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A Glimpse at the Reds New Goodyear Complex

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Pitchers and catchers report just one week from today. There's not much better news than that when you have a foot of snow outside of your door. This nasty winter weather will be over soon and before you know it, we'll be freezing our bejeezels off during Game 2 against the Cardinals.Thankfully we'll have our Reds snuggie to keep us warm.

Until we get to that point though, we have a full spring training camp to go through at the Reds new facility in Goodyear, Arizona. Having just been out there for Reds Fantasy Camp, let me tell you that it is an absolutely beautiful complex. The former players that were out there were lamenting the fact that it was better than many of the regular season facilities that they played in, not just Spring Training.

I took some pictures around the camp that you can view after the jump. Hopefully it will warm you up and get you ready for Spring!

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If you've never been to the Phoenix area, it's very flat except for a couple of mountains that stick up in unexpected places. You literally can see for miles around you, so you can see the Goodyear camp from far away. When you get up close, this is what the Reds offices look like:

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A lot of concrete, dark woods, and artificially rusted surfaces. It's not a gorgeous building, but stylistically, it suits the landscape. When you walk into the lobby, this is the first thing you see:

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I believe that script used to appear on the Reds uniforms back in the 1950s or 1960s, but it hasn't been used since. We were told that it will likely reappear on the uniforms some time in the next year or two.

On the back of the building is a beautiful patio where you can see on to all of the practice fields. All of the big execs (Castellini, Jocketty, Bob Miller, Dick Williams) have offices that open right out to the patio. We had a nice barbecue up there after the championship game and I even used Walt Jocketty's private bathroom.  Sorry, no pictures were taken of that.

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When the players come in the back entrance, the first thing they'll see when they walk through the gate is this:

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It'd be a damn shame to have to go work here every day for a month. The two fields you see in this picture are the main practice fields for the Reds. This is also where their extended spring training and instructional league teams will play during the summer. We played most of our games in an area they called the Clover Leaf, which was four fields all centered around a common area. These fields are actually used by the city when the Reds aren't using them and high school and little league teams get to play on them. They were better than any field I've ever been on...

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One interesting aspect scenery-wise is the planes. There is an airport right next to the park, so throughout the day there are lots of small planes flying overhead. There is also a storage landing for jumbo jets, so there is a parking lot full of commercial airliners that aren't currently in use that you can see from just about anywhere in the camp:

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If you are going to Spring Training this year, you likely won't see most of what I've already shown you. That's because the actual training facility is about a half-mile away from Goodyear Ballpark, where the games will be played. While the Reds and Indians each have their own separate training complexes, they will be sharing the ballpark.

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If you click that picture to see a larger version, you'll see images of Bronson Arroyo, Brandon Phillips, and Joey Votto on the windows. On the Indians side of the building they had images of Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Victor Martinez. D'oh!

It's a good looking park on the inside. They didn't have anything open besides the field, so I'm not sure what all there is available, though we did notice a wiffle ball field for the kiddies. There just something about palm trees in the background of the baseball field that feels like Spring:

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As you can see, the Reds have done pretty well for themselves. I don't have any good pictures of it, but the Major League clubhouse at the camp is outstanding. There are 4 huge TVs in the center of the room that makes it look like an arena. Everything is so fresh and clean throughout that you feel a little awkward touching anything. They also had a huge weight room that we weren't allowed to use (not that it mattered for me), two hot tubs and two cold tubs, and very nice cafeteria. It was like being in college all over again.

If you get a chance to go out and see the complex yourself, I highly recommend it. It's top notch all the way.

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So which picture of Grady do they have on the Indians' side?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

he didn't

He sent it them to his Playboy bunny girlfriend.

She claims someone hacked into her e-mail account and stole the photos.

Me, I suspect she shared them with friends and family, bragging about her boyfriend, and one of them was not as discreet as she thought.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Family?

I wouldn’t be showing those pics to mom…

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 11, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Or they could end up being circulated around the interwebs...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

well i mean for us common folk it really isn't a big deal

but if i were famous i would never ever ever ever allow a picture like that to be sent out, if I didn’t want the world to see it.

Even as a common folk I don’t want a picture like that out, because if some how it does end up out of my control, I don’t need a potential employee doing a google search on me and finding less than professional pictures. I don’t even like pictures of myself with drunk to be on the internet for that reason.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure if any of my friends ever got a hold of something like that...

