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  • adarowski at BtB asks whether active multi-Gold Glove winners deserve their reputations
    Former Red Ken Griffey Jr and current Red Scott Rolen show up on the list. He only looks at current players with 3 or more Gold Gloves and at least 10 years in the Majors. Here's what he says about Rolen:

    "Scott Rolen is another surprising one. Would you have guessed that his career WAR is better than Hall of Famers like Ryne Sandberg, Yogi Berra, Dave Winfield, and Wilie Stargell? He rides a ridiculous +141 TZ to get there, but also appears to be very underrated on offense. I believe Rolen has absolutely no chance of being inducted. I still have a hard time accepting he's Hall-worthy, but damn. Those are some good numbers."

  • The Fay spoke with new pitching coach Bryan Price about watching Aroldis Chapman's first bullpen session
    "I saw what I’ve seen a few other times before. It’s a live arm and he’s ready to compete. I think this kid could go into a ballgame tomorrow and be ready to compete. He’s extremely athletic. He’s a quick learner..."

    Price also said Chapman could begin the year in the Reds' rotation (anything is possible, right?), but I don't really believe that, do you?

  • Around the Horn has a point/counterpoint on whether or not Chapman should start the season in the Majors
    It's not a terribly knowledgeable look at the situation (there is much hand-wringing over Dusty Baker's shoulder-exploding capabilities), but it's a pretty good take on both sides. Plain and simple though, Chapman will not start in the Majors because if he is with the Reds before June his 6-year, $30 mil deal basically turns into a 3-year, $30 mil deal. That will not happen if the Reds can help it. And they can.

    EDIT - As Gray clarified below, the details of Chapman's contract are not as cut-and-dry as I implied here.  The deal does not become a 3-year $30 mil deal if he is up to begin the season, but it does in fact become significantly less team-friendly.  The contract is actually much friendlier to the Reds the longer Chapman is in the minors, so the spirit of my original comment stands.  Chapman will not be up to begin the season due to his contract status.

  • CTrent tried to get some video of Jon Adkins at camp, but Aroldis Chapman kept getting in the way.
  • Shawn at the Reds FanHuddle blog says only two Reds pitchers are late reporting to camp
    Enerio del Rosario and Pedro Viola are apparently having trouble leaving their native Dominican Republic. If Dusty Baker is anything like my high school biology teacher, he's going to make them stand up in front of everyone and try to explain just what makes them think they are so damn special.

  • In response to the headlining article in yesterday's Reposter on the "Verducci Effect"
    JC Bradbury ran a quick test to measure it's veracity. The results were not very supportive:

    "Pitchers who were predicted to decline actually improved...Frankly, this is about as quick and dirty as you can get with a test; but, it’s a starting point, and I’d like to see others examine the effect further. While I appreciate the intuition behind the Verducci Effect, I don’t see much evidence for it." Thanks to Slyde for the heads-up.

Star-divide

  • Sheldon has Chapman's thoughts on his first day of Spring Training:
    "I feel very comfortable," he said with (Dayton's pitching coach Tony) Fossas translating. "I had a really good day today, the first day out, with getting to know the guys. I feel this is a bunch of really good guys that have made me feel really at home. "I am learning pretty fast, the system and the way it is here. I'm very comfortable with it."

  • Jayson Stark conducted a Spring Training survey with a few baseball guys
    about the winter and the coming spring. It's a fun read and a good run-down of the past months' doings. The one Reds-related item is that Aroldis Chapman was voted the third-most intriguing rookie to watch in the NL.

  • Another one from BtB
    Jeff Zimmerman (Tucson Royal) looks at how much money individual players have cost their teams with trips to the DL since 2002. Ken Griffey Jr cost the Reds about $18.5 mil in dead time. Still heart-breaking.

  • The community prospect rankings over at Minor League Ball have rated Todd Frazier as their #58 prospect
  • Joe Pawlikowski at FanGraphs wonders what it would take for the DBacks to lock up Justin Upton
    It got me thinking about what it would take for the Reds to do the same with Jay Bruce. Do you think it's a good idea?  Upton and Bruce were constantly compared to one another a few years back when they were both top prospects.  They are roughly the same age (Bruce is a few months older) but Upton came up in August of '07 while Bruce came up at the end of May in '08.  Upton broke out last year with a 4.6 WAR performance though, something Bruce has yet to match.  Perhaps it's a good idea to lock him up before he makes that big break, getting him on the cheap before his value skyrockets.  Or is that just playing with fire?

  • The Fay spoke with Paul Janish about the Orlando Cabrera signing
    "I spent the whole offseason thinking I was going to get a chance. More than anything, it’s a change in mentality. Obviously, I thought I was going to be the everyday guy. Now, I’ve got to go back into the utility role. That’s going to be the role. It is was it is. I’ve got to go back to focusing on spring training and being part of the club."

