Taveras traded to Oakland!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 12:28 PM EST
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Buster Olney reporting Willy Taveras and Adam Rosales dealt to Oakland for Aaron Miles and a PTBNL. More to come.
Hard to imagine. Wow Walt! What an offseason this is turning out to be. Who would have thought this would happen. With Billy Beane, no less. Addition by subtraction? I guess this answers the question of how Cabrera will fit on to the 40-man roster. This should be a fun discussion, to say the least.
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by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling he's OK with that
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
It's at 24 recs right now
Verka’s piece featuring the debut of El Nino Destructor had 21 recs. Unless I’m missing something else, I think this is the new most-rec’d item in Red Reporter history. And a testament, really, to just how much people didn’t like Willy Taveras.
Someone update the wiki
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by BK on Feb 1, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Toga! Toga! Toga!
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Stop trying to make this into a music thread
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by BK on Feb 1, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
From mlbtraderumors.com
The Reds traded outfielder Willy Taveras and third baseman Adam Rosales to the Athletics today for infielder Aaron Miles and a player to be named later, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. Let’s break down this bad contract swap.
Taveras will earn $4MM in 2010. The speedy 28-year-old was a bust for the Reds in ‘09, hitting .240/.275/.285 in 437 plate appearances. Rosales did not hit well in the bigs either, but he did crush Triple A pitching in 125 plate appearances. Before the season Baseball America said he profiles as a “good utiltyman.” He’s played all around the infield in the minors, and mainly third base last year.
Miles will earn $2.7MM in 2010, though the Cubs sent $1MM to the A’s as part of a December ’09 trade. Like Taveras, he was signed to a two-year deal despite being non-tendered by his former club and proceeded to have a terrible season.
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions
Miles is 33
We suddenly have quite the glut of aging infielders, but I don’t even care. What a day!
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Miles had an OPS of .466 and an OPS+ of 20. 20.
I still don’t care.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Two wrongs make a right!
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 1, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Slyde isn't though.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
A lot easier to eat 2 million than 4 million when you DFA him
philosophically, that is
Miles was some kind of bad last season, but
in 2007 and 2008 he was pretty darned good. He went 2-32-.290 .328 .348 in 2007, then followed in 2008 with a line of 4-31-.317 .355 .398. He’s versatile and is at least acceptable with the glove. In December of 2005, Walt traded Ray King to Colorado for Miles and Larry Bigbie.
I like it.
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I see.
But, what use does he have on the Big League roster? Not that I’m against the deal, mind you, but Janish should be the defensive supersub for infielders. Do you carry 2 guys who can’t really hit for bench bats?
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
does he have any options left?
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For now, Janish and Miles make the club,
unless there is another deal in the works. Janish primarily is a defensive replacemant at SS and 2B. Miles fills in at 2B, SS, 3B and even a little in LF if necessary.
Miles had a lousy 2009 with the Cubs, but I think he can hit enough to be a useful utility guy.
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
So... Janish and Miles on the team.
Sorry, Miguel Cairo. Hope you like Louisville.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Yeah, Walt won a World Series with Miles
And didn’t win dick with Taveras and Rosales. I’m 100% on board with this move.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
If this is true,
then it’s time to break this out again!
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Time to hug my children.
They told me everything would be alright.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
We should send Walt a big poster board
Signed from all of us here at RR
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by Excalib8 on Feb 2, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is actually a really good idea.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Holy cow
Well, there’s our roster move. Heck, we now have an extra spot on the roster.
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Do we?
Getting Cabrera put us over one. We traded away Taveras and Rosales, so that’s under by one, but we got back Aaron Miles, so the roster is full again, no?
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Unless they dfa Miles
If they get cash from the As this would make sense
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by nycredsfan on Feb 1, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're already making a profit in the bargain
To the tune of $1.8M… so an additional $900K or so would even things out. But I still don’t understand getting Miles then if they’re just going to DFA… why not send Taveras, Rosales and $2.7M for a minor leaguer? Is that kind of trade not allowable?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Beane thought he owed Walt for the Mulder heist.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
that gets a rec from me
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
By "even things out"
I meant pay for Miles completely… which would allow the Reds to DFA him without a “cost” attached to it. I think the Reds probably think Miles has some upside still – or else they wouldn’t have asked after him – but he could be justifiably DFA-d with the extra cash.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
You're probably right, esp. since he's played for Walt's teams before
but if they did get 500K or so, they could just DFA him and it wouldn’t cost them much. It would essentially be like losing Rosales for the sake of losing Taveras at no cost.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Again... win, win
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Or better yet
being paid around $2M for Rosales and Taveras (if you equate Rosales and Miles’ production).
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Walt traded 2 negative value guys for a negative value utility guy
And saved us $1.8M in the process. I don’t care if Miles retires to become a priest – it’s a marvy deal.
Miles = Cairo, right?
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
I'd think Miles still has a bit more in the tank than Cairo
and hey, maybe the competition turns one of them into Jeter!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Yankees fans
used to call Cairo the anti-Jeter, or Jeter’s evil twin. They look kind of alike. One had a good bat and a bad glove, the other had a good glove and a bad bat.
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whoa
He looks like a computer-generated picture of what Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez’s baby would look like.
by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Miles would be great trade bait in Fall
If he batted .275/.350/.375 in 2010
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I'm guessing this is a bad contract swap
both GM’s figure they will take a chance on a player who had a terrible year. It is weird that Beane took Taveras who is totally not Beane’s style.
i think that spot is for Frazier :)
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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 1, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty we’re free at last..
now stubbs gets his opportunity!
EdE's defense is as smooth as the other side of the pillow
Incredible
The Reds dumped salary too? Taveras was owed $4M + Rosales @ $400K and Miles is only owed $2.7M for 2010.
If you’re looking at 5 bench spots and 3 are reserved for a backup catcher and two outfielders, then it stands to reason that Miles and Janish occupy the other two spots right now. There going to have to add a righty with some power to the roster.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions
Maybe this was in the works when Walt said they had the room to sign Cabrera
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
probably was
Trades aren’t usually made in a vacuum. There is a lot of long-term planning that goes into player personnel changes.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Must be wheels turning in Oakland, too, then.
The A’s have Travis Buck, Ryan Sweeney and Rajai Davis in the OF. They bring in Coco Crisp, Gabe Gross and Willy Taveras. Has Leatherbritches replaced Billy Beane by the Bay?
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And...
And Michael Taylor (they AAA guy they traded for this year – rated an A- by Sikels)
And Jack Cust (who may, unfortunately, get some outfield time because they traded for an equally bad fielding 3rd baseman in Jake Fox)
No way Travis Buck plays in Oakland this year… again!
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by JJ on Feb 1, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
The A's also DFA'd Taveras just as quick as he got there
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Feb 3, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
And it also seems to point to acquiring Gomes
based on the shape of the roster. Janish and Miles are both weak-hitting middle infielders.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I hear some rumors that Gomes, Reds
… are near a deal.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Does this mean we have Gomes money now?
And I’m not speaking of the minor league salary, I’m referring to the promised incentive bonus for making the major leauge roster. BTW, did that happen already or what?
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YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
I fired up the computer and saw this, and I shouted in joy!!!
We are free of the T-Virus!!!!
Oh happy day.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
So does this
mean the Aaron Miles is Penicillin?
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
So let us analyze
We get Morgan, Billingham, Menke, Armbrister AND Geronimo … and they get, who?
Sorry, but I don’t like this one, Walt. That Rosalito kid, he’s a keeper.
Seriously, if it keeps people off the ledge, this is a good deal.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Rosie is an overachieving hack.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 1, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I have but one rec to give. I wish 'twas more.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
YAYYYYYYYY!
As much man-love I had for Rosales, there couldn’t have been a better way for him to leave.
YEAH WALT!!!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
I didn't like Rosales either!
Win, win.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Rosales is probably the guy the A's wanted
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
What,
did they need his chompers to build a wooden dam by the bay?
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bay Area hipsters love vampires
they’re trying to get butts in the seats
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by Cy Schourek on Feb 1, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With that nose of his, they could ditch the elephant and use him as their mascot
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
backup infielders
become pretty valuable around the end of August for teams that are trying to make a run at it.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
And the Reds have about 7 other guys who could fit that bill if need be.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
welcome to the definition ...
… small market, meat market
sellers not buyers
this is also why I like the OC deal.
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There is a God.....
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Our Walter which art in front office
Hallowed be thy name….
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by jch24 on Feb 1, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Feb 1, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, yeah.
I told you that back during the New Year’s thread. :)
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ARE YOU SERIOUS
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by BK on Feb 1, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
No Virus
and no “love the way Rosales hustles and plays the game the right way” comments from fans and broadcasters?
Happy day indeed
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by jmgard6 on Feb 1, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I was hoping for a release of Willy T...
To actually get something in return for him blows me away!
I’m a little sad to see Rosie go but I can live with it!
I'd like to propose a toast.
Here’s to Willy T…. sucking ass elsewhere.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
/getting wreck'd
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of green in this thread
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
There always are in threads like these
Good news gets green’d. The Aroldis thread(s) are a recent example, but go back and check when Patterson was let go. The first several comments are all green’d, like obc had just passed through town.
Same with Gonzo last August
yiipppeeee!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
i know that's how i would celebrate.
Sonny my pitched my wild
by GrooveLeg on Feb 1, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just pooped.
This is amazing! I love Jocko!
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 1, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is defiinitely good
But don’t forget that Jocketty was the one that brought Taveras in in the first place.
I hope he's mad enough to quit.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'd shit solid gold!
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
I'd shit a solid gold dancer!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Marilyn McDooDoo?
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
I would shit a life-size solid gold Billy Beane.
I have to say, we should also thank our savior, Billy Beane.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
so is his daughter
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
This also clears the way for an OF of
Stubbs
Bruce
Dickerson
and 2 of:
Heisey
Wlad
Gomes(?)
Nix
Could be a decent outfield group!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
That group's collective OBP just went up by 50 points.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
drop Nix it goes up 25 more
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by nycredsfan on Feb 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"What are we going to do with Miles Davis"?
Madville’d
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by BK on Feb 1, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking they'll leave Heisey in Louisville
unless he wins the left fied spot in spring training.
He’s one of our top prospects now. You don’t use him as a bench player. Especially with Dusty in charge.
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I think Gomes will sign
There’s a pretty clear need for his skills on the roster and few other suitors. If that happens, you’d think they’d be unlikely to add Heisey just to be a fifth outfielder, but that means you’re looking at Nix or Anderson.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
he'll sign
But will he make the roster? They’re offering him a minor league deal.
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I'm saying he makes it
because they need a right-handed power bat off the bench. If Wlad starts in right, you’ve got Owings and nothing.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
that's what we thought last year
And somehow, Darnell McDonald ended up on the roster, instead of Gomes.
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McDonald ain't in camp this year
Also, Willy was hurt at the beginning of the year, and Gomes can’t play CF. Of course, leaving Gomes in AAA til the end of May is indefensible.
was Dickerson injured, too?
Without Taveras, I’m thinking the Reds are going to want another guy who can play CF on the roster.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Heisey can play CF
from what I understand.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think Heisey or Wlad wins LF
and Dickerson is the 4th OF/backup CF
Plus Heisey is an average defensive CF
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I would be happy with Heisey in LF
I just have my doubts that the Reds will do that. I imagine they’ll play the clock game, and call him up later.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I thought Heisey was all world in CF
Not saying I believe it, but that’s the word on the street supposedly
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Stubbs is the all world CF, defensively anyway
Heisey hits well, and is passable at all OF positions.
Stubbs is all world defensively
I could have sworn I read over at doug’s joint that Heisey was a poor man’s Stubbs defensively.
