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Farmers Only: Prospects on the Hot Seat

Now THAT'S a hot seat


Now that you all have picked our top 25 prospects and the pre-season is underway, we'd like to highlight some prospects on the hot seat for 2010.  These guys make the list for very different reasons, but the common denominator is that they all have a fair amount of pressure on them to perform this season.

Feel free to add anyone else you think belongs on this list in the comments, and vote for the prospect you feel is under the most pressure to perform this season.

In no particular order, your Red Hot (seat) prospects for 2010:

Star-divide

1)  Devin Mesoraco

The term "bust" may be a bit premature for a 21 year old catcher, but there is no denying this is a very important year for the Reds 2007 #1 draft pick.  Unlike many fans, the organization certainly hasn't given up on him, but another poor offensive showing will push him dangerously close to the precipice of non-prospect status.

 

2)  Chris Valaika

Valaika was considered a top prospect before last season, but a losing bout with a water cooler that caused him to miss significant time, and struggles at the plate resulted in a massive drop in his stock.  He's been passed on the SS depth chart by Zach Cozart, and is blocked by Brandon Phillips and maybe even Todd Frazier at 2B.  This season is crucial if Chris wants to stay in the organization's plans for the future.  A good showing at Louisville puts him in line for a possible mid-season callup, but another bad season and he's going to struggle to secure a utility role moving forward.

 

3) Yonder Alonso

Under most normal circumstances this wouldn't be a make or break season for Alonso, and it probably isn't anyway.  Still, withthe organization's recent comments that they don't plan to trade Joey Votto or move him from 1B, Alonso currently stands as a man with nowhere to go.  There are significant questions about his defensive ability anywhere other than 1B, and his other two possible positions, 3B and LF, are currently chock full of other young players trying to make it onto the club.  Alonso really needs to show why he was drafted so high (his bat) and force the team's hand this season. 

 

4)  Matt Maloney

Certainly, Matt Maloney has done nothing wrong in his time with the Reds.  Still, at age 26, Matt really needs to stick on the big club this season or he'll risk becoming obsolete.  There are enough young stud pitchers in the organization that he needs to prove his worth, so at the very least he can be traded to a team that really needs him.  Otherwise, he'll be that much closer to Justin Lehr and Kip Wells territory. 

 

5)  Aroldis Chapman

Speaking of young stud pitchers...Chapman isn't on this list because he risks losing favor with the organization or losing prospect status.  He is on this list for two reasons:  money and hype, and for this he has no one to blame but himself.  He has created so much anticipation and expectation with his contract and spring training performance that anything less than a dominant minors stint followed by a brilliant MLB debut will be considered a disappointment.  Unfair?  Probably, but such is the life of a worldwide phenom.

 

6)  Kyle Lotzkar

Remember him?  Lotzkar struck out 50 batters in 39.3 innings in Dayton as an 18 year old in 2008.  Unfortunately, multiple arm and elbow injuries that required numerous surgeries meant that he missed all of last season.  He will only be 20 this season, but he at least needs to start pitching again and avoid any further injuries.  Otherwise he stands a good chance of never pitching again.

 

7)  Daniel Dorn

The prospect who can't get any love.  He has pretty serious career platoon splits, (.948 OPS against RH, .666 against LH, evil!), but his versatility and his absolute destroying of RH pitching should have earned him at least a chance at a roster spot this season, yet he's already been sent to minor leage camp.  He'll turn 26 in July, and despite being left unprotected in the last rule 5 draft, wasn't selected.  He'll likely never be an everday player, but he can play either corner OF spot and 1B and profiles as a pretty good 4th or 5th OF.  This season seems like his last chance to prove to the Reds that he deserves a roster spot at some point.

Poll
Which prospect is under the most pressure to perform in 2010?
Devin Mesoraco
149 votes
Chris Valaika
72 votes
Yonder Alonso
68 votes
Matt Maloney
84 votes
Arolidis Chapman
117 votes
Kyle Lotzkar
6 votes
Daniel Dorn
12 votes

508 votes | Poll has closed

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Was that intentional?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

*señor.

You can’t just forget the tilde.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must have a PC.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that's a rec

a petty one, but still a rec

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Petty rec'd

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much more timely


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by snohio on Mar 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, one..

Sorry to disappoint..

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by snohio on Mar 16, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our catcher of the futuhhhhhh... Devin Mesoraco

He was #14 on our list in January.

