Red Reposter - Dusty is as Dusty does
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 1, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Dusty seems to be pretty horned off at Chris Dickerson
After Dickerson wondered aloud to CTrent why he wasn't being considered for the CF position, Dusty fired back: "My thing is, if you have a beef with anyone, come to me." Dusty said he had a very long talk with Dickerson after that. I can't really blame Dickerson for being frustrated, but it gets pretty sophomoric when it all comes out in the funny pages like this. I hope the vitriol dissipates quickly. -
Baker says his lineup looks pretty well set
Even though Cactus League games haven't even started yet, Dusty already has the top 2/3 of the lineup card filled out.
Stubbs
Cabrera
Votto
Phillips
Rolen
Bruce
Why am I not surprised? I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and DIE of not surprise. Orlando Cabrera will most likely be the worst hitter in the Reds starting eight, yet he will get the 2nd-most PAs. -
Hall o' Famer Hal has another one of his "Ask Hal" pieces
God, I miss these. To wit:
"Q Would the record for most consecutive games played held by Cal Ripken Jr. be in jeopardy if Brett Favre played baseball? — Dave, Miamisburg/Centerville/Beavercreek."
Sigh. Seriously though:
"Q Do you think any of the current Reds players or coaches are future Hall of Famers? — Tim, Springfield, Va.
A The way folks are talking right now, Chapman is a shoo-in, even though his major league record is 0-0. But he does have a 0.00 ERA. Let’s see what happens with him. As for anybody else on the roster, I don’t see any of the older players landing in Cooperstown, unless they pay their way in. The younger players? Too early to tell."
Scott Rolen has an excellent case for the HoF, if you asked me. I'm afraid Hal is right though that he won't get in without paying admission. What a shame. -
The Fay spoke with Reds minor leaguer and (former) top prospect Chris Valaika
Chris tore through the low minors, earning the Chief Bender Award in '08 after hitting .319 and knocking in 81 as a SS. Then he moved to AAA last season and embarrassed himself. This time last winter many people were talking about him as the Reds' SS of the future, but today many people wonder if he'll even start in Louisville. He's a fascinating player, and I think still a very promising prospect. He likely can't play SS at the major league level, but I still think he could be an above-average 2B. He really stunk it up last season, but it was really only a few hundred PAs. That happens sometimes to even the best players. It's really easy to overlook him, what with all the phenomenal infield prospects the Reds have now in the high minors. But I'm not counting him out just yet. -
Chris Welsh is out in Arizona
and he saw Aroldis Chapman throw for the first time. His impression:
"He’s got a special arm. His fastball seems to pick up an extra gear about halfway to the plate. He’s tall and has a long stride, so that put him closer to the hitter. His fastball seems faster than it is."
Fay thinks Chapman will make the team out of ST. I think that is a near-impossibility, but it still gives me an anxious chill just hearing it. -
Dusty says he isn't worried about his contract situation
"It ain't no thing," Baker told MLB.com on Sunday. "You do your job the best that you can do it. I know we're going to win and everything will take care of itself. There's no sense worrying about what might be. It distracts from what is now."
Dusty is signed through this year, but after two lackluster seasons under his tutelage the Reds may be shy to bring him back. I think we will know whether or not before the 4th of July. If the team starts hot, he gets a new contract. If they don't, he gets Krivsky'd. -
Mike Lincoln has been knighted by Lord Baker to start the Reds' Cactus League opener
It seems a very queer choice, as Lincoln hasn't started a game in the bigs in 10 years. Apparently the Reds think he is in the running for the 5th rotation spot. I'm not sure how a guy with one solid pitch (his curve) who hasn't started a major league game since the Monica Lewinsky scandal and has had more surgeries than Joan Rivers (is that enough dated pop-culture references?) is supposed to win a rotation spot, but whatevs. -
Satchel Price at BtB profiles a few of the young center fielders who will be starting everyday this summer
and our very own Drew Stubbs shows up. It's an interesting read regardless, but I especially like the part where he projects Stubbs to be worth almost 3 WAR.
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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2010 8:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
C Dick needs to STFU. Show that you deserve the job on the field, don’t bitch and moan about it to the press.
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Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
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by Dave from Louisville on Mar 1, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think he was griping about not being handed the job
just that he wasn’t in the conversation for CF. Going to the media is a bum move etc etc, but C-Dick has been the most valuable outfielder the Reds have had over the last two seasons. He’s got cause.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
“I don’t think there’s any reason why I shouldn’t be able to play center field,” Dickerson said. “I’ve done a great job in center field. Many people don’t know that’s where I played until I came up. I was one of the top defensive center fielders. Like Stubbs, he was the best defensive outfielder in the system like I was the previous three years. My premiere position was center field. I proved I can play center field at the Major League level and be a good one at that.”
The "many people don't know" part
… is what always bugs me. The people who don’t know really aren’t being asked to GAF about this, are they?
Dickerson learned the first lesson of baseball — what is said here and heard here stays here.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
But we have Gomes back, so 2010 is saved!
In all seriousness, I just want the best 8 out there. At this point in time I don’t care who they are, I just want them out there. Unfortunately, I do not think The Dusty knows who his best 6 are, much less his best 8.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is The Dusty won't give Dickerson a shot to show he deserves the job on the field
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
C-Dick will play nearly every day in ST, especially on SS.
Dusty will prolly stick him on the ALWAYS ON THE TRAVEL SQUAD list. I’ll bet that C-Dick is n the Reds top 5 in ST PA’s this year. I also bet that he won’t knock the cover off the ball enough for him to earn a starting job.
Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige
I don't care if he knocks the cover off the ball, just as long as he finds 1B at least 37% of the time
When he does that, and Stubbs only finds 1B roughly 32% of the time, I hope The Dusty has the sense to play Dickerson in CF instead of Stubbs.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
he won't
Stubbs will be faster, or will be a better bunter, or just better at “playing the game the right way”…
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Zackly.
There had better be more than a five percent difference in their OBPs if anyone expects any Dodger Way saws to be put away.
FWIW- I wanna see Stubbs get maximum playing time so I’m cool with Dusty keeping his breakable toys on a shelf.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I have the feeling that were turning stubbs into willy Taveras
If we consider the future. I cannot see any scenario where c dick would be the better choice than stubbs long term
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by The Crushinator on Mar 2, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agreed.
Stubbs until/unless he hits his way back to AAA. Dickerson is at his ceiling, we have to let Stubbs discover what his ceiling is.
Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige
It would be neat-o to see a pitcher break Ripken's record
by ken on Mar 1, 2010 8:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Farve has to be a switch-hitter.
He can’t make up his mind about anything.
Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige
Another link
Reds impressed with Chapman so far (scroll down a bit)
It’s not news, but it’s nice to see it gaining some national attention. The Crasnick ESPN article was mainly about his adjustment, etc. This is specifically about how good he looks and how he could actually make the team out of ST. Although if he makes it as a bullpen arm, I’m going to be really mad. They wouldn’t do that, would they?
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Hope not
I don’t think it’d be that outrageous to put him in the pen later in the season, if the Reds were still in it. But sticking him there right away is nuts. And I don’t understand why no one is bringing up the contract implications. Putting him on the team out of ST makes no sense at all. I’m hoping this is a hype machine to sell tickets.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Cabrera
Who has he had hitting behind him in recent years? He’s been on three or four different teams and I don’t have time this morning to go looking at old AL lineups. Who are we talking about here? Mark Ellis? Because… Joey Vott > Mark Ellis.
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not a bad thought.
last year for the Twins he hit in the 2 hole in front of Mauer and went .289/.313/.430, 94 OPS+.
fangraphs combined his wRC+ from both the A’s and Twins so i don’t know what to take away from that.
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His wRC+ with OAK was 85, with MIN it was 96.
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I'm more interested in the Fay article on the line-up
Apparently, Fay dug a time capsule from 1963
"He’s the best selection I’ve got, power, speed," Baker said, "especially now that he’s learning to be an RBI man. I like (Scott) Rolen in the fifth spot, more than the fourth spot. It’ll give him better pitches to hit because Brandon might steal."
and
"You’ve got a left, two rights and possibly another left with Bruce after Scott," Baker said. "Right now, the No. 1 spot is Stubbs. If he doesn’t play, I can slot Dickerson in there without tearing up my lineup."
Brandon’s the best choice to his fourth because he has power AND speed (Lou Gehrig’s base-stealing was so common that his steals for the ‘27 Yanks weren’t even recorded and don’t get me started on how Johnny Bench and Tony Perez were terrors on the basepaths for the BRM). But that weirdness aside, is that next bit even in English ("he’s LEARNED to be an RBI man)? At some point in Brandon’s past did he see runners on base and not understand he should try and drive the run in.
Look, I don’t mind Dusty. Even now, I’m looking at that line-up and thinking of about six ways it could be changed for the better. At the same time, I remember Casey Stengel said the secret of being a good manager was “keeping the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided,” i.e., he never said it was forming a perfect line-up.
Still, Dusty is a relic. How long do you think Dusty and Joe Maddon could spend in a room together without one of them stomping off in disgust?
Yeah, it's silly
but lineups are those things we bitch about when we’re tired of bitching about everything else. Will it make a difference? Probably not, but you’d at least like your manager to sound logical in the decisions that he’s making.
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True, and lineup order doesn't matter so much as who's in the lineup
and I’m happy to say that for the first time in years, I don’t mind who’s in the lineup.
It’s actually kind of exciting, thinking about a quality hitter like Dickerson, Gomes,
or Heisey(?) hitting as low as 7th because there’s enough quality in the top of the order.
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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
we keep bellyaching about the batting order. When Dickerson, Hernandez and the left fielder from the generic rack are included, our focus — like Butch and Sundance — should probably be on surviving the fall, rather than complaining that we can’t swim.
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Rec'd.
I don’t know if I’m ‘excited’ about the lineup yet (I’m kinda leaving that up to young Jay) but for the first time since everything was centered around Griffey and Dunn I do not have the feeling that two out of every three innings might end with the ball never leaving the infield.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
You mean you liked last year's lineup?
Or are you saying that last year’s lineup was groundout-tastic!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone looked at the RC differential between batting O-Cab 2nd or NOT?
I’d guess we’re talking about 2 wins over 162 games. If I’m close, that’s a big problem, and worth bitchin’ about.
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BP is really an ideal 6 or 7 hitter
Speed is more valuable there than at the cleanup spot because there will be less slugging behind him. His power will still be a big help because of the on-base machines ahead of him, while his relatively low OBP won’t hurt as much. Oh well.
by ken on Mar 1, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
also, I've been advocating BP hitting that low because he makes decent contact
I like mid-range power guys who make pretty good contact in the 6-spot in the order as a “last ditched effort” to get those runners in before the dregs of the order come up to bat. I actually don’t think it’s an insult to BP for him to bat 6th. I think that’s where his skillset fits best.