I’d NEVER live it down. With good reason. If I got a hold of something like that for them, I’d probably never let them live it down either.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 11, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully

It’s not a picture of you holding their somethings down.

I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ewwww

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Feb 11, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

drunk pictures?

They just show employers that you have a sense of humor!

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

like they say

Never send anything via e-mail that you wouldn’t want to see on a billboard in Times Square.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

A relative of mine worked on this investigation for the MLB and, as surprising as it sounds, the photos were in fact stolen from her email by a crazed Grady fan, just as they say.

One would usually think exactly what you did, but in this case the bunny was actually innocent. Go figure.

by buckeyes0828 on Feb 11, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Also:

That building looks gorgeous. Very late-50’s modernism, it looks like Archer will come walking out of it or something.

That new/old Reds script is neat, too. The whole swoosh-under-the-letters just SCREAMS baseball. It’s funny, though, that it seems as though these are the uniforms the Reds are trying to go back to (remember all that noise about blue coming back to the jerseys in ’07?). Funny because that team was terrible, even with Lombardi, Derringer, and Vander Meer.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

I hate the blue in those uniforms.

Hate, hate, hate 2-tone hats.

I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 11, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Cincinnati Blues?

Those are hideous, I hope we never have to see blue in our uniforms. I have nothing against blue (I’m not a colorist) it’s just too similar to the Cubs.

by DocRam on Feb 11, 2010 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Anything to get rid of that god-awful black drop shadow in the current logo

I have a raging, burning passionate hatred for that stupid looking bit of bad design. It’s so ugly, it makes me want to do something awful, like root for the Cubs. But not quite.

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

What's wrong with the black shadow?

When they dropped it on the road unis last year, the plain red lettering on the gray jerseys looked terrible.

by Brian B on Feb 11, 2010 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

racist'd

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

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by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think it looks....amateur? sloppy? 90's?

Like someone just downloaded a knockoff version of Photoshop and is playing around with all the neat tools for the first time. And the black is too heavy-looking to me. I prefer the old look with no shadow:

Or they could change the shadow color to something else— dark gray, maybe, or a darker red. I don’t mind navy, but others seem to hate it. Maybe more white is the key— to keep things simple. Or they could keep the black and make it a full outline rather than the drop shadow. I also am not wild about the blocky, machine-like typeface. I like the old cursive in Slyde’s photo here, or even the typeface they’re currently using on the uniforms (though I wouldn’t want that used for more than two words at once, it could get hard to read.)

I don’t know, maybe it’s just an irrational hatred that only I harbor. End rant.

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No FM...it makes sense what you write..

But remember this is Cincinnati.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Meaning we don't like change?

Point taken. Except the black drop shadow’s only ten years old. I doubt anyone would complain about going back to a BRM-days look.

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

only if it is pre-pullover BRM

No polyester and it must be a button down!

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by Slyde on Feb 11, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so much as not liking change (that is certainly true) but just poor taste in genral..

German heaviness meets Appalachian trailer court sensibilities and is blended with luke warm Southern schlock.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Harumph

I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.

by Pops Daniels on Feb 11, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

can I get a divan in that?

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by bbjones on Feb 11, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I do need a job

But I’m not a graphic designer, just an illustrator with opinions and no computer skills. Seriously, I couldn’t even make the ugly drop shadow happen in Photoshop.

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

so draw it

and make some graphic designer lackey do the work.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

with career advice like this, I’ll be employed in no time!

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true but why is this picture of jch with a do rag on his head posted here?

this should be a shot of Justin and me teleconferencing

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

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by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just to be clear on this...

justin=doug, Mads=janitor, jch=the Todd, Slyde=ted. right?

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by ZJiff30 on Feb 11, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

"As I looked up and to the left...

I realized that no matter how long I blogged, I would never be as good as Slyde unless I actually put that dancing chicken on my site."

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

(sic)

good lord. another misspelled word…

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by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna argue, then I read the Wiki description

You nailed me.

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I gave up a promising position in the Food Service Industry to pursue a higher calling.

I have worked in custodial engineering…I nearly reached the top before the ecomony busted my balls.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for kodachrome beauty

and who does Pete think he is with those red shoes?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree on all counts

Love the building and retro logo. I have a gray sweatshirt with a Reds logo that looks something like that.

by ken on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The script

I guess I would have no problem with it.
My question is, why isn’t it red?
Those old-time blue caps from the 40s always confused me.

