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Red Reposter - Seriously, Aroldis in the OD rotation?

Bruce, Hanigan go deep, but Reds lose 10-4
Jay Bruce was 2-for-3 and hit a home run to right field with two outs in the second inning. With one out in the third, Ryan Hanigan also hit a homer to right field. But Aaron Harang had a bad day, throwing only 1 1/3 innings and giving up three runs. Matt Maloney didn't help his cause for the fifth spot by allowing four runs in 2/3 innings.  

Mike Lincoln takes the hill against the Angels at 3:05 EST today. Mike Leake will also pitch.

CNATI - Short outing for Harang
Harang said he's changing his mechanics, using his legs more and lengthening his stride.  "Overall, I'm happy with it, but there's still some fine tuning. It's all with the arm-slot," Harang said.  Harang mentioned that he's increasing the stride by six or seven inches.  "I didn’t have the flexibility in my hips." "It's the way I've pitched for so long and all of a sudden to mechanically make adjustments, it's not going to work overnight. I've still got some stuff to work on, but that's what spring's for."

Fay - Bray’s first session good
After missing all of 2009, Bill Bray is looking forward to contributing and hopes to be pitching in games by the end of ST.  Pitching coach Bryan Price doesn't want to push it.  No sense in being hasty - the Reds may need a healthy Bray if DRH or others in the bullpen regress from a strong 2009.

SB Nation's 2010 MLB Previews: Cincinnati Reds, Burdened With Expectations 
Some no-name wet blanket takes a look at the Reds and concludes that several guys will need to outperform expectations for the Reds to contend.  A lot of this sounds very familiar - the author must spend a lot of time lurking here.

 

In case you hadn't heard, Aroldis Chapman wowed the baseball world on Monday.  Here are some of the reactions that haven't yet been posted:

Price on Chapman: I hope he forces our hand
Fay writes: Aroldis Chapman is certainly the story of camp. Some (me included) have him making the club. Reds pitching coach Bryan Price addressed that: "It’s not unrealistic to see (him making the club)," Price said. "But in the same respect, there’s a lot of spring to go. There’s a lot of decisions to be made. I don’t think that decision that’s going to make until we get a lot closer to end, and there’s a lot more involved that performance. But, right now, I hope he forces our hand.  

Sounds like Uncle Walt is taking a more measured approach.  "We can’t let one or two outings sway our decisions," Jocketty said. "I don’t think our position has changed. We’re still evaluating. Our plan is the same. We’ll put him out there every few days and continue to have Bryan (Price) work on things he’s work on. We’re still trying to address the cultural issues (Chapman)  has to deal with. We’ll see how it goes."

Keith Law on Aroldis Chapman - "That'll work"
RL Nation links to Keith Law's scouting report on Aroldis Chapman (full article is subscription only). In terms of mechanics, Chapman takes an enormous stride toward the plate and pronates his arm reasonably early; the arm path isn’t long and there’s no violence or other major red flags in the delivery. If he stays healthy, he’s a No. 1 starter, and should be able to come north with the Reds in some role this year if they want him on the big league roster.

Rob Neyer - Reds' Chapman throws 100 ... a good first step
Neyer also weighed in on Chapman and took a look at some other fireballing lefties of the past.  Vida Blue was one comp that came to mind:  Here's what Roger Angell wrote about Vida Blue, though: "His motion looked to be without effort or mannerism: a quick, lithe body-twist toward first base, a high lift and crook of the right leg, a swift forward stride -- almost a leap -- and the ball, delivered about three-quarters over the top, abruptly arrived, a flick of white at the plate."

Fanhouse - Reds Better Than Yankees for a Change 
Finally, some others are impressed with Chapman's command of both English and his fastball: This Aroldis Chapman thing makes no sense. The guy's fastball is a blur. His motion is wonderfully fluent whenever he takes the mound. 

Strasburg dazzles in spring debut
There's another young pitcher who made his ST debut to much fanfare this week. Top draft pick Stephen Strasburg threw two innings yesterday, allowing no runs, two hits, and striking out two. Unlike Aroldis, he admitted to feeling nervous. He also didn't throw 100! (the slacker only reached 98).  

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I really want to see what happened next in that photo…

by Daedalus on Mar 10, 2010 8:10 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

In my version

the guy in the lower left corner uses the force to levitate the woman and then cuts off her hand with a lightsaber and steals the ball from her.

Yep, my son is really into Star Wars now…

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

"Daddy, is the Force real?" ..No, not really.

“Are midichlorians real?” ..No.

“Are droids real?” ..Mm.. sort of.

“Are Jawas real?” ..No.

“Are burglars real?” ..Yes.

“Are bats real?” ..Yes.

“But vampires aren’t real?”

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a woman?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought it looked like a guy.

Or at least looked like it was a guy.. many bong hits and burritos ago.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely looks more like a guy.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

dude looks like a lady

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Mar 12, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to say

This happened next

Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.

by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

The Haitian earthquake mystery has been solved!

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Mar 10, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I wonder if that author was encouraged by SBN

to change his posting identity to his real name and resisted.

by ol Pete on Mar 10, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

nope

They encourage us to use our real names, but they understand if people choose to not do so for real world reasons.

However, I don’t think they let you post on SBNation.com under a moniker. They didn’t even ask what name to use for the preview piece.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

that guy sounded like a know-it-all douche, especially when he wrote stuff I agreed with

I’m not sure what that means.

On a serious note, I listened to ten seconds of sports talk on WLW yesterday since i was unepectedly without kids or ball-and-chain and I remember why I preferred them to Lance (Laynce?) McCallister. First, there was the wonderful discussion about how Aaron harang sucks because he won 6 games last year, followed by dirge for Twins, because everyone knows without a highly paid closer, you can’t win in baseball. Seriously, are there still people in this world who think you HAVE to have a fancy closer to get saves?

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Surprised that the author left Travis Wood out of the discussion of possible fifth starters

Maybe he’s just trying to hide him from other teams.

Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.

-Hilaire Belloc

by poojols on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a good assumption

Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.

-Hilaire Belloc

by poojols on Mar 10, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Cueto only made 4 starts in AAA in 2007

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 13, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent point

he won the THIRD slot in the rotation. only Harang and Arroyo were guaranteed slots. jeez lah-weeze, this rotation is light years better.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 13, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you lie?

Seriously, not even Lucas?

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think I've seen 'Lucas'?

What’s ‘Lucas’?

Was Corey Haim in something called “Can’t Buy Me Love”? Because I might have seen that.

Was he in ‘Lost Boys’? I think he played ’Other Corey.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Lucas was about the nerd who goes out for the HS football to impress a girl

Also, Jeremy Piven has the first on-screen slow-clap I can remember.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Never saw it

I just checked his IMDB page. Apparently he was in Crank 2: High Voltage. Which I never saw.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

did i?

i love that movie. or loved as a kid. i don’t think i’ve seen it in my adult life.

by Daedalus on Mar 10, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

i never seen it neither

seems like it was one of those pop-culture phenomena that happened before my time. like day-glo.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Can Drew Sutton be the next Ben Zobrist?

We’ve talked about this before, but I think it’s been a while. Bloomberg Sports looks this morning at whether Drew Sutton could have a similar breakout season like Ben Zobrist had last year. The reason for the speculation is the work that both players put in with Jaime Cevallos, “The Swing Mechanic.” Both players saw marked improvements in their numbers after working with Cevallos, and Zobrist turned into an MVP candidate last season.

It’s not realistic to expect that sort of production out of Sutton, but I had forgotten about him as anything other than roster fodder. Despite being up with the Reds for most of the last 3 months of the season, he only got 76 plate appearances, so it’s hard to tell what he might be able to do at the big league level. He’s unlikely to win anything more than a bench spot out of camp unless there is an injury, but then Zobrist was stuck in a similar role until last season when he was 28.

I guess what I’m saying is that it would be nice if Sutton could surprise us and put up some good numbers in a backup role for one of the inevitable injuries. He’s in his prime years now, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

Ben who?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

That kind of thing would kind of put us over the top.

That’d be wild to have a guy like Zobrist on the team.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

We dont' his stinking 8 WAR

We got……

Well, we got lots of guys and some of them could provide WAR….and, adding some together could equal 8!