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I worry with on-base machines ahead of BP, he'll increase his GIDPs
If Cabrera’s gonna bat 2nd, why the Hell not BP?
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think he looks better in a Reds uniform.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
RBI Man
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh, and I'll take the contrarian position on Dickerson
Certainly, the coach who noted Stubbs had already won the CF job in January (see Slyde’s fantasy camp) means it is common knowledge and now Chris looks at the situation and is annoyed. It’s one thing for all of us to say “he should go and win the job.” It’s another that it’s clear to him that he won’t be able to win it unless the kid hits a .150 thru May. If I were him, I’d definitely think that was fundamentally unfair.
This was the point I was going to make
but I would also add that it does him no good to bitch about it in the media.
I think he’s justified in being upset. Stubbs hasn’t done anymore to deserve the start than Dickerson, and Dickerson wasn’t the first person I heard say the job was already Stubbs.
It’s a no win situation for Dickerson. He’s being punished for being fragile to the point that even if he’s the better player he won’t be named starter because he might get hurt. I have no idea how that makes any sense.
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I don't think he's being punished for being fragile
I think he is fragile, but that’s not the reason he’s behind Stubbs. That may be what Dusty says, but it’s not like he could say, “We think he sucks.”
Dickerson, near as I can tell, has never been considered anything but a backup outfielder. Stubbs was a first-round draft pick, while Dickerson was taken in the 16th round. The Stubbses of baseball are always going to get preferential treatment over the Dickersons.
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by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, but it doesn't mean that we should just accept it
nor should Dickerson.
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I think he should accept
that his best chance of staying in baseball may be as a fourth outfielder or platoon player. In particular…rather than griping that he’s not good in the corners and wants to play CF, get better at playing corner OF. If he can play CF, he should be able to play corner OF.
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I agree, he was stupid for bitching in the press
I disagree that he should accept the role though. If he was 32, maybe, but at his age, he should still be fighting to start.
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I agree with you Slyde
At this point Dickerson is trying to avoid being type cast as a 4th/platoon outfielder. He knows that if he doesn’t get an opportunity in the next year or two he will spend the rest of his career in that role.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I'm not sure that Dickerson isn't the leading candidate for LF anyway
at least in a platoon. They are definitely not going to put Gomes out there everyday, given his bad defense and L/R splits.
And unless a dark horse like Heisey or Wlad wins the job, I think Dickerson is the current front runner. That’s part of the reason I don’t have much sympathy for Dickerson. He’s basically bitching not that he wants to play, but that he wants to play CF. Even though he can’t stay healthy and can’t hit lefties.
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yeah, he definitely shouldn't be an everyday starter at any position
the Reds have too many right-handed OF bats to have to put up with the way he hits lefties.
I still advocate the 3 OF for 2 spots platoon.
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Agreed
Stubbs in CF, Wlad or Gomes in LF, with C-Dick getting 2-3 starts a week split over the two positions.
He could also be the first LH pinch hitter off the bench on days he’s not starting, and/or a LIDR for Gomes in LF.
He’d still play a lot and hopefully stay healthy.
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maybe
He’s bummed out that he might have to change his “number1centerfielder” e-mail address.
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by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
number4leftfielder doesn't quite have the same ring to it
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by BK on Mar 1, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Is this Dickerson’s facebook page? I know I’m the last person who should criticize somebodies typing, spelling and grammar mechanics, but he misspelled Cincinnati in cincinnatireds.com… He gives us a link to http://www.cincinattireds.com apparently he traded an n for a t.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
He does have an annoying tendency to get on base in the majors (at a .370 clip no less)
maybe he assumed that was part of the gig?
Again, the main point isn’t that he doesn’t get to play center; it’s the why. Because the organization decided before a pitch was thrown in ST that Stubbs was the guy. This is exactly the sort of move most of us would say is incongruent with “small market/resource utilization” (even though the Reds are actually a medium market) , i.e., you don’t give the job to one guy just because he was drafted higher. You base that decision on talent anbd production.
At any rate, I expect Drew will win the job outright, because of his combo of power and defense. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t earn it. After all, if small sample size means I cannot use his high K/BB and low OBP to criticize his MLB performance last season, then the Reds shouldn’t exclude a viable option based on it either.
I think Stubbs is the guy
based on talent. Or at least, how the Reds have judged talent.
I would like to see the Reds be a little more imaginative, and give some unconventional players a chance. But not in this case. If they didn’t have a highly regarded CF prospect, then I’d be all for giving Dickerson a chance. Heck, maybe he’d even learn to hit lefties, given the chance. But we do have one, and he needs to play his position every day.
I wanted to see Janish get a shot, because it’s the kind of thing a team like the Reds needs to try, IMO…but not if there was a better prospect ready for the majors.
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How do you conclude that 'the Reds' are a 'medium market?'
I can’t think of ten MLB teams that would rather trade markets with the Reds.
1. Kansas City
2. Pittsburgh
3. Tampa
4. San Diego
5. Oakland
6. Milwaukee(?)
7. Baltimore(?)
8. Washington(?)
Hit me.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit? Cleveland? Florida? Colorado?
I think at least two of these teams would.
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by BK on Mar 1, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit
would like to trade Detroit.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
How many Tigers fans are there outside of Michigan?
Just because they have an owner that spends money doesn’t mean they wouldn’t take the opportunity to get into a bigger market.
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by BK on Mar 1, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Tigers been there a long long time
They have a fan base. Outside of the Motown Middle, there is some serious Tiger interest. All in all, the recession apparently seems to galvanize Michiganders more than in some other places. And maybe they understand recessions a little more than some others do.
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I'm not so sure that the tri-state area is that much bigger than greater Detroit.
And I guess I’m talking about population and media market size.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Here. FWIW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
Cincinnati is 24th. Below Pittsburgh and Portland but ahead of the big city that’s never on the tip of anyone’s tongue… Sacramento.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I like Sacramento
Adam Rosales may be playing there…
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but apparently Cincinnati and Dayton's metro area are about to merge
So that should bump us up the list.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Doesn't the rest of Reds country count, though?
Detroit is hedged in by Cleveland, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Toronto. Cincinnati has no competition to the south until Atlanta.
by the finest muffins on Mar 1, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
there used to be one in Hawaii.
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Forgot about Florida.
But no way to Detroit. And pretty much no way to Cleveland. (I’ll grant you that these are the two American cities shrinking like almost no others..)
And now that I think about it I can’t think of a reason why the Brewers would make more money in CIncinnati.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think Cleveland would trade with Cincinnati in a heartbeat
The Reds have the majority of Ohio, plus Kentucky and WV, half of IN, and part of TN. Cleveland has northern Ohio, and what? Half of western PA and that’s it? I think they’d make much more money with the Reds market.
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by BK on Mar 1, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus is an Indians town.
And it will only become more so now that the Clips feed the Tribe.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think you've overrating the Reds market a bit.
The Reds may have had those areas in the past, but with technology these days, I’m not sure that having radio and TV reach those areas means the same that it did before. I bet you’ll find more Yankees fans than Reds fans in West Virginia.
I agree with you Geki
I felt a very large Cleveland Indians presence while I was at Ohio Northern. Even people from Columbus, Lima, and Findlay areas, which use to be more Reds territory (because Cincinnati is 2 hours straight down I-75, were as Cleveland is 3-4 hours away using a number of non-interstate highways to get there) are pretty heavily Cleveland fans. Go into the Wal-Marts and Meijers up there, they have more Indians than Reds gear. The last 15 years of mostly Reds failure and Indians success has grown the Indians fan base.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
That's 'cause Wal-Mart is ghetto like the Indians
the Reds OWN Target
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It's not about metro size; it's about revenue
and profitability and, when you’ve extorted the city for almost all the costs involved of runbning of a Stadium and you get all the profits, you’re doing pretty well
the reds have one of the sweetest deals on the planet
which pales besides the robbery the Bengals commit every season…
Still by most standards, the Reds are bank robbers
The issue is whether the Reds are bank robbers relative to the rest of MLB
I don’t think they are. The Pirates for one didn’t have to pay a cent for their new park.
The point being that nearly all teams got a sweetheart deal on their home parks, which means the Reds are small market by virtue of their metro size.
by ken on Mar 1, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ken, it's not how much you paid to build the Stadium
It’s the money from parking, concessions, and associated fees. it’s the cost of utilities, grounds crew, and maintenance.
The Reds pay almost none of those costs and reap close to 100% of the concessions and parking. IT is/was a terrible deal for the city, who built the facility for the Reds to make a profit and now have to pay the Reds to use it. I’ll grant you, it’s not like the Bengals. who have a deal so monumentally wonderful for them, someone should go to jail (the city of Cincinnati pays all the maintenance etc AND guarantees them a certain number of sell-outs per season. If they don’t sell out, the city has to buy the tickets!)
That means the Reds pay for travel and player costs. What happens at the yard is almost pure profit for them. Letting them claim poverty is foolish.
See here
Cost: $325 million
Public financing: $280 million, or 86 percent, primarily from a half-cent-per-dollar sales tax increase approved by the voters in 1996
Private financing: $45 million, or 14 percent, primarily from a naming rights deal with Great American Insurance Company
Lease: 35 years (2003-2037); $2.5 million annually for the first 9 years; One dollar annually for the final 26 years; The Reds keep all revenue generated by the ballpark
you are missing his point
Every team has sweet deals like that. When you are comparing markets, you can basically ignore those deals because they all have them. The Reds are still “poor” compared to their opponents. I believe that’s his point.
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And my point is that you're both wrong (although I don't mean in an angry or bitch-y way)
Most teams pay leases and most team have to split concessions and parking. The Reds have an awesome deal
But is that awesome deal..
..enough to offset the most distinct disadvantage the Reds face- our cute little media market size?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
the Reds market is not as small as everyone says
they’ve just sucked so long that it seems to have shrunk (and the chub$ usurped some of it with their quasi-winning pukable loser ways).
when they start winning again the market will grow like bandwagon weeds.
One of the articles I read
when i was trying to research market size for the people here who love my opinions so much, noted that in 2001 the Reds were the “most efficient” market in all of baseball. By that they meant the metro size was 2.2 million and the Reds drew that many fans. The base is there.
Putting a winning team on the field might make this Indianapolis resident end his boycott of Loser-dom 8 (these sequels keep getting tiresome) and get me and my family down to the stadium.
I dunno.
The Reds media market (and fan base) is and I think always will be one of the smallest eight or ten in Major League Baseball. Even if they were to spend the next generation maximizing their potential (winning) they’re never gonna make Brewers and Twins and Giants fans think, “Man, the Reds have it so good.”
