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How did Jocketty do this off-season?

The Reds started this off-season by lowering expectations. Almost from the get-go they let us know that they didn't have a lot of money to spend, so don't expect any big signings. But while all of that was happening, General Manager Walt Jocketty was working the phones in the background. Let's take a look at how the off-season panned out:

November

The Reds mainly did a bunch of roster shuffling with minor leaguers in November. They needed to get the roster all lined up for the Rule 5 draft, so they cleaned out some chaff (Kevin Barker, Darnell McDonald, Corky Miller, and Justin Lehr) and moved some guys off the of the 60-day DL (Edinson Volquez and Mike Lincoln). They finished out the 40-man roster by adding seven minor leaguers including Chris Valaika, Chris Heisey, Travis Wood, and Logan Ondrusek.

The one big league signing that they made was the re-signing of catcher Ramon Hernandez to a $3 million deal with a $3.25 million option for 2011 that becomes guaranteed if he plays 120 games in '10. Reactions were mixed. Justin called it a "decent little bargain."

Both Kip Wells and Laynce Nix filed for free agency and Craig Tatum was picked up by the Baltimore Orioles. Lehr and Wilkin Castillo were re-signed and assigned to the minor leagues.

Star-divide

December

The Reds signed free agent shortstop Chris Burke to a minor league deal. Jonny Gomes filed for free agency after the Reds decided to not offer him arbitration. Nix was re-signed to a minor league deal.

It was about this time that we started figuring that nothing was going to happen with the Reds this off-season. Then the Reds pulled a surprising move and signed Scott Rolen to a 2-year extension that reworked he current deal so that he would only make $7.7 million in 2010 instead of $11 million. We were generally happy about the deal.

The biggest thing about the Rolen deal was that the Reds would be saving some money in 2010, which likely meant they wouldn't have to dump a contract or two - though don't bother trying to tell that to a Mets fan, who are still convinced Bronson Arroyo or Aaron Harang is coming to them with Brandon Phillips for Luis Castillo any day now.

January

The new year started off with a flurry as the Reds signed speedy (and not much else) outfielder Josh Anderson to a minor league deal. It was a signing that felt like the same old, same old from the Reds. Oddly though, around the same time the Reds were starting to be mentioned in rumors for a young Cuban left-hander named Aroldis Chapman.

On January 11th, those rumors became truth as the Reds announced the signing of the 22-year old fire-baller. Reds fans frankly didn't know what to think. But we were certainly excited. The deal was for 5 years at $30.25 million with a player option for a 6th year at $5 million. There are lots of clauses and such all over the deal, but the money is somewhat spread out as over half of the guaranteed money is in a signing bonus that is paid over 10 years. Despite what John Heyman thinks, this was a good deal for the Reds and possibly the biggest outside free agent signing in team history. It showed the Reds were serious about using money to sign amateurs out of Latin America, a strategy they've been developing for a couple of years.

The Reds closed out January by signing hard-throwing right-hander Jose Arredondo, who had been released by the Angels and is due to have Tommy John surgery. The deal was obviously made for 2011.

The Reds watched Ben Sheets work out and Miguel Tejada signed with the Orioles, which meant one more shortstop was unavailable. Silly rumors about Johnny Damon sprang up and fizzled. Miguel Cairo was signed to a minor league deal on the 27th.

The Reds closed the month by signing Orland Cabrera to play shortstop. Reviews were mixed. The deal was for a $2.2 million in 2010 with a $4 million option in 2011 with a $1 million buyout.

February

The month started with a bang as Willy Taveras and Adam Rosales were traded to the Oakland A's for Aaron Miles and a player to be named later. There was much joy in Redsland, though Justin reminded us that the man we got back was no great shakes.

The Reds finished off the off-season action by signing Kip Wells to a minor league deal.

And that's where we stand. The Reds didn't do much to make over the roster for 2010. Orlando Cabrera is likely the only new everyday player. However, they did do some work on building for the future. So, what grade do you give Jocketty and staff for the work they did this winter?

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What grade would you give Walt Jocketty for this past off-season?
A
364 votes
B
819 votes
C
235 votes
D
52 votes
F
15 votes

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I voted B

Mostly because of the creative, good job on extending Rolen and the Chapman signing. Cabrera I don’t mind, as long as the Reds scouts still think he can pick it as well as an average or slightly below average SS. At least they didn’t trade a young player away to acquire someone like Cabrera…
-j

by JinAZ on Feb 19, 2010 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

Me too,

For 2 reasons: obviously the Chapman deal, but I’m also really glad he didn’t give away any good young talent. He’s setting himself up to be really flexible in July, depending how the team is doing.

Also, can’t give him super high marks for the Taveras trade since he was just fixing his own mistake

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle

by nycredsfan on Feb 19, 2010 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I voted C, but I'd gladly make it a C+

The plus is for Chapman, Arredondo, and Miles. I know Miles is garbage, but he can sit on on the bench and even play a game or two -As long as two lineup slots are not occupied by Rosie and Taveras.

Thr C part is for Kip Wells and Laynce Nix. They’re going to get way too much playing time.

