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Five Things the Reds Need to Have Happen to Have a Winning Season


I don't know if it's because I immersed myself in the 1990 Reds for 3 months or if it's because the Reds didn't make any glaring mistakes during the off-season, but I find myself being ridiculously optimistic about the upcoming season. Don't get me wrong, I still don't have delusions of playoffs, but I feel like this team actually can be something more than a stepping stone for other team.

The reason for this is run prevention. One thing I learned from the '90 team is that you can have a mediocre offense and still be a good team. Those Reds were only league average on offense, but they led the league in run prevention. This was done through some very good pitching, led by Jose Rijo and the league's best bullpen, and some quality, though not incredible, defense.

How does this apply to the current team? Well, if they are going to be successful, it will have to be through excellent run prevention. Luckily, they are in position to improve in that area, but it's going to require a couple of things:

1. Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto make "the leap." They don't have to be aces, but both pitchers need to take the flashes of brilliance that they've shown and put them together for an extended period of time. I think people may forget how good Cueto was during the first half last year. Through his first 16 starts, he was averaging 6.5 innings per start and only allowing 3.2 runs per 9 IP, with 11 quality starts. He was due for a bit of a drop-off though as his FIP was 4.25 in that span. The big concern for Cueto in 2009 was his drop in strikeouts. Specifically batters only swung and missed at 7% of his pitches, compared to 10% in 2008. If can get those numbers back up and continue to maintain his control, he could become a dominant pitcher. Hopefully new pitching coach Bryan Price will help get him there.

As for Bailey, he just needs to keep doing what he was doing over the last two months of 2009. His FIP over his last 9 starts was 3.06. If he can get within 50 points of that in 2010, the Reds will be in very good shape. The important thing for Bailey is that he needs to be pitch efficient. Pitching deeper into games without throwing more pitches will help save the bullpen and will hopefully set the Reds up for success later in the season.

Star-divide

2. Jared Burton needs to get back some mojo. With Francisco Cordero, Nick Masset, and Arthur Rhodes, the Reds have a solid back of the bullpen, but bullpens can be volatile. They really could use another pitcher to step up and be dependable. Daniel Ray Herrera will likely be a LOOGY, and isn't the style of pitcher you want as a stopper typically. So that really leaves Burton as the best hope. He showed signs of returning to form after coming off of the DL due to fatigue issues last August. In the season's final two months, Burton posted a 2.35 ERA with 19 strikeouts and 6 walks in 23 innings. Those numbers were much more in line with what he had done in 2008. If he can continue to pitch like that, the Reds could have one of the best bullpens in baseball.

3. Orlando Cabrera needs to be better defensively. According to 2009 UZR numbers, the Reds have no terribly weak spots defensively except shortstop (and LF when Jonny Gomes is playing). If Orlando Cabrera is going to be the everyday shortstop, then he must perform better at the position than he did in 2009 when he posted a -15 runs, according to UZR. I expect that he will be better than that -15 number, but the question is how much. If he can get back to break-even, the Reds should still be solid in the field. If he's at +5, then things could be looking really good for the Reds' run prevention. If he sticks in the negative, and Baker never uses Janish for defensive replacement, then there might be some problems. Shortstop is one of two positions on the field (center field is the other) where I consider defense to be the primary measure for success. If the Reds aren't getting at least average defense there, then the Cabrera signing is a big waste of money, if you ask me.

On offense, the Reds have two key players in my mind. Well, all of their players are key, but these two guys will be big determinants in what sort of success they have this year.

4. Jay Bruce, please become a superstar. I don't ask for much, but I do know that if Jay Bruce doesn't break out in 2010, the Reds have little to no shot of putting an average offense on the field. This isn't a "challenge year" for him. I won't consider him a bust if he only puts up a 100 OPS+ or only hits 20 HR. He's still only 23. But I'm fairly certain that the Reds won't score enough runs to be successful if Bruce doesn't take a major step forward offensively this season. They just don't have enough weapons without him being one of the top 30 or 40 offensive players in baseball.

5. Scott Rolen, don't get old yet - Rolen batted .272/.366/.404 with the Reds last year. All of the other Reds thirdbasemen batted a combined .217/.305/.328. Having Rolen in the lineup "everyday" should be an immediate improvement to the offense. Last season was his best offensive year in the last three, and his 128 games was the most he'd played in since 2006. Sure the Reds have a couple of options in Louisville that might be able to fill Rolen's shoes if he goes down, but the team already has enough ifs. What they really need is a solid 135+ games out of Rolen. If he can do that, we might see a big bump in the offensive production of the team.