Here’s what was written about him then:

2007 first round pick has yet to show skills at the plate, although his peripherals are improving, and this year’s numbers were likely depressed by the Florida State League. Has improved his line drive rate and isolated power each year in the minors, and walk rate this year was a very solid 10%. Defensively, still a work in progress, but improving: threw out 30% of attempted stealers this year. Still young, but needs to perform in 2010.

Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: 11
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 22
Draft/Acquisition Details: 1st round (15th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)

2009 Statistics:

Sarasota (A+): 92 G, 312 AB, 8 HR, 37 RBI, 0 SB, .228/.311/.381/.692

Does anyone know when and how the decision will be made about where to put him in 2010? If the organization wants to put some pressure on hi, do they start him out in AA or would that be setting up for possible failure. What is usually done in a situation like this where a highly drafted player hasn’t shown that he’s ready to start climbing the ladder but there aren’t any clear options as to what to do with him?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

With the new A+ affiliate, they might give him a shot in a new league where he should be dominant

But my premonition is that they’ll throw him in AA with the “sink or swim” mentality at this point. He realistically needs an all-star caliber season at the plate wherever he goes to keep people excited about his upside.

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by BK on Mar 16, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but he had an all-star season last year!

I think he’s still young enough that he should be kept at A+, but we’ll see what happens. Even if he was a first rounder, he’s still only a few years removed from playing against really weak competition.

by ken on Mar 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I think another 2 months at Lynchburg couldn't hurt

then, if he’s showing good things, let him finish in Carolina.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

He has regained some confidence. Build on that rather than risk a setback. If he had been a college draftee, I’d push harder, but a high school catcher from a cold weather state gets a little more time in my book.

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by Thundering Turtle on Mar 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mesoraco

I just listened to the Redleg Nation podcast with the Mesoraco interview. He seems like a fine person and all, but he sounds like he’s missing the fire that a catching prospect should have. He punted a lot of questions. The catcher he followed most when he was a kid? Jason Kendall. Because he played a lot of games. Decon also saif he didn’t really have a favorite team, either (which I’ll give him a pass on since he grew up in Punxatawny, local to Pittsburgh). He didn’t sound like he took much from his meeting Johnny Bench besides how to break in a glove.

There’s more, but you get the idea. And he gave the interview completely ou of breath like he was on a treadmill the entire time. Very strange. Numbers aside, I can see why an organization or some coaches might not be very high on a player just by the way he carries himself. I just wish someone from the Reds organization took the time to meet Devin before making this pick (Devin said he had no idea the reds were interested until the Red were on the clock).

by Brian B on Mar 16, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

maybe he was on a treadmill

They probably did it via cell phone or something.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devin

Chappy for 2011….if he hasn’t already won ROY and Cy Young

by jacob brumfield on Mar 16, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Love it.

“Rook, you better have a phenomenal season next year. Especially if don’t have one this year.”

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Red Reporter has one but..

..I’ve seen an ‘organizational depth chart’ or two on other sites. Does anyone have a favorite (most trusted.. most recently updated) that they could point me to?

Maybe we could get one of those? I mean.. just in case the Reds win 80 games this year and keep Slyde from shutting this site down.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Doug's at redsminorleagues.com is the best I've seen

linky

Obviously that’s only minor leagers, but you can probably figure out who’s first on the big club.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking about doing one here

I usually keep something similar to keep track of the starting rotations for the leagues, but I could put all that information on a page and keep it somewhere on the site. Is there enough people interested in keeping track of it to make it worth my while?

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by BK on Mar 16, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would look at it all the time.

I think I like the minors as much as anything about the Reds. Especially since there are so many players that I get good feelings about. It’s almost feeling like a top-level college football program in regards to recruiting.

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by coocooforcocoapuffs on Mar 16, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

for me it came down to Maloney and Valaika, i chose Valaika.

lotzkar and dorn were immediate throw-aways since they don’t typically get included in conversations about the future. we don’t have a whole lot invested in them so if they were to break out, it would be a nice surprise (kind of like heisey). if not, we’re no worse off.

mesoraco: close… but in my mind he’s only 21, has no AAA experience, and catchers take longer to develop. if he were 23, maybe… plus we’re in a pretty good situation for the future with hanigan and castillo.
alonso: no… with no AAA experience we can’t tell him to shit or get off the pot.. he’s still very much in the plans and he’s expected have success.
chapman: eh… if he doesn’t crack the MLB roster this year it’s not like we’re going to give up on him.