I’m still holding out hope for Walt scooping up a bargain or two who are out of options and cut at the end of the spring.

by Brian B on Feb 19, 2010 8:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree on Wells, Nix

All those minor league guys scare me because they all have the potential to be playing-time take-awayers. You could also include Anderson and Burke. I would hope that they are here merely to compete? Maybe it’s like when Seabiscuit was made to lose to the other horses to build their confidence. Maybe these guys will lose to Heisey, Frazier, et al. to build them up.

by coocooforcocoapuffs on Feb 19, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you have to make these signings

Its called Plan B. If the young guys come out and just choke under the pressure (which is always possible), then you better have someone ready to fill the slot. If there is any doubt about Heisey or Frazier, then you send them to AAA. The Reds are clearly playing for 2011. You don’t want to ruin these kids by putting them in the spotlight before they are ready.

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by TheC on Feb 19, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The Arredondo move I think is a very underrated one

Those are the low risk/high reward moves they need to keep making.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Feb 19, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

i think we need to see how those shake out

If Lehr, Wells, and Nix rightly open in AAA and are only used to fill in for injured players, they could be a positive.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd go with B

This is the most excitement I think I’ve had for a Reds team at the start of Spring Training that I’ve seen. I think I would of rather had Tejada then Cabrera but I’m good with the signing. I think the biggest way this grade will change over the next couple of years is how he handles Alonso and Votto

I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.

by chazerize on Feb 19, 2010 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

I love your sig

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by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Adding Aroldis Chapman and getting rid of Taveras and Rosales gives him an A in my book

The Cabrera thing would put it down to an A-, but still it’s looking like Walt’s done a fantastic job so far.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Feb 19, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I gave them an A as well

they didnt make one single bad move this winter. sure, guys like Lehr, Wells, Nix, et al were signed, but these guys arent mistake contracts. they are just roster filler. every team needs that. i cant think of one single move that i wouldnt have done had i been GM (and i will be). i didnt particularly like the Cabrera signing, but it’s hard to get riled up over a 1 year, $3 mil deal. if nothing else, he’s depth at a shallow position.

but just not making bad moves isnt enough to make a good off-season. the great moves are really impressive. im not yet quite a full-blown believer in Jocketty, but he’s got me almost there. Chapman and Rolen were strokes of genius, not just for locking up good talent at good rates, but for doing it in such a creative way. they have everything in place to make the big step forward this year and become a real threat for next season. considering the limiting resources, it’s hard to think of how they could have done it better.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I've always wondered if the GM is really the driving force behind the creativity

Or if some accountant/lawyer type in the background says, “hey, what if we structured it this way instead?”.

I guess I just see the GM as a figurehead and a dealmaker, not so much as the true brains.

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading

when they signed Chapman that they had been having non-stop meetings with the baseball operations staff trying to find creative ways to make the deal work for both sides. I bet those were fun.

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by Slyde on Feb 19, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for stuff like that

Just to see them brainstorm and try to figure stuff out.

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I tried that fly on the wall stuff

You would not believe what it’s like when one of those swatters comes down on you.
I mean … IN-frickin-coming!!!!

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

then he at least knows who to surround himself with

and who to listen to. There’s something to be said for that.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 19, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS

I’ve been very impressed with Walt this offseason. Clearly he’s a better GM than I gave him credit for when Bob hired him. Sure he’s made his mistakes (Taveras comes to mind) but what GM hasn’t. Even Brian Cashman and Theo Epstein have pulled some boneheaded moves (Jason Giambi? Julio Lugo?)

Well done, Walt. Well done.

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by ZJiff30 on Feb 19, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The Cabrera signing may amount to a lateral move

but I’m not sure there was anyone else within the Reds grasp for this offseason that would have improved depth at this position in 2010. I think that makes the move at least innocuous, if not a positive.

Jocketty’s most recent moves (at least from the June draft until now) suggest a plan I’m pretty on board with. He’s stockpiling young players who have a good chance to stick at premium positions (CF and SS), putting money toward the international market, stressing run prevention and not getting locked into multi-year contracts. Within the next several seasons – the team should have good, cost-controlled depth at CF, SS and SP, especially is Stubbs or Cozart pan out. That should allow them to spend where talent is cheaper and more plentiful. Ideally, the Reds would trade for some catching talent and save their free agent dollars for LF or a bullpen arm or two for 2011.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Until the LF issue has been clearly sorted out...I can only give a C.

The two most important goals that Walt had to deal with were:
1. SS – his answer: acceptable but nothing to write home about
2. LF – still an enormous ? for a team that is very suspect offensively.

Chapman’s sign is bold and I applaud it, if I could give c+ I would
If he signs Gomes then I’d move to a B-.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

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by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

wow just wow

You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!

by Dave from Louisville on Feb 19, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow?

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrigley Field, bitches

Just got through to get Ducats for a Sunday afternoon game vs the Reds. The VRW is kind of a nightmare and the actual ticket selection process isnt nearly as easy at reds.com, i had to go for best available vs my preferred bleachers tix request.

sooooooooo, happy bday to me im spending the bigger bucks. we’re a gonna be fairly close to the Bartman seats.

