I anticipated.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

At the same time

Have to take opponents into account. Maybe all of the NL Central will totally tank! Pujols gets hurt, and the Cards are out of it.

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Pujol's elbow a ticking time bomb that will explode anytime now

leading him to TJ surgery?

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 4, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Or gonneherpesyphilaids.

(If we’re lucky)

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure

NL Central is probably the weakest division, so the Reds might get a few games’ bump by playing vs. crappy opponents. There’s less to gain on that front because there hasn’t been a ton of turnover, but I don’t mind giving them an extra win or two. Especially because that result would make me feel happier. ;)
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 4, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The projections seem good for BP, Rolen, Votto, and Cabrera

But low on Stubbs and Bruce. I have a hard time believing Stubbs will OPS that low all year, or that he’d be allowed to, with Dickerson waiting in the wings…wait, what am I saying? This is a Dusty-supported CFer…shit.

Oh, and finally someone agrees with me about Wlad!

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by nycredsfan on Mar 3, 2010 4:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

What I like most about him

Is that he rates as a decent enough corner outfielder. Might even be a tad above average. If he can hit anywhere close to Gomes, he’s much more valuable because he can catch the ball.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, ran one with Dickerson winning Stubbs' job

Stubbs gets 200 PA’s and then is sent to minors. Dickerson ends up with 400 PA’s. Also resulted in an increase in PT to Gomes and Balentien.

wRC went up to 688 (+8 runs). Fielding dropped to 20 RAA (-5 runs). 3 run improvement overall.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Craig Tatum's no longer in the organization.

(And that, clearly, should make all the difference!)

by the finest muffins on Mar 3, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Oops!

Thanks, forgot. Replace Tatum with “Generic AAA catcher” and we’re good. :)
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Corky Miller is not generic.

He’s a cornerstone of the Bats.

I be so turned up, I be swaggin to da max

by coocooforcocoapuffs on Mar 3, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Feline AIDS is the number one killer of cats.

Damn you, statistics, dampening my optimism.

Calmer than you are.

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Mar 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I notice there are no base running numbers in here

you have not properly accounted for the HAVOC!

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Wow. I forgot all about HAVOC.

Is that still a thing?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

LIl' bit of dickstub should fix that.

And on the left side of the infield.. Rolendo!

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He also completely left out Arroyo's 15 wins.

What are projections without Wins for pitchers? Isn’t that what the game is all about? And JinAZ completely ignores them. JeeZE.

by Brian B on Mar 3, 2010 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bruce and Votto

I’m not quite full of kool aid, so I’m gonna go ahead and believe the Bruce and Votto we saw over the last month of ‘09 is what we’re gonna see in ’10.

Bruce
.290/.350/.550

Votto
.320/.410/.550

That’s gotta be at least 5 wins there.

That oughtta be good for a couple more wins.

Also, a

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Mar 3, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Is it a pain in the ass for you to log in?

Is it hard to remember your password “Fairdowntheleftfieldlinebillybateswillscoreand thisonebelongstothereds”?

by Brian B on Mar 3, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I see the Reds being about 60 runs better than 09

 
The 3 blackholes for the Reds last year
SS .282 wOBA(-28)/
3rd .300(-17)
and CF .292(-20).
I see Stubbs around league average picking up the Reds 20 runs especially with another league ave. Cf in the wings
Cabera is projected around 310wOBA- if plays his usual full season should be another 20 run pickup.
And at 3rd base if Rolen could be around 340-350 wOBA- you are looking at 20 runs plus at 3rd base.
The keys are for Bruce to match the RF production 09 which was pretty solid at .354.
And an upside surprise would be a Dickerson/Heisey platoon in LF which I am bullish that they could be above average offensively and also ++ on defense.
With Cabera full-time I see the fielding down a little bit maybe up to 20 runs down.
Pitching – who knows. I see the basic talent on the Reds to be around 85 wins.
But I think this is the year we may get some upside surprise from Bruce, Rolen, Stubbs and Dickerson and push the 90 win mark.

by davidmac84 on Mar 3, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

On the morning after this team wins its 86th game..

I want someone to find this post to remind me of how unlikely I thought it would be that anyone would ever come looking for this post.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What is your kool-aid spiked with?

