Farmers Only: 10 Burning Questions for 2010, pt. 2
by BK on Feb 17, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Tomorrow marks the the first day of the baseball season, and as such, we here at Red Reporter are already looking for things to talk about. Earlier this week, 'credsfan answered 5 burning questions for a few of the minor leaguers for 2010, and today we're going to look 5 more questions that face the entire organization in general. Check out our minor league questions after the jump, and let's start gearing up for the big day tomorrow. The season is almost here, Reds fans!
Will a "catcher of the future" emerge this season?
It's about time for Devin Mesoraco to shit or get off the pot. After two mediocre years in A-ball, the Punxsutawney Pitch-caller needs a big year this year to avoid being labeled a first-round bust. With a few lesser draft picks having solid years last year in Chris Denove and Kevin Coddington, and a pair of promising catching prospects from the 2009 draft in Mark Fleury (4th round) and Tucker Barnhart (10th round), there are finally a few decent players nipping at Devin's heels. Devin has a few things going for him, in that he's still 21 until June and he's out of the pitcher-friendly Florida State League. He'll either start at High-A Lynchburg or AA Carolina, but needs a solid year wherever he is to stay in the picture.
Up the Punx, Devin.
Will the large pool of young international players start yielding some legitimate top prospects?
Players like Yorman Rodriguez had a huge year last year, but if you look at the top of the Reds prospect list, Juan Francisco is the only name that stands out as a Latin American prospect that's in the picture for 2010. The Reds have prospects from all over the world that haven't done much yet, from places like Venezuela, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and Curacao. We've seen the Reds spend money on the international market the past few years. Will those prospects start to pan out? We'll be following lesser guys like Mariekson Gregorius, Junior Arias, Miguel Rojas, Yen-Wen Kuo, Alexander Smit, and Tzu-Kai Chiu, and the big ones like Yorman Rodriguez, Juan Duran, and Aroldis Chapman to see if the Reds new strategy for building talent in their organization is paying off.
Sorry Mariekson, we're not calling you D.D.
Will prospects be promoted aggressively or will the organization maintain a conservative approach?
The Reds for the last decade or so have been known as a team that hasn't rushed prospects, but with the latest regime change has come some noticeable changes in the organizational philosophy. Players like Matt Klinker, Enerio Del Rosario, Logan Ondrusek, and Zach Stewart (RIP) progressed 3 levels last year. If players come out of the gate hot, will breakout players continue to get promoted progressively, or will they take a more conservative approach like they did with prospects like Homer Bailey, Drew Stubbs, and to a lesser extent, Travis Wood? With more top prospects ready to contribute than in previous seasons, will they take an aggressive strategy with players like Mike Leake and Aroldis Chapman?
We miss you already, Z-Stew.
Will the Reds be aggressive with the draft, or continue being major players in the Latin American market? What can they afford to do? Can they do both?
The last few years have seen some big signings like Juan Duran, Yorman Rodriguez, and most recently Aroldis Chapman, but where has that money come from? They played it safe for the most part in the 2009 draft, taking two players in the first round that signed around slot value (and signed them both). With even more money dropped in the international market, will they still be able to do what they've been doing?
Duran. Just once.
What positions will the Reds target in the draft and international market this year? Will they draft/sign based on need or get the best players they can?
With seemingly plenty of depth at most positions, it seems like the Reds can take any kind of strategy they want to bring in new amateur talent. Will they start trying to fill the positions with prospects at the top levels? Would they go get more Latin American outfielders? Will the position of a potential draft pick dictate their drafting? For example, it's been 10 years since they've taken a middle infielder in the first round, and they have a few international guys that are still far away. Will they draft one this season in case Cozart doesn't work out? Should they?
Will the Reds look for more players like J.C.?
What are you guys looking for when you look at the Reds minor league system? What questions are you looking for the Reds to answer this year?
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I thought that said Cheese Worms
and I thought you wanted to discuss micro history…
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I saw cheese worms
on that show with the chubby guy who eats weird stuff. He’s got a new one called Bizarre World or something like that. I was checking the listings the other day and the episode was Wisconsin. C’mon man. We don’t have cheese worms or penis restaurants.