"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Who is 'we' ?

Me and Ash and jch, farny, Slyde, Caleb, ol’ Pete, Highlife, Cy, FVA, Scrabbles, justin, Muffin, BuubbaFan, RijoC,tHan…and everyone I missed ?…you gonna take us all to the game at Wrigley WOOT!

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

we can all sleep in my living room

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I call the sofa.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

you get second sofa

first sofa is mine, as I am subletting my room this summer.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i call a hotel down in The Loop

"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

by obc2 on Feb 19, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Lord!

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

greenies!

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by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean The Drake?

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Sofa!

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If this sofa was in Dayton...

…the picture would include flames.

What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 20, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Solid A

The good moves were great – signing Chapman, resigning Rolen, getting anything at all for Taveras (even if it was just some salary relief). The “bad” moves were even pretty good:

LF – The team has 453 candidates for the position; some old and limited (Gomes, Nix), some young and big questions (Frazier, Heisey, Balentien), Dickerson is a health/position question. Because there are so many candidates (and until Gomes signs somewhere else, he still has to be considered in the mix), I’m convinced a good, workable solution will present itself.

SS – There weren’t alot of good alternatives out there. Tejada is a really bad fielder (‘08 shows why “they” say you need 3 years’ worth of defensive data), and despite the nay-saying around here, Cabrera looks to be “worth” every bit as much right now. If you add up the last 3 years, Tejada (including his out-of-whack ‘08) was a 7 WAR player; Cabrera (including an equally (but negative) out-of-whack ’09 defensive value) was worth 7.8 WAR, and he’s guaranteed about half the money Tejada is. As for Janish, he’s good defensively, but I have a hard time believing he’d be the 2nd most valuable fielder in MLB over the course of an entire season, which he’d need to do to be as valuable as Cabrera. Plus, as others have said, the team has no depth at the position for ’10. Finally, $3M/yr (for either 1 or 2 years) is not an amount of money that hamstrings a team.

Gomes – Not offering arbitration was either genius or really lucky; no matter where he signs, he will make less than half what he would have won in arbitration. I don’t think it was luck.

I think he may get too much blame for the Taveras signing, too. As others have said, the offseason moves show a clear plan – one that is very different from the “win now” mantra Castellini repeated so often in the past. It’s very possible that he, not Jockety, was the primary decision-maker in that deal (with Baker telling him what he needed to “win now”).

In all, a solid A.

By the way – was the Taveras trade ever completed?

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Feb 19, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

I gave him a B

For no other reason than it seems he recognizes the value of making deals that make the fans happy. That will probably add 5,000 fans to the ballpark.

I grade him downward on the reality that we have not addressed the team’s biggest weakness — lack of good hitting. Situational hitting, bunting, hit-and-run. In short, a more efficient offense.

That comes from coaching and the same coaching is in place as I can tell, excepting Price with the pitchers.

Or have I missed something amid all this? We have no proof that this team can score any more runs in 2010 than it did in 2009.

The NL-C is still winnable if we can get the bats hot.

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You think the deals he made were only to “make the fans happy”? Every deal has made the team better, except for resigning Hernandez – and that deal was a decent deal, considering what similar catchers were commanding and the lack of any in-house option.

Bunting and hit-and-run are not good strategies in today’s game. A team needs 5 runs to win, not 3; avoiding outs is much more important. There is only one measure of ‘offensive efficiency’: runs. Adding a significant hitter would have cost much more money than what we’re lead to believe is available.

We have no proof that the team will score more runs than in ’09, but there are quite a few reasons to believe they will:

  1. Cabrera at SS will provide more offense than Gonzalez
  2. Rolen at 3B will likely provide more offense than either he or EdE did (certainly more than EdE)
  3. A rotting corpse in CF would provide more offense than Taveras; Stubbs and/or Dickerson will provide much more
  4. Bruce is likely to provide more offense than last year simply because his luck on BABIP was so poor, let alone the improvement of being a year older
  5. While Votto might drop off some, an article linked earlier this week argues it won’t be much; being able to play more will likely overcome and drop in rate stats

In addition, the improved defense at 3B, LF (if Gomes doesn’t play) and CF will mean the team doesn’t need to score as many runs to win.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Feb 19, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No I didn't say that ... exactly

I don’t think the deals were made ONLY to appease the fans, but I did say that the deals WILL make the fans happy. If they turn out to make the team better, double-bubble!!

Regardless of our ideas on a good offense, the truth remains that we need to get past “inert” this year. I am hoping Rolen is the key to that and certainly Cabrera is better than what we had, allegedly.

I don’t yet see the upgrade in the outfield.

But the “likely” adverb is nice to insert here. We do need 5 runs and I see that we might be able to score 4.

I do see the team as much better, but it is Feb. 19. I thought that a year ago, and I thought the pitching was superior then as well. Strange, we continue to debate that, a full year later.

And as for cost of the player, I remind myself that the objective is to win the World Series.

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign me up Sid!