Sure there are other ifs and questions, but to me, these are the five that are most important to the Reds in 2010. If all 5 of them happen, the Reds could be a good team. If none of them happen, then we'll be looking forward to 2011 in June.

Poll
Which young player's development is the most important for the Reds' success in 2010?
Homer Bailey
359 votes
Jay Bruce
806 votes
Aroldis Chapman
84 votes
Johnny Cueto
100 votes
Drew Stubbs
151 votes

1500 votes | Poll has closed

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FWIW

I think you can make an argument that Stubbs is more important than Rolen, but with Rolen’s age and contract, I think it is more imperative that he is successful this year. Stubbs just has to be better than Pattaveras.

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I was going to add CF and LF

To me, Stubbs/Dickerson need to not just be better than 2pitchatbat-averas, they need to be at least league average offensively. (Not average for CF, average period: OPS+ 100)

In LF, we just need an average offensive LF with average defense. This item is least important out of everything already mentioned, I’m just afraid that there’s a possibility of this position being the black hole this year, despite the small army of candidates.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think my uncle

broke his pattaveras once.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Mar 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a phrase we can coin

Pattaveras = anger, ranging toward road rage, about Reds center fielders.

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Luckily, they are both PattaGONia.

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

that's 1 rec

for subtle truth!!

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

My mind went to dinosaurs, as in “I’m pretty sure the Pattaveras is extinct.”

by the finest muffins on Mar 2, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the trick

is to find a recent picture of a ballpark.
fairly contemporary Pattaveras photos are pretty common.

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

fake!!!!

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 2, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Then where is the cowboy riding the dino-saddle?

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

idiot

people rode dinos bareback. the saddle wasnt invented yet in dino times.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, petey

everybody knows that.

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

because it leaves skid marks only He can see.

And God loves poop jokes! He practically invented them!

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he invented poop.

And he invented jokes. So he really double-invented poop jokes.

IAN! I'm on traain!

by andromache on Mar 2, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Wheter he invented poop jokes or he double-invented poop jokes...

then I need to have a word with him.

I have two preschoolers who are trying to insert a poop joke into every possible facet of conversation at every waking moment. Hundreds of them. And none of them are funny. At all.

Petey’s “Bareback skidmarks” is the friggin’ ‘Passage to India’ of poop jokes compared to the duds I’m hearing all day long.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But Petey's like Justin Lehr: his poop jokes have come as far as they ever will.

Where your kids are like Juan Duran – with years of potential in front of them.

IAN! I'm on traain!

by andromache on Mar 2, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hey alan! What's brown and sticky?

a stick!!

why, what were you thinking?

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by bbjones on Mar 2, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This Old Man

He played one
He played with poop
On my bum
With a knick-knack-paddywhack give a dog a poop…

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Why did the Gym Teacher smell bad?

Because after running around all day, he was pooped!

heheh heh heheheheheh

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I always knew I was Jesus

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by jch24 on Mar 6, 2010 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Slyde, askin' the tough poll question

IMO, Chapman isn’t important in 2010, but VERY important for 2011 and beyond.

Our offense sucks something awful, but if our pitching improves and enjoys the luxury of the good D behind it, then maybe we have a chance. That being said, I think it’s more important for Cueto or Bailey to have better development in 2010.

We need Cueto to continue to rise to the cream of the crop, and it’d be nice if Bailey followed suit, but I think it’s more important for Bailey to personally build on his last 9 or so starts of 2009. Being that Bailey’s currently at the back of the rotation, I think it’s more important for Cueto to ascend as a TOR SP.

All this typing and babble just to say “Cueto”.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

My thoughts

A lot of this is just irrational blithering, as I am wont to do.

1. Bailey and Cueto are already where they need to be. They just need to stay healthy and perform at a steady pace. These guys won’t win the Cy Young, though I don’t think it’s off Homer’s radar. Keeping them in balance means not having to endure 6-game losing streaks.
2. The Burton issue is irrelevant to me. He’s too easily replaced.
3. Cabrera’s defense, yes, needs to be solid. But I think he also needs to hit well, since Dusteroo intends to bat him high in the order.
4. Bruce is the key to this offense. Without him, the Reds have 2 consistent bats. Not enough. You need 3 at least, often 4. You get lucky and get 4, you win the game.
5. Rolen needs to perform well to make the trade look good. That will make the fans happy, even though E5 is one of the most forgettable Reds ever. It was about the wisdom of signing an “old guy” that bothers some fans.

