Red Reposter - Rotation updates and around the NL Central
by ken on Feb 22, 2010 8:12 AM EST
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HT to The C's fanshot. There's also some discussion about the 5th spot, which will be one of the bigger questions for the team this spring. Chapman is still listed as a candidate. So is Travis Wood, Justin Lehr, and the usual suspects.
Mike Leake is not going to make the Opening Day rotation, but he's shooting for the moon, as he should. Leake's coming off a brief but impressive showing in the Arizona Fall League last year. In six games he posted a 1.37 ERA with three walks and 15 strikeouts. As Sheldon points out there's probably no player more grateful than Leake that the Reds switched its spring training venue to Arizona.
Good to hear that new pitching coach Bryan Price has been studying and working with Aaron Harang:
When it came to mechanics, new Reds pitching coach Bryan Price noticed some mechanical issues with Harang, and it was brought up during their initial phone call during the offseason.... "I saw something, and when we talked, it was something he was already addressing. "When I looked at his video, I noticed he was a short strider that didn't really get his legs involved a lot with his delivery. He was actually detached from the rubber. The ball was still in his hand, but his back foot was off the rubber. That's kind of his power source. When I called him this winter and asked what he was doing, he said he was working on his hip flexibility and mechanics and on being able to use his legs more to drive the ball through."
It would be interesting to see if his stride changed before and after the two games he's been misused during the past two seasons - the 2008 marathon game in San Diego and the 2009 rain delay game against Houston. Chad from RLN breaks down the splits, and while correlation isn't causation this is at the very least a very odd coincidence (and relevant!).
Sounds like Bill Bray will be throwing harder, better, and faster in 2010. It's been nine months since Bray's TJ surgery. The team will try to give Bray a few innings in ST games and hope that he can contribute again like he did in 2008.
After the jump, a look at what the competition is up to.
The Brewers hope to have much better rotation in 2010. It couldn't get much worse: there’s almost no way the starting rotation can be as bad as it was during the 2009 season.... Its 5.37 earned run average ranked last in the National League and tied with Baltimore for worst in the majors. Of 67 starting pitchers in the NL who worked at least 100 innings, the Brewers had three of the worst 10.... The Brewers were the first team since Colorado in 2001 to have four pitchers make at least 20 starts and post ERAs over 5.00, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. The additions of lefties Randy Wolf and Doug Davis will help some.
Thirdbase is wide open. Between that and Brendan Ryan's surgery, the left side of that infield could be very weak for St. Louis this season. Also, in case you didn't hear the Cardinals have a new hitting coach.
Like several question marks. Michael Bourn is penciled in as the leadoff. Lance Berkman, Carlos Lee, and Hunter Pence are slated for the 3-5 spots. The four remaining non-pitcher spots will be some permutation of Kaz Matsui, Pedro Feliz, Jason Castro, and Tommy Manzella (who?). Whatever they choose, that's going to be a weak latter half of the lineup. Seems like even when they were good Houston often overcame a weak bottom of the order. Adam Everett and Brad Ausmus certainly had their strengths but they also meant a near guaranteed 1-2-3 inning.
New OF Xavier Nady, who's coming off his second TJ surgery, reported early to Cubs camp to work with pitching coach Larry Rothschild on changing his throwing mechanics. Nady will be used as a 1B/DH in ST. He'll likely split time in RF with Kosuke Fukudome in the regular season.
I can't get worked up about the Pirates' fifth starter battle or whether Neil Walker should try catching again. But the FBI's file on Roberto Clemente is mildly intriguing, even if the investigation doesn't seem that substantial.
Also, SP Ross Ohlendorf interned with the Department of Agriculture this offseason, finishing a cost-benefit analysis on a program that traces disease in cattle, poultry, swine, goats and sheep, and its effect on farmers.
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If he does
They’d have to DFA Lincoln, unless Micah is shipped out or re-installed as a starter.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Which is to say
there’s absolutely no reason to rush him. I’d expect him to do some extended ST / rehab and ease into things across a couple levels in the minors.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think Maloney is a better option, but Owings is number 2
I do think his stuff plays better out of the pen, though. He had more zip on his FB from the pen last year.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Most people do. I'm also hoping Pryce turns back the clock and teaches him
to challenge lefties and stop walking so many people. Pitch to contact with the slider.