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

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by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I misspoke

In the NL last year, a team only needed to score 4.5 r/g to be above average; the Reds scored 4.15. In the AL, however, you needed almost 5 r/g.

That’s still too many for a “small ball” offense to work, unless (1) you play in an extreme pitcher’s park, or (2) you have an extremely good pitching staff; the 2010 Reds have neither.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Feb 19, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if we are agreeing or not

I am neither small ball nor big balls, but I am not yet convinced this Reds team can conjure up anything but an accidental offense.

There is the promise that all will be better but we still have a bunch of guys who “potentially” could play left field, center field and corn field. The guy who wins the job? That is such a joke — a half-dozen mediocre outfielders competing to platoon.

Now if we nuts it up and get some guys to actually play better baseball … we are still at least one good hitter away from competing.

 

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Tejada will be playing 3B for the Orioles

Frazier would have been a better SS option.

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by poojols on Feb 20, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

OT and a Farmers post

I will be seeing Tom Nichols on Saturday at the RailCats Fanfest in Merrillville IN.
Nichols is the voice of the Dayton Dragons and went there in 09 after a couple of years announcing and media-managing the Gary team.

If anybody wants me to ask about a farmhand, Nichols would probably know. He obviously won’t share truly inside info but I know the guy well enough to ask the questions anyhow.

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

No one's really pointed out that Jocketty judged the catcher position well

He re-signed Hernandez early, and no one was really enthusiastic about it, but then the other mediocre catchers on the market started going for big bucks. By the end of it all, Hernandez’s contract ended up looking very reasonable.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 19, 2010 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I've been saying it! Hernandez is good!

(enough)

(to be a stop-gap)

(for a sub-.500 team)

(like us)

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

(when he's healthy)

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

(takes away FVA's parentheses buttons)

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by jch24 on Feb 19, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

))((( (((()

here are some extras I found lying around on my keyboard. Recycle with care, pls.

Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part

by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me..

I saw ‘Up in the Air’ and was pretty ambivalent about it. Not bad but surprisingly amateurish in a few parts and pretty much overrated when taken on the whole. Not bland enough to be offensive or judged as a waste of time but certainly disappointing. I watched the somewhat climactic ‘breakup scene’ and kinda squirmed in my seat thinking, “Ugh. Only a Hollywood screenwriter would think that a real person would use the word ‘parentheses’ like that.”

Oddly, two weeks later when the movie was nominated for this, that, and the other thing, I found myself yelling at my computer screen: “WHAT?!? ONLY A HOLLYWOOD SCREENWRITER WOULD THINK THAT A REAL PERSON WOULD USE THE WORD ‘PARENTHESES’ LIKE THAT!!!”

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

premature post

that break-up scene was particularly disappointing. i heard Jason Reitman on Fresh Air talking about how impressed he was with George Clooney in that scene. he was particularly worried that that particular scene was going to stretch Clooney in ways he was not used to. of course, he nailed it on the 2nd take (according to Reitman).

i had heard all this prior to seeing the movie and was kinda waiting for it the whole way through. i kept saying to myself, “watch out for that one scene where Clooney nails it”. then the credits rolled and i had that “oh” feeling. nice little movie all together, but no great shakes.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 19, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wanna see some greatness?

The opening scene of ’Star Trek" (BluRay DVD) gets six thumbs up from me and my preschoolers.

I’ve never really cared about that whole crew (Han and Chewie could whup ‘em all!) and I’ve never even seen a minute of ‘Lost’ (I will.. I will.. One of these days.) but that opening scene was like fresh hot Eggo brand blueberry waffles with the ‘full-sugar’ Aunt Jemima syrup that Daddy gets out when Mama’s not around.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Tear. Jerking. Score.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I also kind of choked up watching Up In the Air

A movie about being fired, isolation, and the Midwest? Right in my wheelhouse.

I also flipped my shit when I heard “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6PAqnhIK9s" target="new">Help Yourself" by Sad Brad Smith.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 20, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll check that out again.

As isolated Midwest-set muchy dramas, you’ve seen ‘About Schmidt,’ yes? I’ll take it over ‘Air’ any cold gray February day.

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

About Schmidt is pretty fantastic

It definitely nails the “Wait, is this hilarious or depressing?” balance much better. But it doesn’t have Vera Farmiga and Anna Kendrick. Kathy Bates in a hot tub just isn’t the same.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 20, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll spare slyde and not post that picture again

i did however really enjoy about schmidt.

i’ve been looking forward to watching up in the air, but you guys have made me less excited about it.

by 'tHan on Feb 20, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched 'The Invention of Lying' last night.

Kinda fun. Imagine ‘Life of Bryan’ as a set-in-the-present date movie.

Sometime this weekend I’m gonna try to sit through ‘Benjamin Buttons.’ Why do I feel like I owe Brad Pitt and David Fincher these three hours of my life? Why?