    I really hate these kinds of interviews with players. Janish is clearly frustrated with the situation. I mean, wouldn't you be? He's dreamed his entire life of being a big league shortstop and he thought he would get his chance this season. The Reds didn't look him in the eye and say "we don't think you are good enough", but they basically said it without saying it. That sounds worse.  It's gotta be rough. Of course, the team is better for it, but you know Janish is just heartbroken.  But he can't really say that, can he?  He's gotta be diplomatic.  That's gotta be rough.

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    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

    that's awesome!

    Wow. I can’t imagine how much work it was to make.

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

    $10,000 for a quilt?

    sounds very Slyde-like

    i’ll take an one week all inclusive vacation to the south caribbean…

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

    J.C. Bradbury was my college econ prof

    So may all now form a line to cybertouch me.

    People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

    by Man Mountain on Feb 19, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

    First in line...

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Feb 19, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

    Janish

    I agree with ya to an extent on Janish, but I’ve got to admit, he got a pretty good chance to be an MLB shortstop last year too. Unfortunately for him, he hit .211 in that process.

    I think he’ll get plenty of chances to contribute this year, but he certainly had much more of an opportunity last year than most players ever get.

    Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

    by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 19, 2010 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

    He got more of a chance than Balentien.

    He has to know that his offense just wasn’t there. I would think that he would admit that. I’m sure he’s upset too, but he should be just as upset with himself for not playing at a higher level. I know he’s still young, but he may just be this Reds’ version of Juan Castro.

    I be so turned up, I be swaggin to da max

    by coocooforcocoapuffs on Feb 19, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

    Preach it, Scrabbles!

    Preach it, Red Reporter!


    Plain and simple though, Chapman will not start in the Majors because if he is with the Reds before June his 6-year, $30 mil deal basically turns into a 3-year, $30 mil deal. That will not happen if the Reds can help it. And they can.

    There it is. The facts, brothers and sisters. Yes, it’s disappointing that this is the case but it is what it is. Reds Nation needs to hear it and know it and accept it. Tweet this shit! (Edit it first, no?) Shout it from the top of Marty Brennaman’s ego!

    Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo could have all of their fingers sliced off in a terrible manicure accident at a L.A. Nails/meth lab in a Blue Ash strip mall and Ardolis Chapman will not pitch in the major leagues at the beginning of this season.

    It’s the truth. Pass it on.

    (I hope you have your facts straight, Chuck.)

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    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

    I viouch for the esteemed Mr. Scrabbles

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    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

    That would be the facts

    If A.C. comes up before the 15th of May, stuff happens to the Reds that makes this contract much less appealing. Besides, we don’t probably need him up that soon anyhow.

    I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

    by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

    Erroneous Chapman contract info

    Those facts are a little crooked. If he’s on the team before July, it changes his arbitration date, not his contract. If he’s as good as we hope he is, we’ll lock him up before that happens. No matter when he plays in cincinnati, he’s under team control for 6 years.

    6 years/$30.25M (2010-14), plus 2015 player option

    • 6 years/$30.25M (2010-14), plus 2015 player option
      o signed by Cincinnati as an amateur free agent 1/11/10
      o $16.25M signing bonus ($1.5M at signing; $1.5M each Nov. 1, 2010-13; $1.25M each Nov. 1, 2014-20)
      o 10:$1M, 11:$1M, 12:$2M, 13:$2M, 14:$3M, 15:$5M player option
      o Chapman must decide whether to accept or decline 2015 player option within 5 days after end of 2014 World Series
      o if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2012, $5M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
      o if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2013, $3M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible

    by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Feb 19, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

    your name is long

    Welcome! Glad you decided to de-lurk!

    Yeah, it really doesn’t matter if he starts the season with the team. He has 3 option years, so he could always be sent back down, which would stall his clock. If he doesn’t get sent back down, it’s probably because he’s kicking ass. Worst case scenario is that he’s brought up and gets seriously hurt, thereby eating up clock but not contributing.

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    by Slyde on Feb 19, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

    well

    if he’s up to start the season, he’ll be arb-eligible after 2012, and thus he’ll add $5 mil to his $16.25 mil bonus. so it’s not 3 years and $30 mil like i originally thought, but rather 3 years and $21.25 mil. he’d then go to arbitration on top of that, thus adding an unspecified amount to the money he’d make. that’s not an insignificant amount of money. if they wait until June of 2011 to bring him, which is actually kinda likely i think, they can avoid those converted bonuses and such and squeeze much more value out of it.

    of course, if he does come up sooner than that, the Reds will likely want to re-work the deal. that’s a ton of money to pay a guy for his first 3 years of service and they’d likely want to try to maintain some kind of cost-control. but Chapman and his agents may not be tenable to such a thing. but if he is up so early and never sent back down, then it’s because he’s kicking so much ass that we wont give a damn what they are paying him.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

    But you made it sound like you meant June 2010

    and if he comes up in June 2010 and stays up, he’s still arbitration eligible before the end of the contract. So it’s not quite the huge jump that you implied above.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

    i stand by it

    if he’s eligible for arb at the end of 2012 (which would mean he’d have to be up before June ‘10) then the 6-year contract will then basically become a 3-year contract. if he’s up later this season and is eligible for arb after 2013 it would still be unfriendly to the Reds, but not as unfriendly.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    But that's not what you said.
    Plain and simple though, Chapman will not start in the Majors because if he is with the Reds before June his 6-year, $30 mil deal basically turns into a 3-year, $30 mil deal.