At any rate, seems fun to discuss a fifth starter option, rather than 4th and 5th or terrible options for fifth
I think it's pretty close
but I Maloney has better peripherals for this defense/ballpark. I’d like to see what he cany can do to start the year. Micah can be a spot starter and they could swap out at some point if MATTY is floundering. Maloney’s performance toward the end of last year and the flexibility of having Owings’ both hit for himself in relief and be a PH option every game puts it over the top for me.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Is Owings as much of a flyball pitcher as Maloney is
‘Cause that’s what bothers me about Maloney. The OF defense could be spectacular, but unless they find a way to put a net between the smokestacks, matt sure gives up a lot of long flyballs for GABP*
Still, that’s not saying Maloney sucks, only that this team would seem to fair better if there are lots and lots of ground balls to Phillips, Rolen, and Cabrera/Janish
*That’s from memory and I’m too lazy to go to the stats.
home runs in themselve aren't a problem
Bronson has given up 31, 29, 28, and 31 home runs in each of his seasons in Cincinnati.
Harang gave up 28 home runs in 2007 and 2008.
If his walk and strike out rates transfer to the big leagues he can afford to give up a few home runs. The problem is when you have Eric Milton who allows a ton of base runners and a ton home runs.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Justin, I know you're young and all
but do you not remember the several attempts to run bronson out of town on a rail? Dude is lucky and army of peasants hasn’t found him on his boat after one of those classic 2.3 IP 7 ER performances
but he could come back and throw a complete game shutout
Bronson is what he is. He ranges from unhittable to well 10 ER’s in 1IP. But at the end of the year he is right around league average, and eats up 200 innings. I’ll take that.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's the part I don't get
If WE know Bronson’s volatility, why doesn’t Dusty? When Bronson is throwing that flat curve and getting knocked around in the first inning it very rarely if ever ends well. Why not just pull his ass right there and give yourself a small chance to come back?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well when he did it last year
2 days prior to Bronson’s 1 Inning performance the bullpen had to cover 6 innings.
But I get what you are saying.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
We were in Zip's the night of the Toronto fiasco IIRC
And every one of us saw it coming.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
forgot about that
Bronson’s pitching performance was the best part of the Zip’s dining experience.
Blech.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Maybe that's why you don't rank Zip's as the best
The burger probably tasted much worse watching Bronson get knocked the fuck around.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think LD% is a big issue
Based on recent performance, Micah is more likely to get hit harder, allowing more base runners who go will be more likely to go for XBH, whereas Maloney might be more likely to prevent the runners by the walk and keep the ball out of play. While the FB% rate is a concern, he’s got Bruce, Stubbs and (possibly) Dickerson out there most of the time, so the flies that aren’t homeruns are more likely to be gobbled up than hard liners in the gap.
This is just a cursory ready of their stats. I think the time is now to give Maloney a trial, but there’s not reason to doggedly stick with him if he starts turning into MIlton.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't Owings' hitting ability serve us better if he's a starter?
As a starter, he gets around 2 or 3 AB’s in that game, and is eligible to pinch-hit in all other games.
As a reliever, he is available every day for PH duty, but if you use him as a PH, he can’t pitch usually pitch in that game, thus hampering our bullpen.
That said, I feel Maloney should be the 5th starter to begin the year, and Owings should be in the pen.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was emphasizing his ability to hit for himself as a long-reliever
and avoid the double-switch. Using him as strictly a PH takes makes him unavailable in the ’pen, but PHing him into the game or forgoing the double-switch saves a bench player and allows Owings to stay in longer in long/middle relief – in some cases saving two bench players. Multi-inning relievers will often come out simply because their spot is up in the order.
And by virtue of the fact that Owings will be a spot-starter / long reliever, he won’t be available to pitch every day, so he can be used as a PH without “losing” him in the ’pen.
Also, as a starting pitcher starting about 30 games and batting 9th (as Dusty would have it), he’d probably see around 90 PAs (3 per game average), at the very most. As a long-reliever/spot starter / PH, I think he’d probably see about as much if he got 1 PA every 3 games or so. So the advantage of Owings bat on the bench / in the pen is flexibility I think — though it’s not a huge advantage over using him as a starter, all things being equal.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
And all things are, of course, not equal
Owings is likely to be better in more limited innings, while Maloney has a better chance to be a more reliable starter. I realize you weren’t arguing for Owings as starter, but even if one were to decide there’s no advantage in flexibility by having Owings as a long reliever, it still probably makes more sense from a pitching standpoint.