A lot of this is genuinely about image, IMHO. The perception that the team has turned the corner is so so so very important to the fans. Obviously, the Reds need to aim a little higher than “better than last year.” I would think a playoff contention team would do wonders. They don’t need to win — yet.

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I voted Cueto. I’d rank them Cueto, Bruce, Bailey. It’s tight, but the Reds really need an ace starter if they are going to compete, and I think Harang and Arroyo are past that point.

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I think Bailey is more likely to be ace quality this year than Cueto

Just my humble opinion, though.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Slyde girds himself for today's first illustrated reply.

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

How do you define ace, other than WAR?

Bailey has better stuff, and is more durable.

Cueto’s control is (usually) better, and they both K about the same amount of guys.
OPS+ last year were almost identical (I know, I know, sample size)

Bailey is more likely to take significant steps forward this year, IMHO. That’s why I see him as having more ace potential. But FTR, I think both will OPS+ right around 105 to 110.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

meant ERA+ in both cases

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that you think what you think because Bailey ended the season well

and so you have a more recent positive memory of him.

I have always (over the last 4 years) thought that Cueto was the better pitcher. Maybe not better stuff, but a better pitcher. I think Cueto has been teetering on the edge of awesome the last two years and I think he’ll be like totally awesome this year.

I’m interested to see what happens with Bailey when he hits a bump again.

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't trust Cueto to be good for a whole season

I think he’s destined, winter ball or no, to long stretches of mediocrity mixed in with the brilliance.

Perhaps Bailey is in the same boat, but he seems more likely to put up a 4-5 WAR season at some point.

And no, I’m not really high on Bailey just because of the 9 starts. Obviously that helps, but I just think if he can lower his walks a bit, he can be dominant this year.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

beyond just thinking that ...

… I would like to be one who goes around saying that’s likely to happen.
I don’t actually see these guys pitch since I live 245 Zip codes from the ballpark. Why do you actually think that about Cueto, Slyde?

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Cueto put up better numbers in the minors

Similar strikeouts, much fewer walks, similar home runs. There’s a reason that Cueto’s been the majors for 2 years and Bailey is just starting to get established.

Maybe Bailey has a higher ceiling – I’m still not sold on Bailey as a pure ace, but he could still be better than Cueto – but I think it take more than 2 months of baseball to change my opinion on who is the better pitcher. I think Cueto’s struggles last year were due to fatigue. I’m hoping that he’s refreshed to start this season and maybe we’ll see a little more zip back on his fastball.

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

so my next question

really standing on the edge of the plank.
In two years, assuming health and a full season, who is most likely to be “sought after” by the Lords of Baseball (aka, big market teams)?

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

that really depends

I think Bailey’s size makes him more attractive. If both pitchers remain healthy, they could still go down very different paths. If both are #2 quality pitchers, they’ll probably both have a field day on the market, but it should be 4 years before we get to that point, actually.

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

so ... then

Let’s win now!

I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I agree with Slyde that Cueto is the better pitcher. And I actually think Cueto has the better stuff of the two. He has serious movement on his fastball, a very good changeup for an out pitch against either righties or lefties, and a serviceable breaking ball. Bailey may have slightly better velocity, but it’s much straighter, and his secondary stuff is all average at best. On top of that, I think Cueto has a much better idea of what he’s doing on the mound as well.

I also attribute his later-season struggles to fatigue from pitching like all year round. I think he is due for a consistently good season, even though he sometimes goes into mental ruts.

I hope they both pitch like solid #2 or 3 pitchers though. We might actually contend.

by kcgard2 on Mar 2, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bailey had some MLB struggles last year

Between July 16 and August 18 Bailey started 7 games, threw 32 innings, only struck out 17 while he walked 13. His ERA in that stretch was 9.19. He came roaring back to life to finish the season.

I think he has proved he can struggle but get himself back on track.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

and after more thought

it is really important for Bailey to avoid 7 game stretches with an ERA over 9.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's a great sig line. :)

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

5 confirmed kills?

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by bbjones on Mar 2, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue Max'ed

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Offense might suck a bit, but not something awful.