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
i dont believe that
the Yankees have the biggest media market in the world, but in the late 80s-early 90s when they sucked hind tit no one showed up. i know it sounds like an over-simplification, but winning does indeed cure everything.
well that, and owning your own tv network.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
that's true
They spent a lot of money, but still sucked. And you could buy a $5 bleacher ticket and sit behind home plate, because the place was a tomb.
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That's just it.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I have the feeling that television contracts (or direct advertising revenue from them if you happen to own the network) is at least as important to a team’s bottom line as how many fans are in your stadium and how much cotton candy they’re buying.
By the way, I’ve looked at the Wikipedia list again and I’ve changed my mind about the Brewers. They might actually wish to trade places with the Reds as Milwaukee’s market is only 60-70% the size of Cincinnati’s.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, that's why we have revenue sharing
Much liek steroids, the small market bores me and I’m sorry I started it. I think I would favor a salary cap and floor just to avoid team executives whining about payrolls
Speaking of revenue sharing..
Is it still the case that every games’ visiting team gets 40% of the revenue from ticket sales?
So it’s possible that the Pirates might make as much money on a Saturday night in Philadelphia as they would on a Tuesday night in Pittsburgh.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Although I'm usually in agreement with Scrabbles
I take exception the winning cures everything solution. And this is coming from a guy who used to believe that winning indeed cures everything. In today’s economy, today’s hi-tech environment and with all the competition for leisure money winning is only part of the solution. the Bengals had a very good season in 2009 but had to rely on city and corporate buyouts to fill the stadium.Other factors that play into filling the stadium and making a team profitable are:
1. Star players…people go to see the Stars
2. Promotional Events – not stupid gimmicks but real value promotions like family night ticket purchases
3.Affordable concessions
4. Affordable parking
5. Star players
6. Free Beer
7. A lovable manger
8. Home Runs
9. Strike out pitchers
10. Star Players
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
Paying for parking
is the province of portly porkers.
Ambulate, man!
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Mar 2, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Amen!
And leave the better spots for people bringing young baseball fans to the games!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Easier said than done
If you know somewhere you can park for free and then walk to the game on the Cincinnati side, then by all means enlighten me. I’d love to find such a mythical place. I know of a few on the Kentucky side, but they’re almost more hassle than they’re worth.
There are always spots up on Court Street
usually there are spots on Broadway or Main north of 7th.
I mean, there are often open spots right there on Third!
but they’re almost more hassle than they’re worth.
The key is that willingness to walk.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Mar 2, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
It's not so much a lack of willingness to walk
as it is a lack of willingness to get shot, raped, robbed, and thrown into the river.
and to that sir,
i can only offer one giant
PPSSHAW!
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Mar 2, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
..get shot, raped, robbed, and thrown into the river
Come on.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I also discovered this year
That there are often spots on Pete Rose Way, just past Sawyer Point. Street parking, totally free, an easy one-street walk to the stadium.
by the finest muffins on Mar 2, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Tell that to all the out of towners who are terrified to be on foot downtown after dark.
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
that ain't nothing
once my car was towed and I walked to Over the Rhine at 11 PM to get my car. I’m still breathing.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
that dumb story is a bad look for you
stop telling it.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Mar 2, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but the bengals get only 8 chances at making money a year
the reds get 81
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
Sure, but football and baseball stadium experiences are totally different
I don’t think anybody can argue that watching football on TV isn’t vastly superior to watching football in person, especially given the incredibly mediocre atmosphere at Paul Brown Stadium. With baseball, you aren’t necessarily gonna miss much by being at the game, even if you’re sitting in the nosebleeds. Give me HD football and live baseball any day of the week — and I’m a huge football fan.
i can see that.
i would like to add that i do not enjoy basketball live nearly as much as on TV, EXCEPT if i have some great seats near the front
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ahm ya huckleberry one mo gin
there is nothing akin to the catharsis of being a part of that massive, hyped mob; all aching for one singular goal.
Also, you can see the receivers downfield.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Mar 2, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Massive, hyped mob aching for one goal?
Pretty much why going to soccer games is the most fun I have at live sporting events.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 2, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
maybe punished isn't the right word
but Dusty limits his playing time based on past injuries. at least he said so on thursday. and that’s ridiculous.
Sonny my pitched my wild
Guess he wasn't paying attention to Kerry Wood in 1999?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
pitchers don't count
If the arm is attached, they’re game. (At least in his Cubbie days)
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
fragile
I think his injuries have mainly been legitimate. Some people just break easier than others.
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Which is ironic
since he’s the son of one of the baddest mofos to ever play football
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details, details
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
come on
if you watched any games on mlb.tv or extra innings you gotta know that. George said it like every time Dickerson did anything.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I think I actually saw 2 games live last year
Thanks for reminding me, jerk.
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get mlb.tv
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
may not be fair
But that’s the way it is in baseball, and Dickerson has to know that. You’re supposed to pretend you’re supporting the team, not gripe about how they’re treating you and about how your teammate is getting a better deal.
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Are you serious?
The idea these guys care any more about the team then the team does them (Either will discard the other in a moment for a better deal) is crazy. Dickerson shouldn’t whine to the press, because it violates Dusty’s code. As such, it only hurts his chances
huh?
That’s pretty much what I said.
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you're right and I read your comment wrong.
Sorry.
Remember when Seinfeld said that rooting for a baseball team is really just rooting for laundry. Most insightful joke he ever made
by timb116 on Mar 1, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Let's reserve judgement until after "The Marriage Ref"
NBC is just in a race to oblivion at this point.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 1, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
But I have to say, I find it hard to root for the laundry. And I think a lot of people do.
I was talking to a friend of mine who’s a Pirates fan yesterday. We were considering going to spring training in Florida together – something she’s dreamed of all her life. But she doesn’t want to go any more, because they blew up the team last year. She no longer knows any of the players. She says she’s not even going to watch the spring training games on TV.
I thought the fire sale was a daring and probably smart thing to do, but apparently Pirates fans and the local media hated it. They went from seeing Nutting as the savior to “we’re never going to win as long as he’s around.”
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hey i'm getting $10 for nothing from a Pirates fan
my roommate bet me $10 the Pirates will have a better season than the Reds.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I'm with you on the laundry comment
but my impression is that many Pirates’ fans like the player churn. The idea is that in some not too distant year, they’ll stop and be right there in the thick of it with a cornupcopia of prospects. Maybe that’s just a rationalization. I’ll bet they sell off players this year again.
Nutting was quoted
as saying the selloff won’t happen. Naturally, they don’t have much left in salary to dump so it’s hard to say how they can get any closer to the bone.
They have have a couple of spare parts they can unload.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
some of their pitching is in arby years
and they’ll get rid of Ryan Doumit. I bet they’re hoping he’ll bounce back.
I don't think he has an argument
Stubbs is the better player. C-Dick had his chances, and he didn’t take advantage of them. It sucks that he got hurt, but that is a part of the game. You can count on someone who is fragile.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
I disagree with pretty much all of this
Minors Bigs Dickerson .260/.363/.414 .283/.383/.440 Stubbs .269/.364/.401 .267/.323/.439
Outside of draft position, what says that Stubbs is the better player in 2010? As for the “can’t count on someone who is fragile” part, why not? Why can’t someone who gets hurt still win out in the starting spot if he is the better player? Is it better to start a lesser player because he might stay healthy?
I don’t know who is the better player of the two, though I think Dickerson is more likely to maintain his OBP than Stubbs is to maintain his power. Maybe Stubbs will get some OBP back in place of the lost power (I think he will, actually), but there is nothing about either players’ performance that makes me think that Stubbs deserves to start over Dickerson.
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe
The fact that Dickerson’s numbers are six years, hitting the majors at age 26, while Stubbs are four years, hitting the majors at age 24?
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Stubbs may have more talent
my point is, who is going to be the better hitter in 2010. I’m not worried about the long-term future – I have no long-term future without 2010. :) If you evaluate the two players today, I have no reason to believe that Stubbs is clearly superior. He may be superior, but it is not definitive.
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could go along with that
But how their left/right splits? Is it true Dickerson can’t lefties?
In any case, I don’t think “who will be the better hitter in 2010” is the only criteria. If they really think Stubbs is the CFer of the future, he has to start every day in CF.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Dickerson has never hit lefties successfully
Career in minors: .223/.328/.319
Career in bigs: .259/.362/.345
I’d definitely wouldn’t plan on playing him against lefties.
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I absolutely believe Stubbs will be better in 2010 than C-Dick...IMO
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think Stubbs has to be the everyday CF, until he proves he can’t do it. This is a stunning reversal for Dusty, and a welcome one, that the younger and more talented player gets the spot.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
I wonder if it's Dusty's decision
I would imagine the front office would be involved with a prospect like Stubbs. They wouldn’t call him up unless he was going to play every day.
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As he should
I have no problem with a C-Dick/Gomes platoon in LF however.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
But Stubbs might have hit the majors sooner than Dickerson
Since he was qualified to take Tavaras’s position since he was a twinkle in Jerry Narron’s eye, besides that one guy you can’t get half a season out of named Dickerson
Pretty striking
And the age difference could also mean that Dickerson is hitting his prime, while Stubbs could struggle this year and run into a sophomore slum. Lack of restraint aside, Dickerson is perfectly justified in saying he should be on equal footing with Stubbs.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Is a sophomore slum a really bad dorm?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I agree with pretty much all of this
Working under the assumption that our CF leads off under The Dusty’s watch, I’d rather have Dickerson and his OBP leading off as opposed to Stubbs and his lack of MLB OBP leading off.
I also do not think Stubbs is the far superior defender in CF compared to Dickerson.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, that Dickerson’s bat trumps Stubbs’s bat, and the D is pretty much moot. Even if you want to give Stubbs a defensive edge, Dickerson’s bat still makes up that difference.
Stubbs has also experienced injuries while in the minors, so it’s not like he’s Adam Dunn healthy.
I guess it really does come down to the fact Drew Stubbs is/was a 1st Round Draft pick, and if Dickerson wins the CF job over Stubbs, it’s admitting that Stubbs deserves some of the bust label.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Contacts issues, low SLG in the minors, low OBP in the majors, etc
For a kid that played 3 years of college ball, he didn’t exactly ascend quickly through the farm. He also seemed to, and to some extent still is having lingering effects from the aluminum to wood switch.
I mean he’s not as big of a bust as Mesoraco, but Stubbs sure isn’t a lock to be a great player at this point of his career.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even know where to start.
