Reds V Cubs Position by Position
by justin007000 on Feb 1, 2010 1:16 AM EST
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It was stated on here that the Reds and Cubs have a similar talent level. So I just took a look at the Cubs and Reds depth chart listed at MLB.com, and I have these results.
#1 Starting Pitcher: Harang V Zombrano. It is Zombrano but both pitchers are in downward trends, I think they actually match up pretty evenly. Slight edge Cubs.
#2 Pitcher: Arroyo V Lilly (Volquez is actually the Reds #2 pitcher), I guess an edge for the Cubs. I feel more confident about what Lilly will do in 2010 than Arroyo. Edge Cubs
#4 Pitcher: Cueto V Dempster, this is difficult. Based on experience Demptser has it, but he may fall back to Earth and Cueto may take off. I'm giving the edge to the Cubs, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Dempster fall off and Cueto improve in 2010
#4 Pitcher : Bailey V Wells, This one I give to Baily. Wells did a heckuva job last year, but I do not believe what he did was sustainable.
#5 pitchers: Chapman, Lehr, Maloney (keep in mind Wood isn't listed because he isn't on the 40 man roster) V Gorzelanny, Samardzia, and Silva. This goes to the Reds. The Reds just have more talent to fill the 5th spot in the rotation than the Cubs. Bear in mind the Reds also have the likes of Owings and Lecure. Edge towards the Reds
Closer: Marmol v Cordero, Cordero gets it hands down. Marmol can be good, but he can let things get away in a hurry. I'll take Coco any day of the week over Marmol, not that I wouldn't mind Marmol setting up Coco. Edge towards the Reds.
I don't feel like listing the rest of the Cubs and Reds, bullpen, but the Reds have an advantage. There aren't too many question marks sitting in the Reds bullpen this season. So Reds edge
C Soto V Hanigan: Cubs, although who knows what the future holds for Soto.
1B: Votto V Lee: I give it to Votto, Lee is going to regress and Votto may continue to improve. So edge Reds.
2B: Phillips V Fontenot, Huge advantage for the Reds.
3B: Rolen V Ramirez: Advantage Cubs.
SS: Cabrera V Theriot: Toss up.
LF: Soriano V TBA: Cubs
CF: Byrd V Stubbs: This one is difficult, because Byrd may continue to regress, and Stubbs has a lot of learning to do. I'll give it to Byrd, but this is not a slam dunk.
RF: Bruce V Fukudome: Toss up, both have underperformed, and still have some things to figure out.
So by my count the Cubs 7 the Reds 5, but the Reds have more chances to improve while the Cubs may regress. It seems like the Reds are in an upswing with youth, while the Cubs are old an expensive. I'd rather be a Reds fan over the next 5 years than a Cubs fan.
If anybody else would like, perhaps we could do a position by position comparison between the Reds and their other division rivals.
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A Fayplacement
has posted a predicted lineup.
He thinks Rosales will make the cut, over Sutton, among other oddities.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Wilkin is also listed as a hopeful
I thought he was rehabbing the shoulder for a while?
by ken on Feb 1, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
I saw Wilkin play
game 8 of the Winter league finals. He went 0-4. I had forgotten he was coming off surgery but he looked ok to me.
The child destructor was 0-3 with a walk. He had a terrible series final batting on the interstate. He took a few pitches and did get the walk, but he is still swinging at almost everything.
Balentine was also 0-4 but he at least grounded in the tying run with one out in the bottom of the ninth.
Game nine featured Francisco Liriano who started for Escogido. Lirian pithced five shut out innings ang stuck out 10. The Gigantes’ pitcher, Victor Zambrano got chased in the second after giving up 3 runs, including a solo shot to Balentine. Pedro Viola came in for Zambrano and held the game close in three shut out innings. Escogido, however, went on to win the game and the series as Francisco never could get his bat alive and Nelson Cruz
You can find the boxscore for game nine here.
And here are the Escogido fans going nuts after the game 8 victory in eleven innings:
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Feb 1, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose it's possible he'll be back in time
I just don’t think it’s likely.
As Peter Abraham says, you have to double the amount of time the team or athlete tells you it will take to recover from an injury. The team tends to be overly optimistic.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Kinda wacky
6 Outfielders, including both Nix and Taveras. I can’t see how that’s defensible.
Both Bray and Lincoln in the ’pen and Rosales and Janish are the spare infielders.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Feb 1, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
in a somewhat related note,
i’ll give the reds the edge as far as prospects are concerned.
alonso, chapman, frazier, leake > castro, cashner, vitters, carpenter
Sonny my pitched my wild
Cubs fan
that just joined. Boy, I’m ready for baseball.
I think this is the most important aspect. Thr Redbirds are eight-ish games better than either Cinci or Chicago (just a hunch). It shouldn’t matter in 2019, but at some point, their horrible system will come into play. Milwaukee has no pitching on the way, and Houston is almost as bad as St Louis in the system. Pirates are okay, but alas, they’re the Pirates.
After the labor negotiations in 2011/2, it will probably be Chicago or Cinci for awhile.
I’m not sure which system is better, but for the first time in a long time, the Cubs have a glut of middle infielders. I’ll be interested if Alonso does take (well) to catching.
Ryan Flaherty
DJ Lemahieu, Logan Watkins, and a string of other guys that could hit it as well. The Cubs system has been barren for a long time. I’ll be the first to admit it. But a Junior Lake, Tonu Thomas, or a Nate Samson will probably get squeezed into another system due to lack of at bat opportunities.
No, they aren’t names on the Sickels Top 100, but middle infielders that can field and hit (and are age appropriate) can usually find new homes.
Also
I give Reds fans the edge over drunken idiot Cubs fans
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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
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I'm nothing if not self-effacing
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Interesting if true
Rather than spew out an endless line of cliches all quantifying the values of life, I’d say the Cubs window of opportunity is closing and the Reds window is wide open.
What that means is the Cubs need to reload. They’re done. Turn the oven off.
The Reds are on the ascendant slope now and need to cash in.
As for female fans hotness, reputation does wonders. Reality is much different.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i agree with the windows
Going into 2007 Hendry was on the hot seat. He fired Dusty, hired Lou, and his contract was in its final year. He spent a lot of money on aging veterans that bought him a couple of playoff appearances, but now they are getting old, but their contracts aren’t up and they were back loaded, so the Cubs can’t afford to sign help.
2010 Cubs=2006 Astros. Aging veterans with maybe one last year to contend, and little coming along in the pipe.
reds vs. cardinals
Maybe the same thing but I think our perceptions of the organizations tend to be a little different, or at least mine does. I just see the Cards as having much more savvy at finding pieces that truly fit.
The only thing that puzzles me about Birdland is that I can never get a true fix on whether they have good pitching, bad pitching or pitching that just needs most of the summer to get healthy.
Now, also in that mix is the Cubs one-time ability to conjure up the dough to contend. I don’t know in the short haul if they have that. The numbers would suggest they do.
But I’d be interested in seeing who you think St. Lousy is going to run out there.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
run it up the flagpole
and let us bicker about it.
Hey, the stove is hot. Toss another chunk of coal on the fire.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Yes, please
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I'd like to see it against every team in the NLC
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Perhaps this analysis could be included in the team previews that everyone writes before the season starts?
Those were petty popular. I think it’d be an interesting section.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Feb 2, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
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