Red Reposter - Trent talks to the Godfather
by ken on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT
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Print- Trent interviews Bill James
The above link is part 1, this is part 2. They're great reads. Regardless of what you think about stats, Bill James knows a helluva lot about baseball (and he's actually not as staty as you might think; read his comments about clubhouse chemistry). Among many other things, James talks about the increasing number of stat analysts in MLB front offices: CTR: It seems every team has [a stats guy] now. BJ: The difference - some teams have somebody because everyone has somebody. Some people have people because they want to know what they think. It would be interesting to know to where the Reds fall on that spectrum. -
Arroyo, Chapman pitching today against Colorado
FSN Ohio is broadcasting today's 4:05 game against the Rockies. If all goes to plan the pitching will be handled by Bronson Arroyo (five innings) and Aroldis Chapman (four innings). No word on who'll pitch if Badroyo shows up. - Lehr continues his bid for the 5th spot
The Reds got solid pitching performances yesterday in two split-squad games. Against the Cubs, Justin Lehr allowed one run in four innings, scattering 5 hits, striking out 1 and not walking anybody. With Lincoln out of the picture, Chapman's contract and talk of Matt Maloney going to the bullpen, could wee see King Lehr in the rotation in April? The Reds also beat the A's 4-3, with Johnny Cueto and Jared Burton pitching effectively. Cueto struck out four and walked three in giving up one run in four innings. Burton struck out two and walked one in two innings, allowing two runs (one earned). -
CNATI - Reds youngsters struggle against the Giants
On Saturday, the Reds lost a 6-0 snoozer that was broadcasted on the MLB Network. Travis Wood started and gave up a couple of home runs in the first inning but settled down afterwards. Mike Leake also got hit around in the fifth, giving up his first runs of the spring. But Dusty let him get out of his jam and liked what he saw from the two youngsters: "That's why we left Leake out there, a couple of more batters than we wanted to, but we wanted to see how they'd handle adversity, they both handled it pretty good," Baker said. "Their body language was good, you couldn't tell if they were winning or losing, that translates a lot to the opposition. It tells them they're battlers." - Volquez throwing off the mound
Edinson Volquez battled his own adversity this weekend, throwing off the mound for the first time since his August 2009 TJ surgery. Per Fay, Volquez threw 30 pitches at about 50 percent on Sunday. "It was good," he said. "No pain. I’m happy with everything so far." The safe bet remains to not count on anything from Volquez in 2010, but a couple of months from him at the end of the year could be a boost to the rotation if the Reds find themselves contending. - McCoy - Fossas: Been there and done that
Hal talks to Tony Fossas, the Dayton pitching coach and a special instructor and interpreter for Aroldis Chapman this spring. Fossas leaves ST today after Chapman pitches to begin working with the Dragons' guys. Of course, Fossas has been highly impressed with Chapman. I thought his comments about Chapman's control were interesting: "They though he would have control problems, but he hasn’t," said Fossas. "Even the pitches that are not strikes are close. He doesn’t throw pitches way out of the zone, way high or way wide. And I’ve noticed, too, that the spring training strike zone is very tight."
- MLB.com names Reds' All-Decade team
The selection committee was Rob Butcher (media relations director), Jamie Ramsey and Larry Herms (Butcher's assistants), Rick Stowe (clubhouse/equipment manager) and Chris Welsh. All five were in the Reds employ for the entire 2000-2009 decade. They picked the same starting as eight and the first four starting pitchers as we did. The mlb.com team opted for Paul Wilson instead of RR's Johnny Cueto for the fifth spot, which I can see. - Da Meat Hook trades in jersey for suit
Dmitri Young was just named vice president and senior adviser of baseball operations of the Oakland County Cruisers, an indy league team in the greater Detroit area. Young will be a jack-of-all-trades for the Cruisers, having a part in scouting, management, and broadcasting. HT to RL Nation. - NYT Interview with Davey Johnson
Like most guys formerly associated with the Reds, Davey Johnson gets his paycheck from the Nationals, where he serves as a senior adviser. The 67 year-old Johnson said he's not interested in managing again. Apparently his mid-season firing from the Mets in 1990 was more painful than being let go by the Reds after 1995. - THT - Ten things I didn’t know about starting rotations
By ERA+ the 2003 Reds rotation ranked as one of the six worst of all time, with a 74 ERA+. This was the year that Ryan Dempster pitched hurt, Danny Graves started, and Jimmy Haynes pitched like himself. It was also the year Bob Boone got canned. Good times! - Mauer, Twins agree to 8-year, $184M extension
The extension, which includes a full no-trade clause, begins in 2011 and takes Joe Mauer through his age-35 season. As great as he is there's some considerable risk here for the Twins, more so than a standard long-term deal. There's a higher injury risk for catchers relative to other position players for a variety of reasons, like exposure to collisions at the plate or foul tips off the mask. Catchers also suffer from wear and tear from all the squatting, which may be more pronounced for someone as tall as the 6'5" Mauer. If Minnesota decides (or is forced) to move Mauer to a different position early in the deal, they'll have to pick somewhere other than 1B because Justin Mourneau is signed through 2013. Overall, the number of years doesn't surprise me but I did think a hometown discount while Mauer's still a year away from FA would put the average annual value at 20M rather than 23.