So, who needs a Zobrist!

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

A winning point

His last name is Zobrist. That’s just cool.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

This one was terra-ble as well.

But I enjoyed it.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I just love your Devile Ray Care attitude

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

good lord.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Give peace chance!

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

1 down, 1 to go

… at least Harrison and McCartney have talent. Lennon & Starr, not so much.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Ringo Starr is one of the worst drummers in the history of drumming

… and John Lennon is one of the most overrated lyricists in the history of lyrics, songwriting and all that jazz.

And don’t even get me started on Yoko Ono…

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't make him a bad drummer

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he's special, but he worked for what the Beatles did

He kept the beat, and really didn’t try to steal the show from any of the other members of the band. Sure, you’re not going to a Beatles show to see Ringo, but it’s better than if you had Meg White in there.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Beatles gave Ringo a reason to exist

McCartney and Lennon wrote all their songs and gave Ringo a bone here and there. He’s not relevant, truthfully, beyond his charisma.

The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan

by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo!

Even Carlin was a better Mr. Conductor!

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

george took over a lot of the writing duties later and took them in a bit of a different direction

his songs are some of my favorite from the later albums: something, i me mine, savoy truffle, here comes the sun. and while my guitar gently weeps is my favorite beatles song

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I do know harrison is credited

with writing some of the later music. Mainly, though he may just have his name on some of it for royalty reasons. All I know of him is he got his ass scalded in the worst copyright infringement verdict in history with My Sweet Lord.

The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan

by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We read that case in my IP class

Agreed, that was bad. Not Vanilla Ice-blatant, but pretty obvious.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Like my Reds fandom ; )

I’m actually jumping to the employment bandwagon now.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

good luck

Seems like half of my “swearing in” class didn’t have gigs. i have no objection to you being named Red Reporter Official Counsel.

See slyde to arrange your pay and health benefits

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont know that there's much doubt about him writing those songs

they were quite a bit different than the other beatles stuff. john and paul often werent even on board with them (John loathed i me mine, partially because he thought it was too depressing and partly because the song was about how selfish he and the other bandmates had gotten)

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's fair

But you can’t say that he was terrible and brought the quality of it down

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Meg White is terrible...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you belong in my 8th grade music class

where everyone thinks fast and flashy equals good.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I was flashy

not fast.
real good, though.

The baseball-bat collision is violent and involves large forces which act over a very short time and which compress the ball to a fraction of its normal size. -- Alan M. Nathan

by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Bull-hockey

Ringo was damn good. He wasn’t showy, but he held it down like gravity and he kept it interesting.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Lars!

Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.

by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

In no particular order

Neil Peart
John Bonham
Buddy Rich
Gene Krupa
Steve Gadd
Dave Weckl
Dave Grohl
Keith Moon
Stewart Copeland
Mike Portnoy

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a pretty good list

Though I’m no fan of 48-piece, triple-kick drumsets with multi-tiered gong attachments.

I’d add:

Max Roach
Ginger Baker
Jon Wurster

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Along with the guys from

Chumbawumba, hed(pe), Matchbox 20, Seven Mary Three, Hootie and the Blowfish, Wham, Saliva, Stryper, Bongzilla and Limp Bizkit.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Portnoy is probably near the top of my list

Along with Peart and Rich. I don’t have any big issue with your list, other than including Dave Grohl and not Travis Barker

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't believe no one has mentioned Elvin Jones

Y’all need to get educated

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The precise crisp drumming of Mr. Elvin Jones is one of my favorite things.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

we definitely need to hang out

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We sure do!

(Are you familiar with the mountain goats song I referenced?)

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

My issue with Barker is that he takes away from the music to some extent

He’s freakishly good, but it seems like more often than not it sounds like he’s playing a solo, rather than complimenting the music

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah... Add Barker. Some other guys who are good... (But not list-worthy)

John Dolmayan isn’t too bad now.
Creed is terrible, but Scott Phillips is a great drummer.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's quite a statement, considering I doubt you've heard every drummer ever

And think about if John Bonham or Neil Pert were drumming on “Hard Day’s Night” or “I Wanna Hold Your Hand.”

Shit would’ve been ruined.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

6 billion people can't be wrong!

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess if you hate irresistible hooks, unprecedented innovation in pop music

and anthems that captured the imagination of the entire world, then yeah, the Beatles sucked. It’s not worth trying to convince someone they don’t like something, but “Beatles suck” is kind of the new punk rock, isn’t it? They certainly cut some shitty songs, but along with Michael Jackson and probably no one else, they’re one of the few universally beloved musical acts in history. Popular certainly doesn’t equal good, but in musical terms – and at their level of transcendence, it probably does.

I can see prefering the R&B bent of the Stones or hard-rock/proto-Metal of Zeppelin, but I’m not convinced that deep down you think the Beatles are crappy – unless you were part of a Clockwork Orange style experiment to condition you to associate the Beatles with the horrors of humanity.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i didn't know there was a movement involving people that don't like the beatles

i actually thought they were like ice cream, and i was the only person in the world that didn’t like them.

I’ve just never enjoyed their music. Sure some of it is better than others, but the really bad songs (hard day’s night, can’t buy me love) make me nauseous when i hear them.

That said, Buffett did a cover of Yellow Submarine at last years concert and it was ridiculously good.

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I will never understand the appeal of Jimmy Buffett

Though a sincere thanks for trying to enlighten me awhile ago.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

that's fine

there are 4 or 5 posters here that really like buffett.

they just aren’t all that vocal about it. (i think they’re slightly embarrassed because of all the crap i take for it)

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It hasn't shut up the UK fans

So perhaps the Buffett fans are smarter! Hooray for Buffett fans!

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.

by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm probably overselling it

I just know I’ve heard that sentiment and it always sounds kind of contrarian. But I don’t doubt that you don’t like the Beatles, just as see nothing to like about Buffet.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope you have heard more Beatles than just their early stuff

even i will admit to it being sugary at times. but give a few spins to Rubber Soul and Revolver and then get back to me.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Come over to play some Beatles Rock Band.

Some of the bass lines and guitar parts are very tricky.. There is nothing straight forward about their music and they had such a style change in their short span that no one today would ever do (without being heavily criticized.)

You come play Beatles RB and I’ll buy Jimmy Buffet Rock Band as soon as it comes out.. I promise!

Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.

by snohio on Mar 10, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy Buffett track packs are already available!

I had to play Beatles Rock Band 2 weekends ago. My review was that it would have been a better game if it included songs from other bands.

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Might not be the best way to come at it

This is going to make me sound like a snob, but I think hearing the mono mixes (on vinyl) might change things. This is obviously more effort than it might be worth to you, but the early singles were all great and if you start there and listen to Rubber Soul, Revolver, Abbey Road and Sgt Peppers and still can’t stand them, then you never will. Even on the early records, the harmonies are dense, the hooks are wonderful and the sound is a pretty irresistible mashup of 50s girl groups and Holly/Berry rock.

I think McCartney has written a handful of the most perfect pop songs of all time, including on his solo work — McCartney and Ram in particular.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Taste is perplexing – and certainly wholly subjective. RAM is awesome though. If you give that a shot, I’ll try a Buffet album of your choosing.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't hate McCartney

I don’t know what ram is, but i’d probably listen to it

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You certainly could never say McCartney is underrated

But some of his early solo work gets lost in the shuffle. Same way Dylan’s post-60s stuff does.

I suspect Generational thing – whatever pop culture from your own and your parent’s generation seems to hold sway – as with politics.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say "taste is perplexing."

You’re saying “’tHan.”

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Early stuff

A1A. But its acoustic droning to quote Mads, so if you don’t like that sort of stuff its pretty unlikely that you’ll like it.

by ol Pete on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

A1A is crazy good

however, my favorite buffett album is “a white sportcoat and a pink crustacean”

Before the Beach is tons of fun as well

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ram IS awesome!

And Zachary Brimstead Esq’s guest spot on Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey is just killer.

/best show joke’d

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he

“burn into your realms?”