Must be something strong. Expecting Stubbs to be league average with the bat is optimistic, expecting Rolen to play enough to pick up a full 20 runs is also rather optimistic. 85 wins isn’t super crazy, but 90 is.

by kcgard2 on Mar 4, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Free Chris Heisey

Actually, I am not surprised at your results. I do not share everyone else’s optimism this year. I am less optimistic than I was last year at this time. Mostly because I have less faith in our starting pitchers. Come to think of it…I have less faith in our hitters, too.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 3, 2010 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know if I'd put it that way

It’s probably more accurate to say that I was more optimistic last year. Unreasonably so, perhaps.

I was not a fan of the Taveras signing, but I did not expect him to suck that badly. I thought A-Gon could be a decent SS, if he stayed healthy. A better glove than Keppy or Hairston, and I thought he would hit okay in the NL, in GABP. I was not expecting him to struggle so much with injury (though I probably should have). I had really high hopes for Bruce, after the way he played the previous year. I did not expect Votto’s problems with anxiety and depression.

So I guess this year, I’m more aware of everything that can go wrong. Rolen is probably an upgrade over EE…if he stays healthy, and that’s a big if. Votto is probably due to drop back a bit this year, and now there’s also the possibility of a Khalil Green-type collapse. I still have faith in Bruce, but it may take him longer than this season to figure it out. I’m underwhelmed at the Cabrera signing. I have high hopes for Stubbs as well, but like Bruce, he’s still figuring it out and may suffer a sophomore slump.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha.

I was pretty high on A-Gon last year too. And that’s one of the reason that my judgement may not be sound when it comes when it comes to Rolen, Hernandez and Cabrera. Those are our guys so and they’re wearing my favorite laundry so I could rattle off some things that I like about each of them and sound convincing but by the same token if they were all in Atlanta I could see myself telling a Braves fan: “Yo. Rolen, Cabrera and Hernandez? Good luck with that.”

Just looking at the ’09 roster on BBRef and realized that with Hairston, Gonzalez and McDonald gone, every other position player (aside from the aforementioned Rolen, Cabrera and Hernandez) is under the age of 30. Is that right?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel the same way.

I was watching some games from the beginning of last year (because I have no life), and looking at EE at third, Agon at short and Willy in CF I thought how much better off we are this year.
But in reality it could end up being the same story with different people.
Despite all this, I still have a ton of irrational optimism right now.

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by chazzilla on Mar 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost right.

If Aaron Miles makes the roster, he’d count, too, as he’s 33. And Ryan Hanigan will turn 30 during the season. But yeah, that’s a lot of youths.

by the finest muffins on Mar 3, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Forgot about quiet and unassuming Aaron.

QUIET AND UNASSUMING LIKE A FOX!

The masked gunman had Aaron Miles in a headlock and pressed a semiautomatic against the back of his head. The police and five of Miles’ teammates were outside in the parking lot. The police repeatedly yelled for the gunman to surrender. But the gunman wasn’t about to go peacefully. After about a half-hour, Miles, the gunman’s lone hostage, had had enough.

‘’I had visions of being shot,’’ said Miles… ‘’Of never seeing my family again. Of being dead. I felt I had to do something. The feeling kept growing. I decided that if he gave me a chance, I was going to turn on him and wrestle the gun away.’’

The gunman walked Miles over to the window of the Kissimmee, Fla., motel room where he was being held hostage, and told him to open the curtain. Miles did as he was told. Then the gunman bent over to look through the window, moving the gun from behind Miles’ head to his right cheek. And that’s when Miles made his move, grabbing the barrel of the gun and holding onto it for dear life. The two men struggled for control, and the gunman didn’t play fair. He punched Miles. He bit Miles in the back. He jumped onto Miles’ back. But the 5-8 Miles, whose back was bleeding from the bite, wouldn’t let go of the gun. Instead, with the gunman still on his back, Miles body slammed him against the wall. The gunman fell to the ground, and Miles fell on top of him. They both were still holding the gun, which now was pointed at the ceiling…

Link.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

and then? and then?

AND THEN ….?

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Spoiler alert: He survives.

In other words, he doesn’t get eaten by the eels at this time.

by the finest muffins on Mar 4, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good band

Didn’t know they were cannibals though. That’s kinda weird.

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

whew, had me worried

… but now I am all edgy about this eels problem.
I am wary of eels.

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

when an eel lunges out

and it bites your snout, that’s a moray!

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

For me

I guess it’s sort of that familiarity breeds…well, not contempt, but realism. Cabrera is the only “new” player, and he’s geriatric for a SS. At least A-Gon was only 32.