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I'd put Mauer in LF
He’ll never see the end of that contract if he stays at C.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
I'd let him Catch atleast the next couple of years
Part of the reason he is so valuable, a Catcher who can actually hit, let alone be a MVP -caliber hitter. If he begins a decline, I’d send him to 1st base.
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he hits more than well enough for a DH even
it’s not like they’d be asking for Jose Molina to move positions. Mauer can play any of the top offensive spots and not miss a beat.
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I mean, but Mauer's never going to have another 2009.
If he hits ~.900 for the next 8 years a DH, is that worth 23 million a year?
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Yeah
He’s supposed to be an excellent defensive and game-calling catcher. I’d leave him there as long as I could, so long as it doesn’t affect his offense too much. Once he moves positions he’ll still be a very good player but not nearly as valuable. That might make a difference for a mid-market team like the Twins.
Especially if they don't have another good option at C
We have experienced first hand how hard it is to get a good catcher. I’m guessing they’ll leave him there as long as possible.
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i agree
Morneau is signed through 2013. that sounds like as good a time as any to move Mauer from behind the dish. i’d prefer to see Mauer take a crack at 3B though. he should be able to more than handle it defensively, given his quickness and arm.
and i agree with andromache. no DH in the world is worth $23 mil a year.
"always look on the unbucket side of life"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess if I needed to whine
I wish Trent would put a few pixels on his left margin. Just an easier read for me.
Now, back to Bill James.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
I agree
I prefer to not have my browser window maximized (especially while at work), so having the text right up against the margin makes it run together with whatever it is I’m supposed to be working on in the background. Oh well.
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by beasleymachine on Mar 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I just noticed that on my phone
It’s hard to read the first letter on each line.
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It works fine on wide screens
and whoever developed it probably made the mistake of not viewing it on a smaller monitor (or zoomed in on a large monitor).
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Bill James
really likes our slugging SS, Paul Janish. More than the Reds do, it would seem.
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I’m not sure I agree with James here: He’s going to be a guy that probably doesn’t hit .260, but I don’t think he’s going to make a lot of outs, either. I think he’ll be all right in the strike zone.
If Janish has problems making contact and hits for almost no power, it will be tough for him to maintain a decent walk rate. Pitchers will not feel the need to paint the corners when facing him. Not that Tubby Lando will be much better in that department.
Hadn't seen the news of Dmitri's retirement.
The number of ‘99 Reds left in the major leagues dwindles further. I think Jason LaRue, Brett Tomko, Dennys Reyes, Ron Villone, and Mike Cameron are all that’s left . Scott Williamson’s still banging around the minors/independent ball, it looks like. As young as that team was, I’m kind of surprised there aren’t more guys still playing.
by the finest muffins on Mar 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
Dmitri
Having an indy league team in our town, I get to know some of the folks who are involved.
He will have a full 24-hour day, starting yesterday, and while it can be high profile, it’s a tough challenge, finding and signing talent, promoting, all the stuff that these operations do. But the Frontier League is a nice little league, fairly stable and a nice addition to the communities.
Ya gots to know your baseball to make it in the indy leagues.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
Fay's got an nteresting quote from Dusty re: Chapman
"There are some things we’re rushing Chapman on – bunting, base-running, when to tag, when to run, when not to run," Baker said. "Wood and Leake are more advanced with that. It would be easier on Chapman if he was in the American League and never had to hit and run the bases."
That’s something I hadn’t thought too much about, but it’s important. Learning to play on the other side of the ball is going to be important for Chapman’s development. Sure, pitchers aren’t asked to do too much in regards to hitting and baserunning, but I’m not sure I want to have our 5th starter completely clueless in that regard.
I also don't think it matters much, in the grand scheme of things
Pitcher hitting is the type of thing they probably don’t mind you learning at the big league level.