My bold prediction is that Neftali Soto emerges as the catcher of the future this seaso
But I’m also expecting a good year from Devin
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by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2010 8:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Are you joking or have the Reds indicated they will try him at catcher?
I can’t tell.
by Brian B on Feb 17, 2010 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yep
I’m pretty sure I saw him working out on catcher type drills at Goodyear. I didn’t know who it was at the time, but I saw Doug say that they were trying him there and I realized that it must have been Soto.
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Soto - Catcher
Soto did spend time behind the plate in instructional league last fall. Apparently he did well enough that the Reds are giving it some serious though. He has been spotted in Arizona doing catching drills this month as well. The interesting thing is where does he go? From talking around he won’t be in Dayton to catch, and he won’t go to AA to learn to catch (those pitchers would lose their minds with a catcher who has really had no experience catching). So is he going to split time at catcher in Lynchburg with Coddington? Is je going to play 3B most of the season just catching bullpen sessions and getting a start once a week when a solid pitcher is on the mound to ‘test the waters’ some more?
Huge questions around this move.
just looked up Coddington on baseballcube
why is anyone so excited about him? Seems like filler to me…wouldn’t mind seeing Neftali try to be even the 2nd best catching Soto in the central
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Excited's a strong word.
He topped .300 during 4 of the months. I guess any offensive contribution from catcher gets noted. I really don’t see a strong prospect in the bunch but we should be able to have 2 respectable catchers at each level now, for what its worth. I would still pick Mesoraco as the favorite. We also got Brandon Yarbrough from the Cards, solid but major league backup most likely at best.
It's been ten years since they've taken a middle infielder in the first round...
what was todd frazier drafted as? or is it 2017 already?
Technically, no
Frazier was a comp/sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round. Mesoraco was the Reds first round pick in ’07. Frazier and Lotzkar went in the comp round.
But did they really take a conservative approach with Bailey & Stubbs?
They screwed Bailey’s options and development by putting him on the LOU/CIN merry-go-round way too early in his career. Plus, he didn’t exactly go up the minor league ladder in a step pattern.
2005 = A (28 G)
2006 = A+ (13 G) then AA (13 G)
2007 = A+ (2 G) then AAA (12 G) then MLB debut as a 21 year old for 9 G
2008 = merry-go-round, 19 G AAA & 8 G MLB
2009 = more merry-go-round, 14 G AAA & 20 G MLB
All of that seems rushed to me, and definitely not conservative
As for Stubbs, given he was 21 when we drafted him, I guess you can make the conservative progression argument, but he spent all of 2007 in A, and then in 2008 he played in A+, AA, and AAA which last time I checked is 3 levels in 1 year, and doesn’t seem like a conservative approach to me. 2009 he played a huge chunk in AAA and then made his MLB debut. So, his 3rd year in the organization he made his debut. Seems kinda rushed to me, although maybe we should expect that from a kid that played 3 years of college ball?
Last year in particular, Stubbs could have come up 1-2 months before he did and made the same impact
Those three (Stubbs, Bailey, Wood) were the main offenders for guys that spent too much of ‘09 spinning their wheels at a level where they didn’t belong. To me, that’s being conservative, where guys like Zach Stewart who put up the same production was rushed up 2 levels by the time Wood got promoted one, and I think that’s significant given this organization’s track record.
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think with Bailey, there was good reason to keep him down
He was tinkering with a new pitch and needed to build confidence. But in general, I like to see the higher-ceiling pitching prospects get promoted agressively. It would be great to see Leake do well in Dayton or Lynchburg and finish the year strong in Zebulon or Louisville.
I fully expect Leake to see L'ville before the season ends.
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by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Same here.
I think he’s driving the Lynchburg to Louisville train this year. With Devin Mesoraco on board, and a possibility of A-Chap getting a seat there too.