More and more, I’m thinking it’s depth that matters. All kinds of wacky things happened last year, but things happen every year, to every team. The Tampa Rays suffered very few injuries the year they made it to the WS, but you can’t count on that kind of luck.

So how are we on depth? Not bad, except maybe at 3B. We have spare outfielders (including Heisey, who can play CF and has a good stick). There should be some pitching depth in Louisville. If Hernandez gets injured, it won’t be the end of the world to play Hanigan. We have Janish to back up at SS, and a thundering herd at 1B. If something happens to Rolen, though, it would be a big loss if he’s replaced with the likes of Aaron Miles or Miguel Cairo.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but you have to admit he's an unknown quantity now

He hasn’t played that much 3B, and he hasn’t played it very well, if Baseball Cube is to be believed. He’s never played in the big leagues, or even much at AAA. It’s possible that he could leave us pining for Adam Rosales.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

We have very little statistically about Frazier's defense at 3B

He’s had a total of 35 balls hit into his zone at 3B in the minors. Believe it or not, he’s had a lot more experience at 2B than 3B. I was surprised by that.

That being said, he handled SS well enough that I think we can assume that he can handle 3B. Typically shortstops can make that move without too much trouble. And if Frazier’s biggest defensive problem at SS is range, he shouldn’t have that problem at 3B.

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by Slyde on Mar 4, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't surprised

He hasn’t been used at 3B much at all. He’s played not only more 2B, but more outfield and 1B than 3B.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

But if I’m going to plug in a guy at 3B, I’d rather have someone with some upside. Frazier did show a good arm in the outfield, so I think he’s got a shot at being decent at 3B. Slyde’s comments about his SS experience is a good point as well.

I imagine that Sutton could also play there if Frazier turns out to be a disaster. Cairo…I keep forgetting about him. Is he really going to make this team?
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 4, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet Cairo goes to Louisville, unless there are injuries

He’s redundant with Miles, and I think Miles will get more benefit of the doubt because of his salary.

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by Slyde on Mar 4, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if the Reds would do that, though

Expecting him to step in as a starter in an unfamiliar position and adjust to the big leagues at the same time might be expecting too much. And might not be good for him if he ends up crashing and burning.

I suppose it will depend on how he’s doing in Louisville, and if they think the Reds have a shot.

I’m not expecting Miggy to make the team out of spring training, but don’t count him out. He’s managed to work his way onto the big league roster one way or another for years now.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It's cool. Just chill, Leg. Just chill. Be cool.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I once ran across a website

I think it was religious, but it had pictures of all sorts of people and equated that hand gesture as a signal to fellow devil worshippers or some such insanity. They should know about Mr. Salad Tosser.

by ol Pete on Mar 4, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

are you sure it wasn't a joke site?

A whole bunch of them sprung up after Dubya was photographed making a “hook ’em horns” sign, and Europeans mistook it as a obscene gesture.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

no it was serious

but they did derive great meaning from Dubya’s waving at fellow Longhorn fans.

by ol Pete on Mar 4, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

they must think baseball players are all the devil's spawn

Since they are always making that gesture to each other.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Tis the curse of playing baseball.

Whenever I signal two of something I do it the baseball way.

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

doing it the normal American way

is considering a rude gesture in the UK. You’re expected to hold up your thumb and forefinger to signal “two” over there.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 4, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess that I should keep that in mind if I'm ever in the UK...

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Could avoid several problems :P

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess would be

there was some early Satanic influence that caught on and that there is some lingering danger for those unwary baseball players.

by ol Pete on Mar 4, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel icky if I don't tell you what I did

Part of me is hoping someone sees a meaningful problem in my approach that, when fixed, will result in the Reds winning 85 games.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually ....

I would rather you project it toward 63-99 and then when the team pulls off a Miracle Season, wins the NLD and NLCS, rolls across the planet as the Champions of the World Serial, then we Reds fans can say … “We kept the faith even though the pundits and the experts said we sucked.”

But we knew we didn’t suck and we were/are/shall always be faithful to the Redlegs.

How’s that for an answer?

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by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi.

Welcome to our creepy little world.