that leaves maloney and valaika who are starting to get older (for a prospect) and can’t seem to get over that proverbial hump.

maloney has indicated that he can be a competent major leaguer so in my opinion that bought him some time. if he tanks in his 5th spot role (which i think is his to lose), we can send him down to AAA. if he tanks there too, he’s in trouble, but not screwed.

valaika can’t afford to take another shit this year because that will pretty much cement him as a career AAAA 2B. in my opinion, his urgency to turn his career around is much greater than maloney’s. if he OPSs .615 again, he’s in deep shit.

i guess we all might have different meaning for the words “hot seat” but to me it’s like you’re wondering “according to the front office, it is imperative that [NAME] has the best year” rather than “who will the one with the most to prove”.

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by GrooveLeg on Mar 16, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I used the same reasoning

Took Maloney instead though.

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

when you put that much thought into it you sound smart

My thoughts: Devin was drafted in the first round three years ago. Devin has yet to sniff anything above A ball. Seat is hot.

by jacob brumfield on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's a catcher

and he’s progressed just fine through the minors, considering he was drafted out of high school. he spent a short season in rookie league and full seasons in A and A+. he’s fine.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

Plus, with Leake, Chapman, Wood, et al. there is not quite as high a need for Maloney to be really great. And in a perfect world, the 5th starter won’t have it that long anyway with Volquez on the mend. That leaves Valaika for me because Tubby is not a long term option, Frazier may not be a major league shortstop, Cozart looks good, but has not performed as well as Valaika at that level yet, Janish is offensively deficient. So I think there is a greater need for an offensive middle infielder guy to help this club and complement Phillips.

As an aside, I know we drafted his brother, and I don’t think he signed. Did he go back to school?

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by coocooforcocoapuffs on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

do they really think Valaika can handle SS?

I was under the impression that they didn’t think he had to glove to be a major league SS.

And jeez, what an idiot. Missed a big chunk of the season for punching a water cooler?

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they don't, at least not everyday

To me, he’s kind of a better hitting Rosales at this point.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

except the better-hitting part

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the 5th starter won't have it that long?

do you mean at least until August, and probably the entire season?

The Reds would be very foolish to push Volquez.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until August.

Because hopefully Volquez will be able to go at full strength. They better not push him. I assume that’s why Lehr, Wells, Lincoln are getting looks as well in case the young guys can’t hack it just yet.

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by coocooforcocoapuffs on Mar 16, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Reds would be fools to expect Volquez to be at 100% in August

he may be healthy and able to throw 100 pitches, but I doubt he will be effective as a starting pitcher. It usually takes about 18 months for a pitcher to reach pre surgery form. I am not trying to sound like a broken record but honestly the best way to utilize Volquez in 2010 is in relief. He would only need to work on his fastball and change up. He could work on his slider in winterball or instructional league action and be 100% in 2011.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a big season for END, but didn't include him on this list, for two reasons: His youth and his seeming favor within the organization

Still, this is an interesting quote about END, from Dusty, via McCoy:

He still has work to do because he is extremely aggressive," said Baker. "He has a problem with pitch selection, so pitchers start to go out of the zone on him, knowing he’ll chase ‘em. I’m confident he’ll make the adjustment. Those other teams read what you do

That’s pretty encouraging that they recognize his shortcomings.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

If Dusty says he's too aggressive, their must be a problem.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

... *there... Wow. Econ makes me dumb.

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Too aggressive for Mr. “take the bat off your shoulder and don’t clog the bases” is a scary thought.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think there is more pressure on Alonso than we are letting on

this is his last option year. if he doesnt establish himself as a major leaguer this season then he gets himself in a real tight spot.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 16, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

that's a really good point.

did not take that into consideration.

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by GrooveLeg on Mar 16, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, 2011 is his last option year

since they signed him so late in 2008, that year didn’t count. Still, clock’s a tickin’….

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

i read otherwise. i hope youre right.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 16, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was my second choice

It’s presumed that the hamate fracture won’t affect him, but he still needs to show it. Plus he’s got the pressure on him this year to show he can play a different position.

by ken on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, to me this is the pressure

Can he play something other than 1B? If not, his future isn’t with the Reds, in which case the question becomes, will he hit enough to make a trade palatable and worthwhile?

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Yonder

I don’t see Chapman as being under as much pressure though from a front office p.o.v., he is, namely to prove to themselves that they made a wise investment. Chappy has all year to get better and we’ve set his bar fairly low so far. Alonzo is a man looking for a position to play. He needs to learn one.

