Farmer's Only: 10 Burning Questions for 2010, pt. 1
by nycredsfan on Feb 15, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Despite the horrible weather, spring training is almost upon us, and we'd like to share our top 10 issues facing the Reds farm system this season. The organization is perhaps in its best shape in years, and there are going to be a number of really interesting story lines to follow. After the jump, the first 5 questions we'll look for answers to in 2010.
1 Where will Aroldis Chapman begin his American professional career? Will the team take an aggressive or conservative approach with him?
The team's major offseason signing, and the Red Reporter #1 prospect, will be the most compelling story of spring training, and possibly the entire minor league season. The nature of his contract virtually guarantees that he won't make the team out of spring training, so where will he start? I've heard suggestions ranging from Dayton to Louisville. Regardless of where he starts, how aggressively will he be promoted? Obviously a lot of that will depend on his performance, but with the money invested in him how patient will Uncle Walt be?
2 Will the team find a place for Yonder Alonso? Where?
It is perhaps the biggest conundrum of the Reds organization: What to do with arguably the organization's top prospect, when he is blocked by arguably the Reds best player? Alonso is likely to start the year in AAA, and with a good showing he will force the Reds to answer this question very soon. Either one gets traded or moved off of first base, but who?
3 Will Todd Frazier find a permanent position? If so, where?
The organization touts Frazier's lack of a definite position as a positive, promoting it as a sign of his versatility. The problem is that he is blocked at 3B by Scott Rolen and at 2B by Brandon Phillips. It is somewhat questionable whether he has enough power for LF, not to mention the 43 other young players in line for that spot on the field. So where will he end up? Injuries or trades can change a lot, but his performance in 2010 will be the biggest factor in answering this question.
4 Will Juan Francisco learn enough plate discipline avoid being the next Wily Mo Pena?
No one has ever doubted El Nino Destructor's prodigious power, and he has hit for a pretty high average everywhere he's been. He was the MVP of the Dominican Winter League, and can play 3B or LF. Sounds like a great prospect, no? Only if he learns to take a pitch now and again: His career BB/K ratio is terrible, so much so that major league pitchers will likely be able to exploit him. He showed signs of improvement last year, and if he could just strikeout once fewer a week or walk once more, he could be a dominant hitter. He won't be 23 until June, so he's still got time to figure things out, but if it doesn't happen in this, his 5th professional season, it likely never will.
5 How much impact will rookies have on the 2010 campaign? Who will contribute, and when?
The Reds system may not have the high upside players that other systems have, but it does have a number of players that could contribute very soon. 7 of the team's top 10 prospects could start the year in AAA, and another (Maloney) could start in Cincinnati. With that much near ready talent, who will make an impact on the big club this season?
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What's with the big, bold questions?
You’ve made them readable.
This is a dumb question, but who is that last guy?
(Also, it’s 80 degrees today.)
it's my favorite Reds prospect
Chris Heisey.
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oh
you know, i don’t think i’ve ever seen a picture of him. or at least i haven’t paid attention to them. i suppose the USA jersey should have given it away.
Poodle and I
decided his tigrmetrics were better than Stubbs’.
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you mean
All white guys don’t look alike?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I ddin't know who the other goofy looking white guy was
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 15, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
You mean the one right above the question about Todd Frazier?
I have no idea.
by Brian B on Feb 15, 2010 8:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, that's Jay Bruce.
According to the Enquirer, they’re the same person.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
where is it 80 degrees?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Beirut, Lebanon
I assume.
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went to the beach yesterday
they don’t have beaches in arizona. (stupid sarasota.) what IS there to do in arizona if you don’t like golf?
Sunburn?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
oddly enough, no
just really tan. it’s not like when i went to spring training in sarasota and my face blew up and my eyes swelled shut because of sunburn. (that wasn’t fun.)
I want to go to Sedona
and photograph the rock formations.
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Here's one.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
go in the spring...it gets cold and snowy in the winter
however I like the bleaker look too
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Could totally see Madville sporting it.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see you bring back photos from there.
That’d be yum.
What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they do have this big hole in the ground in Arizona.
It’s nice to look at and walk around. It’s like 4 hours from Goodyear, though.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that seems like a pretty rough sacrifice for one of the greatest natural wonders in the world
I’d be willing to give up seeing Josh Anderson bat against a Royals pitcher with an unnumbered jersey.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
well, i've already been there
and wouldn’t drive 8 hours during one week of vacation to see it again. besides, it’s not just something you go for a day to see and go home, unless you’re one of those checklist travelers.
i imagine flagstaff has some good skiing in early spring training. so if you want to not see any games, you could drive to the grand canyon and spend time in flagstaff.
Fair point.
I’m just defending Arizona in its entirety. For what it’s worth, there are other regional and national parks/forests much closer to Phoenix. It’s beautiful country out there.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely.
I found plenty of beautiful views just driving between Tucson and Phoenix.
Like, say, this one:
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There's no train between Phoenix and Tucson
but more annoyingly, the conference was in a resort hotel up in the mountains above Tucson. Beautiful place, but a pain to reach. Given that it was also more than $100 cheaper to fly into Phoenix, I just flew there and rented a car for $20/day.
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no train between phoenix and tucson?
sounds like a Republican state. dammit.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
or a state that was developed post WWII
when Rails were on the way out.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
we don't need no stinkin' railroad.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
you get to south bend and take the south shore
it stops twice in Gary.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
How do I get from indy to South bend
Indy to Gary = 2.5 hours by car
Indy to South bend = 3 hours by car. Catch train to gary (1.5 hours) and find way from train station to office (1 hour).
I think I will just drive and continue to wish and dream of high speed rail. When the Chinese actually take over, I bet they build the trains
Actually, you could go to Chicago
and take the South Shore back out to Gary. Unfortunately, though, there’s only one daily trip each direction direct between Indy and Chicago. And yeah, that’s Indiana’s fault.
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why would anyone want to go to Gary?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
The South Shore
is pretty much the only interurban railroad left in the US. Not a bad train, but unfortunately we dumped all the others.
Then again, many were built in the heady 1920s with no real business plan, and pretty much all of them went under soon after the start of the Great Depression.
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im glad we're back on train talk!
i have a railroad one mile from my house. the sounds of the freight trains comfort me on dark and stormy nights.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I've got two tracks 200 yards from my window
One for Metro trains, one for freight and Amtrak. I’ve been finally developed the ability to sleep through their daily 6:00 AM horn blast.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you should try to sleep through jch's failhorn
not good times.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
in SE DC with the burmese dog?
If so, I have a very, very, strong inkling of about where you live. No creepy, no creepy.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
No, that's my normal house
Currently, I’m pretty close to a Metro, but it’s underground. By Potomac Ave.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
oh.
I’ll have to hope singing telegrams take cancellations, then.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I had a string of apartments near train tracks
The worst was when I lived near downtown Raleigh, near a junction of all of the lines. One of them had a reasonably sharp turn with multiple crossings. Every night around 3 or 4 AM, a train crept very slowly around that track, squealing the whole way…and blowing the damn horn.
Of course, they’re required to blow the horn at every crossing, because of idiots like the guy from Ohio in the other thread who stayed in his car as a train very slowly hit him.
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my ex had an apartment next to the train tracks in Ada
also next to the crossing. Everynight at 3AM a train blew its horn, we eventually reached the point where we didn’t even notice it, and slept through it. But the first few times it scared the shit out of me.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
train horns are being discussed
we have a lot of them here in Valparaiso and some engineers are more sensitive than others, especially at night in the summer.
But there are still plenty of idiots out there who don’t think the crossing gate applies to them.
Horns don’t help them much.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
when i took the train from Shanghai to Beijing
i didn’t hear one horn the entire 12 hours i was on the train, and i was up by the engine.
I was in the back of the train when i went from Amsterdam to Berlin, but I still didn’t hear a horn, even when i ventured up front.
Is that more of an American thing?
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I can't say
My experiences were with Russian overnighters and commuter trains. They have horns but I don’t think they have as many intersections.
Russian overnighters are most interesting. Go first class and miss all the fun. I mean ALL the fun.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
so i am cuba guy
and you are Russia guy. Perhaps we can form a partnership, I could really use some aid.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I take South Shore
almost every time to Chicago and it’s a fair link to the Metra around the burbs. Off those stops a few blocks, and you still need transportation.
But for 12 bucks, I can go to Jackson Street (Mich. Ave.) and back almost all day and night. It does make enough stops to be useful.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
what about the boston transit system
that connects Providence and Boston.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Commuter rail.
There are a fair number of commuter lines, but none like the South Shore line that makes local stops in multiple municipalities, with pretty long distances in between.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
SShore is pretty cool
From downtown on out to South Bend, you can meet a lot of interesting people.
One Sunday night, I rode it out and fell asleep. Woke up in Mich. City and had to wait about 4 hours for the next westbound.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Don't know if you count NJ as urban,
but NJ Transit sounds like the South Shore line in making stops at several local towns with longish (10 miles or so) distances in between. Using NJ Transit and Philly’s system, you can get from NY to Philly on local commuter rail with one transfer. It seems to stop about a million times and takes about 80 minutes longer than Amtrak.
I should have emphasized
that the other defining characteristic of an interurban is that it goes down city streets like a light rail vehicle. Basically, it’s what you’d get if you took a streetcar (or today’s non-separated light rail) and just kept driving it on rails out of town, until you got to another town, and so on.
NJ Transit mostly concentrates on getting people to and from work, though it’s less focused on that than other commuter lines.
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i read that as inner turban
guess it goes with public transport
by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you can sell those crappy cars
surely you can sell that, right?
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by Gray on Feb 16, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh.
I should pay more attention.
Am I at least right that you work at a car dealership?
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go to Gary
… why, to see my favorite minor league team … the Gary SouthShore RailCats!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
trouble with driving is
by the time you drive to Chicago, you go basically through the south side of Gary.
3 hours to Indy on I 65 provided it didn’t snow and drift the damned thing shut. I hate that highway.
There is Amtrak but I don’t know much about where it stops. It does go through Dyer.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
the trouble with driving ti Chicago
is the extraordinary cost of parking.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
parking
probably is less expensive if it allows you freedom of movement but you can park in the Metra lots pretty cheap and take the train into the city for a few dollars.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
my experiance with visting chicago before i became a student here
i want to park my car and forget about it until I leave.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but not
“Crossing Gates of America.”
You are on your own there.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
there are cities in Indiana that need railroads to connect them
the all important Gary to Indianapolis route!
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well maybe
Not many people in Stark County have any reason to go to Gary. I got summarily dismissed as irrelevant when I brought up the acreage thing the other day, but if you want a commuter rail to Indy from Chicago, you have to find a place to put it.
That’s across Indiana’s farmland.