    What you said here was that starting him before June 2010 vs. in June 2010 or later means shifting from a 6 year, $30 million total to a 3 year, $30 million total.

    If I’m reading this correctly, being arb eligible after 2012 means paying him $25.25 million for three years plus whatever he gets from arbitration for 2013 and 2014. Arb eligible after 2013 means $25.25 million for four years plus whatever he gets from arbitration for 2014.

    If he’s never arb eligible, we’re paying $30.25 for five years, through 2014. Of course, he’s also not playing at the major league level for a good chunk of that. But playing him before the cutoff for arbitration after 2012 translates into no direct change in money, just one less year under control without arbitration.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

    Which is to say

    we should focus on the marginal change here. Playing him before the cutoff means $25.25 million for three years; playing him right after the cutoff means $25.25 million for four years. The deal doesn’t go from a six year to a three year deal depending on which side of June 2010 he’s called up, as you implied.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

    fine ya big bully

    i get it. i’ll change the wording in the post. just call off your goons, ok?

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

    Don't mind me...

    I’ve been trying to get my students to see that we should only consider marginal benefit and marginal cost in making a decision for the past few weeks.

    I think some of them may have gotten it.

    I think I agree with your main point, though: it’s likely not worth rushing him to the majors this year if we take into account that this could also mean losing one contract year to arbitration. But as Slyde and others have pointed out, the hit isn’t quite as clear cut as we’d like to think.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

    Okay, so maybe it's not worth TWEETING..

    Lord knows that should be reserved for really important things.

    But here’s something worth considering if you feel you’re approaching a deadline to make an important decision with implications stretching beyond a certain date. (I’ve been trying to tell my wife this for years!)

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

    oh yes

    im so totally emailing that link to my wife. she’s completely irrational about that stuff. she throws eggs out all the time, even though i taught her the “will it float” trick.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

    "...even though i taught her the "will it float" trick."

    Sounds dir-tay.

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

    Scrabbles' kitchen is the heart of his house!

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

    you dirtbag

    if you put an egg in a glass of water, the faster it sinks the fresher it is. get your mind outta the gutter. jeez lah-weeze!

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

    I know the "will it flot" trick

    Of course, I also know the “dog in a bathtub” trick.

    /gutter’d

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

    dog in the bathtub trick

    If it gets in the bathtub, it’s probably a lab.

    "People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

    by crolfer on Feb 20, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

    head over to urban dictionary, young pup

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 21, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

    Perhaps the most useful site on teh interwebz.

    "Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

    by ZJiff30 on Feb 22, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

    your right. me retarded.
    What you said here was that starting him before June 2010 vs. in June 2010 or later means shifting from a 6 year, $30 million total to a 3 year, $30 million total.

    it isnt an either/or situation as i inadvertently implied in the original post.

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

    There's no aggregate change in money

    in any scenario, but calling him up before June this year, on top of losing a year of control, incurs the the risk of have to shell out significantly more cash in 2013 ($5M+arb vs. $2M).

    I think this is the third time I’ve said this, to little effect, but I’m convinced that’s enough deterrent to keep him in the minors through June.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

    Oh, I see.

    So if he becomes arb-eligible, the salary he’d otherwise get converts to a bonus, plus the Reds will owe whatever the arbitrator says, right?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

    But why are we still calling this a 6 year/$30 million deal?

    Looks like 5 years, $25.25 million to me. Sure, there’s a player option, but he’d only take that if he’s really worth $5 million or less.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

    Because that's the base

    He’s going to take the $5MM in 2015 unless he’s worth more. The Reds have him for 6 years and he’s essentially gauranteed $30.25MM.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

    Yeah, but if we're talking about bringing him up

    anytime soon and then continuing to use him continuously (then worrying about arbitration), that year is irrelevant.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

    Look

    We’ve got him for 6 years at an effective minimum outlay of $30.25M. Sounds like 6 yr/$30.25M to me.

    We’re now stuck in a semantics argument contained within a discussion of an arcane detail of a player contract. Whatever we’re doing, it’s not at all related to any kind of pastime. Maybe Joe Morgan was write about baseball nerds. I must have taken a horribly wrong turn somewhere in my life.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

    Obviously, i can't be too much of a nerd

    if I think "right’ is spelled with a “w.”

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

    But I do love the misquote:

    “Joe Morgan was write.”