Did you get the premium? I’m temped to cough up for the DVD.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Coughed up last year, coughed up this year

Last year’s was great – S&W disc, RAM tribute disc, awesome high-quality Dogmo logo tote bag. This year’s looks like it’s going to be even better. And I also get to have that smug I’m-better-than-everyone-else feeling because I donate to listener supported radio. And it’s not even crappy NPR or PBS stuff!

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sold

The public radio giveaways are definitely lame.

Question for you: Who is Julie from Cincinnati? I think she has some segment on the DVD.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is Julie from Cincinnati?!?!?

She’s a regular caller! The drunk one! The annoying girl who isn’t Laurie from Miami.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I mean who is she in actuality

May get to see her in her natural habitat (probably Northside) on the DVD.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh! No idea.

I moved away from Cincy at the age of 12 in 1995. I don’t even remember what “side” of the city I lived in. Pleasant Ridge…what is that, east? Central? East-Central side?

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never a Beatles fan

I am old enough to remember when their first songs hit the air. I thought they were just worse versions of Buddy Holly. While their music definitely improved, I don’t think their showmanship was ever any good. Later, I thought some of their work was sophomoric in principle. I don’t find them evil, however.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They're definitely a studio band

as they played live before big venue sound was really figured out and stopped touring halfway through their existence. I would say they were pretty good showmen in the early movies – HDN in particular – and on Ed Sullivan and mugging for the press.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed on the cheesy movies

… and I will cut the Beatles some slack for showmanship. Some bands just spent more time looking good. I think of the Jackson 5 in this, where they actually hired people to help them look good while they performed.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I have loved

the movie Help! since I was a little kid. Am I alone in this? I think it’s fantastic.

I inherited the Beatles, with the Reds and the Democrats, from my Dad. Some things are just handed on generationally, as somebody pointed out above. I know nothing about drumming, but I loved Ringo because of Help! and Shining Times Station.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely not

Love Help!

Even A Hard Day’s Night has lots of great moments.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

right about the time

somebody claimed Lennon said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. Crap, he was right.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never liked the Beatles

Definitely always thought they were overrated, and never understood their appeal or popularity.

I guess they were “different”, and people bought that aspect of them, hook, line & sinker.

I hear Paul McCartney or the Beatles and I immediately change the channel/station.

I won’t even play The Beatles Rock Band, and I LOVE Rock Band.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Were you born in 1978?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was close

I think a lot of musical taste/identification can be explained generationally (parents/your own). Not trying to peg you or assume I know what you like, but it’s just a BS theory I’ve been kicking around.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard Lennon as a solo artist before I heard the Beatles as a group

I did not like Lennon, therefore I did not like the Beatles, and since McCartney as a solo artist sounded an awful lot like the Beatles to me, I did not like him all that much either.

I did not mind Harrison’s solo stuff, however.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that anyone cares

but I think I first heard the Beatles on those 1962–1966 and 1967–1970 collections, then went through the parent’s old vinyl in roughly chronological order. Something about the evolution of the band was appealing to me, apart from the music, which I thought was immediately identifiable as a teenager. It was also cool that they were talking across 25-30 years and still seemed relevant.

I heard the solo stuff later and though it was inferior, but I’m finding that the McCartney and Harrison stuff holds up especially well and is right there with some of the best Beatles cuts.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

worse was

the horde of really bad sound-alike or British invasion bands that came after them. Discounting the Stones, who suck worse for talent, the list went on and on and on. The Beatles may have endured in part because they at least made an effort to upgrade their work.

But it was somewhat wearisome to have girls renaming their body parts John Paul George and Ringo.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a Rolling Stones fan, either

but I don’t have a Pavlovian response to their music when I hear it

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

See

I lap that British invasion stuff up like milk. Kinks, Zombies, Creation etc. We’re going to run afoul of Wes Anderson soon, which is a discussion we’d all prefer to avoid basically.

There’s two pretty clear camps here Apple/Beatles/British invasion/Wes Anderson vs. PC/Rush/Zeppelin/Trent L. Strauss

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinks

Kinks, endurable
DC 5, sort of endurable
Who, very endurable.

Knickerbockers, Freddy and the Dreamers, Pacemakers (be still my heart) Honeycombs … one-hit wonders but you should hear the rest of the garbage on their albums.

Zeppelin, overrated but a staple for classic rock radio. (Lucky us.)

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think everyone can rally 'round The Who

They’ve got the mod/British invasion and prog/arena-rock bases covered. Their catalog isn’t as strong as the Stones in my opinion, but their rockers really rock and Moon wails.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, come on, everyone loves TLS

“You’re Soaking In Her” is a modern horror classic.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

It makes I Spit On Your Grave look like Amélie.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

Aroldis Chapman stars as...Dr. Chapstick!

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a couple guys who host a show on WSCR

who say that Eric Clapton is awful at everything. Today one of them pissed on CCR.

by ol Pete on Mar 10, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yoko is awesoem

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My parents had a record of Yoko Ono singing.

They only ever played it on Halloween, to spook the trick-or-treaters.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Sutton fan

He deserves to at least make the team this year. He has the most upside of anyone in the running for a bench spot and is perfectly suited for that 2B-3B backup / PH / emergency OF role.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

So I bought the MLB app for my Droid

and now I’m feeling stupid for paying $15 for audio, since it doesn’t support video like the iPhone app. I guess I’ll see if the audio at least works today, though. Today’s game is on the radio, right?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure on if today's game is on the radio or not....

But, the MLB At Bat 2010 app for iPhone is one of the greatest apps that I own. Being able to see pitch by pitch, listen to live audio, seeing narrative recaps of scores/plays, and catching video of great plays is WELL worth the $15.

by shrguy on Mar 10, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, if all that stuff works it's worth $15...

they make you pay again each year, right?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

and it’s still worth it

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Word in the reviews is that the audio hasn't been reliable

for ST games, but I’ll see how it is today.

Does either of you use it to watch mlb.tv on the iPhone, too?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

The audio was a bit suspect for the Royals game

It kept buffering, but I’m not sure if that was my phone or the broadcast. I don’t have great data reception around my house, so it could have just been my issue.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

no issues here..

I think you’re probably having issues with service or something. I’ve not had any issues with buffering during the broadcast.

The one complaint I have is that I can’t text or use other apps on the phone while the gameday audio is playing.

by shrguy on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

REALLY????

BUT..THE IPHONE IS THE AWESOMEZZZZZ!!! IT CAN DO ANYTHING!!!

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

...

except multitask.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

that's not what their commercials say

you can be on the phone and set up a hit with an assassin on your boss via email at the same time

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the one way you can multitask...

you can talk on the phone and open one app of your choice.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

you can run multiple apps in the background

just not 3rd party apps.
(Mail, itunes, safari, phone, messages all background ’til the cows come home.)

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

it can multitask

all you have to do is jailbreak it and install the “backgrounding” app. seriously, i dont understand why everyone doesnt jailbreak their iphones

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you can get in a lot of trouble for that

at least that’s what my iPhone owning friends tell me

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

theres little risk of getting in trouble

technically, it voids your warranty, but all you have to do is re-update the software, and it un-jailbreaks it and restores your warranty. anyway, ive heard that apple will fix/replace broken iPhone even if theyre brought in jailbroken.

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

mine is jailbroken

and i have the backgrounding app.

amazingly it doesn’t slow the phone down too much

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

if you have sb settings, you just just turn anything off whenever you want

you have to watch it, though. if you forget to turn backgrounder off it can really sap your battery

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion

but it’s pretty indefensible to claim that Apple stuff is garbage.

Their computers work better, faster, and easier than any type of pc, the phone is much more user friendly and has cooler apps.

And pretty much every cool and good innovation has come from them, starting with the whole concept of Windows operating system all the way to smart phones.

They do it first, and they do it best. Just because others come along after, copy them, and sometimes make marginal improvements does not make Apple garbage.

And FWIW, the IPhone is significantly superior to the Droid.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Anyone that can call the Mac OS garbage and use a Windows OS instead has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ubuntu is awesome

But only if you like having almost no software available for your OS, configuring every single setting, and controlling shit on a command line

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Other than that, it's great

Fairly easy to use once you configure it, and pretty damn quick

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it's fun as a hobby

but in the end i wasn’t learning quickly enough to be self-sufficient and had to rely on really techy tutorials that i had a hard time understanding. still pretty cool that you can run a super-lite OS and not have to worry about hunting down drivers.