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by johnu1 on Feb 11, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

AZ, meh...

I wasn’t a big fan of the AZ move and will probably never get to Goodyear. FL is much, much more accessible to Reds Nation.

That said, I’m sure jch would vote for a training facility in ATL…

by Ewok on Feb 11, 2010 11:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Planehead.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah

<img src="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:px21WFY5NkpzJM:http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/4/6/1155646.jpg"/>

That is my desktop wall paper right now.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you buy that puppy or are you still saving up?

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

there's no money to be made in flying prop jets

I am guessing the flight crew (captain, first officer, and flight attendant) on that bad boy make a total of $70K, if they are lucky.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured want a 'retro plane' so your could take it to the Airplane 'chop shop"

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually props will probably make a comeback

If airlines were smart, they will make a comeback at least. They are so much cheaper to operate, they burn less fuel, and they are just as safe as jets.

People just see the prop and assume they are on “old” technology. But for many flights flown by regional jets today props would make much more sense, like Columbus to Cincinnati.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I flew through the Andes (not over mind you) in prop jets.. a trifle noisey but smooth saling - I like your idea.

Lets have D. call Pres. Obama.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem

Is that they’re slow, and everyone’s in a hurry.

Hawaii used to have a third airline that flew props and offered cheaper airfare. But it meant the typical inter-island flight was 45 minutes instead of 20, and people just didn’t like that.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy are we spoil;ed or what.

My great Aunt lived to be 101 and…what’s that…oh I already told this story…

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

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by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

not in all cases though

on some short haul flights they are faster.

Props can actually climb faster then jets, thus get to cruise altitude faster and actually shorten the length of a flight.

Back when Cincinnati was a major Delta hub with 500+ Delta flights a day, it had a number of feeder flights from Dayton, Indianapolis, Columbus, Lexington, Louisville, Toledo, and Fort Wayne. A prop really wouldn’t take any longer on any of those flights. The problem with regional jets is they have the fuel efficiency of a jet, but can carry at most 100 people.

While Cincinnati isn’t an issue anymore, places like New York, and Chicago which also have a number of short haul feeder flights would benefit from props.

United and American have flights to O’hare from other parts of Illinios, Indiana, and Wisconsin.

I would need to see the equipment operated in your case.

A bombardier400 which is a prop can cruise at 414 MPH, a CRJ 200 can cruise at 593 MPH. In flights under 250 miles there will not be that much of a difference, simply because the CRJ200 (which is a regional jet) will not reach anywhere close to the altitude required to reach its maximum cruise speed.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a friend who flies the big planes for United for a long time and is now with Delta

Now he makes a pretty nice living…and he has a really beautiful wife.
Forget academia…fly the skies!

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think short haul flights are a growth area

People are driving longer and longer distances, because flying has become such a hassle. If you take into account arriving two hours early to go through security, layovers and flight delays, etc., it’s become faster to drive for a lot of short hops, and even not so short hops.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why we should replace those short hops

with train trips.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would love that

If this ever comes to pass, I’m so there.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the money's there

so it looks like it is actually going to happen.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

im pretty excited

i really hope the make a stop in Akron though. who wants to go all the way to Cleveland?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, here we go...

A 7-mile stretch of the route to Akron would have to be completely rebuilt, plus:

The route via Akron would add 47 miles and at least an hour to the overall Cleveland-Cincinnati schedule. Even though this route alternative would serve the Akron metropolitan area, the circuitous route and longer trip time would be expected to adversely affect ridership in the 3-C corridor. For these reasons, Amtrak, CSX, and ORDC concluded this was not an optimal corridor route.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha, you're funny

The City of Cincinnati or Hamilton County will derail those plans (punny!) given half the chance. They couldn’t build a snowman right now, they’d argue about who should get to put the carrot on as the nose for three months then wonder where all the snow went.

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

who would take a train to cleveland or columbus?

now, build a train to chicago and you just might have something!

"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Too many Cs!

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 12, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem i see with that is

unless all the cities involved seriously upgrade their local mass transit the train wouldn’t be all that useful.

I mean what do people do once they get there? It is all well and good to link all of Ohio’s major cities by trains, but it won’t mean a damn thing if people can’t easily get from the station to the rest of the city.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

so you can either

drive up on your own, with the expense off gas, but the ability to travel on your schedule

or

potentially drive to the train station on the trains schedule, take a train which you pay for, and then pay for a cab.