So the folks who don’t think acreage is as important for rails as for airports, ask somebody how much land it uses.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Less than a road.
Of course, we have no problem building roads through prime real estate…
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Well, I do have a problem with that
and it’s on the discussion board in the Indiana Gen. Assembly. The land it would use amounts to acreage that is really hard to fathom … all across 4 or 5 counties, four lanes, plus easement and center berm … incredible.
this is farmland that gets condemned by developers who manage to persuade county planners that it’s “marginal” in value.
The ongoing rape of our rural land.
I will stop on this. The soapbox is wobbling.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
It sounds like you're talking about something very specific
but since you don’t say what it is, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Is this an actual plan for building something that’s on the table?
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didn't say specifics
The details are pretty vague to me but I can look it up. Call it the Illiana Expressway designed to take a load off the Borman (80/94) and it’s aimed at southern Lake County, near Lowell, westward into Illinois (duh) …
It is not unlike the ongoing consultants’ dream — the Peotone airport — that crops up every 2 years so that we can “study” it for another 2.3M dollars.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
just an addon
The high-speed rail setup that seems more interesting than real, is partly connected east and west to Indiana (along the Lake Mich. corridor) but the suggestion that train travel south toward Indy could be considered … the politics of that woul doom it before it got out of the coffee shop.
The infrastructure would be massive in geography. Any rail that is in place would not serve it well.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Well again, I don't think that you're talking about
taking much farmland out of use. The ROW needed for even double-tracked rail all the way to Indy would be a fraction of that needed for a highway, let alone an interstate.
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It didn't stop railroads the first time
or Interstates the second time. The fact that it’s necessary to prevent climate change, reduce foreign oil consumption, and would create a zillion jobs is, John is right, almost impossible due to the “politics” and it’s why my grand-children will inherit a thrid world country, unless they live in NYC, Washington, or some fashionable urban center.*
*Now, that soap box is wobbly!
The Peotone Airport will be a waste of money
Gary already has an airport, and the South Shore line. Modernize the terminals so they can handle a fair amount of traffic and Gary will be ready to go.
Also does Chicago really need a 3rd airport?
O’Hare handles all the legacies, and all but one of the foreign carries that flies to Chicago.
Midway is a Southwest Hub, and handles all of the Low Cost Carriers that fly to Chicago. The only legacy that flies to Midway is Delta, Continental used to fly to Midway but left, and a long time ago Midway served American and United, but they left because of their hubs in O’Hare.
Plus Milwaukee is only 90 miles away, and apparently after they upgrade the Amtrak line between Chicago and Milwaukee the time it takes to get from the loop to Milwaukee on Amtrak will be similar to the time it takes to get form the loop to O’Hare on the L.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Justin, you preach to the choir
This isn’t about building an airport,it’s about consultants drawing up a plan, convincing state legislatures that we need to “study it” and the consultants getting 3 million bucks for the neeato graphics enhanced report that gets tabled right after they get paid.
We do this every 3 years.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
yeah
Mayor Richard J Daley first proposed the South Suburban Airport.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
in the old days
It was the farmers who clamored for railroads and highways. Because it was a way for them to get their crops to market.
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this is an interesting dilemma
the tail wags the dog a little. We, as consumers, want fresh products. So, akin to that, retailers like WalMart, Target, etc … want to make sure they have up-to-snuff stuff in their stores.
That means they don’t want to warehouse 40,000,000 TVs sets that will be obsolete next year because the American 12-year-old doesn’t want it.
So we warehouse on the highway. More trucks than ever. If you ever see them backed up for 15 miles one way, you realize how many.
I don’t know what the trains haul.
The thrust is that we need more highways, more lanes, more exit ramps, more more more … it’s eating us alive. The bigger the better, then they get more traffic, the need goes on.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
We subsidize trucking in this country
because truckers definitely don’t pay their way in terms of damage to roads, congestion, and pollution. By contrast, we don’t subsidize freight railroads at all, but they’re far more efficient for the vast majority of trips. They just don’t have the capacity that we’ve built for trucking, pretty much as a gift to the truckers.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Rail could be more efficient
Truckers have learned to work the system in the U.S. … 80,000 is the limit … well, some of them are under that, some right at it … our roads are a disaster every winter. We just blame the “freeze and thaw.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Yeah, regardless of the limit...
trucks do a lot more damage to the roads than cars (which is not to say that cars don’t have plenty of externalities; they do). And we build tons of new roads for them, and somehow the rails still compete for a lot of freight.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I can't evaluate rails much
I see a lot of piggyback boxes that I know are going overseas. What’s in them, if anything … but I can tell when a truck is empty.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I think
higher fuel prices are going to put a brake on that “rolling warehouse” thing. Rail is far more fuel-efficient, and boomed during that last price spike.
Even Wal-Mart, the company built on cheap energy, is re-thinking their organization.
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fuel prices
well, we had our chance when the stuff hit 4 bucks … now it’s stabllized at 2.70 (for the time being) but we just need to be less demanding as a society. Not likely, since spending of the consumer dollar is what drives us.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
either
The price will go up again, or our economy will never recover from this recession. Possibly both.
I think we will become less demanding. Not because we care about the environment or preserving farmland, but because we’ll be forced into it.
We’re 5% of the population, using 25% of the world’s oil production. I don’t think that will stand in the long run. Not with 1 billion Chinese who want to own cars.
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Which is also a strategic mistake on
China’s part. They never should have switched to a policy of encouraging driving—not with their urban density. It’s a total mess.
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It should, but
trucking is a pretty powerful lobby. Industries generally don’t respond well to losing their market edge, whether it’s due to good reasons or bad. With the last round of gas price spikes, there was a huge amount of whining from the truckers, since all of a sudden their costs were slightly closer to the true social costs.
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there was
But in the end, they couldn’t do anything about it. The savings was so great.
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Yeah, but
now the freight lines are operating pretty close to capacity in most places. They won’t be able to absorb much more traffic the next time there’s a spike. Unlike the highways, which were built by governments way before the demand was there—and were ready and able to take all that traffic when gas was cheap.
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I do know
trucking firms are having a helluva time finding decent drivers. And the ones they get maybe habla Ingles a poco, unless they are here from the Middle East and cant get jobs driving cabs.
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Of course they do
because they don’t pay very much to work in pretty crappy conditions. That makes it kind of hard to attract desirable workers.
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I would rather be a bombcatcher
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Keep in mind that the railroads
pay much better, largely because their workers are unionized. And yet they’re still much cheaper for transporting most long-haul freight.
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that was true during the price spike
I don’t think it is any more. The recession has been brutal on transportation. Trucking, shipping, air, rail, all of it.
On YouTube, there are videos of hundreds of empty train cars, just sitting there (like the planes parked by the Reds spring training complex). I saw one such site myself, in northern California. It was unreal. Just hundreds and hundreds of cars, sitting there by the side of the highway.
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I don't doubt
that somebody will come along and reinvent the wheel, as we are inclined to do in such matters. That may mean a smaller, slimmer, quicker truck … U.S. ingenuity has never gone out of business for very long.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
they already are
However, ye cannae change the laws of physics, as the old engineering saying goes. A truck is never going to be as fuel-efficient as train.
And ironically, one way to increase fuel efficiency is to make trucks larger. It saves fuel, but is much harder on the roads.
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In the outer parts of Australia
it’s apparently fairly common to string together multiple trailers behind a cab and call it a road train. I wouldn’t want to be driving anywhere near one of those…
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I think
they actually build separate, heavy-duty roads in some places to accommodate those beasts.
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Not in Autralia
but they’re apparently only allowed to go to remote places that need these weekly supply runs.
I was reading a guidebook that said that if you saw one coming, it would be a good idea to pull over until it passes. and whatever you do, don’t be anywhere near it when it’s turning.
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I think
they actually build separate, heavy-duty roads in some places to accommodate those beasts.
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I would guess
It’s because the rest of the journey would be via regular highway.
In some cases, the trucks-only road is used during rush hour as a HOV lane.
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a number of the planes were parked when gas prices went up too
Airlines parked a lot of their planes that were not fuel efficient.
Of course after that planes have been parked with the general capacity reduction that has been a part of the industry for the last 2 years.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
roads
I think, are generally at the saturation point and finding new places to put them will eventually be the devil’s discussion. Our own major I 80-94 is about 10 lanes wide and it now takes about 6 plowers to clear it from snow.
It’s been 10 years in the process, still has another year to go … we just keep saying, we’d like to use it sometime before you have tear it up again …
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The problem with building more roads
is that they encourage sprawl and more car use, which just fills up the roads. We find our way back to an equilibrium level of congestion with remarkable regularity.
At some point we have to accept the obvious: that we can’t reduce traffic by building more roads.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
sure we can
we have an entire pork barrel political system that says we can keep pouring concrete, make people believe we are “creating” jobs by the same 5 road construction companies that get all the work projects here.
The lie can live on forever.
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We can build transportation infrastructure
in ways that create jobs, but we don’t do that by building more lanes of interstate highways. At some point the transportation engineers will have to accept this, too.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I agree
but I see my congressman bringing back another 45 million dollars for “job creation” by rebuilding a bridge here, a culvert system there. Same five companies get all the work. Same ones. I just wish they’d finish something. They won’t.
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In Montreal
all of those projects are basically controlled by the Mob, which is why they cost several times what they should cost. This open secret finally came out in the last big election, and now people are trying to figure out what could possibly be done about it.
My guess is that nothing major will change.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'd hazard
That the Teamsters are in it up to their ankles in wet concrete. No matter. The price of building these roads has reached a point where we can essentially decide that we have no real value.
1.9 trillion is how much in animal crackers?
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I maintain
that it’s pretty amazing, but basically all of the economic output of the past 50 years has been poured into building bigger houses farther apart from each other, enabled by the construction of an enormous interstate highway system. And now we wonder why our cities (and small towns and rural areas, for that matter) look the way they do.
Surely we could have found a better way to spend that money.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
the interstate system
Is generally the brainchild of Eisenhower, who observed after he came back from Europe, that it would be impossible to get a military convoy through one of America’s towns.
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Right, which is pretty much
the least useful observation he could have made.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
that's what
James Howard Kunstler says. He calls it “the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the world.”
I’m inclined to agree. All the things we could have done with those resources…and we built suburbia with them.
I wonder if some Easter Islanders wondered why they used all their resources to build giant stone heads.
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something to be said
for the romantic notion of the little town as we knew it in the 1940s. I have a novel about that time (no, I didn’t sell it — yet) and I tried to remember what life was like when there were maybe 3 telephones in town.
One doctor.
A guy who drove the road grader when it snowed … sometimes sober.
Not all bad, not all we remember. Just was what it was. I am generally old enough to remember the 50s. My town was like that.