He’s always had contact issues. You don’t have to hit .300 or strike out 50 times a season to be a good player, and his contact issues have shown improvement. His low minor league slugging was more a result of the Reds having him work on those contact issues, and when he hit hte majors he obviously showed that he has power. He was a league average hitter in his 200 PAs in the majors last year from a position that you don’t generally get league average offensive production from, all while playing exceptional defense.
Either you have no idea what the word “bust” means or your expectations are unrealistically high. Or, most likely, you hate Drew Stubbs because he drafted himself over Tim Lincecum. Oh, wait, the Reds drafted him over Tim Lincecum. That’s not his fault, it’s unfair to hold it against him as a player, and it certainly doesn’t make him a bust. We’d all love to have Tim Lincecum, but Drew Stubbs is going to be a consistent 3+ win player for the Reds and I’d take him any day of the week over Chris Dickerson, who has, let’s see…contact issues, low SLG in the minors AND majors, took considerably longer than Stubbs to reach the majors, can’t hit lefties, and has shown much less capacity to stay healthy than Stubbs has.
Ks don't bother me. Lack of BB, however...
I’d rather Stubbs put up a Dickersonian OBP, rather than SLG North of .400. If Stubbs is going to leadoff, OBP is the number I care about, not SLG.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
K's bother me when they show the guy can't work a count
If he can’t make contact, he ain’t gonna walk much. Dude is no Adam Dunn
Highlifeman never said
that Drew Stubbs is/will be a bust. He said that playing Dickerson in CF over Stubbs would be like admitting that Stubbs is (somewhat at least) a bust, if it were to happen.
Bingo was his name-o
If a non-1st Round Draft pick beats out a 1st Round Draft pick (as he should), IMO it means the 1st Round Draft pick is a bust.
Fortunately for Stubbs, I have a feeling he’ll be the starting CF for Opening Day, and Dickerson will platoon in LF, and if our team sucks offensively, Dickerson will be one of the scapegoats (probably along with BP).
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
If the offense 'sucks' I don't think we're gonna scratch our heads and wonder how to get Stubbs more playing time.
I think we’re gonna be looking to this guy:
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
CORRECTION: "..get DICKERSON more playing time."
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Bruce has a better year than BP, which makes BP a suitable lack of offense scapegoat candidate
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
If Bruce has a significantly better year than BP..
..either BP is falling off or the Reds are winning more than 75 games.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
TRIVIA!
Name the nine Reds with an OPS+ greater than 95 last season. (I’m excluding Juan Fransisco and Wilkin Castillo and their combined 28 PAs.)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
You get 1/9 of a cookie.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
OPS+ 127 in ~300 PAs.
140 at home because HE LOVES YOU, CINCINNATI !!!!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Bruce, Wlad, Stubbs, Dickerson
I’m pretty sure on those four, to go along with BP, Rolen, Votto, and Gomes. The last one has me stumped. Did Eddie manage to bring his numbers up enough before he was dealt?
Ix-nay on the Encarnacion-nay.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
98 in ~350 PAs
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
He was.
In July.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I only have a vague sense of what OPS+ is...
but I’ll guess Owings.
Also, I think it would be fantastic if both Stubbs and Dickerson were among the 9.
by the finest muffins on Mar 1, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, Muffins! You guessed correctly.
And I hadn’t even looked down at the pitchers’ batting stats so…. there are TEN Reds with a 2009 OPS+ greater than 95. (Owings was 109 in 58 PAs)
And here’s your quick OPS scale to make it a little less vague:
Joey Votto’s 2009 OPS+: 155
Brandon Phillips’s: 102
Scott Rolen: 102
Willy Tavares’s: 48
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
And you think fantastic, by the way.
As Geki pointed out, Stubbs and Dickerson were at 99 and 97 respectively.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
What, no picture prize for me?
(sad face)
by the finest muffins on Mar 1, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I like how nobody says "Oh, snap" anymore
Except white heterosexual male bloggers.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
OH SNAP!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Oh shit.
That’s funny.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Well, hush my mouth!
Unless you’re a straight white dude. In which case.. Hey.
(Told ya.)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'm laughihng soooooooooo hard right now
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MUFFINS !!!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Let's go with Door #1
Or, it could be a combination that they both have “off” years, and BP’s is just that awful
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
When Stubbs hit the majors, he hit for power, but that was about it.
His AVG dropped some, his OBP dropped 30 points, his BB decreased, his Ks increased (although I don’t really care about Ks as long as you have a solid OBP to offset the Ks).
I don’t hate Drew Stubbs, I hate that we drafted for need, and Stubbs really only brings defense to the table. That’s his consistent skill. His contact isn’t consistent, he’s proven his OBP isn’t consistent, and now he’s proven his SLG isn’t consistent. I want some consistency. Chris Dickerson gives me that. Dickerson’s defense and OBP is consistent, therefore I feel like he’s a better player right now. Big deal that Dickerson can’t hit lefties. Platoon him with someone who can hit lefites.
I want the best right now. I don’t care who’s the best next year, I want the best right now.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
We have 1/3 of a season's worth of major league data on Stubbs
and about 2/3 of a season’s worth of data on Dickerson. Neither has had any kind of opportunity to show anything resembling consistency in the majors.
Chris Dickerson’s minor league numbers: .260/.363/.414, 2.09 K/BB
Drew Stubbs’ minor league numbers: .269/.364/.401, 1.98 K/BB
Statistically, I don’t see a whole lot of difference. Of course, Dickerson had two extra years in the minors to bring his numbers up and scouts have always liked Stubbs more in pretty much every facet of the game. I want the best player now too, I’m just convinced that the best player is Drew Stubbs. Give Stubbs a chance to show he can get on base like he did in the minors (I see no reason why he wouldn’t) before you assume that he can’t get on base. Meanwhile, Dickerson can platoon in LF with Gomes and pick up the occasional start in CF when Stubbs needs a break. It’s the best move for this year and especially for the future. You’ll be thankful when Drew Stubbs is a monster CF in Cincinnati for years to come.
Without talking past each other...
I’d definitely argue that in Dickerson’s 421 MLB PAs he’s established consistency with his OBP in the fact that he’s been at least .370 or better between 2 seasons to go with his minor league OBP of .363.
Taking a look @ Drew Stubbs, we see a lack of consistency between his minor league OBP and his major league OBP, .364 to .323 respectively. We also see a lack of consistency between his minor league SLG and his major league SLG, .401 to .439 respectively.
Since you brought up BB, I also prefer Dickerson and his BB%, which also shows consistency from his minor league days to his major league days. Dickerson’s BB% has been at least 12.5% @ every level except AA. Stubbs, on the other hand, has been inconsistent with his BB%, ranging between 7.1% and 14%. Unfortunately, @ the MLB level, his BB% has only been 7.7%. Clearly it has the potential to increase, but if it will remains to be seen.
I’m convinced the better leadoff option between Dickerson and Stubbs is Dickerson. While it’s defensively beneficial to play both Dickerson and Stubbs vs RHP, it’s offensively detrimental since Dickerson is a high OBP low SLG guy low OPS guy, and Stubbs is a low OBP high SLG low OPS guy. Having 2 low OPS guys in the same lineup (also combined with Orlando Cabrera mind you) is not a way to maximize offensive output. While both Dickerson and Stubbs are great defensively, their ability to save runs does not adequately make up for their combined ability to not create runs.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Say it with me: Small Sample Size
Neither 421 plate appearances nor 196 plate appearances is enough to establish any kind of trend. Dickerson had a ridiculously hot month when he first came up two years ago, but I don’t really think you can draw much of a conclusion from such minimal exposure. Last year he played part time in almost exclusively favorable situations. While I’d agree that Dickerson will probably put up a marginally better OBP, I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that the 40 point difference between the two last year is going to hold up in the long run. Players shouldn’t be chosen based on where they’ll play in the lineup, but rather which one is actually better. Picking out your players by lineup position is why we’ve been stuck with Corey Patterson and Willy Taveras the past two years.
I agree that an optimal lineup would not have both Stubbs and Dickerson in it, but until the Reds sign/trade for/promote a better option in LF, having Stubbs in CF and Gomes/Dickerson platooning in LF is the best option. Opposing players hit the ball to LF just as much as they hit it to the rest of the OF, and having Dickerson/Stubbs/Bruce across the OF is going to help the pitching staff a whole lot more than Gomes/Dickerson/Bruce, and I’m not sure the overall offensive package is going to be a whole lot different. Dickerson’s also better suited for a bench role, given his expansive injury history and experience playing all three OF spots, as opposed to just one. If you start Dickerson in CF, what do you propose we do with Stubbs? Platoon him with C-Dick while he gets two starts a week and doesn’t get experience against major league pitching? Put him on the bench full time and further exacerbate that issue? Send him to AAA despite the fact that he hit better than Dickerson last year and probably doesn’t have much more to learn in the minors at age 25? I know you want to win this year, but putting Chris Dickerson in CF isn’t going to make this team noticeably better this year and has a good chance of making it worse in the future. I really don’t see the benefit to handing Dickerson the CF spot unless Stubbs comes out of the gate and completely sucks it up.
Small sample size
Now say it with me, Dickerson’s consistent with his OBP ;).
Players shouldn’t be chosen based on where they’ll play in the lineup, but rather which one is actually better. Picking out your players by lineup position is why we’ve been stuck with Corey Patterson and Willy Taveras the past two years.
Fundamentally, I want to agree with you, but unfortunately I have to account for The Dusty. Since our CF leads off, I then have to skew my logic to reflect that edict. Because of The Dusty’s mantra, I want Dickerson to play CF, therefore he’ll lead off. Based on recent press clippings, it sounds like Dickerson’s not even in the running to be the LF starter vs RHP. If The Dusty were to start both Dickerson and Stubbs in the same lineup vs RHP, I’d want Dickerson to leadoff, b/c IMO he’s the better leadoff hitter.
Now, to answer some of your other questions….
If you start Dickerson in CF, what do you propose we do with Stubbs? Platoon him with C-Dick while he gets two starts a week and doesn’t get experience against major league pitching? Put him on the bench full time and further exacerbate that issue? Send him to AAA despite the fact that he hit better than Dickerson last year and probably doesn’t have much more to learn in the minors at age 25?
Platoon Stubbs in CF with Dickerson. Give the LHP PAs to Stubbs. I like our lineup with Dickerson leading off and LF by committee vs RHP. Vs LHP, start Gomes in LF, Stubbs in CF.
The MLB level is not the place to develop Stubbs. He stunk up the joint in AAA last year, and made his MLB debut only b/c of multiple OF injuries. If we think Stubbs is still not fully developed, then send him down to AAA. That will only happen in my perfect world, unfortunately.