3B, SS, and CF should all be better than last year. 1B, 2B, C, RF should all be about the same or a bit better. (All Reds RF put up an .816 OPS last year. Bruce can do better, but who knows by how much)

The only real question is LF, but Reds LFers only OPSed .721 last year. That’s pretty terrible, so I’m hopeful they can improve on that. Offense shouldn’t be too bad.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Only guys I trust to provide offense are Rolen & Votto

Guys I think should be offensively productive:

Phillips
Bruce
Dickerson
Hanigan

Guy I think could be offensively productive:

Gomes
Frazier
END
Balentien

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I trust Phillips to put up an OPS of .775 or better

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

BP has been more or less the same guy since he's been here

750-800 OPS, good defense, twenty-some steals. I’m willing to pencil that in again.

by ken on Mar 2, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys whose production can be expected to be offensive:

Paul Janish
Laynce Nix
Corky Miller

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 2, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nix Will kill off the Bench

He’s the only LH hitter with any punch on the bench

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 2, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

C-Dick feels snubbed by you.

He may post here at any time, you know. He’s a lurker.

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Just awesome.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 2, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But he logs on more than almost any of them.

Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted Bruce

But I really don’t think a big year from Bruce will matter (for anything beyond his personal development) if Bailey and Cueto don’t throw at least 180 innings with an ERA+ of 100-110.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

I voted for Bruce,

but I think Homer Bailey’s continued progress is really important too. The offense was so weak last year, though, that it needs the most direct improvement. If Bruce could hit for a decent average and supply some power, it would make a huge difference. A little more danger in that lineup for opposing pitching will help quite a bit.

by Red_Poodle on Mar 2, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Bruce, no question for me.

Yeah, the young staff needs to improve and the defense needs to at least repeat last year’s quality, but without a productive Bruce, this team has no hope of scoring very many runs.

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Would Volquez's

return- early and awesome- have big implications for this team as well?

Or do we have the depth that we will be fine without him and his return only makes the big contracts of Harang and Broyo more expendible.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Mar 2, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

I want the Reds to be really conservative with Volquez

I see no reason for him to start this year. Let him do a little relief work to get his feet wet and only allow him to throw fastballs and change ups. That will work for one inning at a time. Also don’t let him pitch on back to back days.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 2, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I still have nightmares about Jose Rijo

He was pitching full speed, sliders and forkballs in March of 1996 after Tommy John Surgery in August of 1995.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

We better be fine without him, because I wouldn't count on him being an effective starter this year

or maybe (wait for it) ever.

His control was marginal before the surgery, and while TJ doesn’t necessarily hurt velocity, it often hurts control for a while. Add to that his painful delivery, and who knows when or if he’ll be effective again?

I’m hopeful, but writing him into the 2011 rotation is very premature at this point.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

5 more things than needs to happen

1. This team is pretty thin and cannot afford any long term injuries, especially to any of the starting rotation, Votto, BP, Rolen or CoCo
2. Hernanadez and Hanigan must remain healthy as well – can’t win with Corky
3. By mid season a successful #5 starter has to be discovered/found.
4. The outfield can’t be iffy – Gomes has to play some D, Stubbs is still question mark and if C-Dick is the #4 guy he needs to have his head on straight.
5. Frazier, Miles, Jannish and Nix need to be on the bench with C-Dick. Frazier and Nix for their bats, C-Dick and Jannish for their gloves and Miles because of his versatileVPness.

So that ’s at least 10 things…just for a winning season…

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 2, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Batting Orlando second needs to change quickly

Defensively subbing in Janish in the 7th or 8th inning when we’re winning makes sense EVERY TIME if Janish can perform in the field off the bench.

Of course, it makes a lot more sense if Janish is batting 7 and not 2 after insertion into the lineup. Since he’d have to be 2, I hope Dusty pulls off those crazy double switches when possible to get Janish’s glove on the field late in games.

by Jake Liscow on Mar 2, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

okay, so get over that first part now. Cabrera will hit second, because he is fast and a SS

If that is gonna drive you crazy, then see a doctor now. you can post everyday how it shouldn’t happen, but it will. Learn to be Zen about it, jsl

by timb116 on Mar 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

thank good for my klonapin

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually Dr. Good

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I asked for it after finishing Fay's post and wishing

that I had “learned to be an RBI man.” My life would be so different if I had understood at a young age that i was supposed to get hits with runners on base….I just never knew.

the Xanax will help

by timb116 on Mar 2, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he will hit second.