I still think Heisey needs another season @ AAA.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not worried about Stubbs
However, it’s the Reds’ job to worry about him, and all the players. I think they’ll want to make sure there’s a backup on the roster, and they don’t seem to think Dickerson qualifies.
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They're stupid!
Stubbs is going to set a record for plate appearances. And if he doesn’t, Dickerson is just fine in CF (don’t the numbers say that?) and that platoon would be nice.
remember last year
They put Darnell McDonald on the roster instead of Gomes, apparently because they wanted a right-handed CFer.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Pssh, that was a whole decade ago
Things are different now! Rosier, ironically.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Stubbs can't get as many PA's
with The OC making 4 outs a game out of the 2 hole.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
I was assuming 6 PA per game...
…assuming that Dustbrain will bat him 2nd (being a SS, it’s mandatory) and that he’ll get 6 PA/G due to our awskums offense. :P
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
PAs
I need to remind you on plate appearances that the hitters need to turn the lineup around. Those of you who wanted Janish in the batting order may want to rethink that notion.
U-turns at first base weren’t getting it done. Let us hope our OC experiment pays off as well.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Dickerson should start in CF
and Stubbs can be our right-handed power bat off the bench (if his power is for real)
Problem solved
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
no way
Stubbs has a much higher ceiling than Dickerson. If he’s on the team, he needs to play every day. You don’t use a player like Stubbs as a bench guy.
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Especially since Stubbs is one of the best defensive CF's in the game.
We know what Dickerson can do (hit only righties and play a good OF, remember cartoons from before Stubbs was born) and can’t do (hit lefties, play a better defensive CF than Stubbs, stay healthy). Why would you limit our young stud CF to hitting only against lefties? That seems foolhardy to me.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
We have to score runs somehow
and I like Dickerson’s chances of helping us than Stubbs.
Stubbs helps us defensively. Offensively, not so much.
Hopefully Stubbs improves his OBP in 2010.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
His minor league numbers indicate that he most likely will
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Stubbs also has a lower basement than Dickerson
We still don’t know what or who Stubbs is offensively @ the MLB level, since he found his power stroke while forgetting how to get on base.
I’d rather Dickerson and Stubbs platoon, which leaves Stubbs as a viable candidate for PH bench duty.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
could not disagree more
Stubbs was a first round draft pick and has been one of the Reds’ top prospects throughout his minor league career. You don’t use a young player like that as bench player. He’ll never develop his full potential that way.
IMO, it’s not fair to judge him on such a small sample size, but if you’re doing that…Stubbs had a better OBP than Jay Bruce, and nearly as much power. Does that mean we should use Bruce as a bench player?
Dickerson has never been projected as anything more than a 4th outfielder. No way will they stunt Stubbs’ development so Dickerson can play.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 1, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I cast my several votes
for Stubbs in center field. Put him there, leave him there, make him get on first base and work on getting him to third base.
After that you paint it and send it off to the Bulgarians.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
right,
and if you are going to look at small-ish sample sizes,
Dickerson last season, in 300 PAs, put up this: .275/.370/.373. Good, but not exactly world-beating.
Plus, he’ll be 28 with an extensive injury history. Not the kind of guy you bench a GG caliber CF who’s still developing (and 3 years younger) for.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
a .370 OBP is just good?
Sounds like a great number for a leadoff hitter to me
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I'm missing your point
You think Stubbs is the next best thing since sliced bread?
It seems to me that Dickerson is our insurance policy should Stubbs not be all that he’s supposedly cracked up to be. Although, I have a feeling we’ll see plenty of lineups with Dickerson in LF and Stubbs in CF, which won’t result in positive offensive production.
Obviously I’m not sold on Stubbs, but I haven’t heard any good argument to convince me that Stubbs will be passable offensively, to go with his awesome D (which I know he does have).
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
not trying to stir up anything here
but I haven’t heard much of a good argument to convince me that dickerson is the better player. Judging stubbs on his (near) sept call-up numbers isn’t doing it for me.
I'm not judging Stubbs by his call up numbers, but rather concerned that his OBP dropped considerably as his SLG increased
If my choice is Stubbs or Dickerson leading off, I want Dickerson, b/c he’s shown he knows how to get on base better than Stubbs, whereas Stubbs needs to remember how to get on base. Stubbs has always been contact challenged, so he needs to take more walks which I’m not sure he’ll easily be able to do in the short run.
I’m not discounting what Stubbs did @ the MiLB level with his OBP, b/c that tells me that he should remember how to get on base. All I know is that Dickerson’s shown us he can get on base.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
How about one player suceeding int he najors, while the other has yet to
If some other guy had put up those numbers, no way NYC and Bubba would have near-religious faith in his future success. Put the name Stubbs on those number and he suddenly DiMaggio with the glove and Rickey Henderson with the bat.
Plenty of people who run these sort of analysts think he’s Mike Cameron. Certainly, that has value, but let’s pretend Drew will be a 10 time All-Star compared to a guy who did the job last season.
I think Mike Cameron is an improvement on Dickerson
at least in his prime.
In any case, we won’t find out if Stubbs is Cameron or a 10-time All-Star if he’s used as a bench player.
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I'm fine with a platoon if
Stubbs plays himself into that role. Otherwise, I give him the starting gig and let him show what he can, or can’t, do. Stubbs has too much potential, and the Reds have too much invested in him, to platoon him now.
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 2, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
yes it does
For a right-handed player. If he were a lefty, it wouldn’t be as bad.
And he needs to learn to hit lefties and righties.
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Stubbs has the chance to be special, whereas Dickerson has pretty much reached his ceiling IMO
I have no problem with C-Dick as an insurance policy, or even as the LF until we find something better. But to suggest he should supplant a prime prospect in CF is just silly.
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I agree
Stubbs has tons more potential than C-Dick….and that is taking nothing away from C-Dick.
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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I disagree.
Stubbs can’t lift himself up and carry himself to first after a walk, a la:
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by ZJiff30 on Feb 2, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What is value of this prime prospect, compared to a guy who CAN do the job
This is Rotissiere. The idea is to win games.
Besides, as usual, the rhetoric regarding the success of one of the Reds prospects is WAY overblown. PECOTA projects a 238/.322/.364 line in 400+ AB’s, i.e. the starting CF. That seems in line with his high K rate and power spike when he got to the majors. Providing he plays good defense, then a 700 OPS is doable, but to suggest he’s “special” is out of line with what he has done.
I don't remember suggesting he IS special
I used the word chance for a reason.
As far a Stubbs vs. Dickerson, what discernable difference is there besides the fact that Stubbs is 3 years younger?
My ideal situation is for Dickerson to be in LF next to Stubbs, not on the bench behind him.
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Look at your comment. it's in the title
Stubbs has the chance to be special, whereas Dickerson has pretty much reached his ceiling IMO
Otherwise, I just the think the Stubbs love is crazy. I think Dickerson should be in a three man LF/CF rotation with Balentin or Gomes.
I will not discuss this with you if you refuse to see the word CHANCE in that subject line and realize the effect it has on my statement
I’m not completely sold on Stubbs either, I want to see if he adjusts and gets better. Also, I’m more of a believer in Dickerson than Balentin.
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Fine. I agree with your ultamatum
Actually, jch, I was piqued by Bubba and NYC than you. Your comment just opened the door to dropping a PECOTA projection on the thread
Projections
Player A
Bill James: .267/.336/.390
CHONE: .251/.328/.380
Marcel: .272/.338/.440
Fans: .264/.337/.386
Player B
Bill James: .276/.372/.429
CHONE: .252/.348/.409
Marcel: .279/.369/.433
Fans: .275/.370/.405
For my leadoff hitter, I want Player B leading off, due to the better OBP history and OBP projections. If I want a guy to bat 6th or 7th, then give me Player A. If Player A and Player B show up in the same lineup, then Player B needs to leadoff, and Player A needs to be lower in the lineup.
That’s been my argument. I just want the guy with the better OBP leading off.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
.320/.367/.382
Would we like this guy leading off? That’s Willy Taveras in 2007. Just flinging it out there for grins.
Stubbs doesn’t have to lead off, but needs to play every day, whether in Cincinnati or in Louisville. If Stubbs starts in CF and bats lower in the order, and Dickerson starts in LF and leads off, I suppose it could be workable.
Then again, what if Heisey is the LF and leads off?
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by Thundering Turtle on Feb 2, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
If Heisey is the LF and leads off...
It wouldn’t surprise me if we saw MLB numbers from him similar to what Stubbs has done @ the MLB level
We’ll see low OBP and decent SLG, which IMO isn’t leadoff material
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
yes, I do
I think any team that uses Stubbs as a bench player at this point in his career deserves to be locked out of the World Series longer than the Cubs.
If they don’t think Stubbs is ready yet, then send him back to Louisville. But do not sit him on the bench.
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No, you play him three times a week. It's called a platoon, Bubba, and Casey Stengal went to the Hall of Fame using them
“ceiling” The Majors is not where you develop players. Stubbs can play and so can Dickerson. The idea is to win, not develop Drew Stubbs. if he wants the job, he can play great defense, get on base (something he did NOT do last season), and hit for power. THEN, he would deserve to get 5-6 starts per week
I don't buy it
Young players have to play every day. It may be grossly unfair, but that’s how it is: the top prospects get regular playing time, at the expense of the role-players.
And I think it’s silly to judge Stubbs on his small sample size last year.
If you’re going to do that, why not put Bruce on the bench for Dickerson? His OBP was lower than Stubbs’.
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Apples and Oranges
Bruce plays RF and is THE RF
CF isn’t set in stone, or at least shouldn’t be.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think it is
That is, I think the Reds are as committed to Stubbs in CF as they are to Bruce in RF. They didn’t draft him in the first round because they saw him a bench guy.
If he’s not ready, send him back to Louisville, but do not make him a part-time player.
And now that Willy T is gone, I don’t think there’s any real competition. The Reds clearly don’t see Dickerson as a full-time player.
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If the Reds clearly don't see Dickerson as a full-time player, then who plays LF?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
good question
I think Heisey is probably penciled in for the future, but they’ll want to start him in Louisville this year, for clock reasons. If he plays well, he’ll be called up around June 1.
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Right now the Reds website depth chart has Dickerson as the LF
Dickerson – Stubbs, – Bruce
With Nix backing up Dickerson, with Balentien backing up Bruce
Should prove interesting if that stays the case
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
That's horrible.
Nix shouldn’t be on our radar. He’s 13th on the OF talent chart, IMO.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
He's fine as a 5th OF
Anything more than that, and this team’s got problems (more so than they already do)
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds depth chart means nothing
Bubba Crosby was the right fielder on their depth chart in 2007 at this time of year. He didn’t even make the 25-man roster.
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If that happens, I will take you to Stadium myslef, buy you the 9 beers and proclaim my love for Andy Petitte as loud as I can until I get thrown out
the reds have at least three players who played left LAST year under major league contract and Todd Frazier. Barring a large trade or a bus accident, there’s no place for Heisey in the OF until rosters expand*
*which isn’t to say he sucks or will never be good, just that for the beginning of this year through the All-Star break, these guys, these “so what we had only 23 healthy players for a week last year, because we didn’t want to make a move” guys, won’t make that move.
Andy Pettitte
has hips and lips like a girl.
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Bubba is COMPLETELY right.
How the fuck are we supposed to develop our first round players if we bring them to the majors, then only start them twice a week? That’s such a silly idea that I can’t believe you guys are even floating it.
Then on top of it, you guys are using a rookie’s partial season numbers for comparison, ignoring his minor league tendencies in favor of believing that his small sample in MLB is from what we can extrapolate his potential. That’s not only anti-sabermetric, it’s myopic and foolhardy.
What’s more, Dickerson is a passable MLB player, not a star. He’s proven that, and is already on the decline age-wise. He’ll likely only get worse. Add in that Dickerson can’t stay healthy. And that he can’t hit lefties.