Seems like a financial loss for the traveler.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

staying home is underrated

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by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not against the 3-C Corridor

but I hope Ohio cities upgrade their mass transit infrastructure so it can actually work, rather than be an expensive mistake nobody uses.

If I lived in Milwaukee i would want Metra to extend their service to Milwaukee, because driving to Chicago sucks, the traffic sucks, parking sucks, and you can get almost were ever you want to go in the city via the EL and bus.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It really depends on how far your final destination is from the train station

If it’s a few miles from the station, it shouldn’t be too much of a problem to get there whether there’s a decent local mass transit option or not. But if your final destination is thirty miles away, you’re probably better off driving.

Also, in your driving equation you forgot about tolls and the wear on your car.

by ken on Feb 11, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

we were talking about flying

You can take the train and rent a car, or take a plane and rent a car.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi speed rail

Is no better than air travel. In fact, by the time you factor in the acreage, it uses as much land or more than an airport does.

And as was pointed out, you still need a car after you get to the station.

But the pork barrel can handle it.

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by johnu1 on Feb 11, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think acreage is an issue...

are you saying that the space taken up by the rails is as much as the space taken up by an airport?

If so, who cares? Most of those rails are on cheap land anyway.

In cities with real transit, the train can go right into downtown, where you can switch to transit. It’s much harder for flights to go there.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares about acreage?

Nobody said a thing about it.

Why I like rail:

It’s the most energy-efficient (and hence, greenest) form of travel, aside from ships. I think this is going to be a huge issue in the future, because oil supplies are increasingly constrained, and if 1 billion Chinese take up driving, there won’t be much left for us. Not to mention the climate change stuff.

Also, it’s much less of a hassle. You don’t have to be practically strip-searched to get in a train. They don’t charge for bags, nor do they cram you in like sardines in a can.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that it's much less of a hassle

but there’s no real reason why it should be. It would be absurdly easy to blow up an American train, and these go in tunnels under kind of important buildings in cities all over the country. This will probably change at some point.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so

If so, it’s a waste of effort. Why not just use a truck? Or drop something onto the roof of a train as it passes beneath a bridge?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 11, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

if it's the train you want to attack

Then set the bomb on a bridge, not on the train.

Trains just aren’t as vulnerable to passengers as a plane is. There may be security issues, but they won’t involve people’s shoes and underwear.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

not that TSA found

any of the stuff in people’s shoes or underwear.

I haven’t heard of any incidents that were prevented because the bad guy was stopped at the screening station.

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by bbjones on Feb 12, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

that's true

However, it could be argued that the fact they have to resort to small amounts of explosives in shoes and underwear is due to security.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Crazy Japanese cults agree

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

If i take a train from Cincinnati to Columbus or Cleveland

i don’t want to rent a car. If I have to rent a car when I get there, I would just drive there.

The 3C corridor will not displace flying in Ohio, because I doubt very many people actually buy a ticket to fly between any of those airports, all the intra-Ohio flying is done to feed Continentals hub in Clevland and Delta’s hub in Cincinnati.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of the trips are to go further than that, sure

but plenty of the trips still are among the 3 Cs. Some of those people would take a train if it were available. It would probably pick up more people who would otherwise drive, though.

And ideally, it would act as a catalyst for transit in those cities. The Columbus mayor has tried to pus rail downtown, anyway. Who knows if it’s viable there…

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i haven't been following it much

as i’ve spent much of the last 6 months out of Ohio. When they originally started to talk about it I thought it was designed to connect Ohio’s cities, so people have a choice other than driving.

Maybe that is just what I wanted it to be, so that is why I assumed it would work out that way.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

living here in Columbus

i can say it is an absolutely perfect candidate for light rail.

the layout of the metro area is a perfect wheel-and-spoke design, as you can see. all of the major suburbs (Westerville, Hilliard, Dublin, Worthington, Gahanna, Pickerington, Grove City) are all just about equidistant from downtown. unfortunately, the time to do such a project was 100 years ago. when the city’s population really exploded after the war, they just built roads instead. now it’s really easy to get around by car. you can get anywhere from anywhere else in less than half an hour. it would take hundreds of millions of dollars to make a light rail system that was good enough to change people’s minds. sigh.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

not really

gas prices are only going to go up, thank allah. people won’t be driving everywhere when they are paying $5 a gallon. they didn’t when they were paying $4 a gallon two summers ago.

by Daedalus on Feb 15, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I know I'm not typical

But I don’t drive at all. If I want to visit friends in Dayton or my brother in Columbus or my aunt in Cleveland, I have to wait until somebody else wants to drive there and hope they let me tag along. With a train, I could get there myself. For people like me, it’s not a matter of alternate transportation, but an opportunity to get around the state at all— and more travelers are good for the economy, right? Personally, I can’t wait for trains.