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

    Right

    I think that 2013 money could make a big difference when considering the number of arb cases the Reds might have on their plate that year. They certainly don’t need Aroldis so badly in the first three months of this season that it’s worth forcing the issue.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

    I still think that's an important consideration

    If the Reds are still a few pieces away, there’s no reason to rush him to the majors this year, making his 2013 contract arb + $5MM, when they’ll also probably have Volquez, Votto, Cueto, Masset in their third years of arb, Bruce in his second and maybe Stubbs and a couple others entering their first. That $5MM on top of arb to Chapman could make a big difference when compared to his $2MM gauranteed for ’13.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

    "Shout it from the top of Marty Brennaman’s ego!"

    Wouldn’t we need a team of sherpas and oxygen to climb that high?

    BTW, I have it on good authority that Sherpas will attempt to cheat death for money, but they would never be willing to wade through the bullshit that a journey to the top of Brennaman’s ego would require

    by timb116 on Feb 19, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    My sister and her old man are currently in Nepal.

    She’s running the base camp while he, his ice-climbing partner, and a Sherpa are climbing a couple of previously unsummitted 22,000-foot peaks. He’s one bad-ass mountain man!

    I look at their pictures, and it’s really humbling. Here’s the one he’s on now:

    If all goes well, he’ll have climbed this sheer face to make it the FOURTH peak he’s been to the top of first.

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

    Teddy is carved onto the other side.

    At least, that’s what Cary Grant told me.

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

    your brother-in-law

    has a beard that’d make a Civil War general sigh with pride.

    That’s pretty awesome, though. Speaking as a midwesterner, mountains are freakin’ sweet. Especially ones that noones climbed before.

    I remember climbing a mountain in the Georgian Caucasus once, and being exhausted when I got to the top. I was incredibly spent, and then I look up and see a big Soviet-era radio tower. That someone built. Where I could barely walk to. Damned Commies.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

    I don't think that is a bad thing either

    Plus I see no advantage to rushing Chapman, I have no problem with him starting in AA and letting him get used to American professional baseball before putting him front and center in Great American Ballpark.

    Many in Reds nation clamored for Homer Bailey to be called up in 2006, and we got our wish in 2007 and he clearly needed more time in AAA, and it probably would have been to his benefit to spend a full season in Louisville before coming to Cincinnati.

    I realize that Chapman is not Bailey, but I think one needs to reflect on some organizational errors in the recent past.

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

    Not all guys are going to handle a call-up, even when it is timely.

    Just because we brought Bailey up when we did, and he failed to impress, does not make the decision a bad one, necessarily. It didn’t work out, and it turned out that Homer was too immature at that stage, but that doesn’t mean that he would have fared any better in his MLB rookie year if we had waited a year. He might have done that poorly his first time up, regardless.

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

    And in Cincinnati culinary news....

    Chef Jean-Robert de Cavel is free of his non-compete and can open up a new joint at his leisure.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

    sweet!

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

    Great cook questionable business guy.

    Martin Wade has the deep pockets and experience necessary…should be interesting to see if Chef can pull it off.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

    The only experience Martin has is the unparalleled expertise of being a douche.

    That and his wife’s money. Chef was behind every concept, menu and decor design. Martin has the creativity and business acumen of a turnip. Or, so I hear.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

    Why did the restaurant close?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    Pigall's?

    I could get into a bunch of long-winded stuff but I’ll keep it brief. Wade wanted Chef out, and did everything he could to make him uncomfortable. Wade claims Pigall’s was losing money (patently false) and that he wanted to switch concepts to something less ‘fine-dining.’ He told Chef of his plans and removed him from mgmt. of Pigall’s (he had many months prior been blocked out of the other restaurants bearing his name) and offered to keep him on as a cook. It was some pretty sordid stuff from Wade’s end.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

    I have a slightly differenct experience..

    My store was next to Pho Paris for years. I saw Martin and Marilyn take a personal interest and be pretty involved with that location.Chef was rarely if ever seen. Pho Paris and Pigal’s (esp. Pho Paris) lost a lot money..the Wades got tired of propping them up. It wasn’t until Pigal’s changed their format that it began to make money..apparently too little too late. Like Pho Paris the food was pretty good but the service was just not up to snuff.

    Martin can difficut, but I worked on some charity events with him and Marilyn at my store and found him to be a standup guy. Jean-Robert is a creative and ebullient man and i wish him good luck, but he may just be too esoteric for cinti sometimes. He might want to review why Boca is packed to the hilt even in this economy. David Falk has both ends covered very nicely. I tried for a talbe for 2 tonight…nothing unless we wanted to go at 5:30…
    http://www.boca-restaurant.com/default.html

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

    Did you mention...

    that you have daily contact with a certain blogger who shares a rubber with the Reds ?

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

    You lost me.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

    I can get you in at 5:30.