Let Stubbs play, and if he doesn’t adjust well by the end of June, THEN you can discuss what is best for him and the organization, be it AAA for more seasoning or playing only against those he’ll do well against. I’m blown away that we’re actually having this conversation, to be honest.
Willie Mays started his career 0-for-12. Eric Davis started 2-for 23 with 0 HR. Barry Larkin didn’t hit his second homer until his 128th plate appearance. And Larkin had an OPS of .656 against righties his rookie year. Stubbs clearly has good potential, you have to let him achieve it. Otherwise you’re sacrificing the career development of one of our top prospects in favor of…gosh, I guess it’s in favor of trying to score a handful of more runs (which may not pay off AT ALL) and sacrificing GG defense at an important position in favor of an older, injury-prone player whose ceiling is as a platoon player. That makes no damn sense.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I'd definitely argue that we brought up Stubbs too soon
in which case he should get some more time in AAA since he clearly didn’t set the world on fire when he was down there…
I’m not using his partial MLB stats to compare anything, but to say that his OBP dropped in his limited MLB time, as opposed to his good OBP numbers while in the minors. I just want his OBP to be at least .370 if he’s going to leadoff. If he’s not going to leadoff, then I care about his SLG, which was decent to good in his limited MLB time.
And while Stubbs has the defensive edge over Dickerson, Dickerson has a big offensive advantage, so when you combine offense and defense Dickerson is the better player. I just want the better player right now, as opposed to who has the better upside (which is Stubbs).
What’s so bad about wanting the current best player playing CF?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
If I recall
They went to great pains to bring Stubbs along very gradually. They didn’t rush him at all. I’m perfectly happy with him in CF. I don’t know if he’s necessarily the best candidate to bat leadoff, but he doesn’t do an embarrassing job there either.
His AAA numbers didn't say "promote"
Not in the least bit, IMO
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
588 PA in AAA
.269/.374/.359 for an OPS of .731. That’s not stellar. But add gold glove defense, and I’d take that from our everyday CF.
But with Willy and C-Dick hurt last year, his call-up was needed. That he did well is a testament to his ability to adapt, which bodes well for the future – assuming you don’t let him rot on a bench and fuck with his head. Why would you do that to a potential all-star for a marginal gain for one year?
And FWIW, Don Mattingly didn’t develop power until he reached the majors.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
What happened to Stubbs from 2008 to 2009 in the minors?
3 levels in 2008, and had an awesome 84 PAs @ AAA. Then 2009 happens, and 472 PAs later @ AAA he’s watching his OPS drop from .834 to .713 @ AAA. Did AAA pitching catch up to him? Did we expose his contact issues? He actually increased his BB% and decreased his K% from his 2008 AAA numbers to his 2009 AAA numbers, so what happened?
I’m just trying to understand who and what Drew Stubbs really is. I want him to be all that he’s supposed to be as a 1st Round Draft pick, and win multiple GGs, but I just want him to not be a liability at the plate, which right now he’s borderline, IMO.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
When drafted, he was touted as having "light tower power"
With that power will come some holes in his swing. While he was in the high minors, he was instructed to work more on making contact, and as a consequence, his power all but disappeared. It seemed to come roaring back in the majors last year.
You’re right, he’s a bit of an enigma, or at least not a certainty as to what we’ll get at the plate. But unlike you, I’m not worried at all about him.
Plus, I’ll look forward to having Gomes in LF to provide solid slugging numbers.
I'd be surprised if they brought Gomes back
But then again recently I’ve been wrong far more than I’ve been right.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
it's supposedly getting closer to happening.
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What’s so bad about wanting the current best player playing CF?
What’s so bad about it is that you’re mortgaging the future to do it. The marginal potential gains for one year are not worth fucking up the development of one of our potential future stars. Which is exactly what you are proposing, despite the current roster being only a marginal playoff candidate.
And lineups are decided by our mentally challenged manager, not by Stubbs’ development timetable.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Right, assuming Dickerson matches his career line so far, and Stubbs only OPSes .730 or so
with the defensive difference between the two, you are talking about maybe a half win to win difference over the course of the season, and that’s assuming Dickerson stays healthy, which he almost never has been able to do.
So then next year Dickerson will be 29, past his defensive prime, with a former #1 pick with no significant MLB experience trying to step in the midst of (hopefully) a playoff calibre team. Let the kid play. If he sucks in June, then we can talk.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
So what if he does suck coming into June 2010?
Then what?
If we’re ridden him that far, chances are we’re out of it, since we need a lot of things to really go right in 2010 to sniff the WC.
I don’t see what’s wrong with having 2010 be an audition for 2011. Lord knows we have plenty of OF to sort out.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm mortgaging the future b/c I don't think Stubbs is ready for MLB pitching?
Instead of letting him learn on the job for the Reds, I’d rather him play everyday vs AAA pitching, and then bring him up once he’s proven he’s ready, which IIRC he only came up last year b/c we had injuries (remember, they wrecked our 2009!)
Does if fuck up Stubbs’s development if he’s overmatched against MLB pitching in 2010 and has to go back down to AAA? Or if they don’t send him down, they just bench him? There’s a lot of variables to properly developing Stubbs.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 2, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
if he doesn't do well, I don't think sending him back to AAA with a focus on what he needs to work on
is a bad thing at all, development-wise. Saying that you’re not going to give him a shot at the majors to play an older, injury-prone platoon guy after you’ve shown some success at the MLB level is what could really fuck with his mind, IMHO.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
It is mond boggling to me...
….to suggest C-Dick should start over Stubbs….no offense.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
It is true that C-Dick is not as good offensivley as Stumps
But to say no offense is well offensive
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I said POTENTIAL star.
And that’s a moniker you can attach to any first round pick.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Or you hope you can attach to any first round pick
As opposed to calling that first round pick a Gruler or a Howington, or a Wagner or an Espinosa, or a Larson or a Nitkowski, or an Oliver or a Mottola.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You tell'm Pete
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Bullshit
Comparing Stubbs, aka Mike Cameron, to Mays, Davis, or Larkin is ridiculous
Sickels said this in 2008
I suspect I will keep Stubbs at Grade B- in the 2009 book. We still have unanswered questions here. The defense and speed are going to carry forward to the majors. But strikeouts and batting average are still concerns, and it is still unclear how much home run power he’s going to develop. The power spike in Triple-A is interesting, though again with a 19 game sample size it’s hard to conclude that something real changed. It could just be statistical variation, though the fact that his production didn’t decline is certainly a good marker.
That’s eerily similar to what happened when he came up to the majors from Triple A.
Last year at Triple A, Stubbs OPS’s .713! How’d Milly Mays do at Triple A? Oh yeah, he never played there.
Point is, petey, the Reds have two guys who can play CF and one is better defensively and the other gets on base on a team which lacks guys who get on base. Arguing that unproven player should win the spot because he was highly drafted and the other player has less value because “his ceiling” is lower does nothing for scoring runs in 2010 and is once again the sign of giving up on a season that may or may not be worth giving up on (prior to ST).
in that vein, I found this fascinating:
Player A minor league line .284/.336/.499
Player B minor league line .269/.367/.415
Player A is Corey Patterson, player B is Stubbs before 2009’s .268/.353/.360 dropped his numbers slightly.
Hell, Corey was 22 when he was called up to the Show to play full time. Imagine what they thought his “ceiling” was?
Is Drew Stubbs Corey Patterson? Probably not. Is he Willy Mays? Probably not. Is he the second best fielder on this team in Feb of ‘10. Probably so. He should split the time and win the job. It’s perfectly possible to do. Votto did from Hatteburg. Gomes did from Dickerson. Larkin did from Stillwell.
by timb116 on Feb 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stillwell?
Everyone knows that he had consensual relations with Marge to get his playing time.
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If that's the requirement, then I'm game
That’s how much i wish I could hit or throw
Um, you know she's, um, not, um, alive.....right?
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to get a MLB career, even as good as Kurt Stillwell's modest one...
I’d do all sorts of horrible things.
Unforgivable things.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
It would have to be a multiyear deal for me, with a player option tacked on
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Signing bonus money, up front!
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Did I tell you that as part of the deal you have to kiss her?
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I've kissed worse
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by jch24 on Feb 4, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say where...
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I stand by my statement.
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by jch24 on Feb 4, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
It’s not to say Stubbs won’t one day eventually be better than Dickerson, but right now he’s not.
If the Reds are serious about 2010, then they need to look at the guy for CF that gives them the best combination of runs saved (defense) & runs scored (offense). Although Stubbs has the defensive advantage, Dickerson clearly has the offensive advantage.
Unfortunately, the Reds cannot give us a lineup with both Stubbs & Dickerson in it. It’s either one or the other. Playing Dickerson in LF doesn’t give us hardly any defensive advantage b/c LF defense just plain does not matter. That’s why we can play guys like Gomes out there, and they don’t hurt us.
Stubbs is our long-term solution if he can swim, but we don’t know that answer yet.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
And we won't know that answer if he's riding the pine in the majors.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
He's not riding the pine if he's in a platoon
or if he’s playing everyday @ AAA
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
he is riding pine if he's in a platoon
If he only plays against left-handed pitchers, he’ll be playing a couple of times a week.
If they’re going to send him to AAA, I don’t have a problem with that. But using him part-time – that, I have a problem with.
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Triple A
Is where you face a decent pitcher every 10 days, are in a lineup that changes every 48 hours and proves little else. You go up against a couple of AAA stiffs and you can boost your BA about 50 points in a weekend. But it’s better than being on the bench, I think.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I disagree on the every ten day thing
there are some quality guys on every AAA team. and their rotations are sometimes bolstered with developing talent from AA during the year. Stubbs would be getting valuable experience, and I’d have no problem sending him to AAA if we had a clear better option, but we don’t really.
Well way back in the old school day
that’s how a lot of young guys were worked into the lineup.
But time apparently have changed.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Some things improve over time:
Baseball player development, wine, cheese, Madville’s stool consistency, programming on the Travel Channel, Penelope Cruz, internet porn access, home coffee devices, Prius braking systems, and many other things.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Consistency
AND frequency !
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I dont have a problem with dickerson as the CF
if thats the way the reds want to go with it then fine, but send stubbs to AAA if thats what they decide to do.
What I think they should do is give stubbs a chance at the starting job. for starters, he’s paid his dues so far in the minors, they moved him a long fairly slow for a #1 pick out of college. secondly, he had some success last yr in the bigs and looks to be a possible every day starter in CF. thirdly, we’re a borderline playoff team at best this yr, I’m not saying give up on the year, but it’s much more realistic to think next year will be a better chance, we need to find out what we have in stubbs. and fourth, there is no guarantee that Dickerson hits well enough to be a starter, if both struggled, then stubbs defense would be way more valuable than dickerson’s.
and I think saying “LF defense just plain does not matter” is completely false. no its not something that’s important, but it will be a really nice advantage to have a good defensive OFers at all three spots. Do you not remember Adam Dunn?
I remember Dunn
Remember him well, actually.
His bat trumped, shadowed, undid, pick a positive verb anything his glove in LF detracted.
LFers get near, if not, the least amount of TC a year in the field, so their defensive contributions or shortcomings are damn near moot.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think his bat trumped it as well
but his defense in left kills his value, if you have a guy who can make outs more than someone else it makes a difference no matter where you are on the field. outs save runs from getting scored on you, even a small number of total chances (thats what TC is right?) are still chances and opportunities to eliminate a baserunner and/or keep a team from scoring.
I know LF def isn’t as important, I’m only saying that you can’t just ignore it.
TC does not include balls you don't get to...
…that become hits followed by a weak-ass off-line throw to second that’s four steps too late to prevent a double.