It also might be the case that a bullpen role would make Owings a better hitter, if more specialized hitter, by both removing the focus on the rigors of being a starting pitcher and allowing Dusty to pick his matchups for Owings – off the bench, he’ll be batting more against lefties and rarely bunting.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Something tells me if Owings is in the bullpen we will have a catch 22.
Dusty will be hesitant to use Owings in relief in case he needs a pinch hitter, and he will be hesitant to use Owings as a pinch hitter in case he needs a relief pitcher.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
justin has a point.
but I totally get whatcher sayin’.
One under-mentioned problem is that if you PH Owings into the game AND he gets on base AND is left stranded, he gets only 8 warm-up pitches to get ready…which ain’t really enough, methinks.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
well i guess if Dusty is planning on PH'ing Owings and have him stay in the game
If he is due up 3rd or 4th, he could throw in the bullpen before he is due up, and then come from the bullpen to bat.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
That would require a lot of forethought...
hmmmm…..
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Plus it would be difficult
for Owings, because he would be throwing, and then he would have to stop. If the Reds have a long inning they might have to yank him anyways, because once a player enters a game he is not allowed to throw in the bullpen, unless play has officially been stopped.
I know that because in 2003 the Phillies scored 9 against the Cubs in the 6th inning. Larry Bowa sent starting pitcher Paddilla down to the bullpen to stay loose and the umpire sent Paddilla back to the dugout.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's why you throw in the cage underneath the stands. :)
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting stuff
I guess it’s more fraught than I realized. With the right planning, the option is there for the PH-hit, though Owings would likely come into the game the vast majority of the time while the Reds were on defense anyway. Which would still save a bench player by avoiding the double-switch.
I think Owings’ ability to mitigate some of the lack of bench flexibility caused by carrying 7 relievers is pretty appealling.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 23, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Owings
I suppose the question is whether we get better value out of a guy who isn’t as good a starter but is a better pinch hitter? If we have a 5th guy who is better than Owings, we are better off going out to find a better pinch hitter.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Or will he have value as a relief pitcher
According to this Fangraph’s article Owings threw in the mid-90’s while working in relief. Of course that was several years ago, and he has suffered from a loss of velocity over the last 3 seasons. I think his shoulder is toast.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
More and more I see Owings as an enigma
on one hand he’s an OK relief pitcher/marginal 5th starter on the other he’s a step in bucket home run threat as a PH.
Will the real Micah Owings please stand up, please standup
Man Thongs - The perfect male skater uni.
They already have new signs put up in Goodyear to honor Dusty Baker:
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Micah had an extended look last year and was not very good
His K/9 was 5.11 and his BB/9 was 4.81. That creates a K/BB rate of 1.06. He was actually lucky that his ERA was only 5.34. A lot of walks and few strikeouts is a recipe for disaster.
I know we have discussed Maloney’s lack of stuff but Owings’ doesn’t really have great stuff either. His fastball has steadily been losing velocity his average velocity in 2007 was 90.0, 2008 it was 88.9 and last year it was 88.2. According to Fangraphs he lacked the secondary pitches to make up for his lack of velocity as all his pitches other than his fastball had negative value. I think Owings has shoulder issues, he has spent time on the DL in each of the past two years due to shoulder problems.
Can Matt Maloney’s lackluster stuff get big league hitters out? I don’t know, but Owings had 119 innings to prove himself last year, and failed the test.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
well-said, justin
You almost convinced me. I suppose the Reds could ride hot streaks of either.
I haven’t looked at the schedule, but it would be play the Pirates in April and May rather than September, IMHO. A hot start might give some guys confidence (which looked like Micha’s problem last year, if you ask me).
We should let Brother Micah pitch!
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
There is something to be said for Owings being reunited with pitching coach Bryan Price.
He had good success under Price, IIRC.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
In 2007
He was sent down to AAA in 2008.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeouts are overvalued
Balls in play result in a higher percentage of outs since the end of the Steroids Era. The formulas have yet to catch up.
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
This is an interesting thought, and kind of makes sense,
do you have a link to a study supporting this or is it just your own personal thought?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Pure speculation
Not only will fewer balls leave the yard, but there are fewer slugging, lumbering defenders in the outfield; so balls that had in the past gone to the wall will be cut off. More and more, teams are again valuing defense.