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by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Drew Stubbs not an option?

He’s still a prospect, and has a shitload to prove in 2010.

I vote Drew Stubbs. Show me something, Robert!

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

He's not a prospect

He’s already had his rookie season.

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by Slyde on Mar 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many PAs again?

around 200?

Just b/c he can’t qualify for ROY magically means he’s no longer a prospect?

I don’t buy it.

I know Jay Bruce has played approximately 2 MLB seasons, but he’s also a prospect to me, largely due to his youth.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're welcome to create your own definitions

but according to the rest of the baseball world, Stubbs is no longer a prospect.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is he no longer a prospect?

He’s proved nothing.

My definition is a youngster not yet fully developed with something left to prove.

200 MLB PAs = no longer a prospect?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to all ranking organizations, yes

See my post above about your being welcome to create your own definitions

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, so it's just for prospect ranking sake?

I mean who here considers Stubbs a finished product?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't consider Janish or Dickerson finished products either

Or Bruce. But their prospect days are behind them.

It’s “Farmers Only” – Stubbs has been harvested from the farm.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 of those guys I disagree

Janish & Dickerson, I think what we see is what we’ll get. Great defense from both, shitty offense from Janish and Dickerson will prove to get on base roughly 38% of the time.

Bruce, I have no clue, aside from his defense. I think he’ll actually improve slightly defensively (reads and routes), and maintain a strong arm. Offensively, I see a .150 OPS window. I think he could be as low as .750, or as high as .900.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

if Dickerson does maintain a .380 OBP

It will be because they aren’t using him against lefties.

His minor league OBP is only .360. While that’s respectable, it’s unusual for it to go up with the jump to the big leagues. Could be he’s a “late bloomer.” Could be a small sample size issue. But I think the most likely explanation is that he’s seeing a lot fewer lefties as a big league bench player than he did as a starting minor leaguer.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 17, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

They shouldn't use Dickerson against lefties

Ever.

Since the majority of pitchers use their right hand to throw, it only makes sense to take advantage of his ability to hit RHP, no?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It does

But that makes him a bench player or a platoon player, not an everyday player. They’re going to have to find someone to take the other 1/4 to 1/3 at-bats. Who is good enough to be better the Dickerson against lefties, but not so good that it makes sense to play him instead of Dickerson.

I don’t think that’s likely. IMO, Dickerson needs to learn to play all outfield positions. If he does, he’ll be a very valuable player, even if he’s not a starter.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 17, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given Gomes's career splits RHP vs LHP it makes sense to platoon him in LF with Dickerson

And I’m fine with that.

I just think we need to lead Dickerson off vs RHP, I don’t care where he plays in the field.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just thought you Kentucky fans should be informed.

Huge investigation by the NCAA going on about the recruiting of your top player. Sorry, guys.

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

The Onion, eh?

All the news that’s fit to print

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely amazing

that they allow this to continue.

The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan

by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll rec anything that insults sorority girls...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the prefered term is

sorostitute

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

With those stats, he wouldn't even be our top player.

Although, he would come in a close second for cuddliest.

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by andromache on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know at my school

we would be very happy if one of our players could lick his own balls.

The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan

by johnu1 on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poorly worded poll question.

Mesoraco is the one I’d consider much more on the “hot seat” in terms of actual consequences should he fail, but I think it’s undeniable that Chapman is under considerably more pressure than Mesoraco.

by Geki on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Friendly ammendment

Can we see the Top 25 on the main page sidebar? I guess it is a little crowded now, but it’d be cool to see the Late Greats followed by the Upncomers.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

That'd be cool!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 birds?

An organizational depth chart with the top 25 highlighted?

by Eastwindquinn on Mar 16, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

stubbs

I think stubbs is on the hot seat. Dickerson, a natural centerfielder with great range, has been tearing it up this spring. It will be hard to keep him out of the lineup and I will be very disappointed if Dusty hands him (Stubbs) the job. He should be destine for AAA, partly because he has options left unlike Balentin. An OF to open the season of Gomes/Balentin in left, Dickerson in CF, Bruce in RF and Nix as the 5th OF would be prudent. Obviously Stubbs has tons more upside, but Nix can play all OF spots and brings another left handed bat off the bench.

by mox on Mar 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed Stubbs is on the hot seat, but he's not a prospect, therefore not eligible for this list

Also, I wouldn’t send him to AAA based on 20 PAs in spring training.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll grant you that Stubbs has not impressed so far in Arizona.