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not saying the train is a bad idea

mostly that I hope cities step up to the plate and build mass transit so the trains can be really affective in serving Ohio. Which judging by Cincinnati’s long struggle over street cars, I don’t see that happening.

I can just see this failing unless cities do what they have to do to support it.

This kind of goes with why I didn’t like the stimulus bill. They should have broken it down into a lot of small bills, so they could actually be more effective. Like this could be part of a “mass transportation bill” which both builds railroads, and improves mass transit with in cities.

I mean even Chicago is struggling, the CTA is cutting service, bus routes have disappeared this week, and they have cut “el” frequencies. Plus the “el” is in serious disrepair. There are stretches on the north side red line where the tracks are in such bad shape the trains have to slow down to 15 MPH because they don’t have the funds to maintain them.

We needed a true reinvest in America act, not that half baked, rushed, pork fest that we got.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only do we not invest enough in transit in the US

but there’s also pretty much no federal funding for operation and maintenance, only for building new lines.

And our cities are largely held hostage by state governments, which tend to be ruled by suburban and rural dwellers and tend not to like funding urban transit.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

you have Ronald Reagan to thank for that

giving money to cities to build and maintain mass transit was considered “wasteful” by him. Star Wars and building up our military to fight the USSR was much more important, as was tax cuts.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Hi...

But Ronnie was a decent enough president. He wasn’t the greatest fer shur but he was no James Buchanan or G.W. Bush….in fact I may have to do a thread on the 10 worst American presidents.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

as long as you include Franklin Pierce, I'm ok.

I feel like one’s political leaning may greatly influence one’s list.

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I lean pretty hard towards the center.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

then everyone will either love it or hate it

or think it’s ok.

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Mitch'd

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by BK on Feb 12, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Obama will crack the top 5

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by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As he should

Doesn’t make my list yet, b/c his term is not yet over.

But he’d easily crack my Top 5 once out of office, definitely dethroning Fillmore, and possibly getting as high as 3.

Buchanan and Harding were just that awful.

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Obama has yet to actually do anything

which makes him not even close to the worst in my mind.

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by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well wait a minute ( thumbnail sketch)

George Bush Jr. racked up quite a deficit…esp. because he inherited a surplus from Slick Willie. And George Jr. was the guy who signed off on the the original TARP (without very many checks and balances on it). So George Jr’s gang. got 8 years to ruin the economy while Obamarama has only had 1 to try and fix the mess. I don’t have enough information yet to know if he’s going to end up like Jimmy Carter or FDR.

But I do know that he (as of yet) is nowhere near the top ten worst Prezs…but sadly it appears that George Bush Jr. is right up there with Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. I will do a little research and give my 10 worst list out early next week.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

W doesn't even crack the Top 10

Not even close.

Obama, and his drunk sailor on a 3 day pass spending spree, he’s definitely making a strong case for Top 3, and definitely Top 5 at worst.

Nothing pisses me off more than the Obama apologists saying that he needs more time b/c he’s undoing what W did. Utter and complete bullshit. Obama’s done more in less time to make W look like FDR, Lincoln, or Truman compared to him.

Sure, some hyperbole, but Obama’s been that goddamn bad, and W wasn’t as bad as people wanted to make him out to be. It was the complete 180 on foreign policy from Clinton that made W look like such a “different” President.

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 13, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like where this conversation is going

Political pissing matches rarely end up well, and this is shaping up as one.

Everyone mind your manners and remember all politicians pretty much suck.

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by Slyde on Feb 13, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

when you are bad

a mod will issue you a “warning” that will pop up the next time you log on to RR.

I got one for making fun of Brendan’s mom.

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

in my defense slyde

i stayed away from personal attacks, and i used some facts. I really am trying to avoid taking a nasty tone.

by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

does that include

Robert Bowman?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

depends, Slyde.

Is it a pissing contest for accuracy or distance? accuracy sucks, but sometimes it’s fun to see who’s get better distance.

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 14, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

problem is

everyone is pissing into the wind

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by Slyde on Feb 14, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Slyde's urging, I'm not going to detail Obama's shortcomings

I will only agree with him that all politicians do suck, except Rob Portman.