But you’re right, LF defense means little in the grand scheme, unless it’s egregiously horrific. IIRC, the St. Louis Browns in the 1940’s had a catcher with a wasted arm that they stuck out in left, and he used flexible tubing under his uniform to make a sort of slingshot that hurled his arm (harder than he could) to make weak-ass throws back to the infield.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Can you find that story? Or do you have more info so I can find it?
Not that I don’t believe you, I just find it really interesting. Did the league not step in at some point and say “hey, no cyborgs!”?
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It's in Veeck as in Wreck
Perhaps the greatest baseball book ever written. I can’t oversell it – it’s amazing, and only $10. And if you haven’t read it, I will pay for your copy if you don’t like it.
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I'll give it a run, thanks!
I’m currently (finally) reading The Soul Of Baseball.
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I didn't compare Stubbs to those guys.
I gave examples of how even the best players don’t necessarily start out in MLB like gangbusters, while refuting HL21’s claim that Stubbs should be partially condemned for his MLB partial-season rookie numbers because they don’t more perfectly compare to his minor league trends.
I see nothing that points to C-Dick necessarily doing better than Stubbs offensively this year. Stubbs might well exceed C-Dick’s best season if given a full year. I also have no interest in mortgaging the development of our starting GG CF in the years 2010-2015 so we can play an injury-prone, less capable defensive player for the POTENTIAL advantage of less than 1 win only in 2010.
If Stubbs tanks early, we’ll send him back to AAA for some seasoning. But you gotta give the man a chance until he fails. The benefits are too great to “lay up” by starting C-Dick and benching Stubbs. There are merely negligible, arguable advantages to playing C-Dick.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
I like chris Dickerson a lot.
He may well end up in CF. But I just can’t see a higher ceiling for him than where he is now. And he’s what 38-29 yrs old(?)…The job is Drew’s lose.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I made no claim that Stubbs should be condemned for his small MLB sample size in 2009
I did, however, say that he was a completely different guy at the plate in his cup of coffee than what we’d come to expect from him in the minors.
I want to see more of Stubbs to figure out who the Hell and what the Hell he is at the plate. I just don’t think that audition needs to happen in 2010 if the Reds are truly serious about trying to contend.
And we need to stop making it sound like Dickerson plays a Gary Matthews, Jr or a Dexter Foxler, or a Vernon Wells CF to Stubbs playing like Nyjer Morgan or Franklin Gutiierrez or Rajai Davis in CF. UZR and UZR/150 shows us that there’s only marginal improvement defensively from Dickerson to Stubbs. Like I keep saying, factor in the more proven bat, and Dickerson’s a better CF option for 2010. Given we don’t have a LF, we’ll most likely see Dickerson in LF and Stubbs in CF which is good for Stubbs developing, yet bad for the Reds offensively.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dickerson in LF and Stubbs in CF which is good for Stubbs developing, yet bad for the Reds offensively.
You don’t know that Stubbs won’t out-perform Dickerson offensively as a starter in 2010.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Nor do you know that Stubbs will out-perform Dickerson offensively as a starter in 2010
Name your terms, I’m game for a bet
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
The double cheeseburger is the only burger I've had from that joint
and it used to be good….
I do not know this Oliver Burger of which you speak.
If you want a real punishment, loser has to eat a Quatman’s cheeseburger
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe they opened a Quatman's in Mason
Keep your shitty food down in Norwood
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I ain't flyin' to Cincinnati to eat shitty food.
But I do miss a lot of the food from back home.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the Menu from the Norwood location
$439 for chicken liver is a tad high…
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
The side of the page cut off the mock turtle soup
What gives, Maddy?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 4, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I do not know...
This menu however looks like it was originally put in place circa 1962…only the prices have changed.
BTW
It is time for another RR BBQ fest…too bad Squatman’s doesn’t offer any…
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
It's coming soon, look for a fanpost tonight
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Just keep it mock,
for my sake, please.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 4, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Can't believe they're selling naked pictures of me.
I would be outraged if I weren’t so flattered.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 4, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What's so special about it?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm sure that most of them
are of me pole-vaulting, sans stick.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Sounds painful
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
We'll never know
unless both of them are starters for at least 120g.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
And I have a feeling Stubbs will get closer to that number than Dickerson
since for the last 2 years the Reds have not played Dickerson, even when healthy
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly would have liked to get a better look at everyday C-Dick
but Can’t-Adjusty Baker prefers to go down with the ship rather than change course.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 3, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
what you have been avoiding this entire convesation
is the fact that Dickerson cant be an everyday CF. he cant be an everyday anything. he simply cannot/has not/will not hit left-handed pitching. so if you want Dickerson to be your CF, you need a guy who can pick up the 30% of the ABs that he cant. that would mean finding another OF who can hit lefties and play CF, because Stubbs should not be that guy. he needs to play everyday, either in Cincy or Lville.
dont get me wrong though, i really like Chris Dickerson. his OBP skills are second to only Votto on the current team. dude is a freak athlete with a fantastic eye and a bit of a pop in his bat. he’s a valuable player to have on your team. championship-caliber teams would jump at the chance to have a guy like him as their 4th OF.
but you have to make the decision. do you start Dickerson in CF, ,knowing full well that you need to get someone else to pick up the ABs against lefties (lest you stunt Stubbs’ growth and make him the short-handed platoon partner), or do you go with Stubbs and keep Dickerson as your world-class 4th OF? im not saying it’s an easy decision (it isnt), but starting Stubbs in CF is just the simplest of possibilities. sure, he is a bit of a downgrade offensively, but from a roster management standpoint it’s just easier this way. occam’s razor.
and an argument could be made (has been made) that though it has the short-term effect of not maximizing run production, it very possibly has the exact opposite effect long-term.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Right
regardless of Dickerson’t perceived current superiority to Stubbs (still don’t buy it) he is not an everyday player. He can’t hit lefties and he can’t stay healthy.
He is the definition of a 4th OF. I think his ideal role this year would be to start 2-3 times a week, and be the first LH PH off the bench, as well as a LIDR in left field. He’d get 10-15 PAs a week, stay fresh and (hopefully) healthy, and possibly be the most valuable 4th OF in the league.
Alternatively, he could be a platoon partner with Gomes in LF. I’d be ok with that, since both guys have such severe platoon splits.
Also, don’t be fooled into thinking Dickerson is even close to Stubbs in CF. You can’t look at either of their UZR numbers, because both have such a small sample size. Looking at their TotalZone numbers from the minors reveals a MUCH larger difference. Add to that the consensus among scouts that Stubbs was the best centerfielder in AAA this year, and you have a far superior defender
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
i wouldnt go so far as to say "far superior"
Dickerson was known as easily the best defensive outfielder in the organization until Stubbs came along. Dickerson is a solidly above-average defensive CF. Stubbs though could be incredible. he’s better, but it’s not a blow out.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 3, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of TotalZone
And UZR & UZR/150 needs a little more consistent methodology (cuz I mean tweaking your formula(s) every year or two is cool, right?) before I really buy into it. At least UZR & UZR/150 works as a contextual comparison, but even I don’t believe it’s the end all be all of defensive metrics.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
So, it's okay for Dickerson to start three times a week, but not okay iof Stubbs starts three times week
Seems to me, what I suggested was that they platoon with Stubbs playing 40% of the time. Seems to me, you think Stubbs should start with C-Dick playing 40% of the time. So, we’ve spent a week arguing over who starts on Sundays.
Leaving aside the generous scouting reports and comparisons and 713 OPS’s in the minors, we’re arguing over Sundays and about 2 guys vying to be the combined 8th best center-fielders in the NL?
I need a new hobby until ST starts and Dusty announces Laynce Nix has won the CF job outright.
Platoons blow
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Casey Stengal
you remember him? He was a sophomore when your graduated high school, proved long ago that they do not.
Tony LaRussa proves again that they do not. He only hits Pujols against lefties, I think and that’s why albert puts up such great numbers
times have changed since Casey was at the bat
LaLoser can fucking blow me.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I didn't say 2-3 times a week in CF, I said 2-3 times, period.
Get 1 in CF and 1-2 in LF, and he’s good.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Stubbs playing less than 80% of the time is a waste, IMO.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Start him at the MLB level
and see what happens C-dick ain’t going nowhere nor will he be getting any better or worse.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I could have sworn I said to platoon them, b/c Dickerson can definitely handle RHP, and Stubbs can go against LHP
I think right now it’s more important for Bruce to get everyday PAs vs both RHP & LHP, so I wouldn’t be upset with a double platoon of Dickerson & Nix (gasp!) vs RHP, and Stubbs & Balentien vs LHP, although I have a feeling the masses want a platoon of Dickerson & someone who can hit LHP in LF, and have Stubbs play everyday unless he proves he cannot.
Unfortunately, I don’t think that if we want to compete in 2010 we should pin our hopes on Stubbs cutting his teeth as essentially a rookie. It honestly seems unfair to Stubbs, no?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 3, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I love the fact that
Willy Taveras is not mentioned at all in this debate.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Feb 3, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
you have to remember
Volquez will more then likely open the season on the 60 day DL, so they may only want him on a minor league deal so that they can promote him to big league roster when Volquez is moved to the 60 man. Plus it wouldn’t be shocking if Bray also opens on the 60 day dl.
If we sign Gomes...
…we have an OF of Stubbs, Bruce, Gomes, Wlad, and Dickerson. No need for hacks like Nix and Anderson.
Assuming they sign Gomes, you’d have Stubbs and Dickerson to play CF, and Bruce can play there in a pinch.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
I forgot all about Anderson
Maybe Beane will trade for him too…..
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
What skills does Gomes possess that the Reds cannot do without?
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's the former that the team needs. But the latter is what my heart craves.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
You can't really put a price on sombrero wearing skills
A player either has it, or they don’t.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Fucking-A
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I love that second picture.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
A tweet from Susan Slusser....A's beat writer
I’m told the A’s are [not] expected to hang onto Taveras for long, he’s not in their plans."
So Beane hasn’t gone completely off the deep end. Obviously about getting Rosales. So the A’s just gonna release him, or do ya think Beane has another sucker in his back pocket that will take Taveras?
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
It matters not,
says I.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Scenario
It’s the bottom of the 18th, Game 7 of the World Serious, and on the mound for the Redlegs, Arnonn Harng, the cg machine, trying to protect a 1-0 lead that was given to him on a two-out homer in the top of the inning by Joey Jay Bruce Cabrera.
There are two outs and up to the plate for the Yanquis steps Willie (Mays Hays) Taveras.
Harannge looks in to his catcher, Yonder Alonzo, for the sign.
Here’s the pitch …
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
...so you are Madvillle, right?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
If they just drop him
then they’ve essentially paid at least $1.3M above league minimum for Rosales. That seems like a pretty weird move.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
But like Olney said in his post
the A’s tried hard to get Jamey Carroll earlier in the offseason for about 7 times what Rosie will cost
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
The A's are kind of strange
They’re the ones who traded for Denorfia when he had just had TJ surgery and was going to be out for a year.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
But they traded a pitcher who wasn't in their plans to get him.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
a couple
We got the soul-sucker, as well as Marcus McBeth.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You can't make this stuff up
From obc, since I’m his secretary:
“Team just got worse…”
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
bwaaaa hahahahahahahahahha!
epic analysis fail
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Oh it was, I assure you
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I can sympathize
I don’t agree, but I can sympathize.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Give Miles some high socks, he'll be in obc's heart immediately
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
i'm getting the same texts
“Miles is horrrrrible” “he’s worse than Royce Clayton” “I’m and A’s fan now. Billy Beane is a genious”
by 'tHan on Feb 1, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever
Don’t care
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though
Did he really expect the Reds to get anything of value for junk like Rosales and Taveras. Really?
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have been happy with....