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna start a bus thread
led by the Megabus beast. Trains have stations, Megabus doesnt. Win.
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by obc2 on Feb 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I ried to join "I'm a fan of Megabus" but...FAILBUS
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What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
Verboten!
What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Slyde, never let 'em see ya sweat.
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there that was supposed to come up the first time
i did the exact same thing twice, and i have no idea what happened.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS
What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'll be a little surprised if Devin gets to Louisville. He'd have to have an absolute monster year for that to happen.
And I really hope they start Chapman in Carolina, unless he struggles in ST. (which is only a day away, bitches!)
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
If I was a betting man, I'd still say A-Chap gets a few starts in Lynchburg
And yeah, Devin to Louisville probably isn’t realistic. But hope springs eternal this time of year, so who knows.
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Avatar bet?
He starts in Lynchburg or lower you win, anything higher, I win.
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Deal.
I’ll change mine to that douchenozzle Dave Matthews if you win.
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I'll change mine to any UK soccer player's wife you want
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There is a baseball connection
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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The BIG TRAIN
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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and, of course ...
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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to get all yucky
but this better not be it. I’ll be sad. It’s shameful.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
was it impressive to see him in person?
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I would have loved to see this guy pitch!
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Bigger Trane
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by Madville on Feb 17, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That'll always get a rec from me
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Daedalus
is going to have a lot of wrecking to do when she gets back from the beach.
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if i knew how to hack into the inner chambers of SBN
That would be the new symbol of RR.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be surprised, I think, if Leake ever sees Dayton.
It’s a shame, cause it’s a nice stadium and I’d love to see him, but he’ll be in Lynchburg to start, and probably to Louisville before too long if he’s as good as they say he is.
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Chapman
Do you think they would start Chapman in the packed house in Dayton, or do you think they might use him to lure fans in Carolina or Lynchburg? To me, it doesn’t matter where they start him as long as it’s below AAA to start. Gotta get him on a mound blowing kids away for a month or so.
by Brian B on Feb 17, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chapman's starting position depends on his ST performance.
If he’s blowing guys away in ST, he probably goes straight to L’ville. If he performs decently, he’ll probably be in Carolina. The only way I think he sees Dayton is if he really struggles in ST. If that’s the case, I’d play him in Dayton. The MWL is more of a known quantity (at least to the Reds) than the Carolina League, plus Uncle Walt can keep a better eye on him here.
I’ve never been to Zebulon, so I don’t know how big Mudcats baseball is, but Dayton would certainly be abuzz if Chapman spent time there.
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I'd add Frazier to that list as well
Dude was cruising at AA all season and didn’t get called up to AAA til the very end, whereas the very END got called up a month or two sooner even though he wasn’t performing as well.
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by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I figure it as:
The Reds want 6 years of Frazier, but are ok with getting as much Francisco as they can or can’t. That’s at least what helps me sleep at night. That the Reds are playing the Arb clock. Yup.
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Yeah, could be, also I was hoping when they promoted END so aggressively it was to showcase him for a trade, a la Zach Stewart
but it seems like the Reds genuinely think he’s great.
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I'm not sure how you can justifiably argue that Stubbs spent too much of '09 spinning his wheels at a level where he didn't belong
Why should the Reds have promoted him 1-2 months before they did, when he put up a robust .713 OPS @ AAA? Granted, he put up a decent .353 OBP as part of that .713, but I don’t see how or where he was languishing in AAA and deserved an earlier promotion.
IIRC, Stubbs was the model of inconsistency @ AAA in 2009. Here’s his lines per month in 2009 in AAA in AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS format.
April = .256/.347/.326/.673
May = .311/.417/.453/.870
June = .235/.295/.304/.599
July = .306/.393/..398/.791
August = .194/.265/.258/.523
So, should we have brought him up during or after May? Should we have brought him up during or after July? His monthly splits are very cyclical, which is scary, and doesn’t tell me he’s spinning his wheels at all, but rather trying to find himself. Honestly, I don’t think he’s found himself yet, due to the fact his SLG surpassed his minor league career average while his OBP dropped noticeably below his minor league career average.