But I do appreciate your response, b/c I can tell you did put some thought into it, and it wasn’t an off the cuff W bash.

Now if the Reds could just get a SS and a LF. Oh wait…

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 14, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i used to be an off the cuff GOP basher

everything Democratic is good everything Republican is bad. Really though the Democrat’s came to power in 2006, and I realized they weren’t a helluva a lot better. Plus I realized that my argument was boring and on par with arguing about sports, with real life consequences.

Trust me I’m not a huge Obama guy, I was a year ago, but I am not completely satisfied with him. I don’t even know if I will vote for the man in 2012, and this is the same guy who went to his convention, went to his inauguration, had signs in undergraduate apartment window…

I am guilty in being caught up in the the hoop-la that made Obama seem like a god to some folks.

I think this article, written by an Edwards speech writer does an excellent job of explaining what is wrong with how Americans, including myself, view politics and politicians.

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Well wait a minute ( thumbnail sketch)

George Bush Jr. racked up quite a deficit…esp. because he inherited a surplus from Slick Willie. And George Jr. was the guy who signed off on the the original TARP (without very many checks and balances on it). So George Jr’s gang. got 8 years to ruin the economy while Obamarama has only had 1 to try and fix the mess. I don’t have enough information yet to know if he’s going to end up like Jimmy Carter or FDR.

But I do know that he (as of yet) is nowhere near the top ten worst Prezs…but sadly it appears that George Bush Jr. is right up there with Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. I will do a little research and give my 10 worst list out early next week.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

who has the majority in Congress?

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by obc2 on Feb 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly the lobbyists

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 15, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

but the thing is

Congress is comprised of 535 individuals with 535 different agendas. More the problem is the Democrats are a fragmented party by nature. There is a huge difference between the out going Evan Byah and John Kerry. The differences between a conservative democrat and liberal democrat in the house are even greater. Plus they don’t have vindictive scary leaders like Tom Delay who can organize the troops.

More and more for Congress to actually function i think both parties need a Tom Delay or LBJ figure who lower ranking members just don’t fuck with. Otherwise Congress is like herding cats. The problem is the Democratic leadership is weak and ineffective and has been governing much like a minority party. I really wish they would wake up and realize they are in charge, and they blowing it. I really wish the President would be tougher on members of his own party. Sadly one of his virtues is also his downfall.

by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus they don’t have vindictive scary leaders

Plus they don’t have vindictive scary leaders : Oh yeah? It doesn’t get scarier or more vindictive than:

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 16, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait for that thread

My Top 10 Worst

1. Buchanan
2. Harding
3. Andrew Johnson
4. Reagan
5. Fillmore
6. Pierce
7. Hoover
8. Tyler
9. Taylor
10. Harrison

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn't be too sure

I mean he was the original G.W. Bush in some ways.

Tax cuts while increasing spending. The US debt level was $900M when he entered office and was $2.8B when he left.

He cut funding from good programs that took care of people and sent it to the black hole of the Pentagon. I am going to go on record and say a great deal of defense spending is wasteful spending. There is no oversight and we have little idea how vital most of those programs are too current national security.

Kucinich claims we trim defense spending by (i don’ t konw how much) and not lose any national security, because the Pentagon is still working on projects from the Cold War era.

by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, then...

We are in total agreement. Mass transit will be an absolute necessity going forward. I guess I’m a little more optimistic about it happening, though. There will be streetcars in Cincinnati in the next 5 years, and (my prediction) one of the first additions to the original plans will be a zippy little line over to Union Terminal to connect all the train riders to downtown. It can be the other end of the line that’s going to go to the new casino.

by the finest muffins on Feb 11, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think mass transit is a must

Oil prices have stopped rising at the rates they were in the summer of 2008, but outside of Chicago in Illinois gas is $2.50/gallon. About 250% more then it was 10 years ago.

As the economy recovers and grows the price of oil will increase again. If cities want to remain a viable place for people to live and companies to have offices and HQ’s in they will need mass transit. As the cost of operating a personal vehicle for a daily commute will become too expensive for most people.

I’m not saying that cars will disappear from the American family, but I do guess we will start to live a more “European” type of life style. Unless we really do find a better fuel then fossil fuels.

I left my car parked in my parents driveway in Hamilton, OH, and only miss it on grocery day.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Oil is still $75 a barrel…three times the price that was considered normal in the past. This despite the worst downturn since the Great Depression.