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I'm not a huge small town fan
but for me the problem is that what we built out of small towns and big cities is homogeneous suburbia, which is neither big city nor small town nor rural countryside. We thought we could combine the best aspects of each, but we ended up with something muddled enough that it’s closer to the worst aspects of all of those.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I should clarify:
I do really love some small towns, but I’m not one who would want to live in one. I can see why some would love to live there, though.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Valparaiso
is about 20,000 … big enough for a professional fire department, small enough that people stop and let you cross in front of them. But we are on a 4-lane highway to somewhere else, so there, you have it.
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i lived in Ada
and loved every minute of it. I could walk to the bar, to food, even a local grocery store.
But I also love living in Chicago. I could really live in either a small town or big city and be happy.
I don’t like suburbia at all.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
cities
are just a bit too hectic to suit me.
I could spend hours, days in Chicago if I didn’t have to go there first.
A summer day on Michigan Ave. and I am in girl watchers paradise! I don’t do the bars so that’s not an issue.
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you meet some strange reasons
why people move into small towns, and generally it’s for the reasons you’d expect but … they all don’t want the Wal-Mart but they by-god want all the services they had before they moved out there.
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Yeah, which is why
we end up turning those lovely small towns into the same suburban crap we can find anywhere.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
well the Yuppies
go out there and condemn the locals for being “prejudiced” or “old fashioned” then they get on the town councils and pass ordinances that allow for one or two cell phone towers and while we’re at it, let’s tear down that old school and build one that’s chummy up to date with high-tech … blah blah blah …
and the old folks just scoot off to one side and wait to die.
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started out, a guy wanted to get to Gary by train
ended up, we might have missed the place. Took the wrong truck.
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I need to pack it in
Most intriguing chat.
Later.
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go to Ada, OH
still has a small local feel. The nearest Wal-Mart is 20 miles away. Just a small local grocery store. A hardware store, that seems more like a general store.
It does have a McDonalds now. But that isnt’ even that terrible, it is the only place in town open 24/7 and the dining room is 24/7, so it gives studetns some place to go at night. It actually fills a need in the town.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
hard to argue
with the installation of the Great Wall of China, which came in “under budget” but not necessarily on time.
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Kunstler's a little bit of a kook, don't think Bubba
I mean, I love my doom and gloom like the next guy or gal, but he’s out there
Except for his blatant sexism.
He makes justin look like Kathleen Hanna.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Feb 16, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oohhh Kathleen Hanna!
she’s hawt!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don't look to him for commentary
on anything outside of his narrow range of usefulness. That’s true of most critics, though.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Except George Will
who will expludificate intramodentially on the repulsifications of being an enthusiast of Chicago Chicken Pluckers baseball.
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I'm mostly referring to his novel:
World Made by Hand, where the collapse of industrialized society has relegated the only women the book as subservient to the main character (clearly an author avatar) desperate to offer him food and sex in exchange for protection.
So at what point can I separate his predictions of the future when he is clearly eliminating the role of women from organizational structures and the dreams, ideas, and plans of women from our power to rescue ourselves from the predicament we’ve created?
IAN! I'm on traain!
This turns literary, a little
Most futurist authors (gloom and doom mostly) take a skewered view of one major component of society and warp it out of shape. Otherwise, the shock value doesn’t work.
Hell, I wrote a novel about the Nazis having not lost the war and, well, there needs to be somebody who is victimized. The plot can’t work otherwise.
All of us realize, in fact, that the future of the planet is scarcely connected to a brutalization of one component of society but will largely be inclined be more inclusive.
And in Burma, not much will change. We won’t care then either.
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alternate history
My Nazi novel was about a young woman who was trapped in that world and never really had a problem with it until the bureaucracy let her down.
The problem with a Nazi-based novel is projecting their point of view as not unnecessarily wrong. This was less about fighting the system than it was about enduring despite it. It was a pretty brutal story after I did the research.
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oops
Posted my comment before I saw this.
A lot of men seem to have end of the world fantasies, where beautiful young women are eager to put out to any man smart enough to have hoarded toilet paper.
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My books are about men with flaws
guys like Loquacious Johnson, Julio Julio and Jesus Jones.
Seriously, I’ve written a couple of books, one kind of sci-fi-ish the other a forensic mystery ordeal. I’m no Slyde.
I never could wrap my head around the whole alternate history thing…
World Made By Hand sounds vaguely like a gay porn movie.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
World Made By Hand
would require someone else’s … er, um … input to make it truly gay porn. (I cannot believe I just entered that into the archives of Internet history.)
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agree there
“World Made By Hand” was like an old western. Where men are men, and women cook and provide sex.
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way off the mark maybe
There is a curious aspect to the “female submissive” principle that seems to have an appeal somewhere in the consumer market.
Now, I don’t dare equate that novel with S-M-B-D, but my e-books publisher tells me it’s women who buy it.
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I don't buy it
I’ve no doubt some women do, but my guess is most readers of Norman the Gor-Man are men.
Back in the ‘70s, literal bodice-rippers were popular for women. Where the hero just about raped the heroine. I think it was a mix of the sexual revolution and ’50s sensibilities. Good girls could only have sex if it was forced on them. But you don’t see much of that any more.
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Yes...those were the days
Bodice ripping was a fav pastime of mine…but now the young ladies are sexting their wares to every guy in the 10th grade.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
by Madville on Feb 16, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
buy it you want
My ebooks publisher keeps track and has no reason to manufacture a lie.
Men don’t read this stuff. They might talk about it or surf for it, but they don’t read it. It’s female fantasy, so believe it or don’t. The data the publisher used were pretty far-reaching.
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John, re-building and reparing is
not the same as pouring new. The infrastructure in this country is terrible. Go read James Fallows piece in the Atlantic for the relative differences between a country of poor people like China and the US when it comes to infrastructure
poor people of China
I don’t think the nature of their poverty is at question. The government just does what it feels like doing over there (unlike ours, he laughed) … but there is a singular bidding process in China called communist management.
It is easier to repair and replace here because no new land needs to be bought — generally — discounting new interstate spurs that add to the sprawl.
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yep, lawyers
my favorite subject.
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I don't think so
State and local budgets are in terrible shape. And while the feds can print their own money, there are consequences to that. Our Chinese overlords don’t like it, for one thing.
There may be some “stimulus” spending, but it won’t be much. My guess is we’ll be spending most of our money on things like social security (boomers hitting retirement age, many of them choosing to retire or go on disability now because there’s no jobs).
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that about the retirement
is a completely different issue, not any less interesting. I’d like to explore that but not on this thread.
And surely not tonight.
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As an attorney, specializing in disability law
I must say, Bubba, tell them to call me. Daddy needs a new TV and some Reds tickets, and a college education for three kids, and….
anyway, have them call me so I can fight the injustice
some, Schneider was one
put governors on their trucks … 55 was the limit. They stuck to that pretty much around here and it was clearly noticeable. Some other truckers did the same.
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I read where Walmart used to ship all its East
Coast broccoli from California, but the $4 gas convinced them that was inefficient. They began contracting all over the East for farmers to plant broccoli.
Wouldn’t that be interesting? Farmers who grew things you could eat, rather than things companies use to make “food.”
/Michael Pollan’d
Or, light rail betweent he far flung, sparwled suburbs
which could be connected to Cincy, along the Ohio to Pittsburgh and then to Amtrak lines.
From Indy also north to Detroit and Chicago. Light rail, 200 mph. Don’t worry about parking, you’re an hour train ride from Cincy, 1.5 to Chicago, and 8 hours to DC.
It’s the way of modern societies, justin.
Where's the ballpark?
What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen it before
But I would like to hike to the bottom.
Not sure if it’s a good combo with spring training, though.
Sedona is only a couple of hours away from Goodyear, and so a more likely daytrip.
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Even better..
I think you can just teleport in and out.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Blog, baby. Blog.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
trade fodder
Anyone else think Frazier’s place might be at 2B? BP is starting to get expensive.
Also, trade Yonder…
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It starred a young Heath Ledger, as well as a young Vera Fermiga
An Oscar winner and a potential Oscar winner, starring in Hercules: The Liffey-Derry Journies. Good, underrated stuff.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Stupid Netflix
keeps trying to get me watch that piece of crap … It sure as hell ain’t no Spartacus: Blood and Sand.
Back me up on this ASH!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Been telling my friends (yes I have some) for months that assuming he does well this year, Todd Frazier is the Reds starting 2B on Opening Day in 2011. Phillips is due to make $12 million in 2011. They don’t want to pay that extra cash. The Reds are going to need it to sign Brandon Webb for the rotation.
I think if the Reds are out of it at the ASB, then Phillips is gone. Stay in contention and Phillips stays.
I agree with trading Alonso (like the Brewers did with LaPorta). The big question is what upgrade to you go for in an Alonso deal.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 15, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Heck, if the Reds are in contention
I could see them trading for Webb this year if he’s pitching well, then immediately signing him to a contract extension.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 15, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Why do fans here act like this is their money
This is a team with two large contracts after this season and it allegedly wishes to compete next year. Why would such a team trade the cornerstone of its defensive infield, which we note the team radically improved in the last year, in favor of Frazier, who doesn’t hit as well or play defense as well.
The penny pinching at the top is a direct result of the fans accepting it. Stop allowing them to be needlessly cheap and they may have to win.
PS This is not to say Todd Frazier is a poor player. He may be awesome; he may not be. But, the idea you ship Brandon out of town is insane.
Yeah, Rolen, I’m looking at you. Scott will get hurt some time this year (and next) and the Reds will be able put at 3rd for long periods this year and next. Let’s hope it works out
"The penny pinching at the top is a direct result of the fans accepting it. Stop allowing them to be needlessly cheap and they may have to win."
This is becoming a popular mantra among a few people around the site this off-season, and I think it’s baloney. Just because it is not our money does not mean that it is not real money. Teams still have budgets and are out to make a profit, just like any other business. Acting like that is not the case is stupid. Yes we can demand that our team build a winner, but spending money and building a winner are not the same thing.
Otherwise, I agree with the rest of what you said. I don’t see any financial reason to trade BP. The only reason to trade him would be because there is a better, or at least reasonable comp, option to replace him and he can bring in a piece or two that is needed to help the team. Otherwise, the team will only have 3 “large” contracts when the season is done if they don’t pick up Harang or Arroyo’s options, though I expect at least one of them will be picked up.
And I don’t think Frazier will be playing 2B this season. Cozart will be at SS, which moves Valaika to 2B.
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So then what of Frazier?
Whether or not his bat will play in LF is a legit concern. And being blocked by Brandon and Rolen doesn’t help. Is he the trade chip?