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I just got The invention of lying out of my mailbox!

i hope to get to watch it sometime this weekend.

i also have star trek beside my tv waiting to be watched.

by 'tHan on Feb 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

What I meant was: ‘Lying’ is a ‘date movie’ that happens to be set in the present (unlike ‘Life of Brain’)

Didn’t mean to sound redundundant.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Benjamin Buttons = Forrest Gump

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by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

‘Forrest Gump’ with a lot of whispering and mumbling that I can’t really hear and even though his drinking buddy who is secretly his dad just told him that he’s his dad… I can’t care anymore.

I think I’m one of only nine people who liked ‘Meet Joe Black’ and I still don’t know why Brad Pitt makes these movies. He should stick to inglorious monkey fight clubs.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

There was a great mashup on Youtube showing the similarities, but I can't seem to find it

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by jch24 on Feb 21, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Shut up.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Up yours!

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by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

uh...

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really you Al ?

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by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't be sure.

But it smells like it.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't seen it

But a good friend of mine is one of the real people they interview who lost his job.

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by sidnancy on Feb 19, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, after I saw the movie..

..I saw a roundtable discussion of movie critics on Charlie Rose..and they mentioned that some of those clips were real people and others were actors ‘using the words’ of real people.

At the time that I saw the movie, those clips did meh for me. When I learned that they were ‘real’ I thought “gimmicky and self-indulgent.”

Here’s my real problem with the movie. Is Clooney’s character supposed to be real or is he supposed to be some kind of archetype or a symbolicrepresentative of corporate America and its relationship with the workforce (and their families)? ‘Cuz if he’s supposed to be an archetype they just didn’t do enough with the premise for me to be satisfied. And if he’s supposed to be a real guy that really flies around the country really firing people well… that’s just stupid.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely amazed that not everyone voted A or B

This off-season was genius, and he got a solid A.

Seriously (1)HE TRADED TAVERAS! (2) Signed the most hyped international FA ever to a very clever deal. (3) Got a solid SS for 3 mil (4) Creatively extended rolen AND (5) Extened a decent C for a reasonable price

I truly can’t believe we have 84 people amoung us that think this was a C or worse. Look around baseball in the situations some GMs were in at the beginning of the season, I really think that only the Seatle GM did a better job than Walt…..but he had money to spend.

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 19, 2010 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

they are cubs fans

who posted once on RR.

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by justin007000 on Feb 19, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

the Seattle GM

also got Milton Bradley.

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by johnu1 on Feb 19, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

for nothing

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 20, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

less than that actually,

Silva’s WAR was -.1. Bradley was worth 1.1 WAR. So the Cubs essentially netted -1.2 with that trade.

God and my roommate things Jim Hendry is a great GM…

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by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got to be the worst GM in baseball, next to Ed Wade

I think they are going to have some serious sunk cost problems the next 2 years because of old overpaid players being injured

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 20, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Well he is part of the problem of baseball economics

Dan O’Brien signs Eric Milton to a 3 year $27M (?) contract and hamstrings the team for the length of that contract, Hendry to this point has the resources to spend himself out of his mistakes.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because Walt was in the higher end of the pack doesn't mean I should grade him on the curve.

He did a C job on SS
Nothing for the Pitching
and LF is a black hole.

What else did he have on his plate that urgently needed to be addressed?
Other than trying to figure out what to do with Dudsy.

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by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Cabera is at least a B, given the options out there

Reality is he was cash strapped and did a great job.

What would you have done?

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 20, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Kidnapped Hanley Ramirez, of course.

I wish I could be sure that Jocketty at least considered that option.

by the finest muffins on Feb 20, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I gave him a C

Like someone else said, he doesn’t get credit for trading Taveras, because he’s the one who signed him to that ridiculous contract in the first place.

I think it would have been smarter and more daring to go with Janish over Cabrera. Yes, some depth there is good, but he obviously promised Cabrera the starting job. I’d prefer he at least let them compete for the job.

And I’m not as thrilled about Chapman as most here. There’s a reason no one else was willing to give him that much money.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 19, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Chapman who knows?

He’s just a prospect, hopefully a great one.
But I agree with BF about competition for the SS job.
Jannish, Cabrera – even Frazier. same with CF Stubbs and C-Dick…almost every position with the exception of 1B, 2B and RF should be up for grabs. (maybe not 3B – Rolen is a proven MLB hitter).
I agree that the Trading of T-virus was meaningless. He wasn’t in the picture for 2010 anyway.
I sincerely hope that Walt gets it together with Gomes soon and that his signings of Roland and Cabrera work out.

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by Madville on Feb 19, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for truth on Chapman

I’m glad there’s at least one other person here that agrees with me!

by 'tHan on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

"There’s a reason no one else was willing to give him that much money."

You can say that about just about every free agent signing ever. There’s a reason no one else was willing to give ARod that much money. There’s a reason no one else was willing to give Manny that much money. There’s a reason no one else was willing to give Willy Taveras that much money.

I don’t buy your argument.

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by Slyde on Feb 20, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

You never gave your grade!