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
I think the end of the steroid era might mean..
..that we might soon see more ‘lumbering defenders’ in the outfield and at first base. I’ve got nothing to back that up. It’s just my off-the-cuff speculative theory.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 24, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Left Field
I would go the route St. Louis went with Rick Ankeil, If he can shag a fly ball, you know he can throw, and he should become a BETTER hitter with more AB’s, its not like we got great defense out their now.
The problem is that he's horribly flawed as a hitter
And at 27 years old, he doesn’t have the luxury of hanging out in the minors for two (probably three) years to fix his problems.
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He steps in the bucket and swings like crazy
Course that didn’t stop Mel Ott..hell he didn’t even hold the bat the right way
Man Thongs - The perfect male skater uni.
we all feel like that somedays.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 23, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think sunk costs means what you think it means.
by Brian B on Feb 22, 2010 8:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think it does
The true cost of the option should subtract the buyout, since you already owe it. The 2M buyout is sunk.
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While we’re waiting for Gray, there’s a stuck freight train that’s making me late. Fuck trains.
by ken on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for the opinion on trains
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yeah, it's sunk in the sense that
we’re contractually obligated to pay it regardless. The marginal cost of an additional year of either pitcher is about $11 million.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
And with that attitude, you never will
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel bad for guys like Leake
I mean, he’s been heads-and-shoulders above everyone else on every team he’s ever played on. And you’re going to tell him he’s not one of the top 12 pitchers? I’ve always wondered how they explain that to kids. “You know how you’ve kicked ass every step of your life? Well, we’re not even going to give you the opportunity here. So enjoy being a Mudcat!”
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I don't know, I don't feel bad for him
He’s been way better than anyone else his whole life, but now he’s trying to jump up 3-4 levels from where he was, and for him to earn a spot based on just a few spring games seems a bit short-sighted.
He knows the drill, and if he kicks ass for Carolina and/or L’ville, he’ll be up before too long.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Exactly
If he doesn’t make the team, I think he realizes that it’s not because he failed and that it’s not the end of the world. Sure, there’s competition there, but the entire point of spring training is to prepare for the season, especially for a minor leaguer. He should see it as a chance to get prepared, that way when games do start, he’ll be able to pitch well and contribute and work his way up to the big leagues.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
I think Ryan Wagner should be a lesson
that you shouldn’t rush top pitching prospects up to the Majors
I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.
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Leake notions
I talked to a guy the other day who came up through the minors, got a hitch with the Rockies and is currently signed to a one year deal with Gary in the independent Northern League. So … he’s walked through that forest. I asked him about that “special moment” when a guy knows he’s either going up or staying down.
Generally, he said, “you just have to keep your head about it.” Working extra hard won’t help and getting down about it is even worse. It’s a thin line, he said, and you can’t believe the hype, just keep working with the coaches and improve incrementally.
So if Leake is one of the top 12, he’s in the top 12, not in the bottom 12. His chances of making it now are pretty much in his own hands.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
yeah sorry that you are so talented kid
Sorry for the first time in your life you aren’t the most talented guy on team.
My heart bleeds.
In all honesty the Reds would be foolish to put him on the Big League squad. You need to be sure he can be a regular big leaguer with in 3 years, or else he will be exposed to waivers.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
When they drafted him
Did they take a Leake?
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
That Ohlendorf internship
The program is the one where they want to put a chip in every animal including pets (but not factory farms). “Tracking diseases” is DC BS.
FBI file
When I was dogsitting last week, I would take the dog for walks in the Congressional Cemetery, and I saw J. Edgar Hoover’s grave. To my recollection, it was the only one with a fence around it. And looks directly at the DC jail, about 100 yards away.
I also had Valentine's Day dinner alone in a McDonald's across the street from the FBI building
Let’s see any of you other suckers top that for romance!
by Brendanukkah on Feb 22, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I went to a party where there was a dude dressed as Prince
He stood about 6’7" or so in his heels. Also, I was with obc.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I suppose I could tell you about my adventure not far from where they have the big diamond
you’d just want to talk about the infield, so I will just … not.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Well, I was a couple blocks from where they house the Hope Diamond
Does that count?
by Brendanukkah on Feb 22, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
that would count
knowing where they keep the Hope Diamond is a pretty good thing to know.