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I could see it mattering to Dusty
Does the Cuban league have DHs? Seems like Chapman should have some experience with all of this.
regardless
I still don’t see any overwhelmingly good reason to have him on the opening day roster, and this seems like another good thing that could come from starting him in Louisville or Dayton.
No one taught Doc at 19 how to snort blow off a hooker's chest
And he seemed to pick it up just fine from his teammates. It’s hard to learn that kind of thing in a town like Zebulon. No offense, Gray.
by Brian B on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think we do that in our town, either.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
They do that in Gary though.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't go to Gary without a flashlight.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
No DH in today's game, so Arroyo and Chapman will get their hacks in
Stubbs 8
Cabrera 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Rolen 5
Bruce 9
Gomes 7
Hernandez 2
Arroyo 1
More cuts later today, per Sheldon and Trent.
Wonder if the cuts will be anyone consequential
Probably won’t be Maloney, Leake, Wood or Chapman, but I could see Sutton or Wilkin shipping out, which would be kind of a shame.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
To be cut?
Yeah. But he and Wilkin are the only two with a legitimate shot at making the team (though Miles probably has the spot on his contract alone) that also could be cut. Heisey or Francisco would be significant cuts, but I really don’t think there’s a spot for them on the big league club yet.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it as too different than Cueto two years ago
Didn’t it take him forever to get his first big league hit?
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by BK on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This probably falls under "overthinking Dusty"
but it’s possible there’s a hint of a pretext here for the inevitable send-down. They’re showcasing him for the fans and getting a good read on his performance vs. MLB talent, but I still don’t think they’re serious about him going straight into the rotation.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they're dead serious about it
The quotes from the last few days about Chapman and the 5th spot is that they’re not concerned at all about his contract, they think he can pitch in the major leagues right now, and Matt Maloney’s name is no longer mentioned in the 5th starter talks. I’d say Chapman has to be the front runner right now.
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by BK on Mar 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I never know how much stock to put into spring PR
but it does seem possible the scouts have determined he doesn’t have any critical control problems that would prevent him from throwing 100 MPH gas effectively. If that’s the case, then maybe the contract concerns are a dead issue. The Dusty quote at least sounded like hedging. If Maloney really is out and the Reds couldn’t stomach Lehr for 2 months or so, Chapman is the frontrunner. I could see biting the contract bullet for Chapman, in exchange for another year of control for Leake and a little more insurance that Wood’s success is sustainable.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the questions I've been asking myself
Was Johnny Cueto’s rookie season a success? Would we be satisfied with Chapman if he came up and gave us Cueto’s rookie season all over again?
He’s still only pitched 7 innings. Do we really know enough about him yet?
I don’t know the answers to these questions, but it’s what I’ve been thinking about.
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i know the answer
Cueto’s season was a success, but only in light of the fact that there were no other alternatives. if Chapman were running for the 3rd rotation spot right now like Cueto was, then I would be all for him making the team. but the fact is that the Reds have much better pitching now than they did in ’08. they dont need Chapman now like they needed Cueto then. im fully confident that Matt Maloney could pitch better this season than Cueto did in ’08. im not sure of that for Chapman, and even if i was, the marginal gain over Maloney is not worth the $$.
"always look on the unbucket side of life"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
7 IP
or 20 IP of spring is not enough to take as a big a financial and developmental risk as the Reds are considering, even if you’re scouting is on board. The situation will be much different in 2 months and the Reds have maybe sacrificed 1-2 wins toward a still out-of-reach playoff spot.. But maybe the ticket sales projections are more outrageous than we realize. I would slot in Maloney, then try Wood or Owings… and if all of those are mediocre through June, while Chapman or Leake tear up Carolina or Lousville, then bring em up without delay.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
There's an easier answer to the 5th starter question
And that is the Reds don’t need a fifth starter until May. Chapman will be in the minors regardless, and Lehr can be “Jim Brower” for a couple of months.
by Brian B on Mar 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Reds do need a 5th starter in April
By my count if the Reds don’t have a 5th starter in April, on 9 different occasions pitchers would be working on three days rest.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Truthfully, I didn't look at the schedule myself
I just listened to what Obama told me was in the schedule.
by Brian B on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ooohhhhh topical humor!
thanks Leno!
"always look on the unbucket side of life"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 24, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I still can't believe the contract doesn't figure in the decision
They really are saying the right things and the writers seem convinced. I’m not. Trent says today (emphasis mine):
I think too many people are worried about the contract situation with Chapman, the people inside the organization I talk to — and these are people with intimate knowledge of the contract — say it’s not even a concern. At most, it’ll cost them a couple more million, but if he earns that, it’s worth it. And remember, the big man isn’t a very patient man.