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

    Mads, I love you but

    I must quibble here. I’m very close to this stuff. Pigall’s did not lose money. There are many tax records and bank documents to prove it. Martin has lied to many people’s faces, including my own. He is still involved in a class action lawsuit from former employees that he refused to pay upon Pigall’s closing. He claimed there was no money, and that Jean-Robert was to blame for that. In truth, Wade removed the money to pay the bills, only to replace it later to revamp the new concept. He, and Marilyn may have left you with a good impression, but I can point you in the direction of many, many people that he screwed over, not just Chef. There is much, much more to all of this that I’m not really able to talk about. With Pho, I can fill you in on some stuff privately if you want a little more back story.

    Falk, OTOH, I have known for many years….don’t even get me started on that kid.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

    Check the link again above.

    Check out the fool in the Reds hat.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

    Hey now that's my clean Reds hat,

    I wasn’t expecting to be in the goddamn pictures! They asked for my name and I told them I didn’t want to be in them and to not list my name. So, the article appeared and the photo caption described me as a friend who didn’t want his name mentioned or something. I got so much shit in such a brief period that I called them and added my name (after I again asked to be cropped out).

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

    The caption on pic 2 is allsome.

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

    It should read:

     “The Man”

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

    Now half of your ugly mug is gracing the main page of cincinnati.com

    Well done, sir.

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    Not anymore, thankfully.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

    I decline to answer that

    because I’m usually drunk enough at night to think that everyone looks like a penguin.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    Rec'd.

    Pops, I continue to trust your judgement.

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

    has Chef ever been to Opening Day?

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

    Indeed... with me.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

    I defer to your closer involcement with the finanacial end of things.

    I only know ‘hearsay’ from the staff at Pho..complaints about not making money, the lack of customers and the constant turnover there…BUT I never saw the books or discussed the intimate finances of those restaurants…and ultimately I don’t care that much, as I am not friends with either party and I was very sad to see Pigal’s Cafe close.

    So to any and all who read my earlier comments please know that I neither retract nor affirm them as gospel truth. Just commentary from the guy next door.

    It appears (as usual) that Pops is da Man.

    However although I don’t know Falk..his restaurant is killer…and that’s the last I’ll say about any f this stuff as I defer to fact over opinion.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

    You're right,

    Boca is excellent, or at least it was the last time I was there. The scallops and brussels sprouts rock the house….and Richard Brown, the maitre ’d, is a very good friend as well and the best in the business.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

    I lied...that wasn't the last I have to say..

    Although I don’t know Richard personally, I must concur that he is as a good at his job as anyone anywhere that the FMM and I have dined. The service at Boca’s is absolutely just right, spot on. As good as the food.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

    Ha. I'm reminded of NYCReds' signature.

    But for the record, Pops, I trust your judgement. ‘Cuz you’re a Reds fan and you invited my family to your house that one time!

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

    You're still invited Alan.

    Any ’ol time, and especially at fireworks time. Jean-Robert and I do the cooking.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

    No pressure there :)

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

    Wait. Pops, you share your kitchen with another man?

    An experienced professional?

    Maybe I’ll leave my wife at home.

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

    I aint Brokeback Kitchen or nuthin,

    but yeah, I share it with lots of folks.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

    Just kiddin' ya.

    Sounds pretty cool actually. The kind of thing I might like to aspire to.

    For now, I’m content to (on a good day that doesn’t include a stop at Chipotle) crank out blueberry waffles, heaping bowls of yogurt and whatever might constitute what we call “Moose Lee,” lots of PBnJ, some lovingly browned fish sticks and once in a while I’ll labor through something good from Cook’s Illustrated that calls for some parsnips and fresh herbs so I can feel like I’m getting my goor-may on..

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

    Everybody Likes Sandwiches!

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

    It's got raisins.

    You like raisins.

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

    Color me unimpressed.

    jch will be there opening night, however

    by Highlifeman21 on Feb 19, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

    Fair enough, wine boy

    we do what we can for our friends.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

    Which is an awesome thing

    I just remember having a bad meal and being turned off. If he opens a restaurant, I’d give it another try.

    Him opening a restaurant downtown should breathe some life into the the city, however.

    by Highlifeman21 on Feb 20, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

    Janish

    I agree that that interview had to be tough on him.

    Fay says he wants to talk with him. Janish knows what question is coming and doesnt want to talk about it and knows he cannot say what is truly on his mind. But he knows he cannot refuse an interview or it will look like he is sour and sends the wrong message to the brass.

    So he goes in and spouts the P.C. answer.

    For some reason I really like Janish and want to see him get an extended look and succeed. Most weak-stick infielders that come along I couldnt give two shits about, but Janish is different.

    Cant explain it.

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    by jmgard6 on Feb 19, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

    How could you not love a player named Janish?

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Feb 19, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

    is it the ability to also be a bullpenner if needed?

    "Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

    by joshuar9476 on Feb 21, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

    Agree about locking up Jay

    I’ve been banging that drum. Jay’s still far enough from the big payday that he might take a significant discount for some certainty. Do it, Walt!

    by ken on Feb 19, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

    yessir

    and not just one of those stupid “cover the arb years” deals, but one of those 9-year extensions like Longoria got. i’d love to see something where he is guaranteed money through his arb years, but then something like a 3-year club option for his first 3 FA years. yeah, something like that. and fitted hats on Hat Day instead of those cheap one-size-fits-all adjustable ones. i want a hat like the players wear!