As for Bailey’s 2009, I agree. He should have been promoted much earlier, but IIRC we were still experimenting with the back end of our rotation, namely 5th SP before injuries nipped Volquez and Harang, thus resulting in Bailey’s promotion.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Stubbs OBP
after his first week of initial struggles in MLB, Stubbs OBP’d .348 the next 5 weeks in the majors.
Should prove interesting to see the OBP he posts in 2010, no?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Going to depend on the power
If the power shows up for say 15 HR’s over a full season, I think he can post a .340 OBP. If he is more of the guy you think he is, he will struggle with the OBP.
I definitely don't think he can maintain a high OBP along with his newly found power and decent SLG
I just want his OBP to return back to what it was in the minors. If that means his SLG slips, then so be it. I think he’s more valuable to the Reds getting on base playing his brand of D, as opposed to not getting on base and having his newly found SLG.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why would his OBP suffer because of slugging?
Like I noted, outside of week 1 in the majors, he both slugged and got on base.
Read below what Slyde said
I think any situation that causes him to swing more means a lower OBP for him.
If he truly has power and is swinging more, that’ll exploit his contact issues, which will hurt the OBP but doesn’t necessarily have to negatively impact his SLG. Unless he fixes his contact issues, swinging more won’t increase his OBP.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I don’t think he needs the power to be a good OBP guy. I think any situation that causes him to swing more means a lower OBP for him.
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Agreed
If he continues to have contact issues, swinging more definitely won’t help improve his OBP.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Power
I think him showing more power will lead to getting pitched to a little more carefully. I don’t think he will need to swing more to hit for power, just be consistent with his swings.
Therein lies the rub
being consistent with his swings
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
so what we are saying
… he needs to get the bat on the ball and drive it to the gap or beyond the fence.
correct?
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Seems simple enough
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several guys in the Hall of Fame for doing this
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Or he just needs to walk more to supplement his AVG
I don’t care how he increases his OBP.
Increase his AVG, increase his walks, or both.
Bottomline, just increase the OBP. I don’t care where the ball goes when he hits it, just that when he hits it he’s only making an out roughly 72% of the time.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
really?
a .280 OBP is acceptable to you? /math fail
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
re-read what I wrote
I said that when he hits the ball, I only want him making an out roughly 72% of the time, which is a .280 AVG, not a .280 OBP.
Had I said “when he goes to the plate, I only want him making an out roughtly 72% of the time”, then you’d be correct with the .280 OBP.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 17, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
try
Subjective Statement
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well Bailey did get a May start
and he shit the bed.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
my thoughts
no
yes
more aggressively
draft more so than int’l
OF and SP
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i really want an orange jersey
and I want Smit to make it just because he’s Dutch. then i can be cool and get an orange smit jersey with nederland stitched across the chest. i won’t be cool until that happens.
riiiiight
a honkballer jersey is what’s keeping you from being cool.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, of course
but i think you are a little more than an obscure jersey away from coolness :)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
:-P
I think she’s already cool. So there.
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beware the obscure jersey comparison to coolness
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I think the guy behind him
is Orestes Minoso.
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That has to be the worst name for a mascot I've ever heard
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Gapper doesn't kill Jews
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
but wait, there's more
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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
help me on this
Our indy league team signed a pitcher a couple of years back who quit U.S. ball to pitch in the Nederland. We thought that was amusing at the time.
Since when did that become a hotbed? Do they play it in Holland or it it confined to their Caribbean colonies?
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They do play in Holland
But a lot of players on the Oranje National Team play in the US in some capacity. From what I’ve seen, there’s a variety of players from both Nederland and Curacao on the team. Here’s a list of the team in the Hoofdklasse this year.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
certainly their list
of famous players proves a lot.
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A few other tidbits from that article
- The Hoofdklasse Honkbal has been going since 1922.
- They have the same promotion/relegation system as soccer leagues around the world. That means the Durham Bulls would be in the NL East this year and the Nats would be in AAA if they had that here.