Stubbs SLG’d better than Dickerson last year, but he certainly didn’t “hit” better than Dickerson. Dickerson hit for a higher AVG (oh god, did I actually just support my position with AVG?), and had a better OBP. Speaking of SLG and Stubbs, he certainly did so without hitting doubles, which still amuses the Hell out of me, but that’s another issue entirely.
I don’t want to “hand” CF to either guy. I want to make sure we play the “best” player, and right now I feel like that player is Chris Dickerson. I want either Stubbs or Dickerson to show The Dusty who is the “best” CF. Unfortunately The Dusty has to allow that opportunity to happen. In the future, I hope our best CF is Drew Stubbs, or else I will consider him a bust, based on not being a viable long-term option.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say he "stunk up the joint in AAA"
I also think it will stunt Stubbs if you don’t allow him to bat against righties and lefties. His minor league career slash line versus LHP is .263/.351/.388 versus RHP .269/.365/.403 Those are pretty similar numbers. Chris Dickerson’s career minor league slash V LHP: .223/.328/.319 V RHP: .272/.365/.462. Stubbs is notably better than Dickerson against lefties and Dickerson is only marginally better against righties. B
ased on Dickerson’s minor league numbers his optimal position is as the left handed half of a platoon. I am not against Dickerson getting some starts in center when Stubbs needs a day off, but based on the minor league numbers Stubbs is more likely to be an everyday player than Dickerson. But Dickerson is a very good option against right handed pitching and late game replacement. If it is the 8th inning and the Reds are down by one and Gomes is due up to face a tough right handed reliever, I’d pinch hit Dickerson without thinking twice, as long as the opposition doesn’t have a lefty warming in the bullpen.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Stubbs is not a platoon player, and shouldn’t be used as one. There are three times as many right-handed pitchers as left-handed, so using him only only against lefties just doesn’t make sense. He’d hardly get any playing time.
I’m also against playing him in multiple positions to get him enough at-bats. Kids have enough trouble adjusting to the big leagues without having to adjust to different positions, too. This guy could be our everyday CFer for years to come. Don’t screw around with him.
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His 2009 AAA OBP was decent...
IMO, a .713 OPS is stinking up the joint. He can thank his SLG which was barely higher than his OBP for that.
2008, Stubbs had a solid OBP in the minors. His SLG was also very respectable. Put the 2 together, and he had a good OPS in 2008.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly I really don't care that much about his SLG%
As long as he keeps a high OBP I really don’t care. Plus he is plenty fast enough once he gets on base. Plus it really doesn’t matter when Votto hits a home run if Stubbs got a walk, a single, a triple, or a home run.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I agree about your OBP and SLG philosophy
If Stubbs can get his OBP back to at least .360, it definitely increases his value to the team, mutually exclusive of his SLG. It also makes him a better option to leadoff. Currently, if he continues to OBP closer to .325 then he definitely shouldn’t leadoff, regardless of his speed.
Stubbs with an OBP less than .350 has no business leading off, IMO.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
That's a great question, actually
I know part of me has already given up on him. I’d be lying if I didn’t make this admission.
I love the defense Drew Stubbs plays. I love his speed on the base paths. I’m intrigued by him, yet disappointed at the same time in both him, and the Reds. I’m disappointed that they drafted him specifically. I’m disappointed they haven’t given Dickerson a fair shake. I’m disappointed they never gave Chris Denorfia a fair shake. It seems to me that the Reds do not know how to properly value and assess their personnel. They got rid of Adam Dunn for pennies on the dollar, and have yet to replace his production in LF; our offense continues to suffer b/c of the void the FO created with Dunn’s departure.
I’m repeating myself when I say that I want the best players on the field for the Reds in 2010, and that I think Dickerson is a better CF option than Stubbs. I honestly do believe that with our lack of a definitive LF option that we’ll have a season long audition, and LF by committee. Because of that, I know we’ll see Dickerson in LF rather than CF, and we’ll get a healthy dose of Stubbs in CF. Part of me is ok with this, but if Stubbs struggles/falters, will The Dusty & the FO do the right thing to either bench Stubbs in place of a more productive player and or demote him to AAA so he can continue to develop?
As to how many ABs, I guess I want to give Stubbs enough rope with which to hang himself and see what happens. I do not think that’s the best way for the Reds to attempt to win in 2010, but in all honesty this team has way too many IFs to make the playoffs (I know, keep fucking that chicken), so in the interest of figuring out the best team we can field in 2011, we need to see what Stubbs can do in 2010. I just do not think it’s the best idea for the team in 2010.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 4:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you really think Denorfia didn't get a fair shot?
He was out a year due to TJ surgery, then traded to a team that really wanted him. And has still played mostly in AAA. If the Reds didn’t properly assess him, neither has Oakland.
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yeah his 2006 slash line of
.283/.356/..368 was just terrible… Also his outfield UZR of 30 was most most most awful. Yeah all of these were in small sample sizes but I wonder why he didn’t see more at bats.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'm referring to the events after The Trade concerning Denorfia
The Trade happened, Denorfia basically got a week, and then they sent him back down to AAA.
They called him back up in September and he performed well.
Then next Spring, he hurts himself and needs TJ surgery, and IIRC was traded the same season while on the DL to Oakland.
IMO, the Reds never gave Denorfia a fair shot, especially after being their minor league POY the year before.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really think they missed out on a whole lot
Even if Deno did get more playing time, what was his upside? He was below average defensively in CF and well below average offensively in a corner spot. Not much speed, not much power, not a great eye, not gonna hit .300, old for his levels in the minors…I think his upside was always as a solid back-up, and his highly toutedness was a result of the Reds system being pretty abysmal around the time when he was coming up. He wouldn’t have been a bad piece to have around, but any team that’s starting Chris Denorfia on a full-time basis probably has some issues.
I just think based on Cincinnati's other post trade options
Denorfia should have seen some more time.
I just looked up Freel’s number and I had no idea he had a 3.9 WAR in 2006. So Denorfia’s playing time was just about right.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
One other thought as to Stubbs hitting better than Dickerson in 2009
According to the Baseball Musings Lineup Analysis, Dickerson’s OBP and SLG combination was .062 runs per game better than the OBP and SLG combination Stubbs put up.
I selected the 1959-2004 model and used the 2009 numbers for Cabrera, Votto, Phillips, Gomes, Rolen, Bruce, Hernandez, and for the Pitcher spot I put in .000 for both OBP and SLG.
Just some more food for thought, and fuel for my 1 man fire.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
You have Dickerson, I have Maloney, Bubba has Janish
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Ironically, I'd rather us play Janish in 2010 than Cabrera, even though Cabrera's better offensively than Janish
Maloney will get his shot in 2010. When is the only question.
Unfortunately, I do not think Dickerson will get his chance in 2010, unless someone’s injured.
I’m in the market for a new Reds jersey, I might as well just buy a Dickerson.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
one and a half
I’m only a half, because it’s a done deal. You guys are jousting against windmills even more than we normally do (since no one listens to us)
How come we're the only people who think
a 25 year old will be a monster CF in Cincinnati for years to come. kid is not named Upton. Drew is mike Cameron redux and there ain’t nothing wrong with that. He will not, I’ll bet, be a monster
Uh, Mike Cameron is a monster.
You’re getting far too hung up on the sexy stats and completely ignoring overall production. Cameron puts up a 4+ win season pretty much every year. That’s all-star level production. Adam Dunn (my favorite baseball player of all time), by comparison, has had two 4+ win seasons in his career.
Link to that WAR of 4, baby
Not because I don’t believe you, but….because I want to see it, but I’m too laxy to look it up
you are too lazy to go to fangraphs and type in "Cameron"?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
hee, ya. We busy ___________ have to work sometimes.
Maybe you could do it for me.
Besides, since when are there degrees of lazy?
Did it ever occur to you that it’s a nice way to say “bullshit, Geki” or “defensive metrics are completely over-valued in WAR” without offending. I’ve been admonished for hyperbole, so I’m trying to be more polite…damn you.
It WAS called diplomacy until some punk called me out on it.*
*I still love Justine. Do you want to talk trains?
it is so refreshing to hear other people say that
to me but not about me.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hah! not every year....
anyway, you’re right. no way Stubbs is that good. He’s probably a poor man’s Corey Hart without a cool sunglasses at night them song
stubbs was worth 8 defensive runs above replacement
in 42 games last year. so, yes, he definitely could be that good over a whole season.
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
Faith is a tender thing
I respect everyone’s faith.
Oh, and boobs, if I cannot use his small sample size to comment on his poor OBP, then the opposite should also be true (you can’t use 42 games to claim he’s DiMaggio with the glove)
What about his minor league career and scouting reports?
Both of which completely back up the fact that he’s a plus-plus defensive CF but don’t back up the fact that he’s going to be a .320 OBP guy?
faith
What about his less than 700 OPS in the minors?
Getting on base in the minors does not necessarily mean one can on base in the majors (ask Ramon Hernandez, career MiLB OBP of .350+)
I get that you are sold (sold enough to cite notoriously unreliable minor league defensive metrics), but I remain convinced Gregg Jeffries will be a star, since he hit .342 in 35 games for the 1992 Mets.
Stubbs' OPS
is about the same as Dickerson’s in the minors.
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and, yet one of them has proven valuable in the majors
Dudes and Dudettes, the battle you are fighting is one you have already won.
This thread is not about who is better, mainly because no one knows. The thread is about Chris Dickerson is right to be pissed that he never had a chance. Since you and Geki and others are convinced Dickerson is not as good, then you should still be able to understand his frustration.
All I will I say is what Christina Kahrl says: no one knows how good a kid who took this long to make it the majors and whose OPS is less than 800.
Still, anyone claiming to know how good Stubbs is acting on faith and not reason. Sometimes you gotta have faith
I would say
BOTH have proven valuable in the majors.
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One has proven valuable in the majors as a strong back up
The other was proven valuable for about a month or so, period.
So neither of them has a high value as of yet. Although one of them seems to have a higher ceiling than the other. Faith be praised.
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
Amen, brutha, the Dickerson/Stubbs platoon is cool
Of course, it ain’t gonna happen, so I’d be happy with Slyde’s “3 OF’s for 2 spots” rotation and be happy
I think platooning Gomes and Dickerson makes sense
given their left/right splits. Doesn’t make sense to platoon Stubbs, but I think Gomes and Dickerson would make a good two-headed outfielder.