…..a bag full of used dildos for the T-Virus……
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Feb 1, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
ditto
…
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Feb 1, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a huge upgrade
We’d go from having a player who couldn’t sniff first base if he tried to sniffing third base whenever we wanted
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Green.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Proud of you.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
I'm ashamed to say it took me a while to get this, because I couldn't get away from thinking about baseball
but rec’d
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
He's just being obc
The man bought a Rosales jersey and it wasn’t for irony’s sake.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'M SOOOOOOO HAPPY!!!!!!
I take back everything I said about Rosie yesterday … this is awesome. Oh, I think I just peed a little!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
care to refresh us
on what you said about Rosie. I mean, the man has feelings.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I just said that if Rolen went down -- there's no way
Dusty wouldn’t play Rosie, despite the fact that Janish or Frazier would be better options. I wasn’t saying anything personally bad about Rosie, just that he at third and Cabrera at SS would be one of the worst left-sided infields in MLB.
Now, I don’t have to worry about any of that!
I was playing doom and gloom. And now I’m awake and partying.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's official
Jockettey quote:
“I’m happy to be reunited with Aaron, who played a key role in our World Series championship in St. Louis,” said Jocketty, who will be available to the media today at 3:00 p.m. in the field level interview room at Great American Ball Park. “He’s a quality infielder, a quality person and will be an asset to our club.”
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
where did you find that?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Jamie Ramsey's blog
Reds assistant media director. He already has a photoshopped mug of Miles in Reds jersey and hat.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't sound like a DFA.
I won’t let that bring me down today.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Honestly,
Gomes+Miles>>>>>Taveras+Rosie
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Zero >>>>> Taveras + Rosie
I honestly hope Miles doesn’t don a Reds uni, since we have Miguel Cairo, Drew Sutton, Chris Valaika, and Paul Janish to play super IF backups, and we have END who can play some 3B.
We took Miles as a salary dump so we could send The Virus to the A’s for a salary dump. All it cost us was Rosales, who shouldn’t see major playing time anyway.
I’m sure the people that love (s)crappy players who hustle will dearly miss Rosales, though.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 1, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind him being DFA'd at all, but listening to Walt today, it ain't gonna happen
OTOH, Walt also said Janish would play a lot still, so Miles figures to be a LIDR/pinch hitter at best
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
"Walt also said Janish would play a lot still"
I’ve heard that before…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
true, but he made a point of saying he talked to Dusty about it and he wanted him to get more playing time so he could continue to develop
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I hope you're right
But I can’t help remembering Dusty talking last year about Janish was the SS of the future, and how he could play any position…then burying him on the bench so deep we crossed his name off the team roster here at RR.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah the AAA club
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Miles was really not all that bad until last year in limited PA.
Career .282/.322/.356/.678 is fine for a bench guy that should only see 200 PA this year. Clearly better than Taveras or Rosales, and cheaper, and in the last year of his contract?
In Walt I Trust!
Miles had injuries to throwing elbow and shoulder
which limited him. Who cares if he contributes anything? Reds save $1.3 million and get T-Virus away from Dusty. Life is good.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty much agreeing.
Poor Dusty, right?
I’m just saying he has the chance to be mediocre in a pinch if he trends back to his career numbers.
According to Mark Sheldon
Willy’s already been DFA’d by the A’s
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I just saw that
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Basically, the As were already on the hook
For $2.7 million and Miles. They pay an extra $1.3 million (and a PTBNL) for the honor of employing Rosales.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I still think it'll be cash
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
greatest move of the offseason Beane
one more year Brett Favre!
let's give Rosales a little group hug love here
Maybe he is going to be the next Mark DeRosa.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Jchjarjarbinkslovechild
Billy Beane actually knows what he’s doing. Brilliant move to DFA Taveras within moments of acquiring him.
Miles is going to be historically bad. Wait for it.
by Ewok on Feb 1, 2010 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is just gold
If you’re going to comment from your phone why don’t you use your regular account? Or do you not know the password? :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I've been away for awhile
who is this? obc? And why is he shitting all over this glorious glorious day?
RR: Proud home of the most mods in SBNation.
mobile red reporter doesnt like my regular account password...odd
and work firewall blocks any sbnation log in attempts.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I would buy a ticket to watch him try
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Feb 2, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
is he going to get 437 PAs and OPS .559?
cause that’s what Willy did last year
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
true dat
but Willy wasnt gonna sniff 250 PA’s in 2010. i got a hunch Miles gets around 300.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
That's far too many
but it is Dusty, I suppose.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
300 PA's is completely illogical
but i can see it happening. a 35 yr old SS and 3B are prone to missing games. and Miles is gonna PH almost every game.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
wow
just, wow
(and rec’d)
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Beane has gone off the deep end
seriously what the hell is he thinking
one more year Brett Favre!
Maybe
they’re going to stash him in the minors, and hope he plays well enough to generate some trade interest.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
damn...
poor tavera—-hahahahahaha… no i couldn’t do that with a straight face
Sonny my pitched my wild
i bet Taveras signs with the Twins
one more year Brett Favre!
hopefully the cubs or cardinals
one more year Brett Favre!
Wait, does that mean they paid $1.6 million to acquire Adam FREAKING Rosales?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Oh yeah
I forgot about Rosales $300 grand
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
more if they send cash instead of the PTBNL
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
BTW, has anyone guaged the reaction over at Athletics Nation? I would have a pitchfork and butane torch in hand if I were them.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
They aren't that mad, it seems
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
wow
Has anyone enlightened them re: Rosales?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I joined athleticsnation
to fill them in. But the dumb web site won’t let me comment for 24 hours.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
They seem to be smoking crack, then.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that will give you plenty of time
to evaluate the Jonny Gomes deal that hasn’t happened yet but will.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
One comment called him the next Marco Scuturo(?).....
…..or however you spell his name
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
From what I've read so far on their site
They seem cautiously optimistic about Rosales. Poor deluded bastards.
I expected more consternation over there, too.
They’re just kind of befuddled about having 37 outfielders on the roster.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
maybe they're as happy to get rid of Miles
as we are to get rid of Taveras.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Looking around on A's blogs, that seems to be the case
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
I’m fine with picking Miles up though. He’s a lot cheaper, and he’s behind a lot more entrenched talent in the infield. I do this deal ten times out of ten. Top marks for Walt!
exactly
plus, we don’t have 5 better options for a backup infielder like we do in the OF.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Miles was terrible last season
But he was also batting shoulder and elbow injuries. And he’s a sucky bench player that Dusty won’t be tempted to play ahead of Stubbs in CF.
Addition by subtraction….Dusty-proofing the roster.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
You mean OPS+
And that was in 170 PAs. Even with that season, his OPS+ over the last four seasons is in the low 80s. Hopefully, he has no chance of playing much, but if he does there’s a decent chance he’ll do better than an OPS+ of 20.
Then again, he is 33.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
He'll play third a lot when the China Doll goes down
And, he’ll be okay. he is not terrible
yeppers
his most recent OPS+ seasons
20
99
76
74
65
72
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
would you be doing this, if it were "anyone else plus Taveras"
seriously, it’s a minor trade and, given the choice of allowing Dusty the choice of playing Dickerson if Stubbs slumps instead of Taveras and the choice of seeing if he can work a recently productive back-up infielder into a rotation with four veterans,
I’ll take the latter.
300 AB’s to Miles versus 300 AB’s to Taveras and Rosales (esp when Rosales is blocked by Rolen, Cabrera, and Votto) is win/win for the team
that could not ever be possible
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
They seem to be OK with it
They all drink the Beane Kool-Aid over there, and think Miles sucks and Rosales is good….pretty funny.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
And they gave up
a PTBNL too…..with the $1.6M….for Adam freaking Rosales.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
can you imagine how that phone call went? probably something like--
hey walt!—
-hey billy, what can i do for you?
-well, i really want adam rosales.
-is that a fact?
-yes, i REALLY REALLY REALLY want him…
-well i would need a utility infielder in return, and we’re not looking to spend a lot since we have janish on the bench… tell you what, let’s throw in willy taver
-FUCK no…
-now hear me out…
-HOW DUMB DO YOU THINK I AM, WALTER?
-after the whole ben sheets thing… well nevermind all that… either it’s rosales and taveras or no rosie for you…
-who do you want in return?
-miles. my boy.
-fuck me…
-ehhhh?
-fine…
-atta boy, billy!
-do you think taveras is due for a bounce back year?
(walt laughs hysterically as he hangs up the phone)
Sonny my pitched my wild
by GrooveLeg on Feb 1, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought I had it sewn up too
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
He cut him so fast
You’d think he was from South Milwaukee.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
And green'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Beane: I traded for who? Fuck! Designate him now!
by Brian B on Feb 1, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Beane thought it was Joey
Walt just said his name really quickly and under his breath every time they talked.
by wishfuldrifter on Feb 1, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm really enjoying this whole having a competent GM thing
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
On the other hand
He’s doing exactly what I’ve been saying he’d do . . . stockpiling crappy utility Cardinals and ex-Cubs.
by Brian B on Feb 1, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a fan of his affinity for ex-Cards, to be sure
But I’m having a really hard time finding anything wrong with this move.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Aaron Miels is so awesoem
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 1, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
well done, sir
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Green'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
What a great start to my day!
I’m off to make 8 dollars with the possibility of 30 more in a Kellogg Business School study. What a great day.
Now that these two are gone
I now love every player on our roster, which I have never said before about any team in the 20 years I’ve been following them..
"Live every week like it's shark week. And dress everyday like you're gonna get murdered in those clothes." - Tracey Jordan
by RedinWrigleyville on Feb 1, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions
I could do without Arroyo
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
nope, don't agree on that one jch
if you could get a better pitcher, yeah. I don’t see one yet.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I'm just chumming the waters
I don’t particularly mind Arroy, I just think he’s overpaid.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well, crap
according to my boss, I am overpaid.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I'm not his boss, just a biased observer
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
my boss says
the same thing about Arroyo
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Arroyo says the same thing about me
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Bronson is pretty quick
sometimes he’s a little on the erratic side.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Arroyo is gone in July if we dont contend
even if he do contend i think this is his last year here, same with Harang
one more year Brett Favre!
I don't know
if nothing else if both have stellar seasons the Reds may pick up their options so they can trade them. But it will sadden me the day when the old Hoss leaves Cincinnati. So many good memories of him.
Well, even the Faytards
like this deal. Look out for falling sky.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
WTF are we supposed to do with all these leftover batting gloves?
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 1, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
ahem...
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Feb 1, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and the eggs?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
damn,
this is a first. I couldn’t think of anyone, so I looked at the 40-man, and still couldn’t find someone I’d legitimately like to throw an egg at. The only person I could think of is Mike Lincoln, but with what he went through last year I couldn’t do it.
This is the first time I’ve been at least ambivalent about everyone on the roster.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
There's always Dusty...
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The team got worse today...
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
They're always right.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
No one EVER listens to your sources
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
This made my day... week... year so far.
My usual pre-season optimism just increased exponentially!
"Forehead by Party Brendamour’s"
Rotowire just posted that there's a PTBNL coming from Oakland, too!
More in a moment…
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
I bet they just take the cash
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
but btcoop71 already revealed what's in the mystery box
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
holy hell
They must have really wanted Rosie.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I wonder how Dusty feels about it
I was kind of counting on him giving Willy enough at bats to keep Stubbs off kilter.
Dusty probably has kicked 3 kittens since he heard the news
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Taveras lost his job last season and didn't sit in the dugout when he was hurt
Plenty of evidence that Dusty was as done with him as we were
Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that Willy T has already been DFA'ed!!!
And we have a PTBNL coming our way!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/index
Oakland obtained Rosales and outfielder Willy Tavares from the Reds for Aaron Miles and a player to be named, but the team doesn’t plan to hang onto Tavares, according to major-league sources. Tavares is making $4 million, and the team already has a full complement of outfielders, including Gross.
UPDATE: The team has just announced that Tavares has been designated for assignment.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles!