I also think the worst isn’t over. They didn’t fix the underlying problems with the economy. They just whipped out the government credit cards and charged up a storm. Debt is reaching levels we can never hope to repay. A reckoning will be coming. The only question is when.

If we’re going to run up debt, we might as well use it to build something useful and lasting. Rail is a good choice, IMO, and not just for city dwellers.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

but not yet...
A reckoning will be coming. The only question is when.

Hopefully not ‘til 2012. We’re supposed to win the Series next year.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Feb 12, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

isn't that

when the world is supposed to end?

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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2010 6:39 AM EST up reply actions  

We win the Series in 2011, the Cubs win in 2012

And the world ends on the day of their visit to the White House.

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

so, the Mayans hate the Cubs too?

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Feb 14, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, everyone hates the Cubs

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by jch24 on Feb 14, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Only in Barrington

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 15, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions  

But can I take a car and rent a train?

I want to wear one of those sweet ass hats.

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

O h great - Trains:

Noisy
Uncomfortable
always waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay late
full of indigents (and oftentines Negroes who are now allowed to sit where they please).
full of foreigners
bad food…

What’s not to like

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 11, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

am I the only one

who is rolling on the floor laughing at this?

1 rec

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by johnu1 on Feb 11, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

that is very true

every time i’ve spent more time on the EL to get from O’hare or Midway to my apartment, than on the plane between Chicago and Cincinnati, I realize we need a train system that works.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

be cool

ditch the train and buy a Harley. nothing like Easy Rider style traveling.

"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm more talking about feeder flights

I mean people would still rather drive 45 minutes to their local airport and connect to another flight than 2 or 3 hours to a large fortress hub for a direct flight.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Commuter airlines in general

don’t pay anyone much. If you want the crap scared out of you, watch this.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

watched that the other night

i dont buy it. why should we be angry at the regional carriers? it’s the parent airline’s fault for shirking off safety responsibility. but then, why should we be angry at the parent airlines? it’s the government’s fault for not playing a more active role in enforcing safety standards. but then, the FAA is chock full of former employees of major airlines. who watches the watchmen?

it just seemed like one-too-many “shake your fist at the Man” stories. ive had my fill of that, i guess. and all the while, we’ve had only a handful of fatal commercial plane crashes in the last 10 years. maybe im cynical, but i think air travel is plenty safe enough.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We've only had a handful of fatal commercial plane crashes...

But the risk is much higher on the half-assed regional carriers.

And yes, I agree with you that the main problem is a failure of regulation. As you say, it may not be worth the extra expense to make them safer—but regulators should be making very clear what the additional risks of these carriers are. As it is, they’re allowed to masquerade as the big airlines pretty easily.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 11, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

so one of the problems is that Nantucket Air or whoever the regional is

is flying around wearing Continental’s logo and we dont know the difference? i suppose that would be a problem if i had some greater trust in the Big Boys, but i dont care much for them either. so as it is, that doesnt bother me so much.

the whole thing just doesnt seem important enough for Frontline to bother with. i guess i expect more out of them. the whole time i felt like i was watching Dateline instead.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo Charlie!

Chill, man. Chill.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were the Connelley fan?

I stumbled upon that, figured you’d appreciate it.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yes very much

thank you. i just didnt know how that related to the conversation. now i see. if i had a sack full of dimes i would make sure she rode that horsie all day long.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It didn't

I just figure’d it was your thing. Oh, and now RR is being sponsored by KY INTENSE. Coincidence, I’m sure.

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by Cy Schourek on Feb 11, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I've received 30 emails in the last 10 minutes

of other writers on SBN bitching about the ad. Clearly it’s the worst thing you can find on the internet…

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by Slyde on Feb 11, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The pilot unions have a lot to do with it too

before deregulation Peidmont Airlines (which was eventually bought out by US Airways) had a hub in Dayton, and daily flew 727’s between Dayton and Toledo, and it was profitable.

After deregulation, the government left the market, and airlines had to fly flights that made money without government aid and control. The airlines realized on a flight like Toledo (an outstation) to Dayton (a near by hub) it isn’t feasible to fly a Boeing 727. The pilots at the major carriers refused to fly smaller planes, almost every major carriers pilot union has a “scope clause”. So the airlines had a choice, either continue to fly these short feeder routes with large inefficient aircraft, or outsource to regional feeder carriers.