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And at the core, Mac OS X is built on the same Unix system that Linux is, it’s just more user friendly. I’d also probably say Linux is more customizable and has a better selection of open source software to use.

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not really true...

I mean, I’ve used linux for years and don’t need to control anything on the command line. Plus, pretty much any software I need is available. For free.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be specific to the version of Ubuntu I had

Red Hat is pretty okay from what I’ve heard, and they keep improving Ubuntu so I’m sure it’s better. But when I used it, I had to adjust all kinds of display settings to use my monitor with it, every time I booted it up, and do it from the command line

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, so it almost certainly works fine now.

I use Fedora, which I’ve never had to work to configure. And software installation is easier than it is in Windows.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing going for the iPhone

That new app iGrenade kicks ass. That thing really works.

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by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Still not true

MS Office is significantly better on the Mac, including Excel, etc. Mac’s email apps, calendar apps, etc. are all better too. Add to that the lack of crashes and virus problems, much more effecient use of memory and processing speed, and easier external hardware compatibility, and Macs are basically superior in every way.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if this true for the new version

But the Office 2004 for Mac software fucking blows. OpenOffice is the way to go on a Mac, and it’s free

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I bought my Mac in the fall, and got the latest MS Office version, whatever that is

And it’s really, really good.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Noted

I still won’t buy it, but good job Microsoft for finally making a non-dogshit office suite for Mac

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

All my friends that use macs swear by OpenOffice

When I’ve had to use it in mac labs, I’ve enjoyed it

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It is awesome

Office 2004 completely killed my mac every time I had it running, I can run OO with no problems at all

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm none of those things

I’m more a fan of my computer not fucking up all the time, not getting viruses even with anti-virus software installed, my documents working, not having to install drivers when i plug shit in, and having huge store of great software that works already installed on my computer for free

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Mar 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I've been really lucky then

I’ve never had 1 virus on this laptop, had no problems with this laptop.

I’ll go knock on wood or something?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

But I don’t think he’ll like it.

I’ve never had problems with viruses, either. And I don’t use anti-virus software. It’s more trouble than it’s worth. Really, all you need is basic common sense.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, and he overpaid for it.

So… Mac?

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The real Mac

objects!

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

the Dude

abides!

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

that dividing line dried up about 7 years ago

really, it’s about personal preference. You like Mac OS? Get a mac! You prefer windows OS? Get a windows-based PC! That whole “macs suck!” “no, pc’s suck!” thing went out of style in 1998.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe people argue about this stuff as if there are facts

“The stuff I like is better!”
“Nuh uh, the stuff I like is better. It’s a fact!”
“Whatever man, your stuff is crap! My stuff is the awesome!!!”
“Bullshit, that’s what your stuff is!”

Nice discussion.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, Slyde, you and your facts

When all that’s there are facts, it’s not a discussion, it’s math class.

And FTR, it is a fact that Macs crash less, run smoother, aren’t susceptible to viruses, and are purty!

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have any problem with discussions about opinions

I just tire of the idea that people with differing preferences are factually wrong. That’s just stupid.

I don’t like Macs because I’m comfortable with Windows. I’ve had zero serious problems with Windows crashing, ever. And if I do have problems, I know how to fix it because I am familiar with the way Windows works (that’s why I’ve never been able to get into linux).

Is Mac better than PC? Not for me.
Is iPhone better than my Blackberry Storm? Not for me.

Just because you think it’s better doesn’t make it factual.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

A Mac, yes

It’s okay, but I’m much more functional on a PC. I don’t have to think with a PC, I just do it because I’m used to doing it.

I’ve never used an iPhone because I’m Verizon, but I only jokingly make claims that iPhones suck. Honestly, I don’t care. My phone does what I want it to do. That’s enough for me.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Every time I’ve bought a computer I’ve thought about buying a mac, but then I go to the store play around with a mac, realize that I am not at all comfortable with it and return to Windows. Windows isn’t perfect but I’ve been using it for 15 years.

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by justin007000 on Mar 10, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, what started this was Highlifeman calling Macs garbage

which by any objective measure (of which there are many) is the opposite of the truth.

That’s great that you are more comfortable on a PC. I’m more comfortable in my thrift store jeans and hand-me-down sweatshirt. They cover my body and keep me warm, but to say that they are just as good as a $1,000 suit just because I know them and are comfortable in them doesn’t make it true. (It also doesn’t mean I should feel obligated to buy the suit)

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Just remember...

Many new doors (and windows) will open for a well-dressed man.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a false comparison

The utility of clothes is not simply how they feel on me. Close serve a social purpose as well.

The utility of a computer is does it do what I, the user, need it to do and how good is it at doing that. For me, Windows allows me to accomplish what I want to accomplish faster.

Just because you think Macs are wicked awesome doesn’t mean that they are intrinsically better than PCs. In fact, the intrinsic betterness of either doesn’t matter. All that matters is the individual user experience.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish i could afford a mac

i’d like to have one.

i haven’t really used them all that much though

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I work with mac at the office

PC here at home. To be truthful, a few keys and functions are different. Otherwise, meh … they are just machines.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

my home computer and my work computer have to be one in the same

i don’t think all of my work programs would work on a mac.

i guess that’s a potential problem

by 'tHan on Mar 10, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That can be an issue, I suppose

I don’t have that problem so I can’t evaluate yours.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You could also say the computer serves a social person nowadays

If anything, this thread shows the power of branding in the tech world.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

but I don’t see it that way. I don’t give a shit what type of machine a person uses unless I have to share files with them and we have incompatibility issues. I think the whole argument is silly. I use what I use because it’s useful to me. I don’t care how it affects you.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You may not

The money spent and type of advertising by Apple and Micrsoft suggest most people do see it that way, at least partially.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

right, but my point is, lots of people miss out on something better, because what they have "is good enough"

And don’t believe that computers don’t serve a social purpose too.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You are missing my point.

Macs aren’t better for me. PCs are better because I can work on a PC and do what I need to do. If I sat down in front of a Mac, I could not do that. I have 20 years of using PCs. I know how to use a PC. I know where everything is and I know if a PC starts doing something unexpected I can fix it.

Again, there is no intrinsic value in a machine, only the utility of the machine. You can’t start with the assumption that one is better and assuming that it is better for everyone. It doesn’t work that way.

And as far as I can tell, the only social purpose of a computer is that it allows one side to mock the other for whatever reason (not that you are doing that here). Otherwise, it’s just a machine. If I didn’t tell you that I used a PC instead of a Mac, you wouldn’t know anymore or any less about me.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

One more to make this Prius green

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by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

done

and done.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 11, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I may have gone too far off on your point

but I just disagree that there is this “something better”. We all judge what that “better” is on our own.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see that, and I don't care what someone uses. Matter of fact, I'm happy for PCs to stay dominant so Macs stay virus-free

but I still don’t think it’s quite that relative that we all judge what’s better for ourselves. Some technology is simply better than others, plain and simple. Often the better technology requires a learning curve, and until that curve is breached it might not seem better, but that doesn’t mean it’s not.

Of course, the relative merits of Macs and PCs can be debated, but I don’t buy the argument that just because some people don’t care about Macs or are fine with their PCs doesn’t make one or the other better. Many people are fine with their Toyota Corollas too, but that doesn’t mean a BMW 5 series isn’t a significantly better car.

OK, enough, I respect your decision to rock the PC, and I’ll probably never own one again.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem I have with your statement

is that it is not a case of it being “fine for me.” The implication there is that I’m just settling for a PC. I’m not. I’ve used both. I like PC better because I am more effective with it.

It’s not just about PC vs Mac. It’s a larger philosophical point that subjective utility can’t be objectively quantified. In general, a BMW might be a better car, but if the seats don’t scoot back far enough to fit my legs, it’s not the better car for me. Better for me matters in how it fits me. That doesn’t mean I am settling for something.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I would only argue that, even though you would hypothetically prefer a Corolla because of your legs,most people who drive a Corolla instead of a BMW are settling. I’d venture a guess that, to a lesser extent, the same goes for PC vs. Mac.