But are you really ready to “be very disappointed” if he gets the job? Dickerson leads the team in hits but we’re talking about 21 at-bats here. Spring Training at-bats. Some of which are against pitchers destined for the low minors (or even the golf course) and others are against MLB pitchers who are sometimes trying harder to work on their pitches than to get actual outs.

That said, I do get the feeling we’re headed to a late-March showdown.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And besides the extremely small sample size

I distinctly remember 2 times Stubbs has stung the ball right at somebody. Also, Dickerson’s first hit yesterday was only a hit because the OF fell down while going after it. His second, the homer, came as the 10th straight hit off of a guy who didn’t record a single out. Not that it shouldn’t count, but this does emphasize that you don’t give a job to someone based on a week of spring games.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree that Spring Training can be smoke and mirrors

but it bears repeating that Dickerson’s minor league and major league numbers to date stack up pretty favorably to Stubbs’. I think Stubbs has wicked upside given his defense, pedigree and ability to hit lefties and righties, but Dickerson has been the better player on merit so far. If that continues, Stubbs leash gets shorter by the week.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 16, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

C-Dick isn't going to start in CF

because they think he can’t hit lefties. They’d have to find someone to platoon with him.

That’s why I think he and Gomes will end up platooning in LF. Their splits complement each other.

Unfortunately, Gomes can’t play CF.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

find a new 4th pitcher

’cause we lost Homer?

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by Cy Schourek on Mar 16, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree this is what will likely happen

but if Wlad stays hot, you’ve got to find a way to work his power into the lineup. A good problem to have.

Wlad and END’s splits also complement Gomes, especially Francisco. I know they want him to play everyday, but Gomes-END would be interesting. Bad defense, but 35+ HR power.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

stubbs is still a prospect by the way. If he were to start the year in AAA would he be a prospect again because he wasn’t in the bigs?

by mox on Mar 16, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

it's semantics

he’s not on any prospect lists because he’s already played his rookie season. It doesn’t mean he’s a proven big leaguer. It just means that he’s not considered a prospect anymore.

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by Slyde on Mar 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stubbs is Jewish?

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, that's why he doesn't get included on lists

call him whatever you want, but there has to be a cutoff somewhere.

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by Slyde on Mar 16, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes since if he's no longer on prospect lists for rankings and what not

as nycredsfan informed me

But IMO, Stubbs is far from a finished product, which is why I’d still consider him a prospect

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

your retarded

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dickerson is so not on the hot seat

Since he’s going to suck something awful as a LF. Not enough stick, and wasting good defense in a position where defense does not matter.

If the Reds were actually still considering Dickerson for CF, then I’d completely agree that Dickerson and Stubbs have plenty to show us.

Jay Bruce, he’s definitely on the hot seat, probably for 2011 also.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we'll see Dickerson vs RHP in LF

Gomes vs LHP in LF

When Stubbs proves to look more like the .700 or below OPS guy, hopefully we’ll see more Dickerson in CF, and more Gomes in LF.

If Stubbs proves to be legit, we might see Dickerson get some time in CF vs RHP on Stubbs’s days off, and then we’ll see Gomes in LF.

Who knows who will be the 5th OF at this point

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

prospect

reply fail…

Bruce is still young, so he can still theoretically improve

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But at the same time, a guy who’s 30 can still improve too.

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon.

I’m trying to imagine a scenario that would have me use the word ‘prospect’ when describing Jay Bruce to another baseball fan in 2010.

I understand the point you’re trying to make but you can not seriously want to be taken seriously if you’re referring to Jay Bruce as a prospect and trying to convince a blogful of Cincinnati Reds fans that Jay Bruce should still be considered a prospect.

It’s a bit like referring to Obama as ‘the junior senator from Illinois.’

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

it’s not either/or. there are descriptors out there for guys in between “prospect” and “grizzled veteran”.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 16, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay Bruce = work in progress?

I don’t know how to label Jay Bruce

I can’t call him a young star, or young stud, b/c he’s neither a star nor a stud. He could be, but up to this point is far from.

Young question mark?

If Jay Bruce was in a BCG Matrix, he’d be a question mark. Far from a cash cow or star, and definitely not a dog.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Young player is too ambiguous

Paul Janish is a young player
Homer Bailey is a young player
Drew Stubbs is a young player

I’m just looking for a term that implies the player still has a high ceiling not yet reached, but is no longer a simple prospect.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Acronyms are awesome. Time for a new one?