But that doesn’t mean I can’t bitch about it until the season starts and I become apathetic!

by Jake Liscow on Mar 2, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually me telling you to bitch about

and Dusty batting him second over your objections (and common sense) are perfectly analogous.

So, I will let you bitch and just know that at some I agree with you. But, man, line-up talk gets boring.

that is reason number one to not renew Dusty’s contract: so I don’t have to read constant criticisms of his terrible line-ups. Save me, Dusty! Just resign

by timb116 on Mar 2, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

VPness

is funny to say out loud

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 2, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

F-

reply to Mads

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

F minus...F minius

F I can understand but F-…
What don’t you like about my post…I mean there must be something you don’t care for…

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 2, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 2, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't answer when you hit reply.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Egg Zactly

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand reply

it is what you do whe your deck starts to rot.

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 3, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

"deck starts to rot"

I read that differently the first time.

by Brian B on Mar 3, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

All this talk of what needs to happen, and the team is full of IFs, etc.

Let’s not forget that often players far exceed our expectations.

Who would’ve expected Jo-eh’s year last year? Or Gomes? Or Arroyo’s second half complete dominance? (sample size issues and luck work both ways.)

So it’s entirely possible Old Chap is the real deal and is worth 3 WAR this year, same with Bailey. Or what if Bruce completely breaks out and OPSes .950? What if Frazier or Heisey or Wlad get their chance in LF, figure it out, and OPS .850?

Just sayin’, in addition to all the IFs, there are probably at least 1 or 2 pleasant surprises waiting for us this season as well.

(Hooray for ST optimism!)

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by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

I can remember

Steve Carlton won 27 games for a turkey operation and the following year, lost 20 games.
Not exactly a small sample size on the guy’s career.
Just sayin’, as folks are fond of sayin’.

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by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And then there's EdE disappearing

and Bruce struggling. And Volquez getting injured.

(Boo for regular season realities.)

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I get it, I'm just pointing out that those claiming "everything has to go right" for a +.500 season

are often ignoring things that will go righter than they anticipate.

(It don’t get no righta!)

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by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Typical american hubris.

Just because he went to Canada doesn’t mean he disappeared.

IAN! I'm on traain!

by andromache on Mar 2, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

1969'ed

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm nothing, if not an ugly American

I like Canada though. I sew their flag on my backpack when I go to Europe.

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Go to Europe?

Oh, your one of those.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck of.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Russian?

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Those 1990 Reds

were built to win in the postseason. In “Baseball Between the Numbers” by Baseball Prospectus, they had a chapter on “the secret sauce,” which is the key elements of teams that win in the postseason. The 1990 Reds scored as one of the best ever in this regard.

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, now you tell me.

I’ve already turned in all of the chapters.

Damnit, I knew I should have read that book..

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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually they rated all 180 playoff teams from 1972 to 2005

Of 26 variables, three factors were identified as having the “most fundamental and direct relationship” with playoff success.

1. Closer WXRL (wins above replacement)
2. Pitcher strikeout rate
3. FRAA (Fielding runs above average)

The highest ranked team based on these three factors was the 1979 Orioles, who actually lost the World Series to the Pirates (who ranked No. 6)
No. 2 was the 1990 Reds, and the four teams right behind them also won the WS: 2001 D’Backs, 1998 Yankees, 1984 Tigers. Then its the 79 Pirates, followed by the 1979 Mets, 02 Angels, 1995 Indians and 1978 Yankees. (1979 had some good teams, other than the Reds…see below)

None of the 10 worst teams made the World Series.
171. 1979 Reds
172. 1981 Brewers
173. 1996 Orioles
174. 1981 Expos
175. 1995 Rockies
176. 1974 Orioles
177. 2000 Athletics
178. 1989 Blue Jays
179. 2005 Red Sox
180. 1997 Giants

Those are all the teams listed, so I don’t know where the Big Red Machine rated.

Money quote from the chapter, entitled “Why doesn’t Billy Beane’s shit work in the playoffs?”:

“Some of these teams, like the 1984 TIgers and 1998 Yankees, were powerful clubs that had a lot going for them anyway. But this helps to explain the success of teams like the 1990 Reds, an unimpressive squad that happened to have the perfect combination of talents for postseason play, including their fine defensive and the Nasty Boys bullpen…”

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that

Supposedly, it’s because defense and power pitching are more reliable than offense and finesse pitching. With the short post-season, luck plays a much bigger role than in the regular season.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 2, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And I voted Homer

Pitching, pitching, pitching. If Bruce doesn’t take a huge leap, that can be made up in other ways.