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 20, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

obviously

Since those deals worked out so well for teams that signed them.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 20, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I believe the other offers were ~ 25M

Would it change your opinion if we had given him that? Or does the extra 5M make the difference?

by ken on Feb 20, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

But unless you believe (1) Janish really is the best defensive player in MLB and (2) Cabrera really was 27 runs worse on defense last year than in ‘08 (and 17 runs worse than his average) than it’s clear Cabrera should start ahead of Janish, because if even one of those two assertions is false he’s a better overall player.

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by sidnancy on Feb 20, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe 1)

2) I consider quite likely.

In any case, it’s not like I gave him an F. I gave him a C – average.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 20, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

(2) Signed the most hyped international FA ever to a very clever deal

Ichiro would like a word with you, sir.

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by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

so would The Fat Toad

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by obc2 on Feb 20, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never seen you this positive before

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 20, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Somebody found love!

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by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

did you buy a ring yet, champ?

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by obc2 on Feb 20, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I was waiting for your review series on the local jewelry shops before making a decision

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by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, well said....rec'd

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by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If Walt signs Gomes tomorrow...I move the grade to a B.

I’m not sure anyone could get an A in this economy.

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by Madville on Feb 20, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Have I mentioned on this site the assessment I heard of Janish?

“He’s got weak wrists. When you shake his hand, there’s no strength there. Most big leaguers have a powerful grip when you shake their hand, but not Janish. He’ll never hit because of that.”

They went on to explain wrist strength is something that a player must be working on early on. It’s not something you can just decide to fix. It changed my whole perspective on Janish. I’m not excited by Cabrera, but I’m also convinced that Janish isn’t going to put up better offensive numbers unless he gets lucky.

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by Slyde on Feb 20, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

did you hear that at Fantasy Camp?

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by obc2 on Feb 20, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That's funny.

Somewhere in one of these threads you mentioned meeting and talking to Sweet Lou. And I think we all just left it hanging there.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I associate Slyde with a trombone

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by poojols on Feb 20, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I play trombone...

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by crolfer on Feb 20, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

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by crolfer on Feb 21, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What did you hear about Mike Piazza's wrists?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 20, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good piece of info.

You can tell a lot about a baseball player’s hitting ability by his forearms and wrists. I like Paul Janish a lot; he plays great defense, seems like a genuinely likable guy, and he had a great major league debut. But he has high school freshman wrists and he was never viewed as a future starter in the minors. He couldn’t hit there either. I think the fact that he was the alternative to Alex Gonzalez made him look better than he is overall to some people, but he simply doesn’t bring enough to the table to be a legitimately good starting option. He has no power at all, no speed at all, and no ability to hit for average at all. Decent plate discipline and great defense are only gonna get you so far when you’ll be lucky to ever bat more than .240 with a combined 5 homers and steals in a full season. I’ve honestly never seen so much love for a player that OPSed .601 the prior season.

Jay Bruce, on the other hand, has Hulk Hogan forearms. Beast.

by Geki on Feb 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember a scouting report on Josh Hamilton when he was first drafted

The term “forearms like ham hocks” stood out to me, I’ll always remember that and BJ Szymanski’s “Thoroughbred horse frame”

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

that sounds weird to me

Even if he does have weak wrists for a major league player, I can’t believe you can tell that from shaking hands. Surely he has enough strength the squeeze someone’s hand if he wants to. He’s still pro athlete, who probably has a lot more strength than the average Joe. I would assume he’s shaking hands that way by choice – either because his dad never told him nobody likes a limp fish handshake, or because he doesn’t want to get into those “who can squeeze harder” competitions. Or because he’s protecting his pitching hand. ;-) (Can a guy who can throw 90+ mph really have weak wrists?)

And if he does have weak wrists…shouldn’t the team that drafted him have been working on that over the past six years?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 20, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just reporting what I was told

but I’m certain this person knew more about Janish than just by shaking his hands. He was just using that as an example.

And I would bet that you can have comparatively weak wrists and throw 90+ MPH. A strong arm, solid mechanics, and a properly timed snap with your wrist could probably get the job done.

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by Slyde on Feb 20, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Presumably Slyde was talking to somebody who has met a lot of baseball players.

And presumably this guy has shaken the hands of many of those baseball players and thus was likely comparing Janish’s hand strength to the hand strength of said other baseball players. I know you have a slightly irrational love for Janish, but I think you’re gonna have to accept that he’s kind of a girly man compared to his compatriots.

As for working on the weak wrists, I don’t really think there’s anything that can be done about it. Janish’s frame is more or less maxed out. He’s not a scrawny guy, he just doesn’t have the natural strength of most professional athletes. You can’t teach speed, and unless Brian McNamee starts working for the Reds, I’m not really sure you can teach strength either.

by Geki on Feb 20, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Great

Now I’ve got “Bullet With Butterfly Wings” stuck in my head and am flashing back to sophomore year in high school.

(Man, that was great when that song would come on the radio.)

by Brendanukkah on Feb 20, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

BubbaFun you are a Janish apologist

as far as this goes

And if he does have weak wrists…shouldn’t the team that drafted him have been working on that over the past six years?