I think that, speaking to your larger philosophical argument, subjective utility is not an appropriate way to judge the qualities and relative merits of technology. You can always find exceptions to consensus, but that doesn’t make the consensus wrong.

Another example: Many might prefer vinyl and say it sounds more “authentic” but it is generally accepted that CDs, MP3s, and other digital technology is superior. I think the problem comes because people feel the need to justify their choices by calling the other stuff “trash” or denigrating people who make other choices. (just human nature)

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I've lived long enough to see

that everyone does it. even me.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 10, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's one of the only common denominators amongst all of us

The ready willingness to discount, disregard, or insult people who don’t agree with us or think differently from us.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree, dumbass.

I will no longer read your comments, for they have no merit.
:)

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a Mac user

What do you expect?

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I'm working on this!

Seriously.

And I feel like I’ve made great progress over many years so while I might accept that it might truly be in our nature, I won’t accept that we’re all kinda stuck in ‘asshole’ setting our entire lives.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the conversation

but I feel like we’re talking past each other at this point, so…thanks for the good conversation at least! :)

(Macs SUCK!!!!)

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It's like the episode of Wings

where Antonio bought the expensive pair of Italian shoes. he liked them because of the prestige and expense associated with them, but they really hurt his feet. Because he thought they were better shoes, he tried his hardest to keep wearing them, but in the end, he had to stop.

by 'tHan on Mar 11, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say

it’s more like arguing over whether jeans or khakis are better. It depends on both your taste and what you’re doing.

I use a lot of software than doesn’t run on Macs. Plus, I like playing games on my PC. A lot them either aren’t made for Macs, or become available much later.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Khakis make me twitch

Good thing there aren’t a lot of southern prepsters and congressional-staffer types running around this town.

Blah.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

but what do you wear

on Casual Fridays?

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

uh-oh

I guess that explains why gay men hit on you, but women don’t.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm rooting so hard

for you to leave DC these days

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by Cy Schourek on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to get sucked into a Mac vs PC flamewar

but I think this analogy makes little sense. If I’m getting a better user experience (less viruses), I don’t really care that it’s because of market share do I? And market share doesn’t really have much to say directly about how good the product is. So in your analogy bad food = low market share and good service = no viruses? It makes even less sense the other way around.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

except

if that’s what you like about Macs, then you should try to discourage PC users from switching. Macs suck! Go away! You’ll hate them, trust me!

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it's more like

bragging about a restaurant that has easily the best food, decor, and service in the city, but not many people go there because it’s too expensive and makes them uncomfortable, and they’d rather just eat shitty wings and watch bowling.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Mac owners are fairly snobby

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not!

I have a Mac and I’m an idiot!

(When it comes to computers.)

I did do this little bit of editing on my Mac and I tell myself that I would have taken six times as long and/or given up in frustration on a PC.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen the video for

Town and Country. Perfect marriage of a song and old video, if you ask me.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Very nice.

Love me some banjo.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Snow Patrol's Chasing Cars

comes up as a related video. That’s going to get one of our commenters angry for sure.

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by Cy Schourek on Mar 10, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, and

dude wears a mean Reds hat

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by Cy Schourek on Mar 10, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke Scott?

At the risk of creeping htat dude out, Town & Country is at the top of my iTunes top played. Yeah, I know who he is.

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by Cy Schourek on Mar 10, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

You can make videos on PCs, too.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

This is exactly how I feel

Macs are great for people who don’t like or know about computers.

I do OK with computers, I’ve reinstalled an OS on a PC, (because it crashed) and done other things, but mainly, I just want my computer to work and I don’t want to have to read a bunch of manuals or do research to figure out how to configure/fix/install/format a bunch of stuff.

IMHO, Macs work better.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not snobby!

I’m just a former art major who got used to the kind of computer she had to buy in college.

I do find my Mac to be more intuitive than the PCs I’ve used at work. No hidden folders.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

c:\Documents and Settings\Jeremy\Documents\Fax\Personal CoverPages

Wait, whut?

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by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

There's some sort of joke there about personal covers

but I can’t get it out. Dang Benadryl.

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by ZJiff30 on Mar 11, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

See

now you and I agree. You like Macs because that’s what is familiar to you. Same reason I prefer PCs

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

I like my Mac, but I don’t care what anybody else uses. I’ve endured so much mocking at the hands of my PC-using friends over the years. No way I’m going to subject someone else to that kind of thing.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

See below re: Beatles

It’s definitely futile to argue taste and try to convince someone they don’t like something. But you can always work around that by arguing the importance, utility and the motives of the person making the claim. Then you got yourself a stew going.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

you dont like anything fun

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I know somebody who has the Apple Logo tattooed on her back

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 10, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i know a girl who got this tattooed on her back


not knowing it was the symbol of islam. she thought it was cute…

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 10, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

wow...

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 10, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It is cute.

If you’re lying down and you imagine two googly eyes and a clown hat over the star.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

faster, I don't buy

And they look Barbie uses them!

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

not faster

then you’ve never used one. Put a mac and pc side by side with identical processors, RAM, etc., and the Mac will way outperform the pc.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in my experience

Though maybe it’s different now that Macs have PC architecture.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it was actually mac architecture first,

Bill Gates stole it and bastardized it

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

neither side invented much. They all built off of open source ideas and then closed it off to the rest of the world.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

DOS was the unsuccessful and little-known QDOS until bill gates bought it for a song, ported it and convinced his investors that it would work

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

SYSTEM V, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!

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by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

 I have owned (or used) basically every type of phone

the iPhone is head and shoulders above everything else.

Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,

by ’tHan on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's just say there are a bunch of phones out there

and some people like one sort of phone over another. Any phone that one doesn’t care for does not make every other phone “garbage.” It’s a preference thing. If it works for you, great! If it doesn’t…why should you care?

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You're absolutely right

Although I wouldn’t consider Yuengling mainstream b/c it’s too regional

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If you dislike Yuengling you're fucking idiot

You fucking idiot.

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by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

How do you know my ex? BOOM!

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by jch24 on Mar 12, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I drank a lot of Yuengling last night and it was spectacular

Best part about being in the South is drinking Yuengling, well besides the 60 degree temperatures and silly accents.

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by justin007000 on Mar 13, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, it originated in Pottsville, PA

I’ve been in the caves under the brewery!

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by jch24 on Mar 15, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what she said-said-said-said....

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by jch24 on Mar 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been to the brewery

Toured the caves

I just don’t care for their beers. Their “Premium” is about the only stuff I’ll drink if forced.

I can’t stand their light, b/c it’s overly hoppy for a light beer.

I can’t stand their lager, b/c I just don’t like lagers in general.

Their porter is just too foamy, too caramelly, and too malty for me.

Their Chesterfield is really bitter. Like really really bitter.

I like their Black & Tan, but after 2 I’m done.

Their Light Lager is worse than their Lager.

Unfortunately, Yuengling’s known for their Lager, which I’ve already professed my love, so it should come as no surprise that if I don’t like their flagship beer that I don’t care for the rest of their beers (aside from the Premium which I had trouble readily finding for a good price, and their Black & Tan which is more of a dessert beer for me)

What can I say, I have weird taste buds.

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 17, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think anyone disagrees with that

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, you can

They fixed that this year. Hit the quicktime icon while streaming audio and it’ll open the audio stream via Safari and then run in the background.

Granted, you can’t do anything else in safari, but every other app is fair game.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Lost....

Could you elaborate. Where is the quicktime icon? That would be great to get it to stream via Safari.

by shrguy on Mar 10, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

audio button in the top right corner

choose your feed, and then there’s a Q icon in the top right corner. Hit that, and a pop-up will say “Wanna run this in the background through safari? It’ll be totally awesome.” Then you hit the button that says “HELL YES I DO.”

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

F'IN THANKS

Nice! That will be sweet. I always like to send some ‘BRUCE BOMB’ messages while i’m listening to the games.

by shrguy on Mar 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

You only get one window in Safari?

Huh.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

no

but when you’re streaming media inside of it, you can’t switch tabs.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh.