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

how?

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by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

several small leaps?

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Still easier to find some offense

The Reds have more depth of offensive talent that could step in than pitching. The Reds already have issues at No. 5 starter. Bailey doesn’t come through, then that’s 2/5ths of the rotation. Chapman can’t be counted on until at least midseason.

I just think a bad year by Bruce hurts the team less than a bad year by Homer.

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

compared to the rest of the NL

Is Reds pitching better/worse/about the same?

Is Reds hitting better/worse about the same?

Is Reds “intangibles” better/worse/about the same?

My .06 cents worth says that if we don’t score at least 5 runs most days, we get beat.
That established on my POV, we need Bruce to step up more than we need Bailey to step up.

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by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolen, from a defensive perspective.

if he gets hurt, our left side is going to be pretty shaky. we might be able to replace his bat, but that glove and arm are one-of-a-kind. even if he’s tanking at the plate i’ll sleep better knowing his defense isn’t going anywhere. i’d see it as a major step backward if we have to insert francisco or frazier in there.

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think Frazier could hold his own, as long as the injury didn't happen in April.

Francisco would be a disaster.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows?

F-

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

dude you got me all wrong.

the F- was directed to me and my failure to reply to your comment.

i laughed at this

….their gloves and Miles because of his versatileVPness

because if you say it aloud it sounds like you’re saying “penis”. i’d give that at least a B. B for you, F- for me… ya dig?

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 2, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

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by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure he digs.

As if you could find his reply to this comment! :P

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching Braves-Mets on MLB Network

Seen two at-bats of Jason Heyward, and already in love (He’s on my fantasy baseball team in the minors). First at-bat, showed a good eye and walked. The second at-bat, he rocketed a single to right field.

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Did not you see the drives that Slyde was hitting in Goodyear

how do I get him on my fantasy team – baseball that is

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 2, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You can get Slyde in a trade

Patterson, and/or Taveras, or Milton and Corky.
Either of those can swing the deal.

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by johnu1 on Mar 2, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Your fantasy baseball team has a minor league affiliate?

Man, this IS a nerdy site.

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by jch24 on Mar 2, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah I can just keep six minor leaguers

Not a full roster….so only slightly nerdy

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And Heyward

just stole third base. Dude’s going to be a beast.

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Hooray for spring training stats!

/still agree with you

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by nycredsfan on Mar 2, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm as big a stat nerd as anyone

But this is the first time I’ve actually got to see Heyward play. He definitely passes the eye test. And to think, the Braves drafted him one slot ahead of the Reds…who took Mesoraco….Now I’m sad.

Would the Reds have taken Heyward if he’d fallen to them?

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by cesarhernandez on Mar 2, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont know

taking Bruce, Stubbs, and Heyward in back-to-back-to-back years doesnt sound like the Reds. but damn, that looks like a fine OF.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's tough to say this

but I think I’d take Heyward over Jay Bruce. I’m on record as saying Mesoraco is a bust (yes, already). That was a bad pick.

by kcgard2 on Mar 2, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

already?

Mesoraco was a bad pick the day he was selected.

by 'tHan on Mar 2, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

man, this width thing is annoying

I swear, the narrow version looks narrower than it used to.

Maple bats are being banned in the minor leagues. Guinea pigs for the big leagues. They’re also slightly changing the shape of the bats, to make them less likely to break.

Josh Hamilton will miss the exhibition opener and is “out indefinitely” with a bruised shoulder.

Miguel Cabrera says he’s not an alcoholic. He doesn’t drink any more, but he insists he’s not an alcoholic.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 2, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

Are you getting that too?

I always had it set to wide, and then in the last day or two, it reverted to narrow. And if I set it to wide, then open up a different thread, it goes back to narrow. Annoying indeed!

by Brendanukkah on Mar 2, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone's been griping about it

Slyde says he put in a ticket.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 2, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wow! this is amazing!

Looks like they fixed the glitch? I never realized this wide version existed until today. It’s a whole new world of Red Reporter.

by the finest muffins on Mar 2, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Subject line TWSS?