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This is why:
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I didn't want to go there, but since you did, Justin
He definitely hasn’t won 2 Cy Young Awards
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
i am mostly bitter
it really isn’t fair to judge Stubbs against Lincecum.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
that guy has big teeth and could use a good teethbrushing
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
Got this press release today (can't find an online link for it though)
Hall of Fame Writer Joins FOX Sports Ohio as Online Reds Reporter
CINICINNATI, OHIO – FOX Sports Ohio is thrilled to announce Hal McCoy, former Cincinnati Reds beat writer for the Dayton Daily News and Hall of Fame baseball writer, is joining the FOX Sports Ohio team as the Reds reporter on www.foxsportsohio.com. McCoy will provide Reds fans with exclusive analysis of the Reds through articles, online chats and web videos. He will also become a regular visitor on FOX Sports Ohio’s Reds coverage and will make guest appearances on Reds Live pre-game and post-game shows.
"We’re honored and privileged to have Hal McCoy join the FOX Sports Ohio team," said Henry Ford, Senior Vice President and General Manager, FOX Sports Ohio. "We hope Reds fans enjoy the Hall of Fame reporting that Mr. McCoy is known for, along with the multimedia packages we expect to debut this season."
McCoy will begin his new role immediately and will follow the Reds to Goodyear, Arizona to cover Spring Training from March 2 to March 23. He will provide daily updates and videos on foxsportsohio.com, and his insider column will feature commentary and in-depth analysis of the team. McCoy will also provide Reds Spring Training game recaps as well as participate in online chats.
He will continue covering the team all regular season long, writing several articles a week and hosting a weekly online chat. Foxsportsohio.com will also be the exclusive destination for video updates featuring McCoy and his analysis of the Reds.
"After 37 years of covering the Cincinnati Reds for the Dayton Daily News, this ole’ fox is hitching up with FOX Sports Ohio to do some things I’ve never done before. I’m looking forward to it and I’m excited about it," stated McCoy.
Prior to joining foxsportsohio.com, McCoy covered the Reds from 1973 to 2009, covering more than 7,000 games and writing close to 18,000 baseball stories. Those 37 years following the team mark the longest tenure for any active writer covering one MLB team.
He was honored by the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 2002 as the winner of the J. G. Taylor Spink Award, which is awarded annually “for meritorious contributions to baseball writing.” He has won 43 Ohio and national writing awards, and he was the first non-Cincinnati newsperson elected to the Cincinnati Journalists Hall of Fame.
McCoy’s recognition throughout his career is well-merited. He is the writer that coined the title "Big Red Machine." He was at the forefront of the Pete Rose investigation, breaking many stories during the 1989 season. He also covered the infamous reign of former Reds CEO Marge Schott, the 1990 World Champion Reds, multiple baseball strikes and Reds’ ownership changes. He further garnered national attention in 2003 when he continued to cover the Reds despite a stroke in his left eye that left him legally blind.
An honors graduate from the Kent State University School of Journalism, McCoy played first base on his college team.
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Looks cool.
Nice to see Hal again.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Guys, cut it out with the animations, this thread is going to be impossible to load once it gets bigger
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by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/flag'd
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I hate you all
I’m taking my ball and going home
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god that threw me off
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I've got a fast connection
and it still took 30-45 seconds for a thread with 180 comments to load. Not a lot, but we don’t need 2 MB images posted in threads. I don’t care if you have an animated image – the ones above aren’t that big in size – but if your size is too big, it will be deleted.
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I'm just spoiled, I've never had any problems with slow thread load
Although I do need to freshen up my knowledge on size limits when posting other content.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm incorrect
But you strike me as someone who would be a little sentimental with your laptop/pc. Perhaps it should be put in the RHOF?
Hey Slyde, You ever gunna join FSN?
I don't really understand this post
My laptop is good. Back when I wrote that comment, there were multiple MB+ images in the thread. I have since deleted them.
As for joining FSN…well, there’s this.
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Reminds me..
Is Red Reporter radio dead?
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cool. Keep us posted.
But I don’t wanna tune in during the pledge drive.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
i started it
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Mar 1, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. It's only a few dollars more.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
somebody needs to start watching him image sizes
don’t make me give you a stern warning.
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First, remind me.
What are the rules?
I thought we were only worried about game threads.
(BTW, I do understand that as Spring Training begins, traffic at the site picks up and Daddy’s happier with fewer animated gifs and FanShots about babies drinking horse semen.)
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Try to keep 'em under 100 kb at all times
I’m usually lenient if I think the image adds to the thread. However, if it’s more than 200kb, you can expect it to be dumped.
In game threads, images over 60kb are almost always deleted.
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"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm at work, so I can't do much about it. And it's not my connection, it's my 300 year old computer
At home, with my macbook pro and super high speed internet, you can post as many stupid gifs, jpegs, and animations as you want, bitches.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Ah, hardware, not connection
Right now I’m on a slow, campus WAN.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
very cool
Did they create that job for him, or did they fire someone to make room for him?
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I think they created it for him
I don’t think they’ve ever had an official blogger or beat writer.
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I'm more curious about what the DDN will do
Do they have a young beat writer ready to take the reins, or are they giving up on Reds coverage? And will they let Hal take the “Real McCoy”™ column name with him?
by ken on Mar 1, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
As far as I know
The DDN has stopped all Cincinnati beat coverage and will instead rely on AP reports. They laid off McCoy and they also laid off Chick Ludwig, who covered the Bengals. No one’s taking their place.
they even get most their local coverage from the AP
which consists of headlines that say, “SOMEONE SHOT AND KILLED AGAIN” and “SOMEONE ELSE’S HOUSE BURNT DOWN, WE THINK”.
Sonny my pitched my wild
I remember the first time I went through Anacostia
I was thinking, “Wait, this is supposed to be the really dangerous area of DC? Dayton looks worse than this place.”
by Brendanukkah on Mar 1, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Hell the AP pulled out of Dayton
They had one AP writer assigned to Dayton. He was laid off at the end of 2009. Anything big happens in Dayton, AP now has to send someone from Cincy or Columbus.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Mar 1, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Unless they don't.
When the next big anything happens in Dayton (and by ‘Dayton’ I mean ‘anywhere’) the Associated Press is pretty much eleventh on my list of news sources that I’d need to turn to for information.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
yes
A lot of papers are cutting costs by firing reporters and switching to wire services articles instead.
Even bigger media companies are hurting.
ABC News to cut half its domestic correspondents, close bricks-and-mortar bureaus
As part of the deep cuts announced this week at ABC News, the network plans to close all of its physical bureaus around the country except Washington and halve the number of its domestic correspondents.
ABC News President David Westin confirmed in an interview Friday that the network’s ranks of bureau correspondents, which currently number several dozen, would be cut in half and be replaced with “digital” journalists who would be expected to shoot and edit their own stories.
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tell me about it
I work in the print media and it only gets worse. We have a full 60 percent of our work being done by stringers who never get better. Stringers also won’t ccover anything that requires any work or phone calls. Can’t blame them. They only get paid for the story, not the legwork.
Garbage in ….
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
I do wonder what the future of media will be
It’s come up here before.
Maybe we’ll end up paying for the coverage we want. Like C. Trent with his reader supported spring training. And this story. The NY Times backed out of story, so she posted it online and asked for donations, and people gave enough so that her costs were covered.
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News value will be managed
… by either (a.) shock or (b.) warm fuzzy appeal.
If it has cleavage, Yahoo will get it on there.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Mmm. Warm and fuzzy cleavage.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Where did you see that story?
Come on, share!!
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
looks like a d cup at least
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Nah, silicone based assets never turned me on.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
that critter does have a nice pair of knockers
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Plus cutting Hal was cutting more than his paycheck
it was cutting all the travel expenses off sending him on the road for 2 months of spring training and probably about 2 months of the regular season.
Imagine if they could have put Hal on a cheap reliable train rather than expensive airplanes?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Can't see it happening.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
where you away when this turned into Railroad reporter?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Yeah, I got it.
I was spitting some oldie-but-goodie material at ya.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
DDN may not like this
“McCoy will provide Reds fans with exclusive analysis of the Reds through articles, online chats and web videos.”
Right now, McCoy has his blog and his Ask Hal column. I don’t know if DDN will go for Hal writing for another web site, so he might have to exit DDN completely if he wants to do this.
A few weeks ago, a weekly Hal McCoy column showed up in those awful Times Community Newspapers (Englewood Independent, K-O Times, Beavercreek News Current) etc. It lasted three weeks then DDN put the kibosh on it.
Officially, Hal is a free-lancer now, but DDN doesn’t allow free-lancers to write for competing publications. I guess it’s just a question of if foxsportsohio.com is considered a competitor.
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by cesarhernandez on Mar 1, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I was under the impression
That DDN didn’t have money, DHM, to keep him around. I guess he’s worth more the longer he works, Unlike the Senior Citizens that work at the Hyde Park/Madisonville McDonald’s
They can pay him a lot less
to free-lance. Especially since they aren’t paying any travel expenses.
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by cesarhernandez on Mar 1, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Valaika
I understand the sentiment that he shouldn’t be written off based on one bad year, but I also think he was a bit overrated before last year.
A lot of his prospect value was based on his being a SS, but he doesn’t have the range or arm for it. As a 2B, he’s supposed to be only average, and his bat doesn’t play as well there.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good hitter, but he doesn’t walk enough for how much he Ks, and he doesn’t have a ton of power. Basically he’ll hit for average, get you a fair amount of doubles, but still only have an average OBP. (Career minors OBP is .339) I see him as a poor man’s BP-Similar average (maybe a bit better), less HR, SB, and worse defense. To me he seems like a potential great utility guy.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
RE: Rolen
“Scott Rolen has an excellent case for the HoF, if you asked me. I’m afraid Hal is right though that he won’t get in without paying admission. What a shame.”
well thats nothing that a 2010 world series MVP wouldn’t cure…
Nobody listens to Andrew
Agreed
The first thing I thought when I read that was, “Well, he’s got three years now to put up absolutely ridiculous numbers and lead us to the promised land!”
it'll look nice to Jo-eh's NL MVP
and Cueto’s Cy Young.
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And Chapman's ROY
and Slyde’s 5th pitching spot victory.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
And Chewie's medal. Wait. What the..?!?
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
finally, someone made me giggle this morning. Thanks.
by Eastwindquinn on Mar 1, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
You're welcome.
What are you doing tomorrow morning?
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
If the Reds go to the playoffs
you’ll have a hard time arguing against a Dusty MOY, unless somebody like the Nats also make it.
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Has that been his secret?
He sabotages his team for a year or two, then he acts like a rational human being, and his team goes to the playoffs and he wins manager of the year because nobody expected his team to play like that after the previous two seasons?
Essentially Manger of the Year goes to the manager who’s team was the biggest surprise.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
He's hardly sabbotaged the Reds the last 2 years
he’s annoying, but he may have cost them a win or two at most.