I LOVE THAT MUSEUM!!!
(and the Hope is one of the least impressive things in it.)
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
Agreed
Far less impressive than the Hope in St. Louis.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
those incredible mineral chunks
you could not even imagine creating that stuff.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
I was in the basement of a hospital
Looking at poop under a microscope.
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
For all you BBQ lovers out there
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Last year, when they offered the deal to celebrate the anniversary of the Boathouse, the Inn sold 19,450 pounds of ribs at their Greater Cincinnati locations. That’s almost 10 tons.
"We know from the huge response we received last year that this is a great way to say ‘thank you’ to our loyal customers" said Dean Gregory, Montgomery Inn Vice President.
This offer is available at all Montgomery Inn locations – in Old Montgomery (just north of Cincinnati), in Fort Mitchell on Buttermilk Pike, on the Ohio River at the Boathouse restaurant, and in Dublin at its newest location in the Shoppes at River Ridge.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Wanna go tonight?
SRSLY.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm gonna have to see how I feel tomorrow
Without going into graphic detail, I have NOT had a good day.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Did your employer get a house plant?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
by definition his employer has one House Plant!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I'm going to mail both of you a bag of puke
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I guess most people don't know about the beef tongue
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 22, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
tongue is good
you just have to get it at the right spot
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
TWSS
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I don't get it
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
you not down with the 859
and ya aint going to Opening Day….no matter if your tickets arrived today or not.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
you know i love you
in a weird internet, i’ve seen you once in person kinda way.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
There's better ribs in Cincinnati than Montgomery Inn
Not too hard to find…
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
why don't they
just call them potato chips?
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the only places
I’ve seen them called “Saratoga chips” is in Saratoga, NY, where the potato chip was invented…and apparently, in Cincinnati.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I have seen them called "Greater Taters" in the past
O’Charleys now has them and calls them “twisted chips”
Montgomery's aren't nearly as salty as saratoga chips
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
The only thing good about Montgomery Inn is their Saratoga chips
Their ribs are undercooked and lack a definitive smoke ring. They are just so meh.
Their sauce is way too damn sweet, and they slop a god awful amount on all their food (plus give you extra on the side) to cover up for the fact their food sucks.
And let’s not forget that their shit ain’t cheap, either.
Aside from that, Montgomery Inn is the best restaurant in Cincinnati.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Mont Inn ribs on a train are MUCH better
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I had no idea a thread could be hijacked this easily!
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
I have a gift
I’m waiting for my other innocuous comment in another thread to blow up.
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any of y'all let me crash on your couch wednesday?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Go for it
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
you don't live in Cincinnati.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
look at you
with all these demands, beggars can’t be choosers. I am just a 45 minute flight, or 6 hour car ride away.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
If you can deal with an eight yr old who is a clone of me and a four yr old that may ot may not rob you and steal a kidney while you sleep.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I mean, I'm going to wuss out and not make the drive this weekend
but I’ll probably be making a trip east at some point in the next 4 months. I’ll make sure to bring my spare kidney.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Also
I had kinda forgotten just how ridiculous Homer was over the last part of the season last year.
good to see him still working hard, too.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
hell yes
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 22, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Guess what has two thumbs and got its Opening Day tickets today?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Close
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 22, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
winner winner
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Can't be me
Got mine Saturday!
I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.
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Did you win in the lottery?
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Jonny B. Gomes
Not sure if this has been brought up, but my ‘sources’ say Gomes has agreed to a deal with the Reds.
by DocRam on Feb 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if you tell us who your sources are, that would be better.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
RR board goes deathly quiet
as members diligently search the netherworld for word on the Gomes signing.
It is as though the train is late.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
yabbit, I do.
I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)
(high five)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Jonny Gomes
Fay reported that Gomes had reached a one year deal and was going in for a physical this afternoon.
Well he did have a heart attack in 2008
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Hal choose the words to describe Chapman's press conference
he was like a thoroughbred horse at auction, knowing something special was going on but not aware of the nuances.
Probably not the best way to describe somebody who more than likely descended from slaves…
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
Jay Leno is back on the Tonight Show next monday
all is good and right in the world
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
how is that a reply to my comment?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
They're called "production assistants"
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
My sources confirm this
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 22, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
does he let David Letterman boink them?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
boink was the best verb you had for sexual relations?