"Joe is baseball in Cincinnati...We can lose players, managers and coaches, but we can't afford to lose Joe Nuxhall." - Sparky Anderson
by boohiss on Feb 1, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
my hands have been shaking since i read the news
only now have i gained the composure to type. and…the words…i have no words…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 1, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions
Wrong, I know
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
HAHAHAHA! Awful, but rec'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
There are aliens in from space and the aliens from ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
outsourced, apparently.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Feb 1, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is the first one Princess Leah?
I’m really bad at being a nerd.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
That's Jodie Foster from Contact
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Some celestial event. No - no words. No words to describe it. Poetry! They should've sent a poet. So beautiful. So beautiful... I had no idea.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I got that one. I've seen Contact.
But what’s the second one? Is that Michael J. Fox?
by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
We will not speak of such things
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Daisy, Daisy
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, you muthas made me do it.
I still fall on the floor with this one.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Oakland just designated for assignment LHP Dana Eveland.
If he clears, might he be the PTBNL? He at one time was a fairly highly regarded prospect in the Brewers organization, but hasn’t lived up to expectations. He also pitched in the Diamondbacks organization, so maybe Bryan Price pushed for him.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
good work Turtle!
way to be on the ball!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
why won't they just send him over then?
Why would a PTBNL be someone that’s DFA’s?
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Although perhaps it buys time to free up a roster spot.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
A PTBNL can't be on the major league roster.
If Eveland clears waivers, he can be outrighted to the minors, then dealt as a PTBNL. I’m not sure Eveland will clear, though. I can see him being claimed by a team needing a LHSP.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 2, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I know so if we wanted Eveland
Why won’t we just trade Taveras + Rosales for Miles and Eveland?
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 2, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Eveland would taken up a roster spot in that situation
If he clears waivers and comes over as PTBNL, he’s not on the 40-man
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 2, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Wait...wasn't Mark Lewis the PTBNL in the trade that got us David Wells from Detroit in 1995?
July 31, 1995: Traded by the Detroit Tigers to the Cincinnati Reds for a player to be named later, Dave Tuttle (minors) and C.J. Nitkowski. The Cincinnati Reds sent Mark Lewis (November 16, 1995) to the Detroit Tigers to complete the trade.
This trade struck me as especially odd, since Lewis hit the only pinch-hit grand slam in playoff history in the playoff game that Wells won for us…when Lewis was actually traded for Wells.
Also of note: We acquired Mark Lewis in a trade for Tim Costo, who never played again in the majors once we traded him. So we transitively traded Tim Costo for David Wells in his prime. Tasty!
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
The only playoff game I've ever been to was the Mark Lewis grand slam game.
Riverfront was a circus. There must have been 100-150 Japanese media types crowded on the first-base side of the blue seats all taking photos of Nomo.
I was sitting about three rows from the top in the red seats about 15 feet down the third base line.
That was an amazing, amazing night.
Also, Ron Gant was a monster that night. God, I just want those kind of days to return.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Come to think of it, crolfer was still in his pupa stage.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he was potty-training age.
And successful, to his credit.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Eh, more or less.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was there, too.
It was the first ticket of the year I had purchased, as I refused to pay for a ticket for a full year after the strike. Fuck those greedy cockmasters, Larkin included.
That night was amazing. I had yellow loge seats in the third row in RF. Padded seats, no lines, a TV monitor within view, and REALLY close beer stand, concession stand, and men’s bathroom. And we killed the Dodgers, absolutely killed them. It was perfect.
It was also the last time we won a playoff game.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Weird
If the A’s wanted Rosales because he’s a cheap utility man who can play SS…it doesn’t seem like this was a smart deal. He wasn’t very cheap, given WillyT’s salary. And, um, have they seen him play SS?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Don't say this to the Beaners
They are all behind Billy, just marveling at his wheeling and dealing genius. They are thinking the extra cash they’re paying out is worth it for Adam Rosales. It’s pretty funny.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
not me
I have no idea what he’s thinking.
I was thrilled to see we got rid of Taveras… but he went right to my other team! Ugh!!!
I can’t handle Reds-A’s trades!
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
remember
Rosales has always hit all the way through the minors (career OPS of .863). his glove wont stick at SS, but it would not completely surprise me if he turned out to be a league-average 2B for a few seasons. sure, he sucked pretty hard in the bigs last year, and that may very well be all he ever does in the bigs, but his minor league track record still leads me to believe he could be something more than just a RR whipping boy.
all that said, i am dizzy with joy at being rid of Taveras. Rosales is an easy price to pay.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
but according the various talking heads
The A’s aren’t looking for a league average 2B. They’re looking for a cheap utility guy who can play SS.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
/shrug
frankly my dear, i dont give a damn.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 1, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Now that Tavares has been DFA'd
Do you think the Reds will try and sign him?
NO!
Don’t taint this beautiful moment.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Please don't use beautiful
and taint in the same sentence.
If it wasn't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college!
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Feb 1, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Barf!
fail.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Don't make me flag you!
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just waiting for the Jays to be a part of this...
and find out Roenicke is going to the A’s to complete the deal.
This trade really does seem as one-sided as the Rolen deal was for the Jays. Something’s got to give, or I’m going to find whatever “energy drink” Billy Beane drank to think this was a good idea for them.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions
Wow, there are a lot of really dumb comments over there.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
What do you expect?
They ARE Cubs fans….
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
There are Cubs fans?
I thought they were beer drinkers who’s favorite color was blue.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Jim Hendry doesn't even think Jim Hendry is awesome.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bleed Cubbie Bleed is alive!
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cubbies fans all think ...
… when everything else is burning in Uncle Wrigley’s Cabbage Patch, that it’s OK to remind other people that Dusty “ruined” their (choke, hack, gag) team. As one of our adroit posters is free to reprise …
you keep fucking that chicken, Chicago.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 1, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
And a 6-pack of Icehouse to you, sir!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Here, here
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
again, well done, sir
you are on fire today
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I will always love you.
If it wasn't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college!
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Feb 1, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Same folks who probably are thrilled
the Cubs signed Kevin Millar today.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 1, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, I saw that. And laughed.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I want to give everyone at this site a big hug
If I had to read that kind of witless garbage day in and day out, I would put my dad’s 1961 Ferrari California GT up on a jack, climb in, gun the accelerator, start rocking back and forth, then go speeding though the glass window of my second story garage and down into the wooded crevasse below.
You guys are the best.
bueller'd
/feels awkward at ’nukkah’s sudden display of affection
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
It's like that time daddy stopped drinking!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is your hot tub a time machine?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Shut up, you.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
i think that actually looks like a funny movie
ridiculous name and concept for sure, but it could be funny
I think so too
I really dig movies that have no self-perceived seriousness. My movie of the year was Zombieland for this reason.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes, but there were no time machines in Zombieland were there?
I’m willing to accept the undead way before a time machine.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
A DeLorean? Why yes, of course. At least it has an engine and moveable parts and a Flux Capacitor. But a hot tob? Pshaw!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know whom to pin it on, but Soul Plane is a helluva nickname!
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Nah
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
agreed, and I have no idea why
Except that I think Brandon’s in need of a good nickname.
by the finest muffins on Feb 2, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Racist?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think we'll need a poll to settle this.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, that's a rec.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 2, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
it's weird to see old guys when they were young
but seriously, is this a joke? did he really play for a team called the beavers?
Yes
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pole—001ric
The Portland Beavers play in the PCL. When Pole was there they were the AAA team for Pittsburgh, now they’re the same for San Diego. In between they served at least a couple of other franchises.
by ken on Feb 7, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
here’s a real soul brother!
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Good lord.
/dumbest idea ever
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 2, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Especially
when you’re in the World Series with the Boston Red Sox when they win for the first time in a Brazillion years. It’s not like a bad yearbook photo that hardly anyone will see or remember. This ridiculous look gets to be immortalized.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
i think they are still chafed by Miles
and thus think the Reds are the big losers. i wouldnt expect them to understand any of the other players involved.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 1, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's exactly what the Cubs fan in my office is thinking
He finds this deal bad for the Reds, unless they DFA Miles
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
That guy is a moron
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I have a Todd Frazier jersey with your name on it
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Stubbs is now at the top of the list
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
But Stubbs doesn't wear his socks high!
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I can't recall
just what pissed off the Cubs fans so much about Miles. It doesn’t matter but I read through the Cubbie Blue thread a little and what strikes me as bewildering is that they insist Dusty did all the work on this and that they are sure he will do everything possible to screw it up.
Now we as Reds fans can attest to our disapproval of Dusty’s lineups, but I get the sense from the Cubs readers that they actually believe him to be evil.
Sad when that’s all you have to go on about baseball.
“Hi, I’m Roy Hobbs, your new right fielder.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
You know,
The more I think about this the more perfect it becomes.
Who better than Beane, the most ardent of OBP proponents, to DFA Taveras, it’s most deficient adherent.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
This might've been mentioned elsehwhere, but
apparently the 2011 option on Cabrera’s deal is mutual.
So there’s more good news, however small.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I've never understood the point of a mutual option
Also, I wonder if the buyout still applies if Cabrera but not the team declines.
by ken on Feb 1, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I just realized something
The Reds aren’t saving $1.3 mil by going from $4 mil Taveras to $2.7 mil Miles…..They’re saving $2.3 mil on the deal. When the Cubs sent him to the As, they ate $1 million. So that should be the Reds only owe $1.7 million to Miles, correct?
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
But is that $1M being passed along to the Reds?
I would think that the A’s keep that and the Reds are on the hook for the $2.7M outlay on Miles for 2010.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
honest question
who gives a fuck?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rectum!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I confront that question
every time I post a comment.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
well it is a fair question
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Holy shit!
Sorry, I just got excited again.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Feb 1, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions
I haven't been this happy about addition by subtraction since 5/1/2009
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
wooooo
i’m going to miss Adam but trading Taveras makes everything ok.
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Feb 1, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions
Dunn's been gone for a while
still miss him?
Reds fan for 40 years!
Reds rule
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Jon Miller
wins Ford Frick award….just saw ESPNEWS crawl
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
I can't argue with this, but I'm still a little upset.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
If we can be serious
well, silly me, of course we can.
A year ago, the notion that Willy could lead off, steal 100 bases and give the Redlegs a spot in the anals of history … now just a year later, the guy will have to decide if he plays at Tucson or Birmingham.
If I was T. Virus, I’d open a pimp service or something a little more predictable.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i think willy has secured his spot in the anals of history
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
by boobs on Feb 1, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Any butthole joke gets a rec from me.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
IF ONLY!
/amirightfellas?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Gently/d
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Dusty
would not like you talking that way about his daughter.
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
remember when
I said if Willy T stole 100 bases I would eat my own dog’s shit?
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 1, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
never do this
No matter how unlikely the concept, never do that, Dave.
Dave?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I guess only the Reds will be acquiring miles today, then
by Brendanukkah on Feb 1, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Funny, on the A's blog, they're just as happy to be rid of Miles as we are to be rid of Taveras
I don’t think they quite understand what they’re giving up to get Rosales, or who exactly Rosales is, or that the financial ramifications don’t favor them.
Hey, they're getting the league leader
in WSHF (Walk Speed from Home to First)!
If it wasn't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college!
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Feb 1, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, from their perspective
they traded Miles for Rosales. If I was an A’s fan and didn’t care about the money, I’d be pretty happy about that too I think. Rosie will almost certainly be better over the next couple of years than Miles will.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Feb 1, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cubs fan here
Having witnessed the horrific play of Aaron Miles, it is nothing to get too excited over. If Dusty decides not to play him, then it is a win for yall; however, if he plays regularly then Reds and Cubs fans will eventually share their hatred for his play
Start Sean Marshall!!
Thankfully we've got starters at all infield positions, so having a below replacement level spot starter is fine.