Plus when the “masquerade” streamlines and simplifies the process. When you purchase a ticket you are informed of the regional carrier that is operating your flight. Plus it simplifies the process in that if you fly Delta/Comair or Delta/Atlantic Southeast Airlines or Delta/Messaba, you go to the Delta check in counter, Delta gate, and Delta baggage claim, and everything is handled by people in Delta uniforms.

Comair was actually one of the first important regional carriers and is a big reason why CVG became a Delta hub.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Comair's great, if you're 5'9" or shorter

Any taller, and you sure as shit don’t fit.

I love when I’m about to board one of those jets and my chin is at the top of the outside of the jet, and I have to severely duck down to get in, and then when I’m walking down the aisle to my seat I have to do so with my head at an awkward angle.

And I’m only 6’1"

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm 6'3" and find most all planes to be teh suck

That’s why I almost always sit near an emergency exit. That’s right RR, your life may be in my hands if we’re on the same flight.

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

You're not by chance going to Mexico in a couple weeks, are you?

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

try Nashville

probably traveling via horse n buggy!

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by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

¿Quieres casarte conmigo, senorita?

Been practicing that one?

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

¡Ay de mi!

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's sad that I had to use google to know what you said :)

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That is sad.

The funny part of going to Mexico is that I’m working mostly with American and Korean kids. I won’t have much opportunity to use Spanish beyond the airport and bus.

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I took German in HS (not that I remember a whole hell of a lot 15 years later)

The extent of my Spanish was yelling “El pollo loco is muy grande!!!” and “El Diablo es en mis pantalones!!!” in the town square of San Juan. I looked up both phrases and memorized them before I left.

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine was

“Donde esta tu mama?”

IAN! I'm on traain!

by andromache on Feb 14, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing pisses me off than seeing short people, especially women, sitting in exit row seats

I look at some of those broads and just know they can’t lift the 47 pound door in case of an emergency.

They should have some sort of height minimum when booking exit row seats.

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Broads?

That is buttist!

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey now

The Peach can easily lift 50-75 lbs and she stands at an imposing 5’1". I do agree though, if you’re going to sit there you damned well better be able to get that door open.

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Most flights I've been on

they’ve really emphasized asking whether the people in those seats are willing to assist others, without making sure that they’re able. Always seems odd to me.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

who cares

you’d be too drunk to open said door anyways. give me a short sober woman any day of the week over a pickled peach combo.

hey, are you 6’3"?

"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch

by obc2 on Feb 12, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have yet to drink on a plane, believe it or not

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It's like going to a ballgame

Who the fuck wants to spend 8 bucks for a can of beer, that’s more often than not room temperature?

Yum!

I think I might start packing multiple containers of 2-3oz of my favorite adult beverage in my carry on. In a clear container, of course.

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the beverage of choice

for packing in 2-3 ounce portions inside a plastic bag?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Feb 12, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever looks the most like my shampoo.

I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71

by ZJiff30 on Feb 12, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Who was it that had their gf stash ziplock baggies of beer/booze in her bra?

"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod

by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

pshaw, like I read that crap

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by jch24 on Feb 12, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

air france - free beer and wine, as much as you want

just ring the flight attendant button…

they look at you funny if you order wine with your breakfast, like suddenly it isn’t only midnight your time.

by Daedalus on Feb 15, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i've had wine and pancakes at 9AM

no shame in that, wine is from a grape making it a juice.

by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that is scary

i’ve drank twice on a plane, but once was in first class.

by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Never met The Peach, hope I get the pleasure

And, I prefaced my rant by “some of those broads”.

Had I said “I look at all of these broads”, then it would have been more far reaching.

by Highlifeman21 on Feb 12, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good luck

Even I haven’t been graced with the Peach’s presence.

"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin

by BK on Feb 12, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know she exists...she's Facebook messaged me

AND I’ve seen pictures.

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

plus I mean in a way flying for a regional airline is a way of paying dues. Pilots gotta build experience some how.

Even if the pilot only makes $20K a year I’m sure he still wants to get out alive.

by justin007000 on Feb 11, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck it..drop out...get your plane driving license

It is a relatively easy gig, decent money and a fiar amount of time off if you play your cards right.

Get one these…and everyone will want to ride on your airplane!

'The secret to chili is you gotta have good mooseburger in there."

Sarah Palin

by Madville on Feb 12, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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