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

    Yeah! The big 22 year-old Texan...

    With 40 home runs in 200 career games and a to-date player comparison to Barry Bonds?

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

    Uhh.. the 'husky' kid..

    ..with the to-date player comparison to WIlly Mo?

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    The only thing I'm concerned about with Jay

    is his ability to hit lefties in the bigs. That’s really been dragging down his production. He’s a defensive assett and has already put up an 848 OPS against righties through his age 22 season – but that 198/285/312 line against lefties is brutal.

    Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

    by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

    3C Train in Ohio? pffffffffft

    An average speed of 39 mph? Oy Vay….
    stupid ohio train article here

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

    They shouldn't even mess around with the 39 MPH train

    They should just start with high speed rail, and fund cities to upgrade their mass transit, whether it be better buses, street cars, subways, or elevated trains. The problem is this is a half-baked idea. I mean with the way it stands now, as a Hamilton, OH resident, if I needed to get to Columbus or Cleveland I would drive, simply because the train will take twice as long, and I will then need to rely on poor intra-urban mass transit or a cab.

    But then the problems that will plague the 3-C Train are problems that plague Amtrak nation wide. I am looking to go to Boston this summer, but I don’t want to drive, simply because I don’t want to deal with hassle of parking my car when I get there, and I would be going alone and that is a long drive to make solo. So my choices are the bus, which will take 22 hours, and cost $140, flying, which will take 5 hours (with a connection) and cost $260, or the train which will take 22 hours going there, and about 40 hours coming back, for $300. I don’t even have the advantage of being able to take more luggage on the train rather than a plane, because riders can’t check baggage in Cincinnati.

    So unless local, state, and federal governments are willing to truly do this right, they shouldn’t do it at all because here is what is going to happen. The 3-C, as it is planned right now will fail and it will lose political inertia because won’t be politically popular to want to upgrade a failing rail system. Unless they plan on using the 39MPH train as a start up, and to immediately being to upgrade to high speed rail, they shouldn’t do it all.

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

    I considered posting

    this earlier, but didn’t because I knew you’d just freak out. But if you’re actually interested, here’s a well-balanced look at the current state of it.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

    Also, wow.

    What a crochety editorial, complete with the usual whining about Washington “racking up trillions in debt.” I don’t mean to start a political argument there (other than to comment on the crochetiness), since my point is that for this there are benefits and costs.

    It would cost a small amount each year to keep service running (ooooh, $17 million! A fraction of one percent of what the state spends on roads!), and there are benefits. Obviously the short-term benefits aren’t outlandishly huge, and don’t include whisking people between Cincinnati and Cleveland at 120 MPH, but there are benefits nonetheless. I happen to be one of the people who think that it’s worth something on the order of $10-$20 million a year for Cincinnati to provide another way for people without cars to get between these cities, but whatever you think, it’s not very helpful to toss out as many red herrings as that editorial does.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 19, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

    I would just rather they start with high speed rail

    and properly fund local mass transit. I feel like the 3C on its own is doomed for failure.

    I am really for upgrading this country’s rail system, but I don’t think this is the best way to do it.

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

    bottom line

    slow trains suck.

    that’s the reason i quit riding the Miami Valley Railroad at Kings Island when i was 7.

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

    I thought it was because of what you did in the back car

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

    They didn't.

    That’s why obc was asked not to ride anymore. The world is NOT your toilet, man!

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

    here's some pointers for ya Lefty Liberal

    How to Have Green Sex

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

    RRec'd

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

    I'm a caboose man.

    It’s all about the caboose.

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 19, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    Petey is much wiser than 'tHan

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

    I laughed soooooooo hard at this because I could hear you saying it in person

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

    tHan Xing!

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

    The first slide had condoms on it, so you lost me before you ever had me

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

    Well, at least he didn't say they play better in the sun
    "Latin guys who play winter baseball (are in shape)," Baker said. "From talking to Bryan, (Chapman) usually had two weeks off the whole year. This is probably the longest he’s been off his whole life."

    by ken on Feb 19, 2010 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

    your friend

    Paul Bush has re-signed with the Yankees.

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

    I know his girlfriend.

    Went to college with her.

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    by ZJiff30 on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

    figure skating

    They should make them wear uniforms. If it’s a real sport, they should wear uniforms.

    All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

    by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2010 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

    Black Onesies.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

    with feathers

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

    Something like this Pops?

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

    ever thought of becoming a Reply Consultant?

    might not be big bucks in it…but you could change the world, Mads.

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

    Yes to you both.

    A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.

    by Pops Daniels on Feb 19, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

    I'm sorry obc...it will happen again

    these conversations just draw me in and I can’t help it.
    My therapist has finally gotten me past the denial stage and I am becoming more and more comfortable with who I am and how I fee and I can now freely without guilt or shame, blame jch,

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

    hell, i cant even post pics Mads

    call it even steven?