The Virus, on the other hand, was always a threat to be penciled in at the leadoff spot.
RR: Proud home of the most mods in SBNation.
if you look at it from our angle,
we got a bench utility player with a solid lifetime slash line in exchange for a guy who can’t get on base who plays 1 position
Sonny my pitched my wild
Not to mention a spaz that was always a threat to play somewhere in the infield if
someone went down.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
but at least rosales was young, cheap, and showed promise at AAA.
i was a fan regardless of my thoughts on him never amounting to much in the bigs.
Sonny my pitched my wild
I have nothing personally against Rosie, but his defense drove me nuts.
And the thought of him and OCab on the same side of the infield scared me. Especially when Janish is there, but Dusty refusing to use soft J
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone's excited about Aaron Miles, per se
We’re just dancing in the streets over the subtraction of Taveras (and, for some of us, Rosales) and the fact that the Reds aren’t on the hook for the full $4 million. Thanks for the warning, but no Cubs fan’s gonna rain on my parade today.
by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hah well y'all better DFA Miles then
that would be the best case scenario for yall
Start Sean Marshall!!
It's a distinct possibility
Though Jocketty’s remarks suggest otherwise.
The PTBNL or cash should make it so that the move is basically becomes a trade of Rosales for $1.3M + (cash or an inconsequential minor leaguer). That’s mpressive.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Right
It has nothing to do with Miles. Retrieving $1.3MM from a sunk cost is a pretty swell achievment, especially if you view Miles and Rosales as essentially interchangeable replacement-level infielders.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
We’d be just as happy if Taveras was simply released, and we had to eat his salary. Getting someone to help pay his salary is gravy.
I guess Miles will get a chance to compete for a roster spot, but I think we have better options for utility guys.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Sutton, Cairo, Burke and who else?
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
well, Janish now
How many backup infielders do we need?
by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming 12 pitchers, 5 OF, 4 starting IF and 2 Cs
There’s two spots open for back-up IF. You’d have to think one would go to Janish, unless he’s traded. The remaining should put Miles against Sutton, Cairo and Burke. I think I’d prefer to have Sutton.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
12 pitchers is so stupid
I know everyone does it, but, dear lord, it’s not wise.
Jocketty threw the Rosie out with the bathwater
Taveras had to go, but why Rosales! I’ll learn to love again, it may take a week or two.
You're the best, Poodle
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
apparently
The A’s love Rosie as much as you do. They didn’t want Taveras. They took him to get Rosie. Now that’s devotion!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
yup
Though I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in a Sacramento Rivercats uniform instead. ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I know a lot of young fans will miss him in Cincinnati
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Calendar
I found it humerous that on the stadium give away calendar the Reds handed out last April, Taveras was the featured player for February. Turn the calendar to February 1 and he is traded in DFA within the first few hours of the month.
by Indy. on Feb 1, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
That is awesome.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
If the Reds are out of it
let’s hope Dusty is Mr. July.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Feb 1, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Boom! Rec'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
well, you gotta get Hanley somehow
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Offseason evaluation
Hernandez signing – Given the catching market, B
Chapman signing – A
Gomes non-tender – B-minus (looking better as maybe Jocketty knew the market better than we did)
Cabrera signing – C
Taveras trade – A+ (though only if you completely divorce it from the initial mistake of singing Taveras, which was Jocketty’s)
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Would you have accepted
“nothing”?
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
He just kept shouting “fucking yes! fucking yes! fucking yes!”
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Feb 1, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
God, I love The Onion
And that’s one of my favorites
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
no sailor kissing in times square from you?
I’m shocked.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Feb 1, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this thread has gotten pretty long
so forgive me if it was mentioned, but Miles is listed as S on his batting. That alone would suggest he has a hair more versatility than somebody who only bats R, I think.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 1, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
slightly better as a righty than a lefty historically
so does this mean CDick is the lefty off the bench?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Sutton bats switch as well, right?
Give me Sutton over Miles, but who cares as long as Taveras (plus his salary!) is gone.
Since this thread is getting large...
There’s a new one up! Miles, Taveras, Rosales, and PBTNL talk can take place there.
If there's one thing that remains true
it’s that the article linked to earlier regarding the new market inefficiency might be in older players is definitely true with SABR oriented fan sites. If you’re older than 30, don’t even apply for a gig on the Reds
especially if you were barely average when you were below 30
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
also, I'm cool with Harang, Arroyo, Rhodes, CoCo, and Ramon
Look at the players we don’t like. It’s middle infielders, guys who’s value comes mainly from speed. That just doesn’t age well.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
average has no value?
A team of average players would finish 81-81, i.e. something the Reds can’t do
pretty crappy theory too
since it depends on how one describes “average.” But, when I’m gunslinging, I gots no time for that
right, but the point is, if they were average at age 28, they are highly unlikely to still be so at age 34
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
right
But WAR for 2010 is still a win. If the win is worth x amount and said player provides a win for less x amount, then in that season he’s valuable. Obviously, you agree with that. And, the problem with old dudes is that they are [generally] not at league minimum and they represent a vanishing future value, but, if you can sign Bobby Abreu for 5 million and drops 10 million worth of value, then he’s helped you.
I guess the unspoken calculus is whether the GM is dumb to sign him to a multi-year deal, where his final year(s) completely outweigh his value (like Lark’s last contract back in the day). if you avoid giving Abreu 19 million, then the 5 million was a fantastic value to your team?
Yes. Good GMing.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 2, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
One Ocho
“I’m going to do everything I can, even if I have to change my name to one Ocho,” Cabrera said, referring to Bengals receiver Chad Ochocinco.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Taveras prediction
Athletics can’t trade him……after he clears waivers, he signs with the Kansas City Royals.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
I doubt they're interested
Only because, you have to think that as soon as the season ended, Walt called Dayton Moore and offered him Taveras for whatever he wanted because he knew that it was the only team that would willingly bring him on board. If they didn’t want him then, why would they want him now.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
because now he's free
Or nearly so.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Assuming he clears waivers
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
cesar did say
“after he clears waivers.”
And honestly…do you think anyone is going to claim him? They’d have to pay his entire salary.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, a laugh is a laugh
Taveras has played big league ball and he can catch one. He can’t hit very well but he apparently does know how to steal second base. Now, not sure what any of this means to a ballclub, but …
if you are in a tough spot, need an outfielder, look to your farm club and see …. um … nothing, you might just be inclined to start the conversation …
What about Willy?
Sometimes, guys who get into the system can tend to stay in it just for that reason.
As for his salary, nothing was ever not negotiable if you are looking for work.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
oh, yes it was
Remember A-Rod? He was willing to take a pay cut to get out of Texas. The players’ union wouldn’t allow it. You are not allowed to take a pay cut.
In any case, why would Willy offer one? He can just clear waivers, and then sign with anyone he wants (if they’ll have him).
His money is guaranteed. He doesn’t care who pays it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I have no idea
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I think
ARod looking for work with somebody else is not quite the same as WillyTvirus looking for work
period
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
wrong
It’s the same. That’s kind of the point of a union. If the union won’t let the highest paid player in the league to take a voluntary paycut, they won’t let Willy take one, either.
And there’s no reason on god’s green earth for Willy to offer one.
The A’s have to pay him, no matter what. (Unless they can get another team to assume his contract, as the Reds did when they dumped him on the A’s.) If he clears waivers, he can go home and sit on his butt all year, and still collect $4 million dollars from the A’s.
If he doesn’t want to sit at home, he can sign with any team he wants. They will pay him minimum wage, and the A’s will pay the rest of the $4 million.
Because of the way that works, any team that wants to sign him has no incentive to offer more than minimum wage, and he has no incentive to offer a pay cut (which he can’t, even if he wanted to).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
whoa, easy
I get it.
I am not advocating WIlly go groveling at the trough of life to earn a paycheck. I was enjoying the moment.
All I said was that somebody will eventually sign Willy to a contract, which disputed the notion that nobody would.
As to how he gets paid, I just hope it’s not in afghanis.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I have no doubt Willy will be signed by someone
If only a minor league deal. (Unless he pitches a fit, like Kelly Stinnett did.) But he’s not going to take a pay cut. And I would bet it’s not going to be a straight waiver claim, either. If any team was willing to assume his salary, the Reds would have traded him there.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, we are speculating
I have seen or read almost nothing about the man’s character, intent or personal perspectives. In a sense, that’s kind of sad.
Not the point of this thread, though.
If he just likes to play ball, he might sign with somebody, the money being only what it’s worth.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I'm not talking about his character
The point is that any team that claims him off waivers has to pay his full salary. And no team is going to do that. That was my point. Not that he’s a bad guy, or that no team would want him.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
agreed
I yield to the inefficiency of the Internet to effectively communicate a thought.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
How much of that $4 million dollars can he take out of an ATM machine at a time? :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
The Blue Chip
Casino in Michigan City, Indiana, lets you take out $500 in one session, which I presume is from Point A to Point B.
All other transactions must be approved by the Commissioner’s office.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Lucky for me
When I go to the Blue Chip, the person who plays the moron role well is
…. not Bud Selig.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Ahh the Blue Chip
The casino with the least annoying billboard on I-80
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
you Illinois folks
Don’t get the extra joy of smelling all that cigarette smoke.
Blue Chip … smoke em if ya got em.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I've been told this about Michigan City:
Go to the outlet mall. Do not do anything else. Do not spend more time than is needed to go to the outlet mall.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
outlet mall
Nice place on a warm day to watch … um … people. But if you have been told that about MC, you’d be missing out.
They have an awesome beach there at Washington Park.
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I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
You go to M.C.
I 80 won’t get you where you want to be. You need to go north on 12/20 and run through the national lakeshore.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Hey,
I’ve been to the outlet mall in Michigan City! Isn’t that right near the Indiana dunes? Those are worth seeing.
by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
yep, the national lakeshore
Climb old Mount Baldy and you’ve seen the top of Mount Baldy. An awesome view of Lake Michigan.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
"Climb old Mount Baldy..."
Sounds naughty.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
it's a really big sand dune
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
It's lovely
It’s like a rustic little beach in the middle of the Midwest. If you turn one way, you can see lovely Chicago. If you turn another way, you can see a nuclear power plant.
by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
that's not nuclear
started out that way years ago and halfway through, they changed their mind. It’s conventional power plant.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I stand corrected.
Still a jarring sight from a national park.
by the finest muffins on Feb 1, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
lots of history there
All along the lakeshore, there are some really cool stories about the rich people who used to have summer cottages there in the summers. Think F Scott Fitzgerald types and times. That was not always a national park.
There were once houses on the lakeshore that were on rolling logs. When the water was up, they moved the houses. Lots of curious yarns if you want to follow them.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
hey!
I have nice memories from when I was ~6 in Michigan City. Nonesuch memories for basinos
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
maybe he's already spent it
On emu farm or something.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
he wouldn't be the first
to be a millionaire and broke.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
it was a (lame) joke
referring to Corey Patterson. He used the millions the Reds gave him to buy a farm, with cattle, emus, and a giraffe.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Corey Patterson
was all you had to say if you had a lame joke in mind. Some of us here in places on the outskirts of noplace are fuzzilated.
There is a llama farm up north of here right near the Toll Road, though. Daily Llamas.
No giraffes, though.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
The Dali Lama
My preferred spiritual leader.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Walt was just sayin'
… if you can find strong armed lefthanders in Andorra, no telling what might be out there if you go scout the Tibetan monks.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Are you sure you aren't Madville
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 1, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
your web site is really interesting
Who owns all that land now? Did people just abandon it, or sell it to developers, or what?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I am puzzled
at the question, I suppose. I didn’t mean to offend anyone by posting here.