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that was in jest
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
THIS
Is very true. For me, it’s not that he’s holding the team back from winning. (although I’ll never forgive him for Patterson and Taveras)
To me, it’s the arrogant, illogical, and ‘old-school’ stuff he’s constantly spouting. Whether it actually coincides with his managerial decisions is up for debate, he just opens himself up for so much ridicule with the things he said.
I remember thinking, when he was first hired, how refreshing it was to have a manager that let you in to his thought process. Now I just wish he would STFU.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
some turrible grammar in that post
I blame Dusty
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I think he just babbles on and on to keept he press focused on that drivel
still, there’s enough “old school” behavior to match some of the old school spouting (eg, the CONSTANT stupid bunting, the emphasis on speed, and the disregard of OBP in favor of average)
I think you give him too much credit
I think he loves to hear himself talk, and loves to come off as the old timer who used to be great and has stories about all the great ones.
I find the most annoying thing about him is how he relates EVERY current day situation to something when he was playing, as if it makes him an expert.
Media Guy: “So, Bronson Arroyo seems to have contracted a rare form of gonorrhea, how do you think that will affect his pitching?”
DB: You know, when I was in Atlanta, we had this guy who used to travel with us, name was Snooks Foster. He was Hank Aaron’s best friend, so the team let him travel along on road trips and be kind of like a ball boy. But see, Snooks was 43 or 44 years old and had the clap. Well, one year, his arm started turning bright green, and his hair all fell out. Damndest thing. But I’ll tell you what, he could still toss us a towel or hand us our helment in the dugout. Stuff like that affects guys differently…."
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Mar 1, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
thank you NYC
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
gonna go green'd
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 1, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Let Extra-Terrestrials Reign?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's not so much that
It’s that he always relates it to the frikkin’ Dodgers, and holds them up as the team to emulate.
yes
He annoys me less now than he used to because I think I’ve grown used to it.
The one thing I hate (and yes, I mean to use that word) about him is what I perceive as a lack of support in the media for his players. I really am surprised that he’s considered a players’ manager – maybe he’s great behind closed doors – because I’ve seen too many instances of him throwing players under the bus to understand that reputation.
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What I don't understand is who he chooses to throw under the bus
He supported Taveras almost the whole year, same with Gonzo. Yet he badmouthed Dickerson, Hanigan, Bruce (sort of), and others I can’t think of.
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by Dave from Louisville on Mar 1, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
That's it?
Only a win or two? Is that per year, or his Cincinnati career?
IMO, he’s done a great job of forcing the Reds to win in spite of him.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 1, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I am going to challenge this
How many wins did screwing around with Harang cost the Reds? He was a 5 WAR pitcher in 2007, and his war total for 2008 and 2009 didn’t even at up to 5. The Reds lost an effective Aaron Harang for 3 months of 2008 between his terrible pitching he had his DL stint, he was not effective in June, July, or August.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
I'm as unhappy about that as the next guy
but I doubt it cost the Reds more than 2 wins, and you can’t put all of that on Dusty – most of it, yes, but not all. And on the flip side, there are things that Dusty does well and decisions that he has mad that have worked. If you only look at all of the bad things, of course it’s going to look like he’s a terrible manager.
I’m not defending him. I wish he was somewhere else. But if you think this was an 80+ win team in either of the last two seasons, you are fooling yourself.
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they've never seen a short-armed soft-tosser in the big leagues before
They won’t know how to handle my 45 MPH heater.
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/Herrera'd
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Mom? It was you!
I be so turned up, I be swaggin to da max
by coocooforcocoapuffs on Mar 1, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Successful Soft Tossing Righties:
Bob Purky
Mel Queen
Slyde
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Well their one song was all right
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
... Please say this is in jest.
Queen was… wow. They were pretty epic.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
They should have let it where it was
Queen was amazing. Threadjacking will be at your whim.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Queen never dies
so long as people play this song
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Dorseys were
… slowballers. Nothing on the change. Flat fastball.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
What's snowballing?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
snowballing
it is a form of baseball except played in Canada.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
What's a nubian?
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like sex on the beach
only much, much colder
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
I miss Crolf's incisive and unbiased point of view...but the again how can you blame him..
He’s a bug guy.
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
um
you might want to stop posting people’s facebook pics on here. Facebook is a controlled environment (if someone wants it to be) and just because a picture ends up there doesn’t mean they want it on the internets in general.
Just a suggestion.
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Eh
Haha, I don’t have an issue with it.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Psh- I'm usually not
We went to a play though :P
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Most of it's honestly been classes lately...
With the exception of the weekends. But it was nice out this weekend- we went out and played baseball with a bunch of people- ended up having to do it barefoot in the outfield, but hey :P
Aaaand- apparently one of my best friends, a junior in high school is getting recruited by Division 1 colleges. Wow.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
"do it barefoot in the outfield"
God, i miss college.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Very interesting bit about Yonder Alonso
They’re going to try him at 3B, LF, and RF in spring training this year.
Jocketty says he “can’t see moving Joey” off first base and that he’ll be there a long time.
Very, very interesting.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
in related news:
Micah Owings just retired from baseball. His parting quote, “Screw you guys, I’m out.”
by jacob brumfield on Mar 1, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Just trade him then
I don’t understand the total unwillingness to make position changes the MLB level. It seemed to work pretty OK in the BRM era. You’re setting up your best position-playing prospect for failure for the sake of some vague notion of status quo. Yonder could be a solid .300/.380/.460 guy, but is slow as mud — his natural position is 1B — while Joey is perfectly capable of playing LF. RF and 3B would seem to be occupied for the foreseeable future.
I wonder whether they’re afraid of Votto’s injury risk running down fly balls.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
maybe trying him at new positions
raises his trade value??
by jacob brumfield on Mar 1, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Certainly
If Jocketty is to be believed about Joey staying at 1B, trading Alonso is Plan A.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
How do we know Joey is perfectly capable of playing LF?
He’s played 49 games there as a pro.
Why should he move and not Alonso, who had an .838 OPS last season. I think Alonso has a good future, but he’s still just a projection. I don’t see why he shouldn’t be tested out at other spots. Votto is established. He owns that spot now.
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We'll only know if he can play LF if they remain open to the possibility
Pujols bounced around from 3B to LF to 1B after coming to the bigs. I’m not saying don’t experiment with Alonso. My point is that Votto at 1B doesn’t have to be etched in stone. By both physical ability and where they’ve seen time in their careers, Votto seems far more capable of playing in the OF than Alonso. Maybe I’m off-base in that assessment, but if Alonso is sticking around and he’s the best wOBA guy next to Votto come 2011, it makes sense to be open to moving Votto if that gives you the best defensive value between the two positions.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe "perfectly capable"
is a stretch, but it’s certainly much more plausible in my mind that Votto could hold down LF over Alonso. I think there’s probably more to consider here. If Frazier, Francisco or Heisey were to emerge as clear heirs to LF, while Alonso struggled to find a new position, it might be moot.
I’d be interested in seeing Alonso or Neftali at catcher, given the lack of depth there.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
Votto is at first, and has proven what he can do in the field and at the plate. Alonso either needs to be moved to a new position, or he is trade bait.
Of course, Beckham should have been drafted instead of Alonso, but what’s done is done.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
There's no reason lock anyone in at a position though
I think the Cardinals example is instructive. They stayed flexible with Pujols, converted Ankiel to an outfielder and Schumaker to 2B. Don’t constantly tinker with the team, but stay flexible if it allows you to better optimize your available talent. Not only is Alonso cost-controlled, he’s also probably the best hitter in the system. Trading him certainly an option, but he’d probably bring a more expensive veteran contract in return. He looks like a 1B to me, which says Votto should try the OF.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
if we're in contention at the deadline
i can see him being trade bait for another piece.
Sonny my pitched my wild
C Trent has a twitter quote of Alonso saying "I don't want to get traded"
I imagine he’ll do his darndest to figure out a way to get on the field for the Reds, and the Reds are high enough on him to try to work it out.
It’s tough, though, because LF and 3B are where all the top prospects play right now. And he’s at a disadvantage because they all have experience there, although he would have the best bat. Think he could play SS?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
"I don't wanna get traded!"
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
that's not cdick
Somebody needs to let go… :P
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a wonder that you managed to piss him off to begin with.
I just can’t imagine how you did it.
Seriously though, he may be a baseball player, but he’s still human. If I start a web-site talking about all the Reds blogs out there and then talk about how bad Church of Baseball is and how I never read it because all the other blogs are so much better, I imagine I’d get a less than polite response from you. Yeah, he called you a skirt. You guys don’t have to be best friends, but the constant shots at the guy for a fairly normal human reaction are just getting annoying. As Slyde said, you need to let it go.
by Geki on Mar 1, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
go back to your cave
you’ve never had a sense of humor.
by Daedalus on Mar 1, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think you're kind of proving my point.
You don’t need to be in attack mode 24/7. We’ve had our arguments in the past, but I’ve made efforts to mellow out, be more respectful towards those I disagree with, and to generally respect the fine people of Red Reporter, who make baseball season infinitely more enjoyable even when the Reds inevitably win 70-something games every year. Apparently you haven’t done the same.
by Geki on Mar 1, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, that wasn't an attack.
I can go to attack mode if you want to keep acting like the 7th grader that bullies everybody else to hide her own insecurities, but my goal was not to attack you. I disagreed with how you were approaching the entire Dickerson situation and you decided that wasn’t worthy of any response other than a couple of shitty, baseless one liners and an overdose of attitude. You’ll know when I’m actually attacking you, I promise.
I've been told there was some unsavory business going on in this portion of the thread
Might I suggest that we all grow the hell up and stop acting like this is Cincinnati.com?
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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the other option, and my favorite one, is that they have themselves a fistfight
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
I'm going to kick you in the balls
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did he really call you a skirt?
I can’t imagine anyone under the age of 60 using that term.
As I said in the other thread, the weird thing to me is that you actually didn’t say thing that bad about him. You were kinda defending him, even. And he went all pear-shaped.
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Pear shaped!!!
I haven’t heard that since I was in HS – 45 years ago…you is a skirt…BF
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
Dickerson called someone a skirt?
I’m so confused, but if he did, I hope he was wearing spats and had a 30s hat to go with it
by Red_Poodle on Mar 1, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey!
Where have you been all off season?
by Brian B on Mar 1, 2010 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MIA! I know
I’ve been lurking and working. It’s good to have baseball action again to discuss and C Trent/ C Dick fueled pseudo-controversies are just the way to kickoff Spring training ;)
I wish it didn't burn when I pee
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flag'd
for racism.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
why does he care?
Isn’t he the guy who almost didn’t sign with the Reds, and threatened to move in with A-Rod and play in the independent leagues instead?
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by BubbaFan on Mar 1, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's caught the fever!