Interesting.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

No

I don’t use it to watch mlb.tv. I’m pretty sure that is much more expensive and I definitely don’t need to watch every single game.

by shrguy on Mar 10, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I did last year

even though i spent most of my time watching games on my TV via my computer, it was totally great when I was on the go and wanted to catch a couple of innings. Seriously, what other sport has adopted technology to this level to provide coverage? Granted, it’s not perfect and not cheap, but still leaps and bounds over, say, the NFL.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If they would just fix the blackout stupidity

it would be fantastic.

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by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

As an nycredsfan

the only games I get blacked out for are the ones i go to, so it works out.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

hey!

plagiarism!

On an unrelated note, we should go to one of the Reds games at Citi. I plan on going to two: Tuesday and Wednesday the 6th and 7th.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

What month(s) are the Reds playing in NYC?

I’ll be heading up there sometime soon. I have Amtrak miles to use up!

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by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll definitely keep that in mind.

I have a friend who lives in Jackson Heights, so very convenient to Citi. How much do the tickets you’d recommend tend to run?

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by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't quite remember

I tried to buy seats on the decent end of terrible last year, as opposed to this year, when I’m going to aim for the worst, cheapest seats they’ve got. I believe i was spending in the $20 to $30 range, but I’m guessing i’ll be able to get some absolutely awful seats in the $13 to $18 range this year.

although if wandering around the stadium and behind the bullpen and standing at the railing behind the ground level seating isn’t appealing to you, then you’ll probably want to pay a little more for nicer seats. I didn’t stay put for longer than 2 innings in my seat at any of the 3 games last year and I had a blast

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I definitely don't feel the need to pay for great seats.

And early July sounds like a great time to head up to NYC. I’ll let you know if I can make it happen.

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by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

they play in Citi right before the break?

They did that last year, too (I was there!!!!). That’s kind of weird.

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by Cy Schourek on Mar 10, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

In 2007 and 2008

They played their Washington dates immediately after the trade deadline. Daedalus and I stalked them in their team hotel, then tried to make trade guesses based on who we didn’t see.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to all three

I figure if I’m paying $120 for the year to see the reds on mlb.tv and another $15 for phone access, I can pony up and see them in person the one time a year they’re here. Totally would be down to hang out w/ a RR Crew.

Have you been to citi yet? The trick is to buy the cheapest seats that will afford you access to the place, watch the game from there for an inning or two, and then wander around the place for the rest of the game. The sight lines are great from EVERYWHERE.

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

also, now that we're talking about it

how many other folks around here live in OUR tri-state area? Maybe a NYC RR meet-up of some sort sometime soon? Grab a couple of (beers/beer substitutes) at a bar that’ll put on the reds game?

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

When is Reds/Mets at GABP?

And to answer the rest of your questions from above:

I’ve been to Citi twice. Bought tickets ahead of time both times, but pretty late, so I went through stubhub. I’d rather organize something early this time and get them through the official website, or just screw it and go to a scalper on gameday. Since it’s a midweek series, that shouldn’t be too tough.

Agreed on the cheapseats. I’d be down with getting Shake Shack from the CF place and watching the whole game from there. Last time I was there I saw a Votto and Nix homer from that vantage point…sweet!

Does either Astoria beer garden show games? If so, that’d be a cool place to meet up. I think there are a fair few RRers in the tri-state area.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if the beer garden shows games...

but it’s two blocks away from my apartment, so I’m always down to meet there

by thevole on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, we could do that anytime, but a get-together to watch Reds/Mets (May 3-5) would be cool too

It can’t be that hard to find a decent bar in Queens that shows Mets games.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

with the way they are going to play this season

I think everyone will be cheering against them.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, the Reds are at Citi July 5/6/7, not 6-8th.

I’m flying back into town the 5th, or else I’d go to all 3 as well.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, if I use any of the features for even half of the games, that comes out to about $0.16 per use. Well worth it.

by shrguy on Mar 10, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

I’ve had the app for a few days now. It’s still the same basic Spring Training gameday app, but having the audio in hand and portable beats the hell out of being locked to the computer. And at least for Blackberry, they’ve improved the interface over last year’s version, which was actually just a mobile version of the site.

I think you’ll be happy with the purchase.

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by Slyde on Mar 10, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

MLB won't let me sign up on my blackberry for 2010

“MLB Mobile Premium is coming soon. Be sure to check later.”

jerks

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you try very recently?

The android app just appeared this week I think.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

this morning.

As for Slyde, due my tour is superior to your curve…

Actually, I have no idea. The phone is free and I’m grateful to my boss for it.

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's interesting how much he started to fade

After steroid testing began. Hmm.

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by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But wrist injuries can be death to a hitter. IIRC he should’ve but didn’t get surgery after the ~2000 season. He wasn’t the same afterwards.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He probably screwed it up from messing with his gloves so much?

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by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

And a lifetime of signing his last name.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

NO ONE REC THIS!

that’s turrible

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I had to.

(green’d)

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by BK on Mar 10, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should start FLAGging it?

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by snohio on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean he's hurt

His life must suck with only millions of dollars and Mia Hamm to help him recover from injuries

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Rob Neyer has to be the laziest sportswriter on the planet

seriously, every time I read one of “his” stories, half of it is copied and pasted from another writer.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Did anyone see this?

Apparently BP blew off teh Fay at the beginning of ST.

I really want to like Brandon, but when he does stupid stuff like this is makes it harder. Also, Fay definitely handled it better than CTrent did when it happened to him.

Another link, BA has an article up about Travis Wood and his cutter. Subscription only.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

I posted that in the comments of Monday's Reposter

Apparently the article appeared in the Sunday print edition of the Enquirer but wasn’t online until Monday. Brian B’s comment pretty much sums up my thoughts.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you think about Fay?

Jesus, what a petty article. “It’s within his right to refuse an interview” he writes. Apparently, he left unwritten the rest of that sentence: “and it’s within my right to write a churlish piece about him where I pout at his pouting, bring every misdeed he committed last season, tell him he’s no Barry Larkin, and intimate at the end of the article that the Reds should trade him.”

Wow, I read that twice, wondering why Fay ever wrote it. It does not make either of them look good.

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Generally I think he's pretty bad.

I have a bit of a hangup with bad grammar and spelling, especially with someone who gets paid to use the English language.

He NEVER scoops anything Reds related. Any trades, signings, etc. are always reported by someone else, often someone with no particular link to Cincy, and then re-reported by him. That’s pretty inexcusable for a guy who is supposed to have some of the best access to the team.

He is blatantly old-school in his approach. I feel like he kind of understands more advanced stats and such, but is afraid to use/discuss them because of the trolls who comment on his blog.

This article is quite childish and unnecessary (although I still think CTrent’s reaction a few years ago was worse) but I still think Brandon is immature. I don’t care about his relationship with the media, but a guy who clearly thinks so highly of himself and his place on the team makes me worry for his effect on the clubhouse.

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by nycredsfan on Mar 10, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutely right

When has anyone ever seen Fay break a story? All he does is comment on stories that either other Reds beat writers or national writers break.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Hal broke one in 1982 I think

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by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

but he never saw it through

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

groan'd

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

(I'm not saying I'd be any better, of course)

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by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Fay has shown me very little insight

most of the winter but I can’t evaluate that beyond what I read (don’t read) on this board and others.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

There's no need to pile on Fay though

He provides a pipeline to the team/management – and he has to serve the Enquirer audience, which is a peculiar beast. It’s not at all an easy task, considering he’s basically the only guy on the beat for the print media. He doesn’t have the HOF free-pass that Hal and Marty have, nor the freer reign that a self-proprietary website affords C. Trent.

I do regret what Cincinnati’s lost over the years as the Post faded away – they had Bill Watterson (and fired him), Posnanski et al. – but Fay has the unenviable task of carrying the torch.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't disagree. Like I said: they both look bad

but, iMHO, Fay looks much worse from having brought it to light

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

*fart sound

that doesn’t make me dislike him. BP is my favorite current Red and he hardly ever does this team wrong.

i don’t have a single emotion attached to any member of the media except for Hal, Nuxy, Marty, Brantley, Bill Simmons, and Paul Keels… in my mind, anyone else solely exists to feed me information and could be replaced at the drop of a hat.

i don’t give two shits that players play head games with the media. furthermore, i think Fay is a complete ass who is one of the worst beat reporters in the game. this article makes me despise him.