Bubba — write me off the board if you want to know more.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I disagree
I think the bigger problem was that the best player in the game was going to take a pay cut, not some craptastic throw-away player. If ARod takes a paycut, it lowers the ceiling for all other salaries in baseball, which has a very detrimental effect on everyone in the union. If Taveras takes a pay cut, it won’t alter the pay structure in baseball at all.
Now, the rest of your post is true – the situation is completely different from ARod’s, and there’s absolutely no reason for Taveras to offer to give back money to be traded.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Feb 1, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the key issue
is that they see it as a bad precedent. Sure, they’re worried about the ceiling.
But they’re also worried about rank and file players who might feel a lot of pressure to accept a lower salary just to stay in the big leagues. A-Rod is never going to feel that kind of pressure.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
on the salaries
I smell a different fish this winter anyhow and even Walt doesn’t deny it …. they waited for the market to drop before they moved. So it’s clear that the owners are working their own form of magic.
Not sure if we can run this up the flagpole as a new form of collusion, but it was clearly a buyer’s market this year.
After Matt Holliday (It’s a Wonderful Life) that is.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I agree
But I think it’s the bad economy, not the owners suddenly getting a clue or colluding.
They simply don’t have the money. Even the Yankees had to cut ticket prices (and payroll).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
that's true
But they also cut the price of the cheap seats. (From $12 to $5).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, that
A lot of it is image.
Owners have tried to find a way to get to this point on their own. They had help.
How that translates to me is pretty raw math. The price of stuff I want from the Reds will not be discounted so I won’t be buying any of it.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
their own form of magic is called collusion (by the MLBPA anyway), and it's about damned time
It kills me that the sports unions don’t think they should have a market adjustment due to the economy.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
yabbit
How much do we pay the Polish guy?
Chico Ptnbl?
Got Miles and Ptnbl in a trade, right?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Waitaminnit
Miles is Polish?
I’m off to Google to build a repertoire of Pollock jokes should he ever fail in a late inning situation.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Miles ain't Polish
Ptbnl is
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Until the Germans claim him on waivers, of course
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yeah, we owe them
for bombing Pearl Harbor and all.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 1, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
hahaha, that's a rec
We have to get you & Mads together for a BBQ tour stop this year.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
not sure what that includes
but all y’all are welcome to join me at a RailCats game … jump on in, we have a gas.
The first person who says, “ewwww, Gary …” this is a really great ballpark.
And the classic definition of small-ball, executed to perfection (usually, sometimes)
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I'll say ewwwww Gary
but that park is really, really nice. I drove past it on Saturday and wanted it to be spring in the worst way.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
~25 degrees here. But I’m excited for a Taveras-less spring training
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
What if I say, "ewwww, Gray..."?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
if you say ewww, Gray
I get to say, oh Grady?
Then we cook it and eat it.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
(insert sizemore coffee cup picture here)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yeah, once he clears waivers he can sign with anyone.
And that team only picks up the league minimum salary with OAK paying the rest. No way someone claims him before he gets $3.3M cheaper.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I am now scared of the Reds
And I’m not even a fan of a different NL Central team. No, I’m afraid because I think that your GM is going to perform a mind meld on Bud Selig, who will allow Cincinnati to play in the craptabulous AL Central where they will win 115 games behind the stellar pitching of Super-Saiyan Aroldis Chapman and the reanimated corpse of Walter Johnson. This scenario seems plausible, because I’m pretty sure that Walt Jocketty is a f*cking sorcerer.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
I'm kind of in the same boat
Billy Beane just HAS to know something about Adam Rosales the rest of the world doesn’t. Otherwise, he just got Jedi Mind Tricked.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
yeah, you know, I was thinking about this, and really it's not SO bad for Beane
Sure, he overpaid for Rosie (this year) but he also has at least 3 or 4 more years of control of him, and like someone else said, Rosie was a very good hitter in the minors.
Plus, he’ll probably be able to keep Taveras in the minors as an insurance policy.
He definitely overpaid, but not by that much. The real coup is getting rid of Taveras at all, and only having to chuck in a player that is extremely dispensable for this particular organization.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
True enough.
Part of the value of this trade is in getting rid of a player that Dusty would start at the expense of better options.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Feb 1, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, two players.
Dusty loved him some Rosie, too.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 1, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
almost took the bait. Not going there….:)
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Feb 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Beane's value add, then
is a willingness to ignore sunk costs.
The A’s fanbase is thrilled he dumped Taveras. Most teams’ GM would take it in the teeth from the press and fans if they traded for someone and dropped him immediately.
Gray must be proud.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Gray is never proud
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
the more I think about this
This is the most absurd baseball transaction of all time.
Seriously, this makes no sense to anybody outside the washroom at 5th and Biloxi.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I lived in Biloxi for 4 months
Good times, except for the hurricane.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I recommend not going there during a hurricane
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 1, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the advice, 14.5 years too late
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well, frame of reference
I avoid hurricanes.
It has made a difference.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Pokey Reese situation was a weird one...
December 18, 2001: Traded by the Cincinnati Reds with Dennys Reyes to the Colorado Rockies for Luke Hudson and Gabe White.
December 19, 2001: Traded by the Colorado Rockies to the Boston Red Sox for Scott Hatteberg.
December 21, 2001: Granted Free Agency.
January 30, 2002: Signed as a Free Agent with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Yep, we old.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 2, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Gookie Dawkins is still, kinda, playing somewhere however
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
well said. Acquiring a major league ready player like Rosales liek this
should be thought like a draft bonus. He gave up something he didn’t want for 1.8 million and four years of control. It is not a bad deal.
I know this about Walt
He is big on asterisks.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I really feel like we should have a photo montage going...
With that one section from the Kelly Clarkson song going where it’s like “Since you been gone, I can breathe for the first time”, except that we’ll be using the cover by A Day To Remember to make it less… Kelly Clarksonish…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Kelly Clarkson actually is pretty talented.
So…. I don’t know why it’s distasteful to make it about her than about someone who did a Kelly Clarkson cover. Yeah, I’m sure it was totally ironic.
IAN! I'm on traain!
I stand by my girl Kelly
Metal Skool are a bunch of mooks, but I enjoyed her ability to get up there and cut loose with them.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I can't support any American Idol winner...
It just goes against my beliefs.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Maybe I'm elitist
but I can’t support someone who has such gems as “I Do Not Hook Up” and “My Life Would Suck Without You” for song titles.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Same
I can’t support someone who has “I Do Not Hook Up” as a song title either. But for different reasons.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I searched on google
and the top AutoFinish answers were all “my life would such without you” quotes, lyrics, tabs, etc.
Good to see she draws the “academic” crowd.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
which reminds me
autofinish is a whole lot of fun.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I'm not a big fan either.
But it’s pretty much all the same to me. She wants to sing the way people talk. Other pop singers want to use overly cliched metaphors and trite sexual references. I don’t care.
Also, her winning American Idol is a lot less terrible than any of the way a lot of popular music is sold. She got to where she was because people voted for her (more or less, depending on whether you buy into American Idol conspiracy theories) – mostly because she can sing and people liked her. This is no worse, and a lot better, in my opinion, than the standard way we’re sold musicians, which has a lot more to do with their ability to generate news than anything else.
IAN! I'm on traain!
She's this generation's Pat Benatar
without the songwriting skills or exemplary bone structure.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
Pat Benatar
does have great bone structure. And Joan Jett is still looking really good these days. The winner, though, is Susanna Hoffs.
Does Slyde even know this happened?
Someone give me his number, I want to be the one to tell him!
Start SEEing motorcycles
He's at Reds fantasy camp
So yeah, I’m assuming he knows.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 2, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention that giving Excalib8 his number probably violates the EPO somehow
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
you've given your number to worse...
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
green'd?
really?
Glad I didn’t delete this. Almost did, it was making the thread load way too slowly on my work computer.
/ignores the fact that he should be working at work.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
ummm, there are 700+ posts in this thread
maybe that’s why its loading slow.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
That's a coincidence and irrelevant.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's gotta be a huge-ass file
An animated GIF that big?
It was making this page load really slow for me, too, so I killed it. All hail Ad-Block.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
302K......pshaw, that's nothing. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
wireless card
Not very broad, as broadband goes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
you all need an upgrade
Try this, it’s free.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I am not one to post gifs
but we traded Taveras….and got a human being with four limbs in return
by jacob brumfield on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
it's not that image that's the problem
that image is only 11 KB. It should load quickly.
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i assume she meant she had 1 (or so) new comment to read
so she click on the thread. the thread is enormous, so it took a long time to load. she felt like it wasn’t worth her time when the one comment she had to read was that picture.
yeah, I realized that after I left the thread
I thought about coming back and writing such, but who has time to wait for this thread to load?
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by Slyde on Feb 9, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
boy, we all miss Slyde something fierce, eh?
i think we’ve green’d a half dozen of his comments since he’s been back.
oh, and welcome back pal. that thing on the back porch is all ’credsfan’s fault.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 9, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
giggidy
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
yes, I'm a little surprised because I haven't tried to be humorous yet
I’ve been totally serious, but people keep laughing at me. What’s wrong with you people???
(BTW, I crossed over the 1000 rec line last night. Only 700 behind ’nukkah!)
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yeah i hit 500 earlier this month
it’s like chasing 4256!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 10, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
So how long until Slyde bans Brendan for betting on recap comments?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Feb 10, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all about some Orson Welles
’specially when his determined applause so fits this thread.
RR: Proud home of the most mods in SBNation.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Feb 3, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was Simon Pegg
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm curious about the PTBNL.
It’s pretty much got to be Dana Eveland, a late 2009 draft signing, or a cash deal, right?
Can someone tell me what other reasons are there for not naming a player?
IAN! I'm on traain!
occasionally the other team will give the receiving team a list of choices, and the receiving team wants to check them out first
but given the circumstances, I’d say there’s a 99% chance it’s either Eveland or cash.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Also sometimes the receiving team will be given time to make their selection.
IIRC, that PTBNL might not even need to be selected until May or so.
"I'm going to be sore, no doubt about that." - Slyde
A PTBNL must be determined within six months of the trade.
Usually, the acquiring club selects from a list of three or four players agreed to by both teams. Sometimes, the teams just wait until a specified player clears waivers and make him part of the deal. A player can’t be traded without his permission until one year after his signing date, so it could be a player from the 2009 draft. Sometimes, as you noted, the team just accepts cash. Sometimes it’s deemed as “future considerations,” meaning when in June both my AA catchers are hurt and you have three, so you send me one and help us out.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Guess it could be
Gregorio Petit, also. The A’s just designated him as well.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
So now we've got a senoir citizen to play short stop, senior citizen at 3b
a broke down old catcher
our former Ace starter is acting all over the hill
We got no LF guy
The CF guy is basically a rookie
the RF guy needs to show up in 2010
At leasst we are cover at 1b and 2nd base.
I’m pumped by this acquisition!
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Don't forget, Mads...
We have Ramon Hernandez at catcher too!
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Cordero and Rhodes are good for 2.0 ERA seasons
Perhaps everyone else will get better with age.
Start SEEing motorcycles
Huh?
“a broke down old catcher” = Hernia
Hanigan ain’t gonna get THAT much PT
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Ohhhhhh,,,I get it ...ha ha ha ...I get it...
AND speaking of jokes:
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Speaking of trades
I did a memory jog on some oldtime baseball from, well, my youth.
I was going to post it on RR but decided against that and put it on my own blog instead.
If you want to share my memories, here tis.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
well crap
http://johnu1.blogspot.com/2010/02/some-baseball-thoughts.html
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Feb 3, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great read!
Didn’t you have some rhyming content before? I still want to hear someone rap about Rosales.
Start SEEing motorcycles
Ha ha rhyming
Something about a man from Nantucket.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
you do not want me ...
… to do some of my famous limericks.
trust me. Just …. um … read the story about the 61 Reds and tell me what you think.
http://johnu1.blogspot.com/2010/02/some-baseball-thoughts.html
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
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