- Their best player in 2009 was Canadian Ryan Murphy, who went .312/.404/.420 as a 1B in 40 games and was 10-2 with a 0.89 ERA in 110.2 IP. In the same season. He’s the Canadian Babe Ruth!
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
geez the relegation system
Think about the 1982 Reds … how long does it take to get out of that?
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In soccer (and I'm assuming honkbal)
It’s an annual thing. It makes the late season games a lot more interesting for the crappy teams because they still have something to play for. You don’t want to be in the Dutch Second Division.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
You want to make fun of the Dutch Eerste Divisie?
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it's like being in a dutch oven
by ken on Feb 17, 2010 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Netherlands is one of the best teams in European baseball (along with the Italians)
They have a professional league and many players from Curacao come over and play in it. They don’t get paid much – most players have other jobs. The national team often wins the European Cup.
Interesting
Baseball tends to follow the Americans around, as it did in Japan. I’d have thought that, by generic connection, the Germans would be more into baseball because of our military over there.
I can’t see a real thread for Dutch interest in baseball beyond that it is the second most exciting sport in the whole wide world.
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I've learned from the Winter Olympics (and I guess Hans Brinker)
That the Dutch are passionately into speed skating as well. Hup Holland!
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
that at speedskating I understand
it’s that fear of the Second Division that baffles me.
Soccer is for real men.
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I am still trying to get tix
to the Lingerie Bowl.
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my ancestors
Came over from Holland just about the time the Indians got conned out of Manhattan Island.
The deal was, move to Cleveland or we call in Columbus.
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draft strategy
I applaud you all/both/whomever for lighting a little candle to help me get a better focus of how the entire drafting strategy works. (Insert train photo here)
But it also raises questions from me concerning the percentages.
- Odds against any non-monster pick making it to the bigs
- Odds that the guy knows that when he signs
Looks like the vast majority of kids who get contracts are useful for filling out the roster at Chattanooga (pardon me, boy). What’s left over are guys who could be named Ptbnl in a deal for Willy Somebody.
IMHO about Bailey, we spent more in gas money shipping the guy back and forth to Batland than it would have cost to hire a decent coach who could teach him how to pitch.
I didn’t mean to derail the conversation.
Train of thought, you realize.
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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
even monster picks
Don’t always make it to the bigs.
I looked through a few years of first round draft picks once, and 1/3 never made it the show. Probably half the others did play at least one game in the big leagues, but weren’t the superstars they were expected to be.
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some fairly notables
I remember a kid from Evansville, Tony Moretto, who the Reds nabbed as a No. 1 back in the 80s sometime. I don’t think the guy got out of Billings.
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or some get derailed along the way
Todd Van Poppel and Paul Wilson were first over all draft picks, and both suffered arm injuries. While they made it to the majors they were a fraction of what they could have been.
Seriously though, remember the Paul Wilson who couldn’t break 90 with his fastball? When he was drafted the threw 95-97.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
makes you wonder
on Wilson whether the scout was fabbing some data.
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no
he did throw that hard in his first MLB season in 1996. But he had shoulder and elbow surgery over the next three years.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Izzy
He was another of the big 3 the Mets had drafted (Pulsipher was the third?) and arm injuries forced him to a different role.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i saw Pulcifer
last summer in a series in Gary. Indy league ball fit him nicely.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
why would anyone go to Gary?
except to ride the train, of course.
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by obc2 on Feb 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, our team is the
Gary SOUTHSHORE RAIL-cats, I will have you know!!!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
you sir are correct
i remember one night when the Reds played the Cards, Pulsipher was called up to St. Louis and was sitting in their bullpen, and GiGi was marveling over all three of the big three in the same ballpark. It was something akin to Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz sitting in the same dugout.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
"It was something akin to Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz sitting in the same dugout."
If you made them throw with their off hand.
Wasn’t Maddux’s brother the one who pitched with both hands in the same game?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Both were on the Padres at one time
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Maddux's brother is the Brewers pitching coach
not sure if that’s what you were thinking of, though.