I don’t think a couple more million is a negligible amount, but that understates it anyways. If Chapman turns out to be a good pitcher, his contract is basically 5 years/25M (since he’ll decline the 5M player option in 2015). Here’s what his compensation will look like if he stays with the Reds for 3 full seasons starting on OD: 10:$1M, 11:$1M, 12:$2M (+ 5M bonus), 13:arb-1, 14:arb-2.
And here’s what it will look like if he’s called up in June after the Super 2 cut-off: 10:$1M, 11:$1M, 12:$2M, 13:$2M (+ 3M bonus), 14:arb-1.
The difference isn’t just based on the bonuses, which is what Trent may have been thinking. If the Reds list Chapman on the OD roster they’ll owe him an arb-2 year on top of the bottom scenario. If Chapman becomes a decent starter, that’ll be much more than 2M. Wandy Rodriguez just lost his arb-2 hearing but will make 5M this year. I’m getting ahead of myself here, but if Chapman’s really the bees knees the Reds could easily fork over 10M by the time Chapman’s arb-2 year rolls around.
I understand why the team doesn’t want to say that the contract is a consideration, especially given the CBA negotiation coming up in a year. But I don’t fault teams for playing the service clock game. The Giants just gave away about 10M because they called up Timmy a few weeks early in a non-contending season. I don’t want to see the Reds make the same mistake.
If they put him on the Opening Day roster
they’ll only owe him an arb-2 year if he gets sent down again, right? If he stays on the 25-man or MLB DL the whole time, he’ll get regular arb after ‘13, while if he joins the team after a couple weeks in the minors, he’ll get super-2.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically, they don't avoid heaping the bonus on top of
his arb payout unless they keep him down until June.
So just do that and pretend that’s not what you’re doing. It’s the smart move.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
all arbs and legs aside
I personally like the drama of AC starting the year down under.
When he’s ready to hit GABP, the enthusiasm could be real major thick.
You need to sell the fans a little sizzle, guys. Money matters, yeah … but there’s a show involved as well.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
Chapman will get an arb-2 year as long as he stays in the league long enough to earn it
But the longer the Reds prolong it, the more they save through the nature of his deal and the arb system.
I think we'll look back at this concern in six years and laugh about why we were worried about having to pay Chapman a couple million more over 6 years.
It comes down to whether the first couple of months of his career will be worth that much. And for a dude with as much international hype as Chapman has, I’d say it’s well worth the financial risk to play him in the majors now. There will be national tv opportunities that the Reds would otherwise not have. There will be additional marketing draw early in the season that the Reds would otherwise not have. And there are a lot of empty seats at GABP in April and May that will sell.
I’d say the financial risk is negligible. And the Reds have control over him either way. The discussion should really focus on whether a couple of months in the minors would be better for Chapman’s development.
by Brian B on Mar 23, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure it's negligible
If he plays in the majors for the next 3 full seasons, I could see his $30 million contract turning into a $50 million contract easily. I don’t consider $20 million to be negligible, even if it is spread over 3 years.
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That's a lotta dough.
Maybe with the Yanks or the Red Sox, it’d be negligibleish, but not with us.
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We'll see, but I doubt we're looking through the same glass in three years.
If Chapman breaks out early, there will be extension talks and the remaining money in this contract will be rolled into the next. If no extension is agreed to, the the Reds have a very tradeable commodity (at least to a team with cash).
On the other hand, if he develops into an average or injured player, then his contract plays out the way it is without substantial increases. And this discussion doesn’t matter at all. I’d say it was brilliant negotiating for the Reds.
by Brian B on Mar 23, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you really think Chapman will be that much better than Maloney and Wood
in 2010?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely a good argument!
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not better than Maloney
I project Maloney to win 17 this year if given the chance. I hear he has been setting up hitters for years with pitches that he doesn’t even throw, which has been inflating his numbers. I can’t wait to see his real stuff. Also, he should bat clean up so Votto will see more fastballs. Also, he shops at T J Maxx.
by Brian B on Mar 23, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It all makes sense now.
I think I’m driving to TJ Maxx after work.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I thought you were in shcool
Did the LB make you get a job as well, so she could live life at the level at which she is accustomed?
Potential doesn't win games.
fucking skanks
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I've had this job-
Since summer- way back when I was dating that girl from prom. I’m quite glad that we broke up now… LB is about 400 billion times better. Maybe more.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
The Girl from Prom...
Sounds like a great name for a horror flick or a porno excursion
Potential doesn't win games.
Hey what is this job anyway...