I think that there are certian small muscle groups that are so difficult to isolate and strenthen that it is nearly impossible to improve them significantly…..without years of commitment at a young age(<20). Examples are cavs/ankles, wrists, low back/obliques, hips, and wrists/forearms. To me this is the difference between “weight room” and “brute” strength, which is larger genetic.

Small muscles also tend to track together, so if he was “weak wrists” then he also likely has “weak hips, low back, etc.” As former wrestler and wrestling coach, you hear this ALOT when talking about evaluating for scholorships. Weak hips, heavy hands(plus), Skinny ankles, etc. Big time programs (Big Ten, Big 12) take this very seriously.

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 21, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't buy that

He throws 90+ mph. I can’t believe he can do that with “weak hips, back, etc.”

As for the wrists…I suppose it depends on which muscles. But I would think any muscle could be strengthened.

I know I got noticeable muscles in my wrists when I worked in a deli in college. I had to lift heavy pans of beef off the cooler shelves to weigh them each day. I ended up with bulging muscles in my wrists. Someone told me they were “milk maid” muscles – because they’re the muscles you develop if you milk a lot of cows every day.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 21, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The Reds wasted money on Cabrear, they could have just gotten this instead:

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by justin007000 on Feb 21, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to recall

it’s been done.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 21, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem solved

Instead of ST in AZ, we’ll just have Janish work @ the Carnegie Deli until Opening Day.

Lifting corned beef will certainly do the trick!

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt that

But I also doubt that even very experienced baseball guys can tell much by shaking someone’s hand.

I’m not one of those who discounts old school scouting completely. But I don’t think it should be accepted at face value, either.

As recently as the mid-80s, a lot of old baseball guys thought blacks should be outfielders. Because they’re dumb and fast. While pitchers and catchers should be white, because you need brains in those positions. Of course that seems ridiculous now.

There’s increasing evidence that it’s not inborn talent that makes for greatness. Rather, it’s practice – a particular type of practice. Sure, physical gifts count for something. I am never going to be a defensive lineman in the NFL. But within reason, it’s practice that separates the great from the also-rans.

This ties in with another thread of research, that finds the best predictor of success is not intelligence or talent, but grit – the ability to stick to it in the face of obstacles. Yeah, I know. “Grit” has a bad name among baseball fans.

But we’ve all seen it. Emmitt Smith fell to the Cowboys because many thought he was too small and too slow to cut it in the NFL. Michael Jordan, cut from his high school basketball team. Jerry Rice, passed up by 15 teams because he was too slow. My alma mater won the national hockey championship back in the ’80s. The guy from that team who had the greatest success in the NHL was the guy everyone said was too small to make it as a pro.

I would really like to see some of these scouting maxims tested scientifically. Everyone seems to think you need to be a big guy to hit for power. Is that true? Babe Ruth was a big guy, but Hank Aaron was pretty skinny. A-Rod tried bulking up, but it didn’t help him at the plate, and it hurt him on D, so he quit.

There was that analysis awhile back that found the bigger the pitcher, the lower the ERA. That was kind of interesting. They claimed it held true even when controlled for height. Does that mean little Danny Ray should bulk up to Wellsian proportions?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 22, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Darryll Strawberry hit for a ton of power and was skinny as hell

Of course, he was on cocaine so there’s that.

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by jch24 on Feb 22, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't imagine taking cocaine

I’m rather high strung, cough medicine makes me jittery.

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by jch24 on Feb 22, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto

My friends won’t let me near anything like that- they know I’d probably manage to get myself killed.

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by crolfer on Feb 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Cocaine doesn't seem like your thing anyway

Cooking up meth is the best way to set yourself on fire.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Fire sounds fun...

Meth does not… Although, Columbia is pretty much the meth capital of the world- right between KC and STL.

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by crolfer on Feb 22, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Lima is the roofies capital of the world

Which lead to some serious problems in ONU’s frat houses. Assholes.

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by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

its really weird how places compete

to be the meth capital of the world. Seriously, I’ve heard just about any middle-america town to claim it. I don’t get it.

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 22, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

have you expressed interest in trying cocaine?

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by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. No.

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by crolfer on Feb 22, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Again

Let me reiterate that this person didn’t say what he said about Janish based solely on a handshake. He is very familiar with Janish having spent a considerable amount of time with him. He was only using the handshake as an example.

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by Slyde on Feb 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

but

that doesn’t answer the question of why they haven’t worked on it, if they knew it was a problem.

Okay, it’s probably too late now. Was it too late when they drafted him in 2004?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 22, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

what says they didn't work on it with him?

I may not have quoted him exactly right, but I think his primary point was that it’s probably too late for Janish to get any stronger in the wrists at this point. That might mean that the work they’ve don with him didn’t do the trick.

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by Slyde on Feb 22, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

who is "this person"?

i hate unnamed confidential sources….

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by obc2 on Feb 22, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't reveal it

but I will say that it wasn’t Mark Stowe.

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by Slyde on Feb 22, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Deep Throat v 2010!!!!

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by obc2 on Feb 22, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be interested to know

If he blew off their recommendations, then screw him.