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http://www.tngenweb.org/scott/images/history/another_great_train_wreck2.jpg
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
wow, Mads
it says if I get a magnifying glass, I can see the No. 24 on it.
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Only if they put the serial number
on the teeny condom’s tip.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
they put serial numbers on those things?
Wow.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Report, already! You're a pitcher! You're catcher! That's what you do!
Here’s to gettin’ all the kinks worked out in Spring Training..
Go Reds! ,,Go 2010 Reds! …500 or better!
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
I would have staked my life that this was a Madville post
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
You really should seek some help.
Your life has so much more value than to ascribe it to anything having to do with Madville.
’Nukkah, you are loved.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ah Brendan you make me blush..
To be compared to FVA,…just to have my name in the same sentence (theoretically)…. brings meaning and comfort to an old RR’s heart…
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
It's not as funny when you have to explain it.
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what if I told you it's not a glove for a right-handed pitcher?
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It made sense to me
Then again, I had my own issues as a player.
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hey
That guy’s wearing a retired number.
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It is a very old cartoon
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Yonder talk
Is anyone very high or low on this kid? I know i’ve gotten mileage out of the whole Justin Smoak thing…but is Alonso going to contribute to the Reds this season, or not?
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"It'd be a lot cooler if you did."
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's entirely possible
he’s simply a hedge against Votto for the immediate future. As crass as it seems, I’m sure they want to make sure he can hold up physically and avoid any recurrence of anxiety this year. It’s easy enough to bump an OF over to 1B, but Alonso might very well be the best bat in the system for the job of replacing Votto’s production. They definitely shouldn’t be running Ramon out there.
Beyond that, I hope he gets a chance to play this year that doesn’t involve Votto going down — September at the latest. But he needs a place to play. I still think they should find away to fit both Votto and Alonso into their plans — because I don’t see a more productive 1B-LF duo in the sytem.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 17, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very high on him, but I'm not sure he gets a chance to play for the Reds this season
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Yes.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
by Madville on Feb 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Or Yonder see time at 3B or LF
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Did I miss something?
About 58 percent of the country said Adam Dunn was a butcher in left field and therefore needed to … go.
E5 was the worst third baseman in history, right after Nick Esasky.
So we are looking for a glove that fits Yonder.
Why’d we sign this kid? Anyone? Bueller?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Just thinking about him
makes me dizzy.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that's why I like Gordon
He’s always pissy and he’s super fast, just like me.
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We didn't sign anyone.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
outfielders now, from what I gather
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
There's a new Red Reporter Road Trip!
We’re following the reds on a trip to Houston this season! We have to see Minute Maid Park’s Train!
by 'tHan on Feb 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
wow
2 trains and a bus to get to Minute Maid! $192 well spent.
51 Cardinal
Departs: 1:10 AM
Thu Feb 18 2010
Cincinnati, OH (CIN)
Arrives: 10:35 AM
Thu Feb 18 2010
Chicago, IL – Union Station (CHI)
Station News
Duration: 10 hr, 25 min
Amenities
1 Reserved Coach Seat
Other Options Sold Out
421 Texas Eagle
Departs: 1:45 PM
Thu Feb 18 2010
Chicago, IL – Union Station (CHI)
Station News Arrives: 8:28 AM
Fri Feb 19 2010
Longview, TX (LVW)
Duration: 18 hr, 43 min
Amenities
1 Reserved Coach Seat
1 Lower Level Coach Seat
6021 Bus
Departs: 8:40 AM
Fri Feb 19 2010
Longview, TX (LVW)
Arrives: 1:15 PM
Fri Feb 19 2010
Houston, TX (HOS)
Duration: 4 hr, 35 min
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by obc2 on Feb 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
would this be better than the curling, listed below?
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Much more economical than flying
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
who wants dibs on the seat next to jch?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
i just booked a megabus trip to Chicago in april!!!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
sarcasam i assume
because i am guessing that is one way.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
trains can't just turn around and come back, silly.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
You assumed correctly
You see, it’s funny because $192 and 18 hours isn’t economical at all.