How would people feel if at midseason, the Reds are in 1st or 2nd, and they decide to go for it and they trade Todd Frazier to the Diamondbacks for Brandon Webb?
Also, I agree with Bob Howsam (or was it Rickey). Trade a player a year too early than a year too late. Brandon Phillips will NOT age well.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 15, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
And that Frazier-Webb deal could happen
Kelly Johnson is the D’Backs 2B on a one-year deal, and they’ve got nothing of note behind him. Webb would be extremely receptive to signing here long-term as he’s from NKY, and grew up a Reds fans, And I read recently that he wants to pitch close to home.
And Webb helps replace Harang/Arroyo.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 15, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well, there's a few problems here
1) if Webb is pitching like he can, it’ll take more than Frazier to get him.
2) There are serious questions about whether Frazier can play 2B, as he’s had very little experience there, and with mixed results.
3) Like Slyde said, I doubt Frazier gets much time at 2B this season, so even if the Reds see him there, I doubt many other teams would.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I can't remember where I read it now
But some coach or scout who played with Jeff Kent said that Frazier was ahead of him defensively at the same point in his career.
I think the main reason Frazier won’t play much 2B this year is because the Reds love his bat, and know his best chance to help the major-league team this year is in LF.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 15, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
And how much would it take to get Webb
He’ll be a free-agent, and the Diamondbacks pretty much know he’s not going to re-sign with them. Frazier plus maybe 1 or 2 low-level prospects should get it done.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 15, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
well, look at the Sabathia trade for comparison
That took four players, with LaPorta the centerpiece, and Frazier isn’t nearly as good of a prospect as LaPorta was then.
I also don’t think Webb is as good or valuable as Sabathia was then, but still, I think it takes at least Frazier and another B level prospect. Not saying I wouldn’t do it, of course, I just think that’s what it’ll take, especially since no one but the Reds see Frazier as a possible 2B.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
What about Hanley Ramierez
You won’t get Webb from the D-backs. a healthy Webb is 10 times more valuable than Frazier or BP
Phillips' aging is an interesting issue
2B as a whole don’t age well. Partially that’s injury risk due to the position. But I also think that 2B age poorly because they’re less athletic than SS, even though the position requires a lot of the same skills.
I think Phillips could age well because he’s a terrific athlete, esp. for a 2B. Plus, he’s done a good job staying free from injuries (avoiding take out slides, etc.). It will be interesting to see. I wouldn’t extend him past his current contract, but I’ll bet he remains a good player for its duration.
aging doesn't work well
… period.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
when you get old like me
things that used to be funny, aren’t.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
no
good lord hasn’t been funny for while, and i’m not old.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
his wrong?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
verdict: still funny
not nearly in the jch/impregnated or brendan’s mom jokes category. not even close.
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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Finances or not
The considerations on why we should trade a guy, sign him or whatever, all seem to be made with the notion that some board-room economics comes into play. While I agree that we can’t buy things we can’t afford, the prevailing attitude has really gone from absurd to bizarre.
The objective is to win the World Series, not play institutional parlor games with players’ careers and contracts.
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No, the point is maximizing limited resources
I agree that sometimes people get a bit carried away on here about trades and prospect moves, myself included. (OTOH, what else is there to do in Jan/Feb?)
But a mid-market team can’t go buy 5 expensive free agents, and if Phillips production could be replaced, and his money allocated to something else, you’d have to consider it.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
one expensive player isn't going to break the bank
harang and arroyo’s contracts will be gone next year. the other player the reds should hang onto for the long haul, votto, has a few years before we have to worry about that.
all of that world series money we’re gonna have will really help out. :)
I'm not saying they should trade BP
I’m just saying the concept of trading a good player before he gets too expensive is not always dumb, and for a team like the Reds is often very smart.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
think about the Larkin trade Uncle Carl
put the kibosh on. Lark is a god to me (then and now), but trading him and avoiding paying the three years his resulting contract would have a good move fro the franchise.
so, we keep building for next year
wow, says me, the fan. We get to finish maybe third next year if we get lucky.
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Again, only trade him if you can replace him with similar production
I’m not sure the Reds can do that, but if they could, why pay a guy 11 mil when you can pay someone else 400k to do about the same?
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strangely
I think obc has gotten off too easy in this thread. He’s the one that suggested getting rid of BP, but it seems like everyone is going after the ’credsfan.
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obc is a damned moran
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm still annoyed at obc for saying it
NYC’s just preaching the gospel as it is. When you can replace old guy with cheap guys, you do it.
No, your point was
Brandon’s expensive and we should trade him because of it.
Although, it seems silly to tell you what YOUR point was. I took your point to be that.
Slyde for GM!!!
I’ll take a non-popular opinion and state that I was neither anti- Dan O’Brien or Wayne Krivsky. I think I was on record for both of those individuals (who did most of the heavy lifting repairing the minor league talent level) The current owner is on his 3rd GM in a very short time frame. I did not expect Rome to rebuilt in a day…especially when the ballclub replaces the GM every couple years.
Last season most folks here wanted Arroyo and Bailey gone. Remember?
Sure moving BP is an unpopular and, perhaps, nontraditional take. Just an opinion, folks.
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Yeah, and maybe it's crazy
(it most assuredly is), but I think it’s cool you know you can provide it and give me an hour’s diversion. Glad for it, actually.
it is amusing
when you think about it … we change GMs more often than we do left fielders.
Wait …
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one man's wish list
delete BP and Coco, use that money for a C and LF. Trade Alonso for anyone other than a LH hitting first baseman.
i’m not real hip on the long term solutions at SS or 3B, although most here love Janish and END. I dont get it.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
People here like Janish for his glove, and out of familiarity
I especially like rooting for guys that came up through our system. They feel like ours. They also liked him because he was cheap, and the other shortstop alternatives available didn’t seem to be any marked improvement.
That said, I don’t think anyone here would bat an eyelash over getting a good shortstop. And I don’t think that many people are all that chapped over having Cabrera instead of Janish.
Plus there are a ton of vocal proponents on this board for trading END as soon as possible.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i think Janish gets a free pass on RR
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
and Jay Bruce is due some criticism also
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I'll defer to Madville on this one
Jay Bruce is gonna have a monster season this year.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I hope John Wall blows out a knee
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Wrong:
Len Bias
/I know he played for Maryland
//realize I’m going to hell
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
he really blew it
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
by boobs on Feb 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
How long have we been calling SS a black hole and a major need to fill?
Quite awhile.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Most people did not want Bailey gone
Unless you count JohnnyPronto as “most people.”
Selling high on Arroyo isn’t a bad idea.
i remember differently
my recollection was an overwhelming majority of RR’ers would have moved Bailey this offseason. preferably for Jermaine Dye.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
"Overwhelming majority"?
Um…
Pics or it didn’t happen.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The only person that said they uneqivocally liked it was Madville
Most everyone hated it. A few tried to rationalize (like me). I said I hoped that Dye would be like Greg Vaughn. Wow.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i apparently wasnt around at the time
but i would have been all for that deal. i was way down on homer last offseason.
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
seem like
the general attitude last June was that Bailey was going to have a 4-20 lifetime record with an ERA around 8.00.
At the time, I don’t think anybody would have seen this as a deal that didn’t come with fingers crossed.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
If I recall correctly
I was all for getting rid of Homer, but didn’t want Dye.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of this came before
Volquez went down. I think there were some who believed our rotation was a bit richer than it was. I was on record (yeah, somewhere) as saying I believed we needed to hire a coach who could help Homer instead of unloading him.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Fucking slanderer!!!!
The only person that said they unequivocally liked it was NlYoung/Michael or whatever the fuck that control freaks name is.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Gee, I don't know --- because
for YEARS he was one of the premier writers in baseball. And becuase you like to hang on the few bad leads he got instead of the brilliant reporting he was doing before you even knew what the fuck a baseball was.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's the best beat writer this team has had in my lifetime, and it's not close
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 15, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
maybe when i read him he was past his prime
he seemed wrong, a lot.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
i see i wasn't the only one
so good work 14 months ago Crolfer.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Can I expect any similar mea culpas with regard to Rosales?
not now, but later?
by timb116 on Feb 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is my favorite post of yours in awhile
Fair’s fair, obc.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
In this poll,
Bailey for Dye was very unpopular. Some of that was lukewarmness for Dye. But as I recall it most here recognized that we’d be selling very low on Homer and that because he still had options he could do some more work in Louisville.
http://www.redreporter.com/2008/12/23/700946/pool-what-rh-power-bat-do
Personally
Most of my wanting to trade Bailey was that his attitude was bad enough that it seemed like he really didn’t want to pitch here. Then not long after that, he turned his image around with the media, and started kicking ass on the field.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
even if you were selling high
arroyo never had any trade value. all rumored deals had the reds paying a large portion of the salary
BP is one of the few players that might fetch a Decent young Starting Pitcher
I’d have no problem with the Reds trading him if it were to bring in a quality pitcher.
obc for GM
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
why would the Reds trade for a starting pitcher?!?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Because
I said so
And because the Reds are perilously thin at the SP position.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
are you senile?
they’re not thin in SP’s.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
What you obc?
You got your Cueto – Check
Bailey – Check
Bronson 3/4 check, if his arm don’t fall off
yout got your Adam Harang who to me is a question Mark for 2010
and then you got Lehr or wells.
So what happens if Bailey or cueto get injured?
Or if Bailey or Cueto don’t pitch flawlessly?
I mean with the overpowering offense that the Reds have as a certainty – mainly BP and Votto…with a little help from Gomes if he signs
This team is light on pitching.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Wells?
Owings starts before Wells. Hell, Mike Lincoln starts before Wells.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
You'd really like to think that, wouldn't you?
Kip Wells, 5th SP when the Reds break ST
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Owing = Wells = Lincoln
Take any of them and you have a barely acceptable #5…but not a pitcher who could move up to take the #2 or #3 slot,
With an injury and a no return from Harang:
Cueto
Arroyo
Lehr
Lincoln
Owings
with that group you’ll need to resurrect the BRM’s offense to get over .500
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
hey, dad
dont forget about Homer Bailey, m’kay?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
What if Homer is back in AAA by July?
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Bailey is out of options
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Arroyo
Bailey
Lehr
Lincoln
Owings
So Cueto gets an infected hangnail and is out for 6 weeks..
This is not a deep staff.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
here is the depth chart as i see it
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey
Maloney
Owings
Wood
Lehr
Wells
LeCure
There really isn’t much depth there, unless Leake and Chapman develop in a hurray. If more then two starters are out at a time this team is in for a world of hurt.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lehr and Wells are both above Wood
The way I see it, this entire group:
Maloney
Owings
Wood
Lehr
Wells
Are tied pretty closely together for contention for the 5th spot. Any of them could come out kicking ass in ST and win a job, I think.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Mark me down for the following:
Wells
Lehr
Owings
Maloney
Wood
I can’t remember who came up first last year once our pitchers started dropping like flies, Wells or Lehr. I have this feeling Owings is only thought of as an emergency starter, and Maloney was the last to come up last year, and Wood’s still a work in progress most likely a year away.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
For a whopping 3 starts, right?