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

    Even Steven...you can't post pics? I blame jch.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

    I blame obc's head injuries

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

    How did Reds Do In the Offseason?

     I still think they should sign Johnny Gomes. After all, they signed Nix and he is no better defensively and has less power than Gomes. If Bruce or Dickerson falters or there is an injruy, having some power and experience would be a nice option.I think Rolen will hit 20+ HR’s this yearas he looks healthy and ready to go. Some folks complain about Cabrera but Janish as slick a fielder as he is has not proven he can hit well enough to justify a full time job. Cabrera is certainly a better option than some of the bums Dusty wanted to sign over the years like Castro, Neifi Perez, Royce Clayton types…If Stubbs can handle leadoff, Orlando C can bat 2nd and that will give the Reds the best leadoff combo they’ve had in the past 4-5 years. It’s nice to see the farm system finally producing some major league quality pitchers and hitters-that has been a long time in coming. I amy be in the minority but I see Bailey and Cueto both having good years with Jay Bruce hitting .270+ and adding 20+ homers to the mix as well.

    by tallchuck1 on Feb 20, 2010 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

    In fact, Nix is MUCH better defensively than Gomes

    Over their careers, Nix is worth about +10 runs saved for every 150 games in the outfield. Gomes is worth about -22 runs saved in the OF. That’s a 3 win difference over a season on defense alone. Gomes makes up a bunch of that difference on offense, but overall they’re comparable players in total value. They just get there differently.

    The point about needing some power is a good one though. I’m still down with them signing Gomes, but I’m not sold on it as a necessity.

    And you are nowhere near a minority on this site in regards to your opinion about Bailey and Cueto. We loves them!

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    by Slyde on Feb 20, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

    And..

    I think many of us would assume that with a .270 BA (as long as he doesn’t sit on the bench when the Reds face lefties) young Jay could have 30+ home runs.

    More! More! More!

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

    Gomes reminded me an awful lot of Adam Dunn defensively in LF

    Which is fine, since LF D doesn’t matter.

    Gomes however, didn’t swing the same big stick as The Donkey

    by Highlifeman21 on Feb 20, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

    20 dingers in limited playing time is pretty impressive

    Especially for the money he was making vs. the money Dunn was making.

    by Brendanukkah on Feb 20, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

    As serious as a heart attack

    I want a guy who can rake, mash, what have you, OPS close to if not better than 1.000, and stick his ass out in LF, where his D doesn’t matter

    by Highlifeman21 on Feb 20, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

    Hey tallchuck - you new around these parts?

    Jump in the water’s fine. A Gomes signing definitely would bring some pop into the everyday line up. Nix can play all 3 OF positions and is a good LH PH off the bench, plus good for the occasional start.
    J. Bruce is poised to have a break out season…here is hoping that he does.

    Don’t pay any heed to all these guys around here who want to muck everything up with the facts.

    'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

    Sarah Palin

    by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

    how soon we forget that Freel was a mean leadoff hitter

    …100 games a year, but still. 2006 had Freel-Hatteberg at the top of the lineup. Those were good days, my friend.

    "And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

    by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

    I guess we've all resigned ourselves to letting O-Cab bat second because Dusty is a dork.

    It’s not a spot in the lineup he’s earned, deserves, nor is logical nor productive, but I guess we’ll just accept it.

    Out of our starting 8, isn’t Cabrera one of the WORST options to bat second?

    And tallchuck – welcome aboard! :)

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 20, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

    I wouldn't bet on it, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised

    Even in his decline he’s hit a fair amount of XBH the last few years. Some of those doubles could turn into HRs at GABP. Plus, he’ll get to face easier pitching for a full season. His health will be the biggest factor.

    by ken on Feb 20, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

    20? Maaaaaaaybe.

    Maybe.

    But 25 would stun me.

    "Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

    by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

    or 2005

    With Freel, followed by Felipe Lopez, and sometimes Rich Aurilia.

    by kcgard2 on Feb 20, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

    Yes

    Freel and FeLo were a lot of fun at the top of the lineup. Both got on base a lot and ran well. They were a big reason why the Reds had the top offense in the NL that year.

    by ken on Feb 20, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

    Jonny Gomes, do the right thing, go play in Cleveland with my boy Russell Branyan

    You’ll play everyday in Cleveland.

    In Cincinnati, you’ll have to win a job.

    Go claim your birthright in Cleveland.

    by Highlifeman21 on Feb 20, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

    How's he gonna play every day in Cleveland?

    DH is taken. So are the corner OFs, between Choo, LaPorta and Brantley. Branyan will the the primary DH/4 corner reserve.

    by ken on Feb 20, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

    I think Gomes would start in LF for them

    Brantley certainly didn’t set the world on fire last year, OPSing a robust .707. If I’m GMing or Managing the Indians, I start Gomes over Brantley.