But I have a hard time accepting one person’s assessment without proof. (Except for that Orioles scout who saw Bubba Crosby in the CWS and said he best natural CF he’d ever seen. He was undoubtedly right! ;-) Even very experienced and successful people can believe goofy things. Like the SS should always bat second. Or that people with a lot of melanin don’t have what it takes to be a quarterback or a catcher.

This isn’t just about Janish. It’s something I’ve wondered about for a long time. Scouts often judge players on their physical traits, but how accurate is that? Is it true that you have to be a big guy to hit for power? Or that short pitchers tend to be fragile?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 22, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember we aren't selling blue jeans!

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by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what proof you are looking for

Janish has never been a good hitter at any level above A-ball. I don’t think it’s a matter of them giving him recommendation and he ignoring them. It may just be a matter that he’s not physically capable of getting stronger in the wrists. We all have our limitations, that’s just one of his.

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by Slyde on Feb 22, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not demanding proof in that particular instance

Clearly, that wouldn’t be possible. OTOH, I’m not gonna believe one anonymous source, either.

I’d like to see some hard evidence for some of these beliefs. In general, I mean. After all, if wrist strength can tell you if a guy will be a good hitter or not, it seems like it would be something easy to test.

Are we creating self-fulfilling prophecies when we tell little guys they’re never going to be home run hitters? And are we wasting our time with little Danny Ray?

It may just be a matter that he’s not physically capable of getting stronger in the wrists. We all have our limitations, that’s just one of his.

I find that hard to believe, but I guess it could be possible. There was that study that came out a few days ago, that found 20% of people do not get fitter no matter how much they exercise. They can tell from your DNA whether you’re one of those.

And if I were in charge of the Reds, I think I would start testing players for grit. I bet that would have saved them from drafting Milton Loo.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 22, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll go with that.

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 22, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

shoulda kept Rosales for grit factor, BF

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by obc2 on Feb 22, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe you'll get to see him in spring training

The Reds play Oakland, now that they’re in the Cactus League.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 22, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you are doing 2 things in your argument I disagree with

You are arguing that 1)physical traits are not limiting, which they are to a certain extent and 2) saying that if they were limiting Janish, then it is the coach’s responsibility to fix him.

A coach’s job is too evaluate based on projectability. As a former coach, I can tell you I didn’t spend equal amounts of time of individual instruction with each and every player. Two things determine who a coach spends time with 1) work ethic of athelete and 2) projectability of said athelete’s talent.

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 23, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you know, I more or less agree with that

But what if projectability is wrong?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 23, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

he should spend the winter scooping ice cream at Graeter's

and i am officially on the record as suggesting this!

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by obc2 on Feb 22, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Winter?

You want him to build wrist strength scoopin’ ice cream in the winter?

That’s like joining the Arena Football League to practice your endzone dances.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 23, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

at what point is it a player's responsibility to improve himself?

a coach can only do so much, especially since Janish has never been considered more than a marginal prospect.

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 23, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I could not agree more

But as you noted in your earlier comment…a coach’s time isn’t infinite. He’s going to spend his time with the players he thinks will be most successful. Which could end up being something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course it’s partly the player’s responsibility…but when it comes to something like baseball, there’s only so much a player can do on his own.

I read about one prospect who struggled the first year, then improved markedly. His secret? He used some of his signing bonus to buy a top of the line pitching machine. It cost six figures. Not something just anyone can do.

I toured the Pirates’ relatively new and spiffy ballpark, and they had two pitching machines. For 25 players. Even if they were in use full time, that’s not really a lot of time for each player. Plus, pitching machines have their limits, especially at that level. It doesn’t really substitute for live pitching.

And even if they have every opportunity, I suspect the average player doesn’t really understand that it’s not just practice that matters, it’s deliberate practice. That crossed my mind when I saw those Caravan videos the Fay posted. Janish said in one of them that he was taking a more thoughtful approach to practice now, instead of just swinging away and making the same mistakes over and over. Dunno how serious it was. Maybe it’s just the kind of fluff players always say when someone shoves a camera in their face. But someone should have told him to do that years ago.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 24, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

So we disagree and agree

This is blwoing my mind right now.

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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 24, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Janish popped out like this, hit doubles like that

but he did it with a wiffle ball bat ohhhhh

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 20, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd this for the reference without even following the link

Good job, sir.

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by jch24 on Feb 20, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kip Well < David Wells

Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.

by justin007000 on Feb 21, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Hhhhmmmm

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by jch24 on Feb 21, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

so can we just insert the FCF

when appropriate?

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by johnu1 on Feb 20, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

offseason

The Reds could have gotten a good OF with experience fairly cheap before Gomes was signed at the last minute. The dumping of Taveras and signing of Cabrera along with the young star in waiting Chapman rate as smart deals and will help the Reds. Someone who could hit and play 3rd would have been nice as Rolen is older and has been injury prone but all in all with a lower salary range, the Reds did ok and should win 85 games if healthy.

by tallchuck on Feb 23, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome to the fray, tallchuck!

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by jch24 on Feb 23, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Chief Tallchuck to you moron.

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by Madville on Feb 23, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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