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by GrooveLeg on Mar 10, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

me too

no one’s ever accused him of being professional.

by Daedalus on Mar 10, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

he should hang it up...

he’s got a future in film if he ever wants to play Kim Peek in a movie.

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 10, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I still like BP and he’s made some nice gestures for fans. He has the same massive ego (40/40) as a Chad Johnson, but is apparently more of a diva. And it’s not as if he said F-off to Fay and left it at that. He came over and put his arm around him and explained his grievance, however petty. It’s a high school locker room spat that doesn’t belong in the papers.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and I guess it was a fart sound I was agreeing with

so what does that say about me

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

it means farts are funny.

and they always will be.

Sonny my pitched my wild

by GrooveLeg on Mar 10, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Again

we agree

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

FART ROBOT APROVES

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

Phillips is a guy I’d love to hear more from. He’s got some dry wit.

Although my favorite Reds quote was still that whole thing from Pokey Reese about Jim Bowden. Something along the lines of “How do you know when Jim Bowden’s lying? His lips move”.

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by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Well dispensed!

I gave you a rec for this one Rijo! Hope others do, as well.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I do wish he wasn't the cleanup hitter though

but that’s for the Dustbin of History I suppose.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm old and forgetful

But has Phillips ever actually made an All-Star team?

by Brendanukkah on Mar 10, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

Let’s say he’s All Star caliber. Kinda sounds even better.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

unlike Dan Ugglia

didn’t he try to play second base in the ASG?

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

And it was Dan Uggla.

God Dan Uggla.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

No! And yet everyone, everywhere, all off-season has been referring to him as an All-Star.

It drives me crazy. Put him on an All-Star team already. Somebody take out Chase Utley’s knees.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

The players could line up and take turns shitting on the media members for all I care. BP does a lot of charity work, and he signs autographs for fans before every home game (or close to it).

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by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Fay is being petty

We’ll see if he keeps it up a la C. Trent.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 10, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious to see teammates reactions to Fay's article

which may give us some glimpse into BP’s relationship with his teammates. Maybe I am giving Fay too much credit, but he had to know the possible dangers of calling out BP in the Sunday edition. As a beat writer, player quotes are Fay’s lifeblood. The old-line rule in the media used to be not to call out a well-respected player for fear his teammates would blackball the journalist. I think if none of his teammates step up to defend Brandon, it’s a real indication of how BP is perceived among his teammates.

by Mr. B on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there was any fall out from Trent's piece

or after Hal’s spat with BP last year. I obviously don’t have any first-hand insights, but I would bet that most of the players understand and accept that Phillips can be a prima donna. I don’t think anyone will step up and defend Phillips, but that doens’t mean that they hate him.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

but from Fay's side of things

I think he knew he could air out his dirty laundry with BP without fear that the other players would back him. While I am generally underwhelmed by Fay’s coverage of the Reds on a daily basis, I do believe that Fay – and Hal and even C.Trent to an extent -have a pretty good pulse of the Reds clubhouse. I think Fay knows that BP is not a very popular teammate.

by Mr. B on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

if a beat writer calls out a player, it’s because he knows the rest of the team won’t mind.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

but comments like the above make me scared that certain people

(Marty, talk show hosts on WLW, fay blog commenters) are looking for a new scapegoat (since EdE, Dunn, and Griff are gone) and will land on Brandon. How many days until P Doc writes a column on “BP sitting on a couch and that makes him a cancer”?

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, a baseball thread

I just wanted to interject amid all this other conversation that any worries about the big Harangatan should be compared to Joe-Han Santana, who might have to change his evil ways. The guy got blasted in his ST start yesterday against the Houstonians.

What this has to do with Aaron Harnann is that both of them are supposed to be awesoem.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

well, one of them will be

unfortunately, it’ll probably be the 20 million man

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

at least 20

I watched part of the Mets feed last night when Santana was pitching and I think I could have gagged on the 13th reference to what a great competitor he is.

As opposed to the other 698 guys in MLB who are NOT great competitors.

I hope ST television coverage someday gets past the nose up the butt attitude that some of these announcers have.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly, im over both harang and arroyo

its not that i dont still like them, but ive moved on to thinking about a rotation full of young, extraordinary talent plus (crossing my fingers) brandon webb in the future.

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think he'd sign with the Reds?

Not that I don’t share your dream, but I can’t figure out why he would sign with the Reds and their tiny bandbox of a ballpark and what that would do to his numbers and how those numbers would hurt him when goes to sign the last pro baseball contract he will ever sign (i.e. after his deal with the Reds).

by timb116 on Mar 10, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Florence Freedom is close to his home?

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Groundballer

And he already pitches in a homer friendly park. The money more than anything will determine what happens.

by ken on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

it's kind of like trading cars every 4 years, huh?

But I guess I agree that the future of the Reds doesn’t hinge on the pitchers we once thought would get them there. I fear the shift toward the “new generation” doesn’t give us a staff full of sore arms like the Mets had about 10 years ago with Pulcifer and those guys.
We covered them on an earlier thread, if I recall properly.

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by johnu1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yessir

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by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Man sues Airline for not Looking at his Scrotum.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Mar 10, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Apple and the Beatles vs. PC and RUSH/Jimmy Buffett

Is that about where things are?

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

I know

they’re not bedfellows by any means, but taste-wise, that’s how things seem to shake out for people. Probably can replace beatles with British Invasion/60s pop/ free love vs. the raunchier harder rock of the Stones, heading toward Zeppelin and late 70s, 80s hard rock / metal.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed the Beatles discussion.

But I wanted to throw this dollop on top.. a professional musician once pointed out to me that the most astonishing thing about the Beatles is that they did what they did (the recorded portion, anyway) in something like six and a half years.

1963.. BOOM!… They hit us with “I Wanna Hold Your Hand.” (I like to point out that as cute and gentle and innocent as that single was/is, the first lyric on their first album proclaims: “She was just seventeen. You know what I mean?”)

By January 04 ’69 they were done. Exhausted, strung out and pissed off at each other (They did manage the pleasantly reflective “Two of Us” in these sessions. Awesome.) ..they threw down their instruments, walked out of the studio and told Phil Spector to go ahead and add strings and shit to their number one hits.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Should be "January of '69"

Odd that “of” became “04”… Justin, get out of my head!

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

a note

even though let it be was the beatles’ last release (and the shittiest, most poorly recorded and most off-base of what they were actually shooting for), abbey road (their best, most tightly and wonderfully produced and their most cohesive album) was actually recorded last. kind of amazing they came back from the shitshow that was the get back/let it be recordings and laid down one of the greatest albums of all-time.

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

Someone has pointed this out to me before and I JUST WILL NOT RETAIN IT!

And you’re also right… ‘Abbey Road’ is the snacks.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Chapman will not be in the opening day rotation. They are likely to keep Maloney because he’s a left-hander and still pretty young. Also I think Arroyo getting slotted to the 3 slot in the rotation sets the stage for a possible trade when Volquez comes back. Don’t expect any big surprises on the Opening Day roster

by CincyBlazerFan7180 on Mar 10, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

I don't understand how Arroyo's position in the rotation might tip the Reds hand as to their intentions with him.

And I think you’re right about Chapman and the Opening day roster (though I don’t know that it has much to do with Maloney’s age). I don’t expect any big surprises.

Mike Lincoln sneaking into the fifth spot might surprise some people but not in a ‘big’ way.

Drew Stubbs starting in centerfield might surprise a few folks. But not around here.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Arroyo in the 3 slot is just tactics. I don’t think they have any solid plans at this point. Volquez might not be back this year (and the Reds definitely shouldn’t rush him). When the trade deadline rolls around, they’ll probably consider trading several players, depending on what they’re offered.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i wil just say re:chapman

that i think we’re being a little hasty in assuming he won’t make the OD roster. yeah, it will be more expensive to move him up right away and yeah, he will likely have some control issues right away, but if youve got a guy who can consistently throw 100-102 and has a plus change and plus slider, there’s no way they’ll hide that guy in the minors.