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by Pops Daniels on Mar 3, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no way of doing Chapman

Heisey is roughly equivalent to Balentien. I could run it, but my guess is you get another 5 runs on top of the everybody healthy scenario I ran above. :)
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Man,

what a difference a year makes. : P

Also, why did you go with FIP runs, versus Rally’s RAR? And isn’t there supposed to be something better than FIP, like xFIP or the shiny new BPro metric?

by ken on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I was expecting to get the same irrational optimism again

As for pitchers, I did both. I used FIPRuns+fielding as one way of estimating runs allowed, and then I also just used the straight-up R column provided in the projections. They came to almost identical conclusions.

As for xFIP/SIERA (and SIERA’s no better than xFIP from what I’ve seen), they require batted ball information (GB%, etc) and the projections don’t provide it. Furthermore, since I’m doing FIP on projections and not “real” data, I don’t think it matters all that much. The reason those metrics outperform FIP on prediction is that they get away from some of the randomness of the HR/F rates that can push FIP up or down. But CHONE and ZiPS are giving us a fairly stable HR rate to work with, which should more or less solve that problem. In fact, since there is probably some skill to HR/F, I would guess that FIP on projections works (very slightly) better than xFIP on projections…

There is a metric called kwERA that came up on Tango’s blog last week. It simply uses K and BB rates (no HR, batted ball, etc), and actually seems to work better than anything else at prediction. That’s mind-blowing, but the data seem solid. I’m just not quite ready to trust it, though, because it just feels wrong to ignore everything about HR/FB/GB rates.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 3, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There goes my happiness...

But stats can be everything right? ….right…. :(

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by chazzilla on Mar 3, 2010 9:10 PM EST reply actions  

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"Expert" WAR Analysis .....

           and projections can tell me all day that a lineup with Rolen, OC and Stubbs isn’t going to produce more runs than a lineup that had EE/Rosales, AGon/Janish and Willy T in it …………………………..

              And I still laugh at such bullshit.

by no1marauder on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Well, it expects regression from Votto and BP

And doesn’t expect OC or Stubbs to be too magnificent and expects Rolen and Bruce to miss time.. so..

by jsl413 on Mar 3, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It is what it is.

You can look at the projections and decide which ones you think are off. You can look at the playing time I assigned and decide what’s not realistic. This is is just one way, largely objective, of determining what sort of talent base we’re working from. Feel free to ignore.

And FWIW, WAR has nothing to do with these projections. I only included it in the hitters (and just forgot with the pitchers) for reference since I wanted to know if, for example, Aaron Miles was projected below replacement (and yes, he is).
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 4, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

are we not rec'ing train recs these days?

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by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on how good the wreck/rec is

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It messed up traffic in Hamilton yesterday

Story

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 4, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

not much to remember

i mean if it is 1AM and I’m bored I go to Steak n Shake.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 4, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cuckoo's Egg by Stoll

was one of my favorite books. Early Internet at it’s finest..

Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.

by snohio on Mar 4, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He could have been wrong

Let’s see …

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by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope

That’s why they play the games boys!

by 76 Reds on Mar 4, 2010 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

That's sexist!

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's another best-case scenario I didn't run earlier

Arroyo & Harang go 220 IP, Bailey and Cueto go 190 IP.

This is sort of a best-case scenario with the starters health-wise. Maloney & Owings have their PT reduced. I removed Wood and Lehr altogether. Left Volquez alone. Also had to pull a few innings off of the relievers to keep overall IP at 1450.

Result was 741 runs allowed, which is a 6-run improvement (FIP-Runs improved by 7 runs). Not as much as I had hoped, once again. I think the main reason is that the extra playing time was not exactly going to plus-plus pitchers. Homer Bailey’s projection, in particular, is a bit pessimistic given what we hope we know about him from his last 9 starts of 2009. A better projection for Homer would help a lot more than just keeping everyone healthy.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 4, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Great work

Trying to dig out some optimism here:

I know Votto is slated for regression due to his batted ball numbers, but I choose to believe he’s going to put up a .400 wOBA. BP, Cabrera and Rolen will probably perform around how you project, but I’m going to go ahead and assume their defense is undervalued here or something.

Bruce could easily ratchet his SLG up to .550+.

Stubbs is probably the biggest unknown quantity. I’ll hope against hope that either he vastly outperforms the projection (which seems unmercifully low) – or Dickerson or maybe Heisey comes in to produce at CF.

LF will probably be a revolving door, but the best hope might be for a break out from Wlad on the order you suggest (hopefully a .340+ wOBA), which would probably see him get a lot more PAs than you’ve got penciled in.