2 of which he shit the bed.
Then went down for 12 AAA starts, and then up for a MLB start, then down for a AA start (wtf?!), then back for 3 more MLB starts as a September call up.
So, I apologize for forgetting Maloney’s 3 awesome starts in June, I only remembered him as a September call up.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
he is out
his first one was burned when he was demoted in 2007, his second when he opened 2008 in AAA, and the same for his third in 2009.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
third GM
I only count two.
Krivsky-1
Jocketty-2
I mean unless 2 is the new 3 I only count 2.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
DanO was the GM when he bought the team
boom, roasted!
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for like the first 24 hours
i mean DanO was hardly his GM.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all in favor of getting rid of BP
So, if people wanna go after nycredsfan, send ’em my way too
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
You bet your ass we can
And should have any time between offseason 2007 to preseason 2009.
Allocate our resources better.
GG 2B D is great and all, but let’s get better pitching, or better hitting at a hitting premium position.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
better hitting at second?
Miles? Counsell? I will check if Robinson Cano or Chase Utley is available…otherwise, we may have to pay a whole 7 million for a 30/30 2nd baseman this year. Sucks to be in this predicament
non-responsive, tangential
slightly dickish video post with a question: who reads lips and can tell what Mr. Tall and Deceptive is saying there.
Bonus quote: “gamer any way you cut it.”
the gamer comment made me bleed from my ears
Too bad Ernie Banks wasn’t a gamer…..you know, by Welch’s standards he wasn’t on a World Series winner…..
I don’t what he said, but it wasn’t: “well, shoot, my good stuff just got beat by a talented ballplayer”
2B is not a hitting premium position
BP is a defense first 2B. His bat is above average for his position.
However, package BP and some of our choads in the minors, or some other 25 man roster fodder, and I bet we could severely upgrade say LF, or maybe get a SS that doesn’t suck, or get a long-term 3B, or maybe even get an honest to god Ace, top of the rotation SP.
All I’m saying is that BP is expensive now, will continue to get more expensive, and isn’t adding more value to his increasingly inflating contract.
Do I like BP? Yes. Would I trade him to improve the team? You bet your ass.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
If it's a defensive position primarily
then why would someone part with something if he can’t play defense.
And, besides that, you’re on the record above here saying he should have been traded any time since 2007. Doesn’t sound like you were placing a premium on defense.
Lastly, since when is 7 million expensive for an MLBer?
I think we can get better offense out of our 2B than what BP provides
3B, SS and CF are the only 3 positions where I care about defense, and 3B is iffy. I do not place a premium on defense, I prefer guys who can rake.
Or, I’d rather us find someone who can give us the same offense as BP, and less D than BP, and upgrade our offense in LF, or our team @ 3B or SS.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Enough of this abstract talk about trading The Franchise
Let’s hear some names.
You don’t care about 2B defense? Maybe Alonso can start learning the keystone.
by ken on Feb 15, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'd trade Alonso also
wonder if the Rangers would move him even up for Justin Smoak
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
what good would that do?
and the answer is hell no
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'd see if the following are available, and offer BP as part of the deal
Youkilis
Hanley Ramirez
Ben Zobrist (I’d want more than just him from TB)
Pablo Sandoval (I’d want more than just him from SF)
Ryan Braun
Tulowitzki
Dunn
Justin Upton
Mark Reynolds
Longoria
Ryan Zimmerman
Jason Bartlett (Imagine getting both him and Zobrist from TB)
Jayson Werth
Ethier
Swisher
Victor Martinez
Nelson Cruz
Chris Coghlan
Matt Kemp
David Wright
Brian McCann
Jose Reyes
Martin Prado
Yunel Escobar
Shane Victorino
Nick Markakis
Grady Sizemore
I’d take any of these guys, if it meant I had to give up BP
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, I would swap BP for most (not all) of these guys as well
But I don’t see most of them getting moved. The ones I can see getting traded (Dunn, Reynolds, Cruz), I don’t want.
Not a fan of offense?
Reynolds actually plays a decent 3B, with an awesome bat
We know what kind of bat Dunn has (and boy do the Reds miss it)
And Cruz gives you a nice balance of defense that doesn’t suck in the OF, and a very nice bat. Wouldn’t you like to have Cruz in LF for the Reds this year and in the future?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Reynolds won't hit again like he did last year
He doesn’t make enough contact. His babip will likely regress and he’ll continue to strike out a ton. And in LF, he’d be giving away a lot of his defensive value. Cruz is a late blooming 29 y.o. Dunn gives away too much of his bat with his defense.
I don’t think any of them would be such an upgrade in LF to make up for the deficit at 2B if Phillips was gone.
Dunn's D in LF takes nothing away from his bat, b/c LF D is not important and shouldn't detract from a LFers value
Reynolds will continue to OPS near .900, and who cares how old Cruz is? He plays a solid corner OF with a damn good bat, which last time I checked, we kinda need.
Any of these 3 would be such an upgrade to LF to make up for the deficit @ 2B if we replaced Phillips with Frazier.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Of course defense in LF matters
If you don’t think it does, you’re not watching the games in the right spreadsheet. The total difference in value between Adam Dunn and Dickerson/Balentien cannot be measured by looking only at the batting lines.
You never answered my question above. You really don’t think 2B defense matters? But it does at 3B, where there are less defensive opportunities? I don’t get it.
Our future 2B options aren't defensive butchers, thus why I don't think 2B D is all that important.
Would I love to have a GG caliber 2B who OPS North of .800? You betcha.
However, it seems that we have a GG caliber 2B with inconsistent offense. Me? I’d rather have more bat and less D.
What I don’t get is why we’ve decided that LF offense is no longer important, and we’re going to win with improved LF D. Losing decision, if you ask me.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone's decided that
It just so happens that the candidates for the job this year all play pretty good defense. The fact that Heisey doesn’t already have the job means they care about offense in LF (since he’s got the best LF defense, IMO) If one can be consistently good at the plate, the job is theirs.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Them trading Dunn decided that they cared about LF defense
And then with his replacements, they subsequently cared not for offense.
I miss Dunn. Imagine what this team could do with him.
Sigh.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think they didn't like Dunn's salary, his attitude, or his offense to be honest
Obviously the defense was a problem, but that wasn’t the only thing the FO didn’t like about him.
And what you said is no one cares about LF offense. I don’t think that’s true, but they value both.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Is that you C. Trent?
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Damn you, people!
I said the CONCEPT was a good one. I also said it will never happen..here’s why
1) We don’t really have a good replacement. Frazier has yet to prove himself there, and probably won’t get a chance.
2) The FO is obviously very concerned with PR, and BP is The Franchise. I don’t think they want to get rid of him for that reason alone.
3) He would presumably be traded at the deadline, and the number of teams that would be able to take on that kind of money is sort of small, and of those, most don’t need a 2B.
BUT, if the Reds are out of it in July, and there is a taker who will take on the whole contract and send something real back, and if Frazier has shown himself to be a legit 2B, then I’m all for it. But those three conditions won’t ever exist.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
yabbit
If the conditions can’t exist, then the concept has no point of application.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
sure it does, because the conditions might exist for another pricey player,
but according to your posts, you never want to trade anybody, ever.
Also, I’m really hoping the only one of those conditions that doesn’t exist is the Reds being out of it in July.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I don't oppose a trade
… what I oppose is the notion that we trade players off on their way UP the talent ladder in hopes of finding somebody who can help us “a little later” for less money.
And if the Reds are out of it by July, it would be a pretty catastrophic collapse, IMHO.
Going in, this team can compete almost all season, again IMHO. That was generally what this thread was to address, I think.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Well, in the case of BP, I think he's likely peaked, and after this year isn't likely to get any better
but could very likely get worse.
Of course, if the Reds are in it in July, no one would want to trade BP, and no one ever said that.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
where did slyde go?
where would he bat BP in the lineup this season?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
As always
BP should bat 5th or 6th. Since we’re playing knifey-spoony, I’d probably bat him 6th.
Dickerson
Stubbs
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
BP
Cabrera
Hernanigans
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nice lineup
i’d concur
unless Micah wins the LF job then everyone moves up one slot and MO hits 7th.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I like it, except I'd put Bruce ahead of Rolen against righties
you might too, since you were playing knifey/spooney
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Bruce still has to prove himself
I think he will, and when he does, knifey-spoony be damned. Until then, put him in a spot where he’s not under a ton of pressure to rake. He could bump to 6th too, in that case.
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Yeah, I can see that, I'm just terrified by Rolen's complete power drain
Of course, if someone else is in LF, I put the CF first (yay Dusty!) and Rolen 2nd.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Sure, I'd love Rolen to have more power
but he’s still a good hitter and I’d hate to waste his OBP on the 7 and 8 hitters.
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If the lineup has CDick and Stubbs
I think they should bat 1-2, otherwise, I agree.
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2 things
1. He doesn’t play SS, so he can’t bat 2nd
2. He needs to remember how to get on base while facing MLB pitching.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
yes, because 200 PA means he's suddenly doesn't know how to do something
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He also showed something in 200 PA he rarely did in the minors
Had a decent SLG
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
And I for one don't believe it was real
I think he was being thrown a lot of strikes when he came up. Pitchers were challenging him like he was Willy Taveras or Jason Kendall. That led to the higher home runs and lower OBP. Once pitchers stopped throwing him so many strikes, he started walking more.
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IF, and yes I meant to capitalize that, Stubbs can OBP at or above his MiLB career rate, then sure, bat him 1st or 2nd.
Until then, bat him 6th or 7th.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
But who would be in LF? C-Dick?
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
What / - C-dick ain't no left fielder.
Certainly not on a team that has a winning season. UNLESS that team has exceptional pitching strength like say the 1990 Reds. I mean those guys played bozos like Benzinger and Oester for gawd’s sake.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
"after this year"
His contract ends in 2011 (unless the team wants to pick up a 12 million dollar option)
Seriously, more posts entitled ball-palyers over thirty suck" and me, John, and Mads will beat you our Geritol bottles
Players have worth after they have peaked!
In this case, I’m doubting Frazier has the good to unseat BP even in 2011.*
*Which, to be fair, is what you seemed to say until you just posted this last craziness. Somewhere Cal Ripken and Jeff Kent are shaking their heads at you. It’s not that they disagree; it’s that they have head tremors.