    Sizemore is in CF, Choo’s is in RF. Hafner will DH and I think Branyan should start @ 1B over LaPorta, although I could see them platooning. It also wouldn’t surprise me if they got rid of Hafner, as Pronk’s certainly not the player he once was.

    by Highlifeman21 on Feb 21, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

    He's Hafner man he used to be

    (blatantly stolen from the Deadspin commenter)

    by Brendanukkah on Feb 21, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

    Maybe he gets the smaller half of the platoon

    But even that’s far from a sure thing. In a rebuilding year Cleveland will want to give the younger guys like LaPorta and Brantley as much playing time as possible. Plus, they’ll want to justify to their fans that the Sabathia trade was worthwhile. As for Hafner, he’s going to be difficult to move bc of his contract. There’s also going to be darkhorses like Austin Kearns and Andy Marte in the mix for RH at bats. I just don’t see Gomes getting much time in Cleveland, let alone a chance to play every day. But I also don’t see him getting as much time here as he did last year, so we’ll see what he decides. Which should be today.

    by ken on Feb 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

    What makes you think that ?

    He’d cost a lot up front if he doesn’t stick.

    Man Thongs - The perfect male skater uni.

    by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

    orly?

    I dunno anything about his contract’s structure.

    by jsl413 on Feb 20, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

    Madville isn't quite right,

    but see the conversation above for more about the contract structure.

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 20, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

    Let me edit that
    Madville isn’t quite right,

    but see the conversation above for more about the contract structure.

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

    explain yourself

    he is going to make the same amount of money this year if he is in AAA or MLB.

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

    His salary turns into bonuses and whatever he gets in arbitration gets added on IIRC

    Of course if this happens it means he’s better than even we thought he could be, and we all could care less.

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

    Why?

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 20, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

    I'd give up the little bit of time this year for what you said.

    But playing him before the cutoff for arbitration after 2012 translates into no direct change in money,just one less year under control without arbitration.

    by 'tHan on Feb 20, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

    lefties

    Maloney will make the rotation early on.
    I’d be safe with that bet.

    I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

    by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

    you are a fucking genuis at reply

    Man Thongs - The perfect male skater uni.

    by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

    FTFY

    you are a fucking genuis at reply

    "They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

    by jch24 on Feb 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

    so you are saying if he throws like roger clemens?

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

    reply'd

    Let me write out a formal proof for you.

    by Gray on Feb 20, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

    mad moment there

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

    Mountie school?

    Really? This is the best they can do for Olympic coverage?

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    by BubbaFan on Feb 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

    ... now we're getting some reports ... yes, it's true

    I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

    by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

    nothing like making fun of the assassination of an American President

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

    Poop jokes are pretty good, too. :)

    POOP! POOP! POOP!

    What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

    by PeteyHendrix on Feb 21, 2010 4:33 AM EST up reply actions  

    huh huh huh

    poop! huh huh huh toilet! huh huh huh diaper! huh huh huh derriere!

    by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 21, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

    I hope you didn't spend all day worrying about this.

    I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

    by johnu1 on Feb 21, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    Dusty never changes...
    Will catchers Ryan Hanigan and Ramon Hernandez split time to keep Hernandez fresh: "It depends on how he hangs, how he does. It’s hard to come up with that right away. Ramon historically has been one of the clutch RBI guys for a minimum amount of home runs. In a clutch situation, you need a base hit. I think he was second to Joey (Votto) in percentages (that’s correct Hernandez hit .328 with runners in scoring position; Votto .336).That is where Hanigan really needs to improve. If he wants to play more, he’s got to hit better with runners in scoring position. What did he hit with runners in scoring position last year? (.149) We need more than that."

    Via teh Fay

    Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

    by justin007000 on Feb 21, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

    Sounds like faay been hanging out withSlyde a lot these days

    Fay proposes that Androidis should be considered as the #5 starter in 2010…its in today’s Enquirer, I could not get a link.

    oh and BTW
    BK had better watchout…I’m coming to get you…
    4. Obstinate Know-Nothings * Brandon Kraeling – 919
    5. Cadavers United Mike willis – 917

    Man Thongs - The perfect male skater uni.

    by Madville on Feb 21, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

    moor from Fay

    “Notables who are not here yet: Scott Rolen, Joey Votto, Orlando Cabrera and Aaron Miles.”

    Aaron Miles is a notable?

    by Brian B on Feb 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

    I suppose one of us could show up,

    claiming to be “Aaron Miles, your new left fielder.”

    Dusty would be OK with that.

    I just knew that I would now be having train sex with a very odd broad in no time. I didn’t expect the bitch to shoot me though. (Pops Daniels)

    by johnu1 on Feb 21, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

    Aaron Miles sucks pisswater

    "Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

    by obc2 on Feb 22, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    some very nice Olympics photos

    at the Denver Post.

    (But taking pictures in the bathroom? FTH?)

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    by BubbaFan on Feb 21, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

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