On the pitching side, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume Harang or Arroyo could get under 4.00 ERA, while one of Bailey or Cueto could do the same. That could make a big difference toward the goal of a 81 win season.

In the pen, I hope you end up low on some of these guys – especially Massett, DRH, Owings and Lincoln/whoever takes his spot.

Taken together, maybe we’ve got 82-83 wins there. One thing that’s heartening is depth] – and the potential replacements are hard to project. If BP goes down, we could see Sutton or Frazier. If Rolen, Francisco, Sutton or Frazier. If no one claims the 5th spot, we could be looking at Chapman, Wood or Leake at some point this year. Unfortunately, the depth suggests a much better 2011 than 2010.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

We have literally no one projected to hit .300.

That’s kind of concerning…

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

But maybe not unwarranted.

Until Votto did it last year, no Red had hit .300 in, what, 5 years? More?

by the finest muffins on Mar 4, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

makes me miss Sean Casey.

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by crolfer on Mar 4, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If any raw number matters

Having a few guys hit in the high .290s or low .300s would suggest something of a hitting strategy in what I’ve been told is a friendly park for hitters (or at least long-ball guys.) If this team offense continues to lumber around with a collective .240 … what can we do to fix that?

Hitting coach, anybody?

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by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem with this team

is that .240 batting averages usually mean .300 OBP. If we had guys that could bat .240 but still get on base 35% of the time, it wouldn’t matter as much.

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by Slyde on Mar 4, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Of course, getting a single and being thrown out trying to stretch it … about the same thing.
I recall one game last year with bases loaded, late, we couldn’t get a fly ball deep enough to score the run. Twice that happened. I thought, wtf … maybe we could bunt the guy home.
Nah, too logical.
Another topic, not generic to OBP, I reckon.

Then when your leadoff guy gets 18 walks in a season. Crap I could go up there 200 times and never swing the bat, get 10 walks.

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by johnu1 on Mar 4, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Intersquad home team lineup is pretty telling

Drew Stubbs cf
Orlando Cabrera ss
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Jonny Gomes lf
Ramon Hernandez c
Homer Bailey p

I think this is what we’re going to get against lefties this year.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 4, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Homer Bailey is going to pitch every game against lefties this year?

He’s definitely going to end up hurt. Dusty is abusive11

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by Slyde on Mar 4, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you forget to press the shift key is my guess

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No, you're not understanding

He’s only going to pitch against left-handed batters. It’s a pretty creative way to limit his innings I think.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 4, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Joking aside

Is it possible for a on-field position player to swap positions with a pitcher during an inning?

For instance, if for some reason Janish matched up really well against Lance Berkman, could he switch positions for the at-bat if Owings was on the mound, sending Owings to LF, Frazier to 2B and BP to SS? It would be kind of cool if some of your position players were also LOOGYs and you had the defensive flexibility to make it work.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think Tommy Lasorda did it.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm shocked

LaRussa hasn’t made it a regular practice

by ol Pete on Mar 4, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell did it against the Reds in 1986. In the 10th inning this happened:

Roger McDowell replaces Ray Knight (3B) pitching and batting 7th; Ed Hearn replaces Kevin Mitchell (RF) playing C batting 5th; Gary Carter moves from C to 3B; Jesse Orosco moves from P to RF

In the 11th inning, this happened:
Jesse Orosco moves from RF to P; Roger McDowell moves from P to RF

Then in the 12th:
Roger McDowell moves from RF to LF; Mookie Wilson moves from LF to RF

And then the 13th:
Roger McDowell moves from LF to P; Mookie Wilson moves from RF to LF; Jesse Orosco moves from P to RF

The Mets won it in 14 innings after the Howard Johnson drove in catcher Ed Hearn and right fielder Jesse Orosco, who had walked. I remember watching that game on TV.

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by Slyde on Mar 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I just looked up Orosco on baseball-reference

he still was striking out batters at a clip of 7.7/9 in his final season. The rest of his numbers sucked but that is kinda impressive for a 44 year old man.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Pizza cutter had a good article on this strategy a few weeks back at BPro

Pizza cutter=Russell Carleton

I don’t understand why more managers don’t give it a go, especially when relief help gets tight in a close game.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 4, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Orosco could be the answer to our LH bullpen issues

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by johnu1 on Mar 5, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Is the issue that Rhodes feels old?

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

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