If you wre closer you could be my wheel man and get 40% of the take from every Bank Robbery I pull off.
Potential doesn't win games.
i thought i was going to be your wheel man...
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh you say you love me...
And you say you want to be my wheel man
but can I really believe you…you also say you live in Chicago and that you are a soon to be famous history dude…
Until I see your .38 special and the get-a-way car…I am forced to keep my options open.
Potential doesn't win games.
soon to be famous history dude?
you flatter me. I wish you were grading me, writing my letters of recommendation, worked in Harvard’s Ph.D admissions, and was an executive for a publishing company.
I will be in Ohio for most of this summer.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 24, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Working at the
USDA ARS Biological Control of Insects Research Labs. Hence getting to play with bugs :P
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Better enjoy it while it lasts
Once you’re married, less playing with bugs
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the girl from prom thing
sounds like me 3 years ago.
You are so young, it is adorable.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I say the same thing about you....
obc says the same thing about me……..Madville says the same thing about obc.
Like grains of sand through an hourglass…..
(cue music)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
so i'm goign to be you, then OBC then Madville?
I don’t know how i feel about that…
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be worse
You could turn into Ash.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
let's not forget
AC was originally a first baseman so he clearly knows how to hit a baseball. Most players do but how many pitchers truly do hit better than .088 anyhow? I should hope they can get him the bunting work he probably does need. I bet this guy is a complete adventure on the bases!!!
that is 3, (count ’em) exclamation marks.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
So..
This is essentially the lineup for Game 3 of the season? (except for Chapman…maybe)
Miguel Cairo for infield utility!
For sure, Leake looks out of the mix
no big surprise, though, yet, on that.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
I know I'm a Maloney cheerleader
but the guy has had 2 good appearances, one bad appearance, and one mediocre to bad appearance. Dusty even admitted that Maloney seems to be a slow starter. So we lets go through the options.
Lehr-AAAA talent, we know what we are going to get, lets move on. Leave him in Louisville just in case the Reds are a little stretched for pitching later in the season.
Maloney-Great minor league track record, nothing else to prove after 2 years in AAA. He is 26 so it is time to see what he has. Limited stuff but seems to know how to make it work for him.
Wood-Phenomenal season last year. Limited AAA experience but has been a professional since 2006. His experience is comparable to Cueto’s in 2008.
Leake-No professional experience beyond AFL. Lets see how he does in AA and AAA before putting him in the big league rotation.
Chapman-No American experience. Electric stuff.
I gotta say Maloney and to a lesser extent Wood are the safe choices, as they both have extended minor league experience and potential upside.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Lehr jet
I don’t sense a lot of love for Lehr and maybe part of that is justified.
But I think that the improved defense the Reds bring to the park this year can get us through 5 or 6 innings with this guy as our No. 5 arm. What I would like to avoid, like that as possible as not, is to not have our 5 guy up against the other team’s ace. Seems like that happened too often last year, or was I just imagining that?
But I like Maloney for the time being as well.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
Lehr wouldn't be the worst 5th starter in baseball
I don’t mind him working in AAA, and a potential call up if somebody is hurt. Yet Maloney probably won’t pitch any worse than Lehr and may turn out to be much better.
I look at this in the same vein as a view Wlad v Nix for the 5th outfielder spot.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 22, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But it doesn’t look like Dusty and the brass see it that way
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well we should buy the Reds
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 22, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I just checked ebay
It doesn’t look like we can buy them
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sure they are
Reds for sale
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
Lehr should only pitch @ the MLB level if you've had 5 injuries to your existing staff
I’d rather have Kip Wells than Lehr
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Maloney is my favorite option right now, too.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It appears that the 5th starter will have a one syllable name
Not Wells
Not Lehr
SLYDE
Potential doesn't win games.
Yep so is Lehr
My choice is;
SLYDE
68 mph fastball
49 mph slurve
44 mph drop
He’s unhittable.
Potential doesn't win games.
Maybe your wife threw it and you owe her one?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Mar 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can say for sure
back in my day as a kid, I could easily throw 68.
Now that was underhand.
So the radar gun, which hadn’t been invented yet, could tell no secrets.
I was not unlike Steve Nebraska, just for comparison’s sake.
The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan
I are so bored...
Lalalala. Rhubarb. Cacafuego! Cinematic!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Gotta keep that google search rating high
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
we made it up the the number one cuaffle search
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 23, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm most excited by the fact that crolfer's SBnation page shows up 5th
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
yet he is the number one cuaffle in our hearts.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 24, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Waffle?
You can have male waffles too…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
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