Plus he wants to play with his BFFs, Chapman and Votto!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
No, it was a quote on ctrent's account from Alonso
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 1, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Something like
Longoria’s would have been nice, though it’s too late to get Votto for quite that cheap on the front end. I can’t believe they’re going to be paying him only $2MM in his first year of arb.
I’d buy out three arb years (‘11-’13) and sign him for ‘14 and ’15, with club options in’17 and ’18.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, Alonso can stay on the shelf until next year at the earliest anyway.
No need to trade him until 2012, if at all.
Bring him up mid-late 2011 to see what you’ve got.
So many things can change until then with Votto’s health and contract status. Alonso’s just an insurance policy for a while.
Besides, he really needs to prove he’s not a platoon 1b. Nothing wrong with having a monster year in AAA this year and early next because Votto’s going to have one in Cincinnati.
Bring Alonso up at 24 and he’ll be much more likely to rake out of the gate.
Yonder Alonso 1b
5 years/$4.55M (2008-12)
* 5 years/$4.55M (2008-12)
o signed Major League contract with Cincinnati 8/15/08
o $2M signing bonus
o 08:$50,000, 09:$0.4M, 10:$0.5M, 11:$0.6M, 12:$1M
o if eligible, Alonso may opt for arbitration after 2011
o award bonuses: $0.1M each for MVP or WS MVP; $25,000 for Rookie of Year
o $78,000 for cost of 3 remaining semesters of college ($60,000 tuition, $18,000 room & board)
* drafted 2008 (1-7) (Miami, Fla.)
* agent: Greg Genske
* ML service: 0.018
CNati video
Does it look like Bruce has lowered his hands a little? That was a potential problem attributed to his swing last year that was said to explain why he wasn’t driving the ball as much.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Mar 1, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised you forgot...
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 1, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
And just remember
he also eats white toddlers.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Mar 1, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ridiculous
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Mar 1, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
"oh crap!"
Now he’s going to leave me out there for 125 pitches in August when we’re winning 12-2!
And I can’t even pee in the potty yet!
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by bbjones on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good, he could use some publicity
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Where have you gone, Isaac Curtis?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Curtis is currently a sales executive for Winegardner and Hammons, Inc.
according to wiki.
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yeah
Sometime in May around game 37, when Hernandez inevitably breaks down, Hanigan will play ever game until he breaks down in late June, at which time Corky Miller will play everyday until Hernandez comes off the DL. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Ummm..
Don’t repeat. Not that way, anyway.
Have somebody read the bottle’s instructions to you first.
No, they don’t have to get in the shower with you.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Is Mister Yuck on the label?
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Did I get ctrent's tweet right the Bill James ranked the Reds the 27th best organization as gar as having "young talent?"
Um . . . here’s BP’s list of the Reds Top 10 Talents 25 And Under (Born 4/1/84 or later)
1. Aroldis Chapman, LHP
2. Homer Bailey, RHP
3. Jay Bruce, OF
4. Drew Stubbs, CF
5. Johnny Cueto, RHP
6. Mike Leake, RHP
7. Todd Frazier, INF
8. Yonder Alonso, 1B
9. Travis Wood, LHP
10. Wladimir Balentien, OF
[…]
by Brian B on Mar 1, 2010 2:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
maybe
He was talking about the entire farm system?
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the cupboard isn't exact bare on the farm.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
but it does seem
that the Reds farm system has dropped in the rankings. Mostly because so many of the kids have “graduated.”
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Yeah it is
There are plenty of serviceable guys down there, but there are no number one starters or 40 HR guys (an argument for Chapman can be made, but I’m not sure I consider him a minor leaguer yet, since the Fay is threatening all of us with him debuting with the big league club)
Mostly, that’s because the Reds have graduated three pitchers to the big league team and one Joey and one Jay. Quite a haul for a farm system, but doesn’t leave a lot of impact guys left.
It’s why the future is now.
There aren't 26 other clubs with #1 starter or 40 HR guys in their systems either
Those kind of guys are extremely rare.(and until Chapman reaches a certain level of service time, he is by definition a prospect) When you look at pretty much every ranking group, the Reds are well represented in top 100 lists. Chapman, Leake, Frazier, and Alonso make pretty much every list, with Heisey making others. When you figure the law of averages says each team should get 3.3 guys on a top 100 list, having 4-5 isn’t bad.
Plus, the Reds probably have top 5 talent under the age of 25 on their major league roster
No matter how you look at it, a #27 ranking doesn’t make sense.
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27th doesn't even matter
If you get one guy out of it named Pujols.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Point of contention
If five and ten seasons from now each team is going to have a number one starter then doesn’t it follow that there must be approximately 25-30 number one starters in the minor leagues right now?
I understand that not every team has one (some have none.. some have two or three) and over the course of the next decade there may be two or three or four aces who will come to MLB from across the oceans (or maybe just a border) but I think it is safe to say that if the Reds don’t have a guy who project at the top of the rotation they would be among a minority of teams.
But 40 homer guys, not so much.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
40 homer guys
The odds of finding one in your system are pretty slim even if you recognized him. That sort of hitter doesn’t get the PAs to make that discernible.
Even with the great ones of all time, most of them didn’t do it every year anyhow.
I would be happy if we could project somebody who can consistently get 40 or 50 doubles and maybe one home run a week.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Confederate buck says he doesn't hit 40 dingers
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
No no.
I’m saying he’s your guy to hit 40 doubles and 25+ home runs for the next ten years.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 1, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oh YEAH Oh YEAH
We need 3 other guys to do that, y estamos huegiendo mucho beisbol por Octobre! Or is that hueviendo? One of them is an egg and the other is not.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
why you gotta set limitations on him?
Your doubts only drive him to be even better.
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Ha ha ha
Funny about when I look back at some of my posts, sentence construction (oh, where oh where is my H.S. grammar teacher?)
But I would settle for 50 doubles a month. Does that work?
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Good point, except for prospects you are talking about projection, and it's hard to be projected as a number 1 starter
You basically have to have 2 dominating pitches and a third above average one, be tall, not too skinny, have clean mechanics, and decent control. Not many teams have that. (I’d say fewer than 10, with the Reds being one of them since Chapman)
Obviously other players may eventually develop one way or another into viable “aces”. But if you look at all 30 MLB rotations come April, I’d be willing to bet fewer than 20 of them have legit aces at the top.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
5 or 10 years
I might buy into the 5-year plan — but for the coming decade, you are looking at pitchers who are barely 14 years old. With that detail in the mix, this seems a rather interesting conversation.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
why the hell doesnt rolen hit 2nd god it never makes sense
whats even worse than cabrera hitting 2nd, is that were wasting excellent hitting talent by burying rolen in the part of the order meant for power hitters.
Rolen is an RBI man
unlike Jay Bruce or Johnny Gomes Rolen understands that when men are on base and he is batting he should try to drive them in.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
You gotta "learn" to be an RBI man and if Rolen were batting #2
he’d go crazy wasting all that knowledge. What a tragic waster, as he got on base time after time and allowed Joey to bat with two on and none out.*
*Who am I kidding, Leo Duroscher would just have Votto bunt them inbto “scoring position.”
What about a crazy lineup like this?
Dickerson
Votto
Bruce
Rolen
Gomes
Phillips
Hernandez
Cabrera
P
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
i was feeling pretty good about this team until i saw all the names in the lineup
even with stubbs and hannigan in there instead, it’s a little depressing.
Everyone knows we'll see far too much Razor Ramon and not enough Hanigan in 2010
I normally don’t like to root for injury, but maybe Hernandez needs to hurt himself washing his truck or something.
Less Hernandez is a good thing. More Hanigan is a better thing.
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
no wonder Dusty loves him so much
toothpick’d
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
But it has Gomes in it!
How about something like this, Mads?
Dickerson
Rolen
Votto
Gomes
Bruce
Phillips
Hernandez
Cabrera
P
by Highlifeman21 on Mar 2, 2010 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
no.
The answer to this question is not the answer.
OBP is too highly emphasized for the leadoff position in the batting order.
How many times will the leadoff man hit 1st in a game…once?
I, for one, don’t like having Hernia and El Kabrera and the pitcher’s spot all in a row. It is kin of a black hole at the bottom of said lineup. Especially unfortunate if Stubbs is leading off as he does have some pop and RBI capacity…he’ll drive in 12 runs in 2010 with those guys in front of him.
I don’t know the answer…maybe
Stubbs
Cabrera
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Phillips
Gomes
Hernandez
P.
??
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
of course batting order doesnt matter much
that’s not the point. the point is that it is the low-hanging fruit. the easiest way to maximize your lineup’s run production is to line them up correctly. if Dusty cant even reach the easy apple then what does that say about the more complicated aspects of his managing game?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 2, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Frazier will prove himself worthy of making the 25 man
And when El K gets injured and Jannish is hit by a bus…then maybe he’ll get a shot…I believe that Frazier will hit consistently and have a stronger OBP than either soft J or El K.
Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
Is anyone else having problems with the viewing size of the site today?
Every time I come to the site, it is in the narrow view. If I change it to wide and then go into a thread, it reverts back to narrow.
I assume it’s just buggy today and SBN will fix it.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Mar 2, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions
yep, I'll put in a ticket
though I imagine it’s already been bitched about on the mailing list.
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To the EXTREEEEEME!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 2, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Totally, bro!
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 2, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you couldn't find a picture that took up more of the screen?
sheesh.
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by Slyde on Mar 2, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that a challenge?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, youth
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yeah, show some respect for the dead, crolfer!
Poochie was killed on his way back to his home planet.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 2, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly did.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Mar 2, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fix is supposed to be rolled out this afternoon.
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Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I've decided I'm gong to use more jpg's.
A picture is worth a thousand correctly spelled words…
If only I had Finest Muffins’ artistic abilities and I would be able to express all my thoughts via paint. But alas as a child I couldn’t even color inside the lines.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Coloring inside the lines is overrated.
Literally and metaphorically.
by the finest muffins on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but my peers got my stars on their "art" then I did
I have been fighting conformity from a young age. Probably why I was suspended from kindergarten for trying to lead a rebellion against the substitute teacher. You take a young recent college grad, and a young energetic kid who lost his red crayon on color everything red day, and have said kid tell his peers “there is only 1 of her but 22 of us, we can do whatever we want and she can’t stop us” bad things happen.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gong to start using more jpg's too
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Mar 2, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Other breaking news- good tiding fros Bronson Arroyo
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Yu Na...if I were 40 years younger and single.
2012! It's real!!
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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TNWSS
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Personal experiance "big" guy?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
dang
1.26 milliseconds, or about the amount of time it takes a Reds pitcher to
(fill in the blank here) ……………………………………………………………
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