Jeff Kent did steroids
and Cal Ripken drank a 12-pack of beer after every game.
One of those two facts has been verified.
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right, the issue is would he be worth the money in 2011 (after this year) or would Frazier be better, esp for the money?
I don’t think he will be, but I also am not convinced BP will be worth the money next year. He might be, and I’m willing to give him the chance.
I tend to value youth too much, but I also think the whole post steriods thing really means we’ll see players decline quickly in their 30s.
Also, if you knew you weren’t going to renew BP, why not trade him and get something back?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
you are still ...
… reinventing the Reds roster based on the notion that, what … somebody can’t go first to third in 1.8 seconds but instead does it in 2.2 seconds?
When does the value of the player decline to the point where he’s marginally a detriment?
Yeah, I realize this is the fuckin “old times” but the BRM just got better and better and better with age. And a lot of them were playing before they invented “beer.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Depends
Is BP the exception or the rule?
I really don’t know. I have a hard time reading BP. Some days I think he’s legit and committed. Other days I think he’s a total me-first player.
Either way, time can be a bitch.
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No, I'm understanding the fact that a huge chunk of BPs value comes from his defense
and it’s being realized that a middle infielder’s defense peaks in their mid 20s. If BPs defense continues to decline (as it has the last 2 years) and his bat stays constant, he’s not going to be worth the money.
Let’s not use the BRM as comparison for anything. You can’t compare one of the best teams of all time to a pretty good player 30 years later. For every BRM player there are a ton who have fallen off of a cliff in their 30s.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
the BRM aside
this isn’t about teams as much as the men individually and how they learned to adapt as they aged.
I agree that BP shows the inconsistency that could be attributed partly to immaturity, lack of managerial control. I don’t know the man and have not been privy to that.
My point is that we can’t keep dumping people off the back of the truck when they get “too old” or “too expensive” just because we see some greener looking grass on the other side of the fence. Cheaper grass.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Well, the whole "we can't keep dumping people" argument falls flat with this team
because they have continually shown that they are wiling to throw too much money at aging players, which then bites them in the ass.
Exactly what this team needs is to be smarter about maximizing resources, which sometimes includes trading aging players who will be very expensive.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
the debate softens
We are talking better management of resources, yeah, I am on board with agreeing with you there.
But again, I stand on my premise that the objective is to win the World Series. Saving money or better allocating resources may be interesting economics.
As a fan, meh … I want to win.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Evan Baydh isnt running for reelection
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
well, if BP's talent declines
presumably at some point, the club will notice that and he will adapt, modify and overcome … or move on.
There is no reason he can’t, for example, become a third baseman or a left fielder.
But I think scrap-heaping a guy if the Reds are out of contention would be a hard choice to make. Folks do like BP, as a drawing card. Profits aside, you have to factor that in.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
how can you make sense on the Tavera thread and so little here?
I feel betrayed. Like if after Tom Hanks stormed Normandy Beach, Tom Sizemore would have turned to him and said “You know who is wonderful. that Celine Dion! When we get back to the States, I’m so taking you to one of her shows…”
I don't debate cheap
what I debate is the attitude that we need to keep turning over the roster before the players develop enough experience/time/patience and thus become “too expensive.”
I am just promoting the idea that the objective is to win the World Series, not piddle funk around worrying about whether we have a budget-sensible roster.
Fans are increasingly angry at this small-market attitude. For what it’s worth, I’ve seen the Reds at their very very best and their very worst. Right now, I’d buy a ticket if I had nothing else to do.
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aw and yesterday was V.D.
but before I go smash-mouthing, I do realize that we are on an analysis board (I suppose we all qualify) and tend to take a slightly different look at our team’s talent.
Also, I am as excited about this edition of Reds baseball as any in the past dozen years. The idea of continuing to build a team that is flexible, durable and in contention … I like that as part of any discussion.
But too many of our fans are just resigned to fourth place as a goal … thinking that “getting to .500 is the next logical step.”
At my age, I am slightly less patient. Let’s go from .494 to .619 … screw .500!!
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hell, I remember 1956.
… and the miracle 1961 Redlegs.
I also remember a game at Wrigley one day, Cubs led 10-3 in the third (wind blowing out) and the BRM decided to play ball.
18-11.
The 1990 team was unique, probably the last of its kind.
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well it took some brains
But I honestly think there was more truly good major league potential to be had in 1990. I mean, you could actually get a Hal Morris off the scrap heap and know he could hit .310.
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I think 3 runs was enough!
After the 7th, anybody who wanted to face that bullpen needed leather nuts.
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that bullpen was teh awesome
And, any team with hatcher, Larkin, and Eric Davis has to be one of the more fun teams to watch. Damn you Tom Glavine for ending the 9 game winning streak!
Hatcher was a mystery
Came in like the L. Ranger, hit … what … .800 in the W.S. then, that was it.
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well it was 20 years ago
I forget some things. He did have something like 8 straight hits.
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Larkin and Davis were awesome
but if 1990 Hatcher was our left fielder this season, you’d be leading the charge to get rid of him. Then again, our CF hit like a LF – and actually played LF for a lot of the 1990 season.
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Hatcher
Of all the guys who played on that team, he’s easily the most forgettable.
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How quickly one forgest Billy Bates
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Bates is famous
The clips make sure of that.
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I was gonna say
he played CF for most of the season and Eric played LF.
Hatch and Herm Winningham were a fun duo to watch
He only played CF though
because E.D. f’d up his knee in April. He was the LF for the first month of the season.
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You act like I don't remember
Eric hurt his knee stealing second with two outs in a game in Philly. Dumb idea. Sprained knee and missed two weeks. The beginning of the end for their awesomeness until October
close
but not quite. You’ll have to buy the book to get the real story…(or give blood and win the book)
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has the title been shortened by jch yet?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
When is the papaerback version coming out?
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
By the way, how bad do the last two decades have to be
before people start writing books about the last time you were successful?
strangely
there’s never been a book about this team, not even one put out by the Reds. And there are some good stories in there.
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wasn't about that team
Cuz if you’re going that way, Paul O’Neill and Eric Davis also have books.
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o'neills book was horrible
better put out a better read than his book…
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I have to say
that just generally relying on memory is fun to do but real dangerous when you get into a debate. I can say that there are moments in Reds history that I SWEAR actually happened, and was there to witness
… not.
I do remember getting Doran in a trade but I recalled that he was the regular 2B for the stretch run. Apparently not.
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he was for September
but then he hurt his back and missed the playoffs. He re-signed with the Reds though and was with the team for 1991-92, so you may be remembering some of that.
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I think it was in '91
Doran hit a home run, only it was called foul. Sweet Lou came running out, swearing a blue streak. He tossed first base. He kicked dirt on home plate. He got down on his knees and made a big dirt pile on home plate. Bernie Stowe threw a water cooler out of the dugout on to the field. The fans littered the field for about ten solid minutes.
Just great, great times for a 10 year old kid at the ball game.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I honestly have no idea if there will be a kindle version
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Hal Morris led the Reds in slugging in 1990
true story.
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Yeah, so?
Todd Benzinger caught the final out of the 1990 WS.
NOW who had a better year?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
not Todd Benzinger
seriously, go look at his numbers in 1990. How a team won the WS with 400 PA of that at 1B and LF is beyond my comprehension.
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I know Slyde, I was just playing
Woody Paige for a moment.
Nonsensical arguments FTW!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I just wanted to point out how bad Benzinger was at the plate in 1990. .253/.291/.340 at first base? Are you serious?
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I thought we had him strictly for the
defense?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I sure hope not
he was decent, but not great with the glove.
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Did we have him just to have his name announced on the stadium P.A.?
“Tooooooooodddd BEN”
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I could be wrong here
but he was better than Morris — wasn’t he a late-in-the-game replacement for Morris in Game 4, hence why he made the final catch?
My memory could be very fuzzy, I was six after all.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 15, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
He was better than Morris
And Benzoo started at 1B for most of the first half. He hit well in April, but not much after that. He got hurt in July and was replaced by Morris, who tore shit up.
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HERE IS THE YouTuber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ8NjeAGkV8&feature=youtube_gdata
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by johnu1 on Feb 15, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HA!
That’s my video…well, not MY video, but I ripped it and posted it to an account online at a different site so that I could share it with Erardi. They must have gotten a hold of it somehow and moved it to YouTube.
I know it’s the one I ripped because the audio quality sucks just like on mine.
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ripped or not
It is nice to be able to see that stuff again. Memories are kind of important.
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He didn't use until 2000
when he was trying to hang on in the league.
There are a couple that I’m suspicious of in 1990 though…
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Yeah, I thought of that too late
Actually, I was testing your fact-checking abilities. You passed. I am now considering purchasing your book.
If you keep giving blood
you can win the book and not have to sacrifice a dime…
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Well there were four fewer teams
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yabbit
We were not mining the Japanese and Korean leagues in those days.
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That's still 100 major league caliber players (plus high minors)
That could have been dispersed between the other 26 teams. Have there been 100 Japanese and Korean players in the majors?
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't disagree
Baseball isn’t as good as it was if you compare era to era.
At least we are mostly back on grass.
As for the Asian guys in the bigs, very few of them come here to play minor league ball, so the ones we get are generally top crop players, or at least the ones who can get free from their contracts to come here.
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90 Reds
had an opportunistic offense, very deep pitching staff and Larkin and Doran up the middle. Defense was their best asset and the OF was good at that.
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Doran only played 17 games with the Reds in 1990
They didn’t pick him up until the end of August.
And pitching was their best asset. Defense was second. The offense was super-fast, but mundane otherwise.
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well they had mariano duncan.
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UmmmTimes have changed since we were you guns Johnu
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
yeah, it costs more to be cool
But I have all the money in the world.
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The only true currency in this bankrupt world
is what you share with someone else when you’re uncool.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Care to share more?
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This is my 25,814th comment on Red Reporter
I’ve shared plenty, and not one of those comments has been cool.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I do believe
That the nature of sport is pinned to two moments
Glory attained
Glory anticipate
Go where you will with the rest of this thread, but if you consider any part of it, we measure everything in baseball on statistics and promise.
The promise is derived from stats.
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"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh....the good old days
And, I say that because when i saw that ad I was reminded before george W. Bush. In a a time when W was ruining the Rangers and not the country. Seriously, how didn’t the Gore campaign use Sammy Sosa for George Bell against him?
Dubya's campaign was a contrast in character to Clinton's
Sosa was a very shady character, and Bush was right to distance himself from him.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If Harang has a decent or good or even great season..
..how do the Reds let him go?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t let go of both Harang and Arroyo, just that it doesn’t seem like something they (or any improving team) would do.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
small market teams
are continuing to earn their reputation as feeder systems for the big dogs because they keep looking at their top players as “what can we get for him while he still has value?”