How about calling them Players with Unrealized Potential, or young PUPs?

by the finest muffins on Mar 17, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er...

That already stands for “Physically Unable to Perform.” Certainly not the case with these players.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 17, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

About this Stubbs

On the hot seat? I should think so!

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 16, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

How about Juan Francisco

Is this the year he makes the big club? If so, what kind of playing time (At bats) might he get this year?
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by Xeifrank on Mar 16, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

There's nowhere to put him right now

He’s still younger (younger than Bruce at least) and if LF is his future position, he needs time to get comfortable there in Lousville — along with developing a little more discretion at the plate, if possible.

I’d say he has a good shot at coming up if Rolen, Bruce, or Wlad/Dickerson go down – . 150-200 PAs isn’t out of the question as he’ll definitely be up no later than August/September.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yonderiffic

I voted for Mr. Alonso, since I think he’s got multiple things to prove with a shortened window in which to do it.

He’s coming back from a wrist injury while playing a position that requires power hitting, he’s yet to prove he’s a solid defender at 1B, and he’s going to be asked to try other positions in order to stick with the Reds’ organization. Given that we’re still keeping him on the 40 man and is almost out of options (2010, 2011, depeding on who you talk to), and I think it’s paramount that he have a solid year.

Harang, Arroyo, Cabrera, and Clutch-Man-Monie all could be traded at some point this year (depending upon how good or how bad we’re performing) for a playoff-push upgrade or a stock-the-farm reload, and I think Yonder could very well be lumped into a trade to add value to the return. The Reds need him to perform to have other organizations value him as much as we do, so he’s got to be hot from the start this year.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Cabrera's contract is only one year?

I hadn’t thought about trading him in July.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is.

And given the shoddy offensive stats for half the league’s starting SS, if he’s hot and the Reds aren’t, somebody will want him for $1.5 mill pro-rated at the deadline.

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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Mar 16, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a $4 million mutual option for 2011.

$1 million buyout if the Reds decline, $500K if Cabrera does.

by Geki on Mar 16, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAA may be the only place for Stubbs come the end of March. Balentin is out of options, Dickerson, Bruce and Gomes are pretty much locks. That said, again it should and will come down to Nix and Stubbs. I don;t think it would hurt Stubbs one bit to start him down in AAA. Dickerson for years has been teasing us with stints of exceptional play only to get hurt. He never really has had a starting position, though. I truly believe given 45 starts to open the year in centerfield and the leadoff slot could prove to be very productive. I think he has great potential, Stubbs, but I’m sure we will suffer some injuries as every team does and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a move or two with our plethora of minor league left fielders. Stubbs is part of the future, but to say he isn’t a prospect anymore is crazy. I’ve seen Wade Davis, David Price, Neftali Perez, all listed as prospects. Stubbs had a mere 195 plate appearances last season (including walks) which is not nearly a sample size large enough to say he is a major leaguer here to stay. His power numbers were abnormal for him and he is very streaky. I have thought for two years now Dickerson would be the best fit in centerfield and hopefully he gets the chance.

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by mox on Mar 16, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

it’s likely someone will be traded.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hardly knew the old George

Nevertheless, hi, hello and welcome!

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by ken on Mar 16, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry new friend

But i think Nix has no place on this team, we need to stay young.

by Eastwindquinn on Mar 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, we need people who are good at baseball

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by nycredsfan on Mar 16, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

So that rules out the following Reds:

Justin Lehr
Kip Wells (yup, I said his name)
Corky Miller
Chris Burke
Miguel Cairo
Josh Anderson
Mike Lincoln
Ramon Hernandez
Orlando Cabrera
Paul Janish (offensively, at least)
Aaron Miles
Drew Sutton

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're good enough to play it professionally apparently...

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, when you're a bad team like the Reds, we take all walks of life

I don’t know any good teams where any of those guys would be fighting for a roster spot

They’d all be AAA fodder at best.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 16, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it me or you, Quinn?

One of us is missing something.. because..

those teams aren’t good.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 16, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 of those are in the NL Central.

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by crolfer on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are not good teams

So I’d expect that list of guys to actually start for these sorry clubs

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Hernandez, Janish, and Sutton off that list

And add Laynce Nix, Micah Owings, and Mike Lincoln again

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by BK on Mar 16, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you put lincoln on there twice?

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by johnu1 on Mar 17, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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