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by jch24 on Mar 2, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

(takes seat next to Mads, John, & Groove)

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by jch24 on Mar 2, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

o hai

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 2, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say Bruce

he plays every day. Cueto has already proven he can be a MLB SP. Bailey is pretty darn close to proving it—but even so—he’d only be our #4 pitcher. Bruce has not yet proved he deserves to be a starting RF. Not that I’m down on him. I expect great things. But if he continued to put up the same numbers at the plate every year, he would not start in this league for very long.

by cokane on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Coupla things..
  • Bailey might be ‘our #4’ in that he’s going to pitch the day after our #3 pitcher and also the day before our #5, but if he’s able to do 25-30 times in 2010 what he did in his last nine times out in 2009 (yes, four of those nine starts were against the Pirates) he’ll likely have outpitched Harang and/or Arroyo. (That might not be very likely but it sure is fun to talk about a 23 year-old doin’ it.)
  • Bruce is a major league right fielder. He can’t yet hit lefties and he can’t do much at all in any at-bat when he’s down to his last strike but he’s 22 and as long as your team’s not just supposed to win World Serieses every year and/or is saddled with a big contract for an aging veteran, Jay Bruce’ll right field for ya.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The NL average OPS with 2 strikes was .532 in 2009

Bruce was .631. Only 4 players on the Reds with more than 20 ABs with 2 strikes had a higher OPS than Bruce.

My point is that everybody sucks with 2 strikes. Good 2-strike hitters bat .230 with 2-strikes.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, but..

at some point we have to concede something to cokane’s premise that a team has to expect a certain amount of production from their right field position. Jay is better than your average NL hitter with two strikes but how does he compare against right fielders? (If you would, please.)

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm hoping you are not asking how he hits with 2 strikes compared to other RF

because that’s some serious overkill.

Jay Bruce’s OPS+ compared to other RF in 2009 was 92. So, he was a little below the average NL RF. He obviously needs to improve. I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t say that. And I dedicated a whole bullet point to that in this post.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

No no, I read it.

Guess I didn’t realize that it was your bullet point. There was no real statistical analysis in it so I thought maybe it was posted by a league average blog moderator.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Slyde comes in at a 117 MOD+.

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball Prospectus says this about Jay
Baseball Prospectus on Jay Bruce: “He’s just a baby and he hit 22 home runs in an off year,” a scout said. “Imagine what he’s going to do when he’s healthy. This kid has tremendous power and he’s already advanced enough that he hits them out to all fields because he knows how to turn on inside pitches and he is strong enough to go the other way with balls on the outer half of the plate. What we’ve seen of him is strictly the tip of the iceberg. PECOTA also feels Bruce is ready to bust out, projecting him to hit .275/.342/.520 with 32 home runs in 620 plate appearances.”

I’d take that slash line. then again, Jay has “always” performed to the 10% level of their PECOTA projections, so I think they owe me a 90%. Something like .375/.442/.620. Give me Ruth, BP, or I want my 4.95/month back!

by timb116 on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Jay's PECOTA suffered the pain of poor minor league equivalencies

It’s the same thing that happened to Matt Wieters last year. PECOTA probably set the expectations a little bit too high for Bruce, though I think they are a little bit closer to realistic this season, assuming he doesn’t have the gawd-awful luck he had last year.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

ala Drew Stubbs

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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 3, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

what could possibly go wrong?

BaseballHQ (Ron Shandler’s gang) is guessing Coco.

His K/9 is trending way down, K/BB is not good. Last year he had something like 3% of his fly balls go for home runs; most pitchers level out at about 10%. He has always survived on a high strand rate, but if his K-rate goes down much more and his HR/fly rate comes back to normal, he’s not going to be stranding those guys.

Here’s most of the data.

So, just to be a Debbie Downer, I’ll predict that if Coco is as bad as that, he could cancel out any of the above choices doing well.

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by bbjones on Mar 3, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

You bring up a good point.

Because even if the Reds’ offense is much improved over recent years, we shouldn’t expect to be very often be leading 5-2 and 6-2 going into the ninth.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

So, can Masset do the job?

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by johnu1 on Mar 3, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.

by Madville on Mar 3, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

where is majewski?

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 3, 2010 3:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I predict Aarong Harang to throw a no hitter in 2010.

Mark it down!

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 3, 2010 3:48 AM EST reply actions  

Don't you mean Harnann?

A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 3, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That's just Aarong!

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