And the fans keep seeing it over and over again that it’s not about being a small market, it’s about seeing if we can spend less and hopefully get something resembling “adequate” … instead of trying to win the damned pennant.
The principle of trading a top player before you have to negotiate him is just admitting that you have no interest in competing.
So if when these contracts are up, these guys want to play somewhere else, just … let ’em. We hire somebody different. Until then, stop trying to see what we can get for them.
A couple more spare infielders and another left fielder …
or Craig Tatum.
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If Harang puts up a season of lets say
200+ innings, and an ERA below 4 they would be fools for letting him go. They could keep him and trade him.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Quite a big IF
I hope he does it
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
I could see the 200+ innings
I’m not as hopeful about the ERA
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
eh
ERA is just a function of the defense behind him. At his level, he could luck into a sub-4 ERA.
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true, but it's not completely a function of defense
Ks ad BBs matter too, and those are trending the wrong direction.
Plus, this team hates him so they won’t play good defense behind him.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
actually
his K/9 and BB/9 were both better in 2009 than 2008, but I know what you are saying. Even still, his FIP was 4.14 last year. Not a big jump to get an ERA under 4.00 from that.
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He had the third best defense in the NL last year
and his ERA was 4.21….
Do you really think he could somehow drop his .339 BABIP and lower….
crap, you’re right. I take it back, Justin, he COULD do that if is the same as he was last year AND has average luck , instead of Aaron Harang luck
yep
The team was the 3rd best defense, but Harang got the least help from his defense of any pitcher in baseball.
The other good news is that guys at BPro has been saying that line drive rate for pitchers fluctuates wildly from year to year. If that’s the case, Harang could surprise a lot of people this year.
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I said you were right....do you have to rub good news in my face
Oh, hold it, that is something celebrate. I really do love the guy, so I hope he gets the luck he’s deserved in the 2009.
to be fair
an inordinate amount of his starts included EE as the 3B…..
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Yeah, I was sort of aiming at the improbability of that ERA
I love Aaron, but he’s not the Aaron of 2007 any more. Means, he peaked two years ago, but still has a mountain of value if you ask me
I don't suggest
buying contracts of expensive ballplayers.
I’m just maybe … yeah, it’s still WIN-ter here … sort of beyond reading still another list of our left fielders and how we can move this guy here or that guy to third base or leave this guy at Lousyville.
All for about 12 million dollars, sav’d or defer’rd.
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pretty big if
but I don’t care what team you are: if you can replace expensive talent with less expensive, roughly equivalent talent, then do it.
h/t Boston Red Sox
It gets my goat
That the Red Sox have all the money to get big free agents, but still do the building-within-from-the-minors as well as anyone in the league. Although they’ve also got a good philosophy of trading prospects for established talent – which they have the money to pay for. It’s a good organization. Damn them!
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, and allegedly they have an out of this world medical staff
to help develop and prevent injuries.
If they keep this up, ESPN might pay some attention to them!
a bit of a tangent
which is real rare on the RR boards.
I can’t see a reason to hold a grudge against the Bostons or for that matter, even the Yankees.
What galls me is the occasional foray by teams that should know better into the monster colossal contract for one guy. I think the Cordero signing is an example and I tend to admire Jocketty a little for not really falling for that.
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I think the Holliday deal will be bad for STL
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i think the Bay deal will be worse for NYM
wanna bet?
STL is gonna be awesome!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I know I'm looking forward to seeing George C. Scott in the remake of "Baseball In The Groin"
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This picture works on so many levels!
But it is weird that the fielding stats love Holliday, but when I’ve seen him he stumbles around like an oaf. I’m kinda with jch on this – I don’t think his contract ends well for St. Louis.
They're both going to be bad deals, doesn't matter which one is worse
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What, you disagreed with me! Shocking
What i meant was that trading him because he makes money is silly. Trading him because you have someone similar for cheap is fine.
To me, it’s one thing if such a kooky idea is floated through one of the clubs retainers/reporters (we need to trade this guy, ‘cause he makes lots of money). it’s another if intelligent fans suddenly decide he needs to go for financial reasons. It’s the latter that we need to eradicate from our thinking, because it implies a desire to be cheap instead of efficient.
weird how you start off with nonsense (my Gold Glove 2nd baseman is too expensive
at 7 million) and then veer off into rationality. obc, you are always unpredictable!
On a serious note, BP makes 11 million next year (according to Cott’s). With Harang and Arroyo’s contracts reworked or gone, Icna’t see how that makes him too expensive, as long as he’s OPS’ing 750 and playing excellent defense.
For God’s sake, we aren’t the Marlins, we can have some nice things.
$11 million isn't bad
but it’s not good either, it’s probably about fair market value. And since Brandon Phillips won’t age well, as cesar said, 2B is a logical place to try and work upgrades from. If we have adequate replacements in the system who are ready now, we can use the money (or Brandon himself) to acquire talent at positions where we currently (or for 2011 or beyond) don’t have any reasonable options or rather poor ones. SP, C, SS, and maybe CF come to mind. Seeing this end of the defensive spectrum shouldn’t surprise anyone, with the way that all our prospects are seemingly challenged defensively (is it just me, or aren’t they really?).
I love Brandon Phillips as much as anyone, but I also realize that trading him could be one of the better moves we can make for the future. If we keep him, I probably wouldn’t be upset about that either, unless he really does nosedive quickly. Or we keep him and move him to SS, in effect filling one of the needs with an internal option. Has that horse died yet?
He's a free agent after 2011 (with a one million dollar buyout)
so you won’t have to pay him too long.
wow, completely forgot about him
nice memory, hombre
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I want this guy back.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
by Madville on Feb 16, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me too Mads, me too
Best Reds player between 2002 – 2008, pretty much run out of town with no explanation.
We could have afforded to keep him. We wouldn’t have this LF black hole now (although not as bad as SS). And his defense wasn’t a reason to not keep him, since he played LF for us.
But I’m just gonna stop there.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
he wasn't clutch
he struck out too much, he wasn’t aggressive, he couldn’t hit sac flies, he really didn’t like baseball that much, and he was lazy.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
We are talking about Dunn not T-virus...jeez
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
You can't honestly believe any of that garbage you just typed
I’m going to assume you’re just giving me the regurgitated reasons the poorly educated, unwashed masses of fair weather Reds fans would use as their ammo as to why Dunn is teh sux.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think BP could be worth the 11 mil in 2011, but it's not a slam dunk
His value is mostly based on his position and defense, and he’ll turn 30 in 2011, and his defensive numbers have gone down each year for the past 3 years, according to UZR. (not saying that’s definitive, but it definitely counts for something.)
If he can hit as well or better than 2009, he’ll be worth it, as long as his D doesn’t fall off a cliff. The point is, if you had a league minimum guy who could provide similar value (I definitely think Frazier could hit as well or better than BP right now) why wouldn’t you use him, especially if trading the expensive guy netted a prospect or two?
Having said all that, I don’t think it’ll happen for a lot of reasons.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'm kind of thinking Brandon could put on some old man weight
and keep pounding HR’s until 35 while playing league average or better defense until his last year or so.
Brandon’s perhaps got the most raw talent in the infield, and since he’s also a pretty hard worker, I think he can make himself into a “new” player as he ages.
Plus, he’s tough enough to play through a lot of injuries.
I am hoping he wants to resign for a bit less like Rolen did. Like 4 years 28 million.
yeah, it's not like the reds are poor
they’ve just had some really awful players with big contracts. a GOOD player with a big contract is not going to break the bank.
Unfortunately I think BP's highest trade value was probably in 2008, possibly 2009
The whole league knows he is expensive and is getting more expensive, so that has to diminish his trade value.
I really wish the Bronson and Brandon to the Mets for Jose Reyes rumor had some legs.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 15, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Nice plan.
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I'm hoping
Chapman starts in Louisville. Purely for selfish reasons. The Bats play a four-game series in Scranton at the end of April, and I’m hoping to see him pitch.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well, then I'm hoping that, too.
Purely for the photo essay you’ll post here.
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
on the twins sb nations site
good lord
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Why did you scratch out your name?
by Brian B on Feb 15, 2010 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
WRONG
The real worst fan letter ever:
Dear Chase,
I feel like I can call you Chase because you and me are so much alike. I would love to meet you some day. It would be great to have a catch. I know I can’t throw as fast as you, but I think you would be impressed with my speed. I love your hair. You run fast. Do you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither. These are all things we can talk about and more. I know you have not been getting my letters because I know you would write back if you did, and I hope you write back this time and we get to be good friends. I am sure our relationship would be a real home run.
Mac
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Feb 15, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that one is kind of sad, in a way
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My tea’s gone cold, I’m wondering why I got out of bed at all
the morning rain clouds up my window and I can’t see at all
And even if I could it’d all be grey, but your picture on my wall
it reminds me that it’s not so bad
it’s not so bad
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another poignant
yet subtle reference to the American Tea Party.
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I guess this is the newer (TM) version
sorry for being so sloppy.
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Better yet
http://www.hulu.com/watch/106982/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-ball-player-love-letter
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
login required
but now I see the was all a ruse. I felt like that letter was a little too much like the Eminem song.
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You don't have a hulu login on your toolbelt?
Weak.
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
heh
i read your comment and thought of Dido and didnt get it at first. Dido > Eminem
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Huh
I agree with you, but I kinda thought Dido would have been in your wheelhouse.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
she's fine
i like white flag much better than thank you, although america probably wouldnt know who dido was had thank you not been the chorus to stan.
that being said, dido, is nowhere close to eminem’s level
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
Sounds like an Eminem song in the making
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
late to the party again, I see
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
get a cup, pour some tea
recite modern poetry.
enjoy.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
he was the missing piece
now they are set
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
just as i suspected!
Leatherpants is still behind the scenes, running a shadow puppet regime in Washington! /picks up phone and without dialing shouts, “get me the Commissioner!”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm currently in SE DC dogsitting a Bernese Mountain Dog named Willie
Clearly this was some sort of omen.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Better then taking care of Bernie's mounting dog.
And on walks near other dogs, you’re always wondering, “Will he?”
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
predict:
Taveras OPS vs Miles OPS this season
discuss!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
predict:
Taveras playing time vs. Miles playing time
discuss!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Tavares signed a multi-million dollar contract with a bad baseball team.
So I think we all know how much playing time to expect him to get.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
he only got a minor league deal, though
Last year, the Nats signed Corey Patterson. Then punted him for Norris Hopper. Both mostly minor league roster filler.
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Snooki > Norris Hopper > Aaron Miles > Willy Taveras
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
here's a leaked photo from the shoot
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Feb 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
That is one ugly "woman"
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
right is jch's sweet spot
he’s a 49er fan
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
good lord
And 4’9" is too short for me. 4’11" and up, please. A man’s gotta have standards.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Just like last time...