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by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's what happens if he comes up on OD

and sticks: In 2013, the Reds will could be settling the 3rd arb year with Volquez, Votto and Cueto; The second or third year with Bruce; Bailey’s first, Stubbs’ first and possibly Leake or Wood. Add Chapman’s arb payout + $5MM dollars and that’s a huge amount of money paid out to about a fourth of the team in arbitration alone.

The Reds can avoid paying out at minimum $5MM + arb to Chapman that year by keeping Chapman in the minors until June. Considering he’s never paid professional ball in the United States and could use the fine-tuning and confidence boost, it seems like a foregone conclusion to me.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

we'll see

i stand by my statement

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not impossible

But I have trouble believing they’d be that shortsighted.

They can drive up ticket sales by showcasing him in ST and saying he has a shot at the rotation, while giving him some development / cultural adjustment time in the minors for the first few months this season and avoiding a financially challenging situation in the future.

I suspect the difference between having Chapman for two months to start the season and having someone like Maloney is relatively small right now. Chapman can rev it up to 100, but do you really want to test his control out in the majors immediately after he’s only had a month of exhibition games in the states where half the guys are experimenting or not taking things seriously and Chapman will end up with one or two six inning starts? He’s two valuable to rush.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

* too valuable

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 11, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not a matter of "hiding him in the minors"

If he has control issues, he has control issues. It’s the extent of those that will decide whether or not he belongs in the majors (plus things like repeatable delivery and preference for style of BBQ). He’s only thrown 26 live pitches against “big leaguers.” If the plan was to start him the minors, that plan shouldn’t have changed yet.

Personally, I think the Reds are talking up the possibility of him coming east with the team in order to sell tickets. Feed the buzz.

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus, those "big leaguers" happened to be Royals...

Just sayin’

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by crolfer on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i didnt say he's already earned his spot

i said if he continues to do what he did the other day throughout spring training. i remember there being a time when no one thought hamilton would make the team out of ST. I know it’s a different situation, but I believe that everyone actually has a shot to make the team.

as for selling tickets for ST games, that’s probably the last thing on the reds’ mind. they say everyone has a shot to make the team because thats the diplomatic thing to say and ensures the younger guys all try their hardest. also, as i said, i think it’s true.

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not ST tix, regular season tix

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think he looked particularly good last outing because of his competition. I have a feeling that as the camp carries on, he’ll start to have some issues. 100 MPH is impressive, but it ain’t worth nothing if hitters stop swinging at it, knowwhatimean?

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i didnt say otherwise

my point is, assuming he continues to strike out hitters at a rapid rate, keeps throwing 102 and keeps his walks down, he will make the team. do you disagree with that?

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

to a point

If he’s not throwing strikes regularly (i.e. if his strikes are coming strictly on swing and misses) then no, I don’t agree with that.Big leaguers adjust, and if he can’t force them to swing because he’s throwing strikes if they don’t, I believe he will struggle in the big leagues.

This is why I don’t like using ST to make a decision like this. It’s not real baseball.

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

youre not really addressing what im saying

your point seems to be, he shouldnt make the team out of ST no matter what. Mine is, I think he certainly could. Whether you would put him on the 25-man out of ST is irrelevant. My point is, if he keeps cleaning up, the REDS will put him on their roster.

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, my point is that he shouldn't

I don’t know if the Reds could or couldn’t because I don’t know what their plan is.

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

come on

of course you dont “know” their plan. Neither do I. That’s why I’m speculating. In my estimation, Chapman might make the OD roster. What do you think?

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

sure, he might

but that’s a dumb question.

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

that wasn't meant to be so curt

I just don’t find the might question that interesting. Anybody who is in camp might make the team, but that doesn’t mean they should.

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, you can call me dumb...

but leave my question out of this!!

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"I know it’s a different situation"

still, there were plenty of folks who thought he wouldnt make it

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

for fun, I went back to see what we had to say about Hamilton

it’s mostly cautious optimism. Some folks thought he would definitely make the team no matter what, some (obc) thought he’d have a breakout spring, and many thought he was a longshot to make the team, let alone get playing time.

Crolfer (I think he was 11 at the time)
BLee
greg456
obc
sidnancy (including my favorite line so far, “If you think Hamilton and Burton will get significant playing time (even if they both make the team), you smoke crack.”
Daedalus
Slyde (“(Hamilton) has a very slim chance of being in the Reds organization in 2007.”)
JinAZ
James Quinn
Slyde again (“Hamilton is an incredible long shot”)
Slyde again (“I think it would be a clear detriment to the team if Hamilton makes it in place of Denorfia.”)
Also in that thread is Red Menace ridiculing dmcgee for saying the Hamilton pickup was the best move of the winter meetings.
Jerry Narron
boobs

I would love to keep going, but obnoxiously, everything from Jan. 2007-October 2007 seems to misplaced in the archives, so i cant easily search for it. Regardless, it seems like Slyde and Sid Nancy were the least bullish on Hamilton making the team out of ST, and OBC seems to be the only one who was ready to order his Hamilton jersey in December. Things changed pretty quickly once ST started, and rightly so. That was a case where a guy earned his spot during meaningless exhibition games.

I realize that Hamilton’s Rule 5 and contract statuses made him a much different case than Chapman. But I still think if he is the most impressive pitcher in the system all spring, they’re going to put him on the OD roster.

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, where is Sidnancy these days?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm disappointed in the selective sentences you chose for me

though I will admit that I misjudged Denorfia’s prospects. However, calling a 26-year old with the history that Hamilton had at that point a longshot was hardly me being not bullish on Hamilton. I consider it very realistic.

Anyway, Hamilton’s case has nothing to do with Chapman. Hamilton had been heavily scouted. Hamilton was much more well known by the Reds than Chapman. And more importantly, rule 5 players only play themselves out of roster spots, not into them. Yes, Hamilton had a great spring, but all he had to do was prove that he could handle the big leagues because there was nothing else the Reds could do with him. Chapman needs to prove that he can adjust in the big leagues, which is something that I don’t think you can do in spring training.

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

we've hugged this out elsewhere

but i just want to clarify to the rest of the world that when i say you werent bullish on hamilton, i just mean you werent bullish on his chances to make the team. and neither was i. and that was justified.

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

cool

I’m glad we can still be friends. You know boobs, if I thought you weren’t my friend… I just don’t think I could bear it!

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by Slyde on Mar 11, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I had written an incredibly persuasive FanPost advocating for Hamilton

to stick with the Reds for all of 2007. Those blasted archives!

The closest thing to a RR referendum on the topic was this Daedalus poll right after the Rule 5. But it’s not exactly asking if Hamilton should stay with the team for all of ’07.

by ken on Mar 11, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

it seems like everything from the middle of 2007 has disappeared

this might be worth submitting a ticket for

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by boobs on Mar 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh

Must have been before I saw him play. I’m also guessing that I didn’t understand the whole Rule V thing.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I just read the last headline in the Reposter too fast...

And it got me wondering. Has the phrase “Straszle Dazzle” been used anywhere yet?

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

probably not, only because it doesnt rhyme

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, it's close enough.

When I move to DC, I’m going to start slipping it into conversations, see if I can get it to catch on.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Straszle Nozzle maybe

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, really?

Strasburg rhymes more with Bossburg than Assburg? Have I been pronouncing it wrong it my mind all this time? Damn, this is like “chic” and “balaclava” all over again.

by the finest muffins on Mar 10, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You need to call him "That young kid.. Assburg?"

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

boooo

At least wait until after cherry blossom season, when the city’s at its best. And definitely keep my name out of that plot, or I’m never going to get anyone to hire me there. :(

by the finest muffins on Mar 11, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

its pronounced “Strossburg”

Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...

by boobs on Mar 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd like a pudding pop.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

/shameless attempt to get rec'd'd

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

then set them on fire!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Now I really want to...

Dang it…

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Mar 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The shirt is what did it for me.

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me clear this up for everyone

Macs are better than PCs overall but PCs are a better value.

The fastest and most secure operating system I have ever seen is Unix, hands down.

The Beatles were pretty good, but #1 on the list of overrated bands ahead of The Doors and Nirvana. What do these bands all have in common?

Chapman will NOT make the opening day roster, and it will be because of the money.

Bill Cosby is my homeboy.

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

You know me

I like to make an entrance.

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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