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
So does that mean it's not?
I’m so confused
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by nycredsfan on Feb 17, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
uh....
its 18 hours from chicago to texas, its 10 from cincy to chicago…..then another 4 hour bus ride to arrive in houston.
32 hour rawk!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Ah, yeah
Yeah that makes it much better
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 17, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky for us nonsmokers, eh?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
apparently people smoke at extended station stops, or at least they used to
with all the smoking bans, I don’t know if people can still do that in a state with a smoking ban.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
well there ain't gonna be no kissin on the smokin train ...
… and there ain’t gonna be no smokin on the ……………….
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
in all honesty if RR wants to make a go at this
i would be down.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
let's go!
Paul Janish lives by the ballpark. Let’s ask his mom if we can stay with them.
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CURLING ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CNBC 5pm today, USA vs Switzerland.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I've been watching the USA women all day...
they are losing, but one of the German players is hot
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I'm now following Nicole Joraanstad on twitter.
Hurrah for USA curling tweeters.
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How's the blood drive going?
I found the place jch, tHan, BK and i will donate blood. pint for a pint
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Only if it's by bus or rail
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
will it go past the airport?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I just wish they'd put airports
in downtown areas where we could get to them. But I see your point on the travel.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
yeah
i mean i bet everybody in Carew tower would love to be right next to the flight path when a 767 lands.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
pilots just need to be quicker to the ball
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
downtown areas rarely have traffic jams
great place for an airport
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Airport downtown.
Sounds like a Waits song.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Put a highball in the crank case.
Nail a crow to the door
Get a bottle for the jockey
Gimme a 294
There’s a 750 Norton bustin’ down January’s door
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, the Polo Grounds
where men are men and sheep are runnin’ scared.
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by johnu1 on Feb 17, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
say it looks to me
if I study this thing, there’s a lot of space between the two runways that could be better utilized. Maybe a condo complex or a warehouse … just making better use of the available geography.
We need to be smarter in the future when we plan these things.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
No, that's where they're putting the new power plant.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like it!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Been away for a few days
Every spare moment spent digging out from 5 ft of snow. Curious as to the new avatar from BK. Lose a bet?
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Just going with the Railroad Reporter theme
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by BK on Feb 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I woulda went with James
Shiny Time Station was my favorite show growing up.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fond of Diesel
he’s such an asshole.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 18, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't remember diesel
maybe he was after my time.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 18, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Volquez's Velocity
I was just looking at Volquez’s fan graph page,and his arm injury mast have happened pretty quickly. He had no drop in velocity, and his control problems could have been related to his back issues.
Stewart wore a single-digit jersey?
Man, I love pitchers with single digits. Makes me miss ZStew even more. At least we have Leake:
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Overheard at Fantasy Camp
Ted Power said the Reds are going to really regret giving up Zach Stewart in the trade. I don’t think Power was drunk at the time either.
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Well in 2012
Volquez
Bailey
Cueto
Chapman
Leake
Will be leading this team to the promise land. I am really excited to be a Reds fan right now, the future is so bright I have to wear sun glasses. Hopefully the Reds put together an 82-80 season so Slyde will be there with us to drink the champagne.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm touched, not by your sentiments, but because you spelled every word correctly
even ‘champagne’
/they grow up so fast
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I was lurking at Federal Baseball
Wang is a big deal in D.C. and all I could think is that was Cincinnati 5 years ago. Happy to sign a pitcher who used to be an ace, but is recovering from shoulder surgery.
It is nice that the organization has past the point of trying to catch lightning in a bottle and hope that all the stars align and the retreads all work out so we can compete. This team has genuine home grown talent and more on the way. A strategic trade and free agent signing can push us over the top in the next few years.
Volquez, Bailey, Cueto, Chapman, and Leake. The future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
and, he's back
/some things never change
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
At least Wang is a groundball pitcher
Whereas Milton historically gave up a lot of homers.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
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