Got to hand it to Wily’s agent…
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
what's the strategy in D.C.?
Are they into the “small ball” propaganda or do they want the Donkey and Zim to bash ’em in the head with a sledgehammer? Either way, Willy T. probably needs to invest his money in a spa.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
crap
The Lincoln Memorial would take more walks than Willy did.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
It definitely has a lot more power
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think that Miles should be boxed up and sent to Japan for Terry Collins
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
I've seen this reported as a $4 million deal
which I’m assuming means they’re paying him the league minimum, and the A’s are picking up the rest, right?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I was going to ask this.
FWIW the article I just read didn’t mention the A’s paying any salary.
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I read
in this one that “Oakland will be paying most” of the salary. Whatever that means.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
It means Adam Rosales better turn into Miguel Tejada real quickly
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I just saw that one, too.
Willy Taveras signed a one-year, $4 million deal with the Washington Nationals…Oakland will be paying most of that salary for the coming season.
That wording seems unnecessarily confusing. If Oakland’s paying most of it, is the deal with the Nationals really a “$4 million deal”?
by the finest muffins on Feb 15, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think last week, we were asking
if the A’s front office was chewing on some form of Burmese root.
So when the Nats trade W.T. to the Astros for Roy Oswalt, who comes to the Reds by mid-season in a rental deal, and R.O. leads us to the N.L. title, we can say T.Y. to B.B.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
yes
I think they don’t say how much each team is playing, because it depends on whether Taveras makes the big league roster. If he does, the Nats will pay $400,000, and the A’s the remaining $3.6 million.
If he ends up in Syracuse, the Nats will pay him only minor league money, and the A’s that much more.
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Lucky us!
We get to play against Willy! :)
How many WAR does that gain us on the year? Like 0.09? I’ll take what I can get! :P
What did you expect? It's the internet. Some of us are full of crap.
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't see that this said Farmers Only at first
and I was really confused…. now I get it.
If Votto gets traded I don’t know if I can be a Reds fan. He is near and dear to my heart.
I watched a lil' bit o 'Baseball Tonight' last night.
Their ticker/sidebar thingy had Aaron Miles listed as one of the A’s “Key Additions.” ..More than one thing wrong with that graphic.
Still, it was comforting to turn on ESPN and see exactly the kind of hapless shit baseball ‘coverage’ I’d expect to see in mid-February.
Let’s do this! I’m ready to get my pitcher-catcher on!
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
Back to the Questions
1.Androidis will prolly get a l0ok at high AA, does well then a quick move to AAA.
2.Yonder may spend some time in LF this season at AAA, I don’t think he could be any worse than Dunn defensively.
3.Frazier may see some time at SS in ST and at AAA, if Cabrera goes down(no puns) then Frazier gets a shot at SS
4.END – total mystery…he’d better get disciplined fast (no puns) or he will be on the block
5.Rookie impact? Unless it is Todd or Hi-Z somehow exploding (no puns) at the MLB level…well it becomes a Drew Stumps issue…I predict a solid season from the kid and that he will be significant upgrade offensively over Wily.
But with the Sunshine Boys on the left side of infield and Hernia behind the plate 2010 will only be as good as Bruce, Votto, BP, Gomes and Stubbs from an offensive point of view…and there is still no 5th man in the rotation.And then there’s Harang…
Go Reds
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Mads, what in the hell is 'high AA?'
"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell is a I0ok....at high AA?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I don't know...I was never a member nor did I go to any meetings high...
please strike: Androidis will prolly get a l0ok at high AA, does well then a quick move to a shot at AAA.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
why no puns, Mads?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Now that alan is back (albeit w/lmt playing time) does one have a choice?
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
I see your point.
I think.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
what's sad is that people planned to spend their evening by turning comments green
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I'm thoroughly confused
Why is every Brendanukkah comment green’d?
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was this actually rec'd
or was this rec’d by the troll?
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Interlopers and Trolls are killing this site, I tell you.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Sorry...I'll try to do better...
What do you suggest?
I mean baseball season is only a couple of days away…ST that is…well we could
1. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
or
2. well…nah
or
3. you could tell us stories of the olden days of RR
or
4. Organize a quaffle hunt
or
5..uuummmmmmmmmmmmmm
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Your cuaffle hunt begins and ends in Columbia.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
just kidding, man.
You did start this whole cuaffle thing, though.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
weirdest. troll. ever.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Tiger knocked up his porn mistress. twice.
you’ll have that…
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
right here
“Once she had an abortion, and the other time she had a miscarriage after the baby fell out of her cavernous, porn-star sized vagina.” – WWTD
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
uh, boy
Sex was "never protected" and contraception was "never talked about", she told the programme.
If that’s true, she’s probably not the only one Tiger knocked up.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
why do we care so much?
i mean he is still a golfer, and still one of the best golfers in the world. I’m tired of all this personal shit whether it is Tiger Woods, John Edwards, Bill Cllinton, or Newt Gingreich.
We all do stupid things in our personal lives, some more stupid then others. I’m guessing there are plenty of RR’s who have had sex outside of their marriage, tried to kill themselves, or any of the other things that tabloids love to exploit.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
not me
I lead a boring life. That’s why I’m interested in Tiger’s. ;-)
Seriously…gossip is an essential human activity, and I think it’s mostly harmless, at least when it comes to celebrities.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
ive never knocked up a porn star
plus, if ya don’t want the media attention don’t take the piles of advertising dollars and hawk products to me and my family via the talking box in our living room.
J, we should care….or at least all of us with children should. We’re pretty much constantly lowering the bar on acceptable behavior in this society and teaching them such choices aren’t necessarily wrong. And anyone who didnt see the sex addiction fakeout off the bat is blind. Time for the pendulum to swing the other way. Palin in 2012!!!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Tiger would have the same amount of attention regardless of the endorsements, seeing as he's the greatest golfer of this generation, possibly all time
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
The endorsements certainly didn't hurt
But being one of the 4 best of all time certainly helped secure his fame and notoriety, and thus resulted in endorsements.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
People are always bringing up the argument "well if they didn't want the attention they shouldn't have all those endorsements"
Which is BS, considering endorsements are a product of the person’s popularity.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I was aiming that more toward obc
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Then you must refer to him as Ed Hardy
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
ok, freshmen....
when you are a spokeman for a corporation it is expected that you do not embarrass said corporation by acting in a manner that is detrimental to the company. what part of this dont y’all understand?
i am expected to remove any corporate logos if i so much as have a beer with dinner in an bar and grill.
and if the endorsement is a product of the person’s popularity how do you account for The Progressive Girl, Mr Whipple, the Geico Cavmen, etc? None of those actors were popular before the ads rolled out…
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I don't argue with trolls, sorry
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Do you also own some Affliction apparel as well?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 16, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
affliction apparel is sweet
much of it has crosses on it. that makes affliction shirts good to wear to church!
clothing to wear on my next train trip!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Hey its all the rage in Wisconsin
http://www.alaskarails.org/historical/whittier-40/TB-tunnel-train-ride.jpg
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
You teach your children that athletes DON'T screw other women
Who is the one letting down the children? The person teaching him a guy who hits a ball doesn’t act like we know they act or the athlete acting like every alpha male in the history of human kind.
3 of my girls were (are)athletes and they never never screwed other women.( I don't think...)
My son wasn’t so athletic but that didn’t stop him from being on the prowl…it ain’t just an athlete thing…
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
The Nascar guys don't seem to have the same, uh, exposure
Jack Nicklaus avoided the controversy.
As did Greg Maddux, Nolan Ryan, Tony Gwynn, Andre Dawson, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Jim Rice, and Barry Larkin.
Just because you’re a world class athlete doesn’t mean you’re a world class idiot.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I only have lusted after a chicken in my heart
Does that count
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
they can be sexy
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
outta my control
it has been optimized for search engines.
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I bet it doesn't stop the Red Sox fan ads
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 15, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
how come I don't see that?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
browser title bar when you are on the front page of the site
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oh
What did it say before? I never noticed.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I saw that at the top of the page
And it’s still there.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Interesting
I haven’t noticed a change (other than it telling me constantly that I’ve successfully logged in).
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
because this site doesnt have serious issues anymore
once sukr left its become mostly train talk and left wing politico manifestos.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Feb 16, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good lord
can we just change the name of the site to Railroad Reporter and get it over with?
by 'tHan on Feb 16, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Might confuse NASCAR fans and aggrieved minorities
and you don’t want those two constituencies on the same board
by timb116 on Feb 16, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
after this thread
and taking into account all the environmental talk around here
maybe we should call the site Green Reporter
by 'tHan on Feb 16, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and Chris Dickerson might post here!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Blow up the trains
Kill the politicians
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
Red Reporter - A Cincinnati Reds Blog with Serious Issues
which is still on the page, just below the ad.
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I miss the promise not to rape, kidnap, etc.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Seriously.
On the other hand, we’re now the first hit for:
Cincinnati Reds Blog
Reds Blog
Tigrmetrics
Homer Bailey future ex-husband
And, to warm justin’s heart….
cuaffle
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I'm pretty happy with the fact that we're on the first page for
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only blog until page 3
not a bad job at all.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
hmmm
My search puts RR at the top of the second page so it may waver in and out depending on what Ass. Press is offering for the day.
I found it originally through the cbssports.com site.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Google tailors its search results
depending on your search history.
So what I see as first won’t necessarily be what you see first.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
hmmm that would explain
why “powdered sugar” ended up higher on the list than “Corey Patterson.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
we are also the only SBN site to use the word Cuaffle
I’m sure that brings a sense of pride and joy to you Slyde.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
we also the only SBN sit to use
most of the words you type.
(pause)
mea culpa. that was mean. happy fat tuesday everyone! DRANK!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
It's like raaaaaiiiiin
on your wedding day.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Feb 16, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We are 9th on the first page when searching "sexfist"
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I noticed that
previously, when I searched for sexfist, I had to keep going and going and going.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 15, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah
When we have pairs skating to watch?
The gold medal winner almost got dropped on her face during a lift…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Torvil and Dean were the only pairs skaters ever worth watching and now they're retired.
And let me say that the choice of music for the pairs was especially maudlin this Olympics…almost as vapid as the costumes…The winner has to go to Germany for the lameo Clown outfits.
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
I can't believe I just noticed this...
but what’s with the apostrophe in the title?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
That is define racism!!!
It degrades and demeans the African American concept of Soul…
Choo-Choo Seoul> Choo Choo Soul
'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."
Sarah Palin
The rush hour commutes are the leading story on the news tonight
About two to three hours for most commuters while many of the lanes are covered in snow.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
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