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
um....
Yeah. Not too serious, not too offensive.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
boinking a filipino is offensive, letmettellya...
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Feb 22, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
hahahahaha rec'd
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 22, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
i was just busting your chops
it made me giggle.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I heard the dog whistle
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 23, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
last season Derek Jeter's VORP was 71.2
why isnt he a good shortstop, again?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I think he's a good shortstop
Not a good defensive SS, but a good shortstop.
Last year, Peter Abraham did a position by position analysis for the AL East, and he was kind of surprised to find Jeter was obviously the best SS in the division. Even though he’s aging and was never great on D, he’s the one you’d want, Pastadiving Jeter and all.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
b/c he sucks defensively
offensively, dude can rake
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought y'all might get a chuckle out of this pic
.
That’s the new pitching coach and he looks like he’s thinking what the hell. Ironically it is an illustration from a story on what a leader Trevor Hoffman is.
UM COFFEY HUNGRY!!!
says the 250 lb beached whale…
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
It is about time that the Red's hired a gay employee as a memeber of the field management of the team.
Surprised to see him wearing socks.
Man Thongs - The perfect male skater uni.
/ginger'ed
Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move. - Satchel Paige
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 23, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Micah Owings
I’d try Micah in Left Field, I wonder how well he would hit if he was an everyday player, it worked in St. Louis with Rick Ankeil.
Of course, Ankiel did spend multiple seasons in the minors learning the position before he was called up to the big club
If putting Owings in LF is something you really want to try, based on the Ankiel model, don’t expect any dividends to come of it for several years.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 23, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we can have Owings as the Reds' long man/spot starter.
..while Micah is down In Louisville learning to mash.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 23, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I heard his wrists were too small and his handshake too limp to ever be taken seriously as a power hitter
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Given both the kind of hitter and pitcher he is
Owings is most valuable in a long relief / spot starter.
As a pitcher, his lack of stuff works better out of the ’pen. As a hitter, he can be a right-handed PH when unavailable as a pitcher (after spot starts or long innings in relief), PH into the game with proper warm-up and generally prevent unnecessarily burning up relievers and bench players though double-switches and subsequent pinch-hitters.
It would be nice if you could throw him at 1B or LF for an inning or two in low leverage situations to add to your bench flexibility, but I think he’d have to overhaul his swing and learn to be a position player in the minors for it to become his primary role. I think he could be the Swiss army knife of players though, one which helps a team circumvent the tyranny of roster construction and player specialization.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 23, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
If the reds make Arroyo there number two starter
and they stick with a 1-2-3-4-5 rotation and don’t skip anybody due to off days, Arroyo would not pitch in the daytime until the last day of May.
Something worth thinking about.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
No it's not
That assumes that Arroyo during the day is worse than your fifth starter.
Arroyo’s Splits:
Career ERA FIP
Day 4.55 4.72
Night 4.10 4.31
Even if the Day/Night split is real (it may not be since he has nearly 2.5x as many starts at night, but it probably has some effect), I’m not convinced that any of the 5th starter options are better. Also, Harang has better night numbers than day numbers too. Should we avoid having him pitch with the sun out too?
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You could give it some thought..
..if you think you might shuffle the order of the rotation just to get Arroyo pitching in the next night game.
But all of this could be forgotten if Wayne would just go out and sign the best available opposite-vampire free agent pitcher.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 24, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Wayne who?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Damn.
I’ve done that two or three times now.
I’m an idiot.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 24, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
It's okay, we all miss his sweaters
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I would actually like them to go 1-2-3-4-5
and not skip over the 5th spot the first time through the rotation. The Reds need Harang to return to form, Cueto to have a full healthy season, Bailey to prove last year wasn’t a mirage, and Arroyo to will not collapse, I think giving them some extra rest early is probably a good idea, even if Maloney, Owings, Wood, Lehr, or Wells are a bit of a drop off compared to the 4 big guys.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 24, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't buy that having one extra day off is going to change anything
rest doesn’t always mean improvement and failures aren’t always because of tiredness. Sometimes its because a pitcher can’t find a rhythm. Starting pitchers are often creatures of routines. Shaking up that routine can be just as damaging.
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Doc Ellis would like